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June 28, 2015, 01:57:21 AM
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Just realized another cool way to utilize SIA Storage, great place to back up all my wallet.dat files from BTC to Alts and SIA lol.

Talk about the ultimate in cold storage  Wink

However for the time being I will use just for back ups. Free up my flash and external drives a bit... plus those can get damaged, stolen or just fail.

The only way SIA could fail is if every host computer all turned their systems off at the same time. ( or a major bug in client, doubtful of that)  Smiley

Strength in numbers, we got to get more involved for storage as soon a we have a more perfected client for general users. Think about what we have here:

A working Client/wallet that can be mined and generate coins, coins that can be transferred as a payment method for storage or possibly for other things as a currency much like BTC and is ultra secure. A client that allows us to upload and store data at competitive prices. Soon that data can be shared with others and common users can choose to host and actually earn coins/money.... we have a very powerful tool here and best of all its here and working now! No easy feat.... It's the neatest thing since sliced bread lol in terms of crypto land.

I am uploading more files as we speak, well type  Wink

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June 28, 2015, 03:59:26 AM
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come join our slack!

trading, dev chat, etc

http://siatalk-slackin.herokuapp.com/

why is this address so different to the sia slack that i have? ...

i have not signed up through here - as im wary of any 'other' sites that point to it ...

explain why this is so please? ...

#crysx

Hey fair asking. Always better to not click unknown links. But, yes this is a "slackin" created by the dev team or on their behalf to enable new users to receive instant invites to the siatalk.slack

Maybe would be better to host it on siacoin.com..

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June 28, 2015, 05:00:13 AM
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Is there a period of time you have to wait after uploading a file before you can use shareascii with it?
Not sure but all of my files I can share code now some I uploaded a couple of hrs. ago. all have blocks remaining. Odd though one of my files when I click share says: cannot share inactive file" ? what's that all about lol

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June 28, 2015, 05:01:40 AM
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come join our slack!

trading, dev chat, etc

http://siatalk-slackin.herokuapp.com/

why is this address so different to the sia slack that i have? ...

i have not signed up through here - as im wary of any 'other' sites that point to it ...

explain why this is so please? ...

#crysx

Hey fair asking. Always better to not click unknown links. But, yes this is a "slackin" created by the dev team or on their behalf to enable new users to receive instant invites to the siatalk.slack

Maybe would be better to host it on siacoin.com..

Yes maybe it would be.....

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June 28, 2015, 07:59:14 AM
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I'm answering a lot of questions in this reply, and in whatever order they opened up in my browser in.

If someone stores child pornography on my PC,  am I fked?

Every file is encrypted. How do you know the content of a file?

On the first page Taek says:"Any file can get into storage. The clients will encrypt them first, but the network doesn't care. If you want to upload an unencrypted file (so it's available to the public), you will be able to do so. I'm not sure what you mean by "crappy" file, but it's just storage. If someone uploads a virus, it can't hurt your computer because the client doesn't open or read files, only stores them. If you try opening it with some program however, it might infect you."

So it is possible to upload stuff like rape/child porn/pirated music or movies unenrypted on my  hard drive...
I dont want  this shit on my PC.

As a host, you get the option to reject any contracts that you don't like. As it happens, unless you've got a hash of every piece of illegal or copywright-protected file on the Internet, there's not an automatic way to block objectionable content. Especially since the hash can be altered just by manipulating a small piece of the file, or even just encrypting it using a new password.

Dropbox, S3, Mega, etc. all have to deal with this same exact problem. It's impossible to guarantee that garbage will not be uploaded to your computer. The law understands this however. You are not responsible for files on your computer if you don't know what they are. If law enforcement says 'this file is illegal, remove it', then you have to remove it. But you are not in trouble as long as you comply with the takedown request within a reasonable timeframe.

All files are encrypted by default, and none of our recent releases have code that allows you to upload un-encrypted files. If someone decides to modify the code to remove encryption, there's not much we can do about it. But if this happens, it's easy enough for you to just delete the offending file.

I think all files should be encrypted, but the keys to public files readily available. Storers now have a reasonable defense.

This is how things currently operate. When you share a file, you share the encryption keys. We can't stop somebody from intentionally modifying our code to remove the encryption, but we can encrypt every file, even public files, by default.

Actually not. Storers are still distributing illegal stuff.
It is like seeding torrent.
I think even if you are seeding password protected .zip file with tons  of nasty things, you will be still fked by police.

The only solution comes on ym mind, is to obligatory split each file into 1024 or so encrypted parts, regardles of size.

That's not an easy thing to control. If an attacker modifies their node to never use encryption, there's not anyway I know of that would allow the network to detect and block that file.

how mine to remote wallet?

It's not currently possible, and isn't very high on the priority list compared to some other major features we need.


I am currently mining to a remote wallet, using the "redir" utility in Linux.  Redir lets you redirect a local TCP port to a remote TCP port.

On my mining machine, I'm doing as follows:

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redir --lport=9980 --caddr=192.168.1.131 --cport=9980 &
./sia-gpu-miner -C 50 -I 20

And it works, I already found a block.

You'll probably have to install redir, e.g. in Ubuntu with

Code:
sudo apt-get install redir


Please be careful with doing that. I'm not sure if you've got encryption on that connection, but it looks like someone could MITM you and start talking to your local api. If they can talk to your local api, they can ask the wallet to send them all of your coins.

We plan on password and encryption protecting the api in the next release. But those protections don't currently exist.


Just realized another cool way to utilize SIA Storage, great place to back up all my wallet.dat files from BTC to Alts and SIA lol.

Talk about the ultimate in cold storage  Wink

However for the time being I will use just for back ups. Free up my flash and external drives a bit... plus those can get damaged, stolen or just fail.

Though we have 8x redundancy on the current network, we don't really have a good way of measuring how reliable the average node is, or how safe the average file is. We don't know how the network will handle large amounts of stress, or if there are any significant bugs in the nodes that could cause major outages.

Basically: Sia is still very new, and it would be risky to trust Sia as the sole backup of very important files. The risk of course will decrease as Sia gets more usage, more testing, and more development.

Is there a period of time you have to wait after uploading a file before you can use shareascii with it?

Yes, with two reasons.

1. The renter won't let you share a file if there's less than 3x redundancy on it, which means it likely hasn't finished uploading.

2. There's a bug where sometimes a file will just stop uploading. We haven't taken the time to track it down. The good news about this bug is that you don't pay for a file until you finish uploading it. So if you run into a problem and need to delete-and-reupload your file, you're likely not paying very much because you didn't even hit 3x redundancy.

0.4.0 will have substantial improvements to the uploading process. We've chosen not to pursue the above bug because we'll be rewriting large portions of the upload process soon anyway, and the bug is not very severe. Additonally, storage right now is virtually free.


Hey fair asking. Always better to not click unknown links. But, yes this is a "slackin" created by the dev team or on their behalf to enable new users to receive instant invites to the siatalk.slack

Maybe would be better to host it on siacoin.com..


It's already on our todo list  Smiley

Is there a period of time you have to wait after uploading a file before you can use shareascii with it?
Not sure but all of my files I can share code now some I uploaded a couple of hrs. ago. all have blocks remaining. Odd though one of my files when I click share says: cannot share inactive file" ? what's that all about lol

I get:

Code:
Could not share file:

siac returns 0. Helpful. Tongue

That's bug  Tongue

Is 1.02 miner suitable for 0.3.3.3 wallet?

Yes


No matter what i do, my Antivirus software (Bit Defender 2015) keep block like very file in SIA folder. Even if I add exception for it, it still put it in quarantine or deletes...

I have two questions:
Can I earn SIAcoin by just offering my HDD space?

If someone stores child pornography on my PC,  am I fked?

1. Yes

2. You are not, because the law protects you against people who maliciously upload things without your knowledge or consent. As long as you promptly remove all illegal files that you are aware of, you are okay.

pallas, yes high hashrate on https://github.com/NebulousLabs/Sia-GPU-Miner
It`s fake?
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Yes fake. A compatibility fix for (apparently some versions of) Linux have been removed, thus the hashrate bug of the early releases is back.
have we got fix?

There are a handful of lines to cut and paste, I'd do it now if I weren't so relaxed on my couch :-)

quick fix: go back a few commits with "git checkout 6069500" :-)

Sorry about that it's my fault. I misunderstood what that code did. We'll update master but I don't know how close we are to releasing a new miner. I think, with luck, we can have a miner + mining pool inside of 2 weeks.

Everyone please keep in mind this is still all Beta... brand new technology with no well defined do's and don'ts, because there isn't any yet. None of us paid a dime for this software, we are here because it is new and cutting edge and for the purpose of helping the development process along with guys like Taek, nemo and others. Ya it gets frustrating... but we raised our hands and said yes we will play with it and test it all out and see where it goes. ok, I have to remind myself of this as well sometimes  Smiley

Lets keep our eye on the ball and get to the goal line.

Thanks for the reminder. We are trying our best to work out all the kinks as fast as possible, but creating fast, secure, private, and intuitive wallets is a tough challenge. I will take time and several iterations to get everything right. Unfortunately, some people are going to get cut by the sharp corners in the meantime.

Please do not use Sia with coins that you are not willing to risk, or with files that you are not willing to lose. Sia works well 95% of the time, which is not a high number at all. Please be careful.


Have you by chance checked the wallet.backup in your home directory? Strangely it never updates and remains a static copy upon the first instance of SIAD that opens with the UI wallet.

Depends on the version #. For 0.3.3.1 and 0.3.3.3, the backup wallet in the home directory never gets touched. It was used for a while in 0.3.3.2, unfortunately in a way that meant people lost coins (Including me!).

If you are on 0.3.3.2, you should shut down siad, create backups of all the wallets, and upgrade to 0.3.3.3. Don't upgrade while siad is running! And make sure you make those backups after you turn off siad.

Sorry it's not so easy to understand by reading the thread, is file sharing functionality already live?

You can share individual files, but there's not a way to bulk-share files, nor is there any server that's aggregating files. (...but there might be a platform released next week that lets you search for public files...)

Taek, can you elaborate on this statement?:

"There is a hard fork coming and you need to have upgraded before it happens. You will not lose coins as long as you avoid using a wallet that you already backed up."


Sorry for the miscommunication. You should keep all backups.

After you back up a wallet, if you use the wallet again, you will likely get new addresses and need to create another backup.

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I agree that more instructions should be included in the readme, or perhaps in a tutorial on the website. The learning curve for Sia is high right now. Please bear with us as we continue to improve things.

I am not sure when we will have a tutorial ready. Things are still changing very rapidly, and I fear that by the time a tutorial exists, it will already be wrong, incomplete, or otherwise out of date.
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June 28, 2015, 12:57:51 PM
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Network Hashrate goes UP rapidly  Shocked
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June 28, 2015, 04:28:38 PM
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Network Hashrate goes UP rapidly  Shocked

No kidding.

I've noticed on http://explore.siacoin.com/
the network hash for the last 25 blocks swings around like crazy going + or - 100-200ghs per 1 block added.

I wonder if this is normal since the value it is reporting is for the last 25 blocks (it's an average of 25 blocks!).. wouldn't that mean that in order for you to get a swing of 100-200gh/s the network would have to actually have increased/decreased tremendously within the time span of mining a single block?

Is that realistic? Or am I interpreting this wrong? (I know I very well could be).

P.S. It would be really nice if someone could compile the latest gpu miner for windows 64bit/zip it and post it for us windows people please Smiley
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Network Hashrate goes UP rapidly  Shocked

No kidding.

I've noticed on http://explore.siacoin.com/
the network hash for the last 25 blocks swings around like crazy going + or - 100-200ghs per 1 block added.

I wonder if this is normal since the value it is reporting is for the last 25 blocks (it's an average of 25 blocks!).. wouldn't that mean that in order for you to get a swing of 100-200gh/s the network would have to actually have increased/decreased tremendously within the time span of mining a single block?

Is that realistic? Or am I interpreting this wrong? (I know I very well could be).

P.S. It would be really nice if someone could compile the latest gpu miner for windows 64bit/zip it and post it for us windows people please Smiley

https://github.com/droghio/Sia-GPU-Miner/releases/tag/1.02j

I think you are looking for this..
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June 28, 2015, 06:39:10 PM
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the network hash for the last 25 blocks swings around like crazy going + or - 100-200ghs per 1 block added.

I wonder if this is normal since the value it is reporting is for the last 25 blocks (it's an average of 25 blocks!).. wouldn't that mean that in order for you to get a swing of 100-200gh/s the network would have to actually have increased/decreased tremendously within the time span of mining a single block?

Block mining variance is very high, which is why we removed the '10 blocks' value. 10 blocks thrashed so much that it was almost worthless as a metric. 25 blocks suffers from much of the same issue, and the apparent hashrate could change significantly even if the actual hashrate is not moving around very much.

100-200ghs seems a little much to me, my guess is that the hashrate actually IS adjusting a lot right now (some farm is probably moving power on and off as it suits them - perhaps they are mining multiple coins at the same time and keep switching which one they mine based on profitability).  100 blocks is a much better approximation of the current hashrate. I think it's safe to say the network has jumped to at least 400 GH/s.
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June 28, 2015, 09:26:43 PM
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Quick offer: Selling 35m at only 0.18 btc / Million - offer valid for maximum of 30 minutes (post will be deleted in max 30 minutes)
Any bites yet? lol  Grin

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Quick offer: Selling 35m at only 0.18 btc / Million - offer valid for maximum of 30 minutes (post will be deleted in max 30 minutes)
Any bites yet? lol  Grin

offer gone as announced
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Is it okay if I don't do anything with the siafunds for now or is it necessary to make a new address and transfer them over? My siafunds are still in the original address I redeemed the sianotes with and I'd rather leave them there if possible.

Edit: I also just tried to update to 0.3.3.3 and I think I may have lost my coins but I'm hoping it's the same problem I had as last time.

I made sure siad wasn't running and then I copied and backed up to my desktop the wallet folder from inside the sia folder (old version).
I opened the new sia version and let it update.  I then closed it and quit siad.  Then I pasted the wallet folder from my desktop to my home folder and deleted the new wallet folder.  I opened the updated sia but it says I have 0 coins.  What did I do wrong?
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June 29, 2015, 08:46:24 PM
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I made sure siad wasn't running and then I copied and backed up to my desktop the wallet folder from inside the sia folder (old version).
I opened the new sia version and let it update.  I then closed it and quit siad.  Then I pasted the wallet folder from my desktop to my home folder and deleted the new wallet folder.  I opened the updated sia but it says I have 0 coins.  What did I do wrong?

What I did is that after running the new version for a little bit, I replaced the wallet.dat with the old wallet.dat in both client folder and home folder. I also replaced the database (I think it is called chain.xx in the client folder) with the old one. Then I restarted the client. As soon as the blockchain was updated I saw my coins showed up.
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June 29, 2015, 10:27:35 PM
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Upgrading instructions:

1. turn off siad. If you are really paranoid, reboot your computer to achieve this.
2. back up all wallets. make sure siad is not running when you back up your wallets
3. download 0.3.3.3 from github and put it in a new folder. do not run it yet
4. copy (or merge, both are fine) the most recent wallet into the wallet folder of 0.3.3.3 put it in the folder containing the executable, home folder will not work anymore
5. start running 0.3.3.3, never run 0.3.3.2 again.

There is a hard fork coming in the next few days, and everyone (especially miners) needs to upgrade.

If you do the backup wallets step correctly (back up wallets while siad is not running, and then do not upload/mine/host/make transactions until you have all of your coins again), then I can help you recover your coins if you mess up on another step.

Please follow these instructions carefully, and you will be able to upgrade without losing coins.

Sorry for the hassle, the upgrade process for 0.4.0 will be much simpler.
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June 29, 2015, 10:29:59 PM
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I opened the new sia version and let it update.  I then closed it and quit siad.  Then I pasted the wallet folder from my desktop to my home folder and deleted the new wallet folder.

0.3.3.3 doesn't use the home folder anymore.
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June 29, 2015, 11:36:40 PM
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I see that siac is back in the Sia folder...

When I run the following command in command line
siac miner status

I get the info for CPU mining.

I was wondering if there was another similar command for the GPU mining? I want to check and make sure my mining is actually registering/working as it should be.
Still haven't mined a block and I've been going at it pretty strong for a while (1-2 gigahashes/sec).

On another note, anyone know the best mining GPU to use for SIA? (if electricity is not a problem)
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I see that siac is back in the Sia folder...

When I run the following command in command line
siac miner status

I get the info for CPU mining.

I was wondering if there was another similar command for the GPU mining? I want to check and make sure my mining is actually registering/working as it should be.
Still haven't mined a block and I've been going at it pretty strong for a while (1-2 gigahashes/sec).

"siac miner" will tell you if you mined a block succesfully with both cpu and gpu.
in order to be sure mining is working correctly, you need to wait until you find a block.
with your hashrate, you could mine a block a day or less.

On another note, anyone know the best mining GPU to use for SIA? (if electricity is not a problem)

with an r9 290x you can reach 1.1 Gh/s with overclocking.

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with an r9 290x you can reach 1.1 Gh/s with overclocking.
With which miner?
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with an r9 290x you can reach 1.1 Gh/s with overclocking.
With which miner?

mine or git (a little lower)

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I see that siac is back in the Sia folder...

When I run the following command in command line
siac miner status

I get the info for CPU mining.

I was wondering if there was another similar command for the GPU mining? I want to check and make sure my mining is actually registering/working as it should be.
Still haven't mined a block and I've been going at it pretty strong for a while (1-2 gigahashes/sec).

"siac miner" will tell you if you mined a block succesfully with both cpu and gpu.
in order to be sure mining is working correctly, you need to wait until you find a block.
with your hashrate, you could mine a block a day or less.

On another note, anyone know the best mining GPU to use for SIA? (if electricity is not a problem)

with an r9 290x you can reach 1.1 Gh/s with overclocking.

1.25 here!

Did you do any precalculations on cpu? I did some experiments and can't get anything good out of it.

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