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April 22, 2022, 02:37:49 PM
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Muhammad hasnain bowling action was test in Pakistan and found illegitimate but Pakistan don't have capacity to check bowling actions of its domestic players and that hurting them badly. Once you are in international cricket and reported its become very difficult to go back and start from scratch.
This happened in February when Mohammad Hasnain was playing in the BBL when his bowling action was reported by the umpires and the test took place in Lahore also found that he is flexing beyond 15 degree. I have seen his clips and i do not see that he was bending the elbow but bio mechanics test conducted says that he is flexing beyond that.
Good thing is that the PCB has appointed someone to rectify his bowling action and i wish to see him make a great comeback.

I think this issue has been going on for quite a while now and with a lot of countries. So, I think ICC should give all the boards the property equipment to check if the actual of a bowler is legit. And all the boards should also be really interested to get their hands on the proper equipment because otherwise a lot of bowlers might face the bitter consequences.

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April 22, 2022, 03:49:07 PM
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This happened in February when Mohammad Hasnain was playing in the BBL when his bowling action was reported by the umpires and the test took place in Lahore also found that he is flexing beyond 15 degree. I have seen his clips and i do not see that he was bending the elbow but bio mechanics test conducted says that he is flexing beyond that.

Good thing is that the PCB has appointed someone to rectify his bowling action and i wish to see him make a great comeback.

He has great pace Muhammad Hasnain and with time he has the capability to produce more good deliveries. Its good that pcb is working hard to correct his bowling action and bring him back in international cricket. Do you who is working with hasnain to rectify his bowling action?
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April 22, 2022, 08:12:12 PM
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I think this issue has been going on for quite a while now and with a lot of countries. So, I think ICC should give all the boards the property equipment to check if the actual of a bowler is legit. And all the boards should also be really interested to get their hands on the proper equipment because otherwise a lot of bowlers might face the bitter consequences.
Surely it's very important issue and all boards need to check with this because now it's creating some controversies as well, but it's not duty of ICC to provide equipment's and give orders about this it's all need of relative boards to bring things which important for this and settle their players which have some issues like these.

As someone already mentions few developed boards already have better check and balance system for this, and they are doing good job bur right now it's duty of Pakistan and Sri Lankan boards as they are mostly victim of this issue they also do some more work in their domestic level which help these youths, and they were able to have all things clear before entering into International arena.
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April 22, 2022, 11:50:53 PM
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He has great pace Muhammad Hasnain and with time he has the capability to produce more good deliveries. Its good that pcb is working hard to correct his bowling action and bring him back in international cricket. Do you who is working with hasnain to rectify his bowling action?
The PCB has appointed some of their experts to rectify his bowling action and even though they have not mentioned any specific names the good news is that Muhammad Hasnain changed his bowling action and PCB has informed ICC about the changes and now they are waiting for the ICC to conduct another test to check the legality and once it is clear he will be back playing International Cricket.

After some digging, Moises Henriques is the person who first accused Muhammad Hasnain for chucking during the BBL and the test conducted showed that he was extending his elbow beyond the legal limit and now he changed his action and hopefully he will be able to bowl at the same pace.
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April 23, 2022, 03:57:01 AM
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The PCB has appointed some of their experts to rectify his bowling action and even though they have not mentioned any specific names the good news is that Muhammad Hasnain changed his bowling action and PCB has informed ICC about the changes and now they are waiting for the ICC to conduct another test to check the legality and once it is clear he will be back playing International Cricket.

After some digging, Moises Henriques is the person who first accused Muhammad Hasnain for chucking during the BBL and the test conducted showed that he was extending his elbow beyond the legal limit and now he changed his action and hopefully he will be able to bowl at the same pace.

I remember Moises saying to Hasnain, nice throw. Hasnain was too good in BBL season where he was reported. I don't know how a batsman can recognise that a bowler action is illegal. The real challenge for Hasnain is to maintain his old pace with new bowling action.
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April 23, 2022, 02:12:15 PM
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The PCB has appointed some of their experts to rectify his bowling action and even though they have not mentioned any specific names the good news is that Muhammad Hasnain changed his bowling action and PCB has informed ICC about the changes and now they are waiting for the ICC to conduct another test to check the legality and once it is clear he will be back playing International Cricket.
After some digging, Moises Henriques is the person who first accused Muhammad Hasnain for chucking during the BBL and the test conducted showed that he was extending his elbow beyond the legal limit and now he changed his action and hopefully he will be able to bowl at the same pace.
I remember Moises saying to Hasnain, nice throw. Hasnain was too good in BBL season where he was reported. I don't know how a batsman can recognise that a bowler action is illegal. The real challenge for Hasnain is to maintain his old pace with new bowling action.

What I would really like to know is that he was in the Striker's end when he said that because for me a batsman when he is facing a bowler I cannot just look at his arm whether it is bending too much or not. From the non-Strikers point of view, it can be pretty obvious but from the Striker's point of view, a batsman has too many things to think about.

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What I would really like to know is that he was in the Striker's end when he said that because for me a batsman when he is facing a bowler I cannot just look at his arm whether it is bending too much or not. From the non-Strikers point of view, it can be pretty obvious but from the Striker's point of view, a batsman has too many things to think about.

It was Moises who pointed out first followed by the umpire. Hasnain has played 26 International game and was not reported in any of the game until he performed extraordinary good in BBL. Anyways Hasnain is now suspended due to illegal action and we have to wait and see how he come back.
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What I would really like to know is that he was in the Striker's end when he said that because for me a batsman when he is facing a bowler I cannot just look at his arm whether it is bending too much or not. From the non-Strikers point of view, it can be pretty obvious but from the Striker's point of view, a batsman has too many things to think about.
It was Moises who pointed out first followed by the umpire. Hasnain has played 26 International game and was not reported in any of the game until he performed extraordinary good in BBL. Anyways Hasnain is now suspended due to illegal action and we have to wait and see how he come back.
The Australian has history like these events when they fail to play any bowler then started things like this and in bowling if they have any problems then they started their other dirty tactics which are having many bad examples around the cricket.

Murali saga was also happened in Australia and now with more than 25 International matches as they fail to play youngster they started their own tactics and call this all throw hopefully this wonder kid will be back in cricket grounds and have this contribution after change of action because he is still very young and having good time for settling things. With this all now PCB also need to invest in some better infrastructure and facilities for their youths because it's also very important if they want to keep alive in international cricket.

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Murali saga was also happened in Australia and now with more than 25 International matches as they fail to play youngster they started their own tactics and call this all throw hopefully this wonder kid will be back in cricket grounds and have this contribution after change of action because he is still very young and having good time for settling things. With this all now PCB also need to invest in some better infrastructure and facilities for their youths because it's also very important if they want to keep alive in international cricket.
When he played in Australia he was reported but then even PCB found out that he was bending his elbow than the legal limit and hence they are trying to change his bowling action, if the accusation did not have any basis then there is nothing anyone can do and Pakistan produced some of the greatest fast bowlers in world cricket and hence they have these legends to impart the knowledge on younger players and only PCB has to take the initiative in that aspect.
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April 23, 2022, 11:39:36 PM
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Anyhow it is a good decision to fine Pant, coach Amre and Thakur for the problem making during the match against Rajasthan Royals. Pant and Amre have been fined 100 per cent of match-fees for the game while Thakur was fined 50 per cent of his match-fees for the game. They shouldn't have done that, and some has mentioned of Ponting not in that place. If he was available, this couldn't have happened. Same time there were more memes getting circulated making those incidents funny.

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Murali saga was also happened in Australia and now with more than 25 International matches as they fail to play youngster they started their own tactics and call this all throw hopefully this wonder kid will be back in cricket grounds and have this contribution after change of action because he is still very young and having good time for settling things. With this all now PCB also need to invest in some better infrastructure and facilities for their youths because it's also very important if they want to keep alive in international cricket.
When he played in Australia he was reported but then even PCB found out that he was bending his elbow than the legal limit and hence they are trying to change his bowling action, if the accusation did not have any basis then there is nothing anyone can do and Pakistan produced some of the greatest fast bowlers in world cricket and hence they have these legends to impart the knowledge on younger players and only PCB has to take the initiative in that aspect.
With the change in gov the PCB will be experiencing a change in the top management. What are you thoughts about it.
Would you like Rameez Raja to be replaced. And do you think he did good steps which help PAkistani team rise again during international and domestic cricket?

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April 23, 2022, 11:59:39 PM
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With the change in gov the PCB will be experiencing a change in the top management. What are you thoughts about it.
Would you like Rameez Raja to be replaced. And do you think he did good steps which help PAkistani team rise again during international and domestic cricket?
I think Rameez Raja should continue, the change in the political climate might see a change in that aspect but i think he did a good job and the win against Australia showed how Pakistan can improve their game and if he is able to appoint the correct coaching staffs and help grooming young players then it would be great.

He even said about changing the structure of PSL to compete with the IPL and i am curious to see how much change he can bring and a direct competition will bring any benefit for the regional players.
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I think Rameez Raja should continue, the change in the political climate might see a change in that aspect but i think he did a good job and the win against Australia showed how Pakistan can improve their game and if he is able to appoint the correct coaching staffs and help grooming young players then it would be great.

He even said about changing the structure of PSL to compete with the IPL and i am curious to see how much change he can bring and a direct competition will bring any benefit for the regional players.

Ramiz has said that he is asked by new prime minister of the country to continue as PCB chief. He has no doubt done great services to Pakistan by bringing Aus to Pakistan after 22 years. Now international cricket is returning to Pakistan and hopefully top players will join PSL.
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April 24, 2022, 11:46:31 AM
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Murali saga was also happened in Australia and now with more than 25 International matches as they fail to play youngster they started their own tactics and call this all throw hopefully this wonder kid will be back in cricket grounds and have this contribution after change of action because he is still very young and having good time for settling things. With this all now PCB also need to invest in some better infrastructure and facilities for their youths because it's also very important if they want to keep alive in international cricket.

What's strange is that in 25 international appearances he was not found guilty of illegal action, this indicates the fact that icc has no check on bowling action. Hasnain was caught in BBL which is not an international level cricket. Aus have habit of reporting anyone who they can't play.
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With the change in gov the PCB will be experiencing a change in the top management. What are you thoughts about it.
Would you like Rameez Raja to be replaced. And do you think he did good steps which help PAkistani team rise again during international and domestic cricket?
I think Rameez Raja should continue, the change in the political climate might see a change in that aspect but i think he did a good job and the win against Australia showed how Pakistan can improve their game and if he is able to appoint the correct coaching staffs and help grooming young players then it would be great.

He even said about changing the structure of PSL to compete with the IPL and i am curious to see how much change he can bring and a direct competition will bring any benefit for the regional players.

I really did not like the fact that the government of Pakistan had to be changed. obviously, there was a lot of pressure from the outside world, and the leaders that are in control and ruling the world right now played some dirty politics. and obviously, Imran Khan did not want Pakistan to get hurt just because him being in power.

Anyway, I think whatever is happening is not going to be good for the future of Pakistan cricket. And I really don't think that with the change of power,  anyone who was in the authority of Pakistan cricket will remain there.

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April 24, 2022, 03:21:19 PM
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If we look at the IPL match today, we can see that Mumbai Indians and Lucknow Super Giants have faced each other. Lucknow Super Giants are already batting after winning the toss. If you look at the scoreboard of Lucknow Super Giants, you will see that Lucknow has already scored 114 runs for the loss of four wickets at the end of 14.3 overs.
LSG: 115-4(14.4)
KL Rahul*: 66(45)
Deepak hooda*: 10(7)
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April 24, 2022, 03:23:31 PM
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Anyhow it is a good decision to fine Pant, coach Amre and Thakur for the problem making during the match against Rajasthan Royals. Pant and Amre have been fined 100 per cent of match-fees for the game while Thakur was fined 50 per cent of his match-fees for the game. They shouldn't have done that, and some has mentioned of Ponting not in that place. If he was available, this couldn't have happened. Same time there were more memes getting circulated making those incidents funny.

We have seen this type of thing happen in the past when Shakib Al Hasan tried to call the players off the field. But that was on an international stage and also directly the umpires’ fault.

This is not an international stage and looking at things I certainly think that there was some influence behind this. Otherwise, I really think that it should have been called a no-ball because it was clearly one.

But, as per rules and what the umpires decided should be like this,  after all, the on-field umpire has the higher authority with these types of calls, and once these types of calls are made a third umpire cannot make any changes if the on-field umpires do not ask for it.

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April 24, 2022, 03:29:18 PM
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What I would really like to know is that he was in the Striker's end when he said that because for me a batsman when he is facing a bowler I cannot just look at his arm whether it is bending too much or not. From the non-Strikers point of view, it can be pretty obvious but from the Striker's point of view, a batsman has too many things to think about.
It was Moises who pointed out first followed by the umpire. Hasnain has played 26 International game and was not reported in any of the game until he performed extraordinary good in BBL. Anyways Hasnain is now suspended due to illegal action and we have to wait and see how he come back.
The Australian has history like these events when they fail to play any bowler then started things like this and in bowling if they have any problems then they started their other dirty tactics which are having many bad examples around the cricket.

Murali saga was also happened in Australia and now with more than 25 International matches as they fail to play youngster they started their own tactics and call this all throw hopefully this wonder kid will be back in cricket grounds and have this contribution after change of action because he is still very young and having good time for settling things. With this all now PCB also need to invest in some better infrastructure and facilities for their youths because it's also very important if they want to keep alive in international cricket.

Well, what can you do? they are the ones who are ultimately running the ICC in my opinion. And they have done these things in the past so it is quite expected from them. but I obviously think that because of the Pakistan officials being there,  it might help the kid a lot. but I also would not be surprised if they are muted by putting a lot of money on their face.

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I think Rameez Raja should continue, the change in the political climate might see a change in that aspect but i think he did a good job and the win against Australia showed how Pakistan can improve their game and if he is able to appoint the correct coaching staffs and help grooming young players then it would be great.

He even said about changing the structure of PSL to compete with the IPL and i am curious to see how much change he can bring and a direct competition will bring any benefit for the regional players.

Ramiz has said that he is asked by new prime minister of the country to continue as PCB chief. He has no doubt done great services to Pakistan by bringing Aus to Pakistan after 22 years. Now international cricket is returning to Pakistan and hopefully top players will join PSL.
Aussie coming to Pk and return of International cricket is a good step by Rameez Raja and what Ramez Raja said I wish if this is true. I personally think that Rameez Raja is better choice and we have see much of good cricket in last few months.
I wish and hope that Pakistan progress and we see it emerging on the world map .

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I think Rameez Raja should continue, the change in the political climate might see a change in that aspect but i think he did a good job and the win against Australia showed how Pakistan can improve their game and if he is able to appoint the correct coaching staffs and help grooming young players then it would be great.

He even said about changing the structure of PSL to compete with the IPL and i am curious to see how much change he can bring and a direct competition will bring any benefit for the regional players.
Things are not clear because right now we have few doubts who are coming or who is leaving I was reading on few sites Najam Sethi ex PCB chief is doing monopoly for having this post again and interesting we have another candidate even I am 100% sure he is not going to take this post because he is not eligible for this, but he is working and trying to contact with relative peoples SHAHID AFRIDI.

A surprising candidate for this post but most chances RAMIZ RAJA is having good time in office and few peoples in current government set up also like him, so he will be carried on for his tenure, and then we can expect someone from these peoples.

He can change structure and can bring some good changes, but surely he can't compete with this IPL because market is big difference and India is having some good advantages which are not possible for PCB and Pakistan.

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