Cricket match prediction discussions

[fuguebtc]

The Saudi government has taken various steps to introduce their country to the world. Apart from various developmental works they are now paying special attention to the sports world. They are investing in sports like football and Formula 1 and are currently focusing on cricket. As a result, they have a keen eye on the Indian Premier League. They are so enthusiastic about creating a cricket league like IPL that they have expressed their concern to India and have taken the initiative to run a new tournament. However, BCCI has not yet commented on it. I think if the ICC approve the application of Saudi Arabia, maybe we can get a good result from India.

Saudis are only interested in the publicity that they get from hosting major sporting events in their country. They have hardly taken any steps to popularize cricket to the native Arab population. It is understandable, as cricket is not an Olympic sport and is increasingly getting restricted to the South Asian community. BTW, there are some big movements from the IPL franchises. They are trying to sign deals with overseas players, to get them contracted to different teams managed by the same franchise. Details can be found here:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ipl-teams-and-international-stars-in-informal-contract-discussions-1371491
If this move succeeds, then a number of star players will opt out of international cricket and may focus solely on franchise cricket.

With the popularity of franchise cricket, I fear that international cricket will die out soon. Especially since the ICC is so worried about keeping test cricket alive instead of actually improving the state of cricket right now. Probably the players are going to be only interested in International Cricket because of the world cup.

After all no franchise league title is going to be more important than the world cup. But at the same time, the other tournaments light the Asia Cup and others will lose its importance.

[Sithara007]

With the popularity of franchise cricket, I fear that international cricket will die out soon. Especially since the ICC is so worried about keeping test cricket alive instead of actually improving the state of cricket right now. Probably the players are going to be only interested in International Cricket because of the world cup.

After all no franchise league title is going to be more important than the world cup. But at the same time, the other tournaments light the Asia Cup and others will lose its importance.

I don't know how much ICC tournaments are going to get impacted, but bilaterals are surely done if this happens. IPL franchises have formed a cabal, and they are now in talks with dozens of players to lure them out of international cricket. In the end, cricket will become similar to football, where club competitions reign supreme. In the long term, I am worried even about the future of ICC competitions as well. If the best players are taken out, then teams outside pig-4 will cease to be competitive. And along with that, popularity of cricket outside South Asia will drop even further.

[fuguebtc]

With the popularity of franchise cricket, I fear that international cricket will die out soon. Especially since the ICC is so worried about keeping test cricket alive instead of actually improving the state of cricket right now. Probably the players are going to be only interested in International Cricket because of the world cup.
After all no franchise league title is going to be more important than the world cup. But at the same time, the other tournaments light the Asia Cup and others will lose its importance.

I don't know how much ICC tournaments are going to get impacted, but bilaterals are surely done if this happens. IPL franchises have formed a cabal, and they are now in talks with dozens of players to lure them out of international cricket. In the end, cricket will become similar to football, where club competitions reign supreme. In the long term, I am worried even about the future of ICC competitions as well. If the best players are taken out, then teams outside pig-4 will cease to be competitive. And along with that, popularity of cricket outside South Asia will drop even further.

I am sure that international cricket is going to get affected. At the same time, I actually agree that ICC tournaments are probably not going to be affected. But other than the ICC tournament players are not going to be interested to play for the national team. Why would the players want to play for the national team when they are getting paid a lot more money in the franchise t20 league?

The franchise league being more popular would have worked if cricket was popular in all around the world. But cricket is not that popular. And that's why it is not going to be a good thing for cricket.

[Patrol69]

Kane Williamson And ODI World Cup

New Zealand captain Kane Williamson was seriously injured while saving a boundary in the first match of IPL. The injury was so severe that he had to undergo immediate surgery. He was kicked out of IPL due to arms smuggling. 

An injury of the type he sustained would take about six months to recover from, if the weapon had been smuggled.  ICC Men's ODI World Cup is going to start in India probably after 5 months. As he will need another six months to recover, India might miss the World Cup. New Zealand coach Gary Stead has decided to keep him in the team as a mentor in case he misses the World Cup as a player for any reason.  According to his statement,
"Look, nothing can be said too soon. He's had an operation. As far as we know it's been successful. He's in the early stages of rehab. It's hard to say when he'll be back. But we're going to miss someone of his class and calibre.  But yes, of course we want to have him in the team as a mentor." 

But New Zealand captain Kane Williamson is not giving up on his World Cup dream so easily. He still believes he will recover and be back with the team before the World Cup. In this regard, Kane Williamson said,
"Such an injury is naturally disappointing. For now my focus is on getting the surgery and starting the recovery.
It will take a lot of time.
But I will do everything possible to get back on the field as soon as possible."

It is our hope that Kane Williamson recovers and returns to the team before the World Cup.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

Kane Williamson And ODI World Cup

New Zealand captain Kane Williamson was seriously injured while saving a boundary in the first match of IPL. The injury was so severe that he had to undergo immediate surgery. He was kicked out of IPL due to arms smuggling. 

An injury of the type he sustained would take about six months to recover from, if the weapon had been smuggled.  ICC Men's ODI World Cup is going to start in India probably after 5 months. As he will need another six months to recover, India might miss the World Cup. New Zealand coach Gary Stead has decided to keep him in the team as a mentor in case he misses the World Cup as a player for any reason.  According to his statement,
"Look, nothing can be said too soon. He's had an operation. As far as we know it's been successful. He's in the early stages of rehab. It's hard to say when he'll be back. But we're going to miss someone of his class and calibre.  But yes, of course we want to have him in the team as a mentor." 

But New Zealand captain Kane Williamson is not giving up on his World Cup dream so easily. He still believes he will recover and be back with the team before the World Cup. In this regard, Kane Williamson said,
"Such an injury is naturally disappointing. For now my focus is on getting the surgery and starting the recovery.
It will take a lot of time.
But I will do everything possible to get back on the field as soon as possible."

It is our hope that Kane Williamson recovers and returns to the team before the World Cup.

Heard about this incident,  kane Williamson is a gem player for Newzealand he has always been consistent in his performance and bought many victories for Kiwis.
He will be greatly missed on ground If he couldn't make it till than , hopefully he recovers and participates in world cup .

[Sithara007]

Cricket has been included for the 2023 Southeast Asian Game. A total of 7 countries are taking part - Indonesia, Cambodia, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore and Thailand (Myanmar is participating only in the women's tournament) out of the total of 11. There are 4 formats that are being played - T10, T20, ODI (50 over) and 6s cricket. Yesterday was the first day and the T20 competition is currently underway. Before this edition, the last time that cricket was included in Southeast Asian Games was way back in 2017, when Malaysia was hosting the games.

[Juggy777]

With the popularity of franchise cricket, I fear that international cricket will die out soon. Especially since the ICC is so worried about keeping test cricket alive instead of actually improving the state of cricket right now. Probably the players are going to be only interested in International Cricket because of the world cup.
After all no franchise league title is going to be more important than the world cup. But at the same time, the other tournaments light the Asia Cup and others will lose its importance.

I don't know how much ICC tournaments are going to get impacted, but bilaterals are surely done if this happens. IPL franchises have formed a cabal, and they are now in talks with dozens of players to lure them out of international cricket. In the end, cricket will become similar to football, where club competitions reign supreme. In the long term, I am worried even about the future of ICC competitions as well. If the best players are taken out, then teams outside pig-4 will cease to be competitive. And along with that, popularity of cricket outside South Asia will drop even further.

I am sure that international cricket is going to get affected. At the same time, I actually agree that ICC tournaments are probably not going to be affected. But other than the ICC tournament players are not going to be interested to play for the national team. Why would the players want to play for the national team when they are getting paid a lot more money in the franchise t20 league?

The franchise league being more popular would have worked if cricket was popular in all around the world. But cricket is not that popular. And that's why it is not going to be a good thing for cricket.

@Sithara007 of course this was bound to happen and it’s only a matter of time now and for further proof read the news where they say IPL franchisee are offering England player’s a year round contract for quitting international cricket and I won’t be surprised if those player’s take up that deal. Furthermore with IPL franchisee owner’s investing in other leagues it’s only a matter of time before player’s give up international cricket and I wonder if at some stage ICC will scrap some of it’s fixtures/tournaments in exchange for compensation from these Franchisees.

[fuguebtc]

I don't know how much ICC tournaments are going to get impacted, but bilaterals are surely done if this happens. IPL franchises have formed a cabal, and they are now in talks with dozens of players to lure them out of international cricket. In the end, cricket will become similar to football, where club competitions reign supreme. In the long term, I am worried even about the future of ICC competitions as well. If the best players are taken out, then teams outside pig-4 will cease to be competitive. And along with that, popularity of cricket outside South Asia will drop even further.

I am sure that international cricket is going to get affected. At the same time, I actually agree that ICC tournaments are probably not going to be affected. But other than the ICC tournament players are not going to be interested to play for the national team. Why would the players want to play for the national team when they are getting paid a lot more money in the franchise t20 league?
The franchise league being more popular would have worked if cricket was popular in all around the world. But cricket is not that popular. And that's why it is not going to be a good thing for cricket.

@Sithara007 of course this was bound to happen and it’s only a matter of time now and for further proof read the news where they say IPL franchisee are offering England player’s a year round contract for quitting international cricket and I won’t be surprised if those player’s take up that deal. Furthermore with IPL franchisee owner’s investing in other leagues it’s only a matter of time before player’s give up international cricket and I wonder if at some stage ICC will scrap some of it’s fixtures/tournaments in exchange for compensation from these Franchisees.

Of course, it is going to be very beneficial for the players to accept the IPL deal instead of playing for the national team. I do not think the cricket board of that respective country can actually do something about that. After all, it is a personal decision of the player. But that can be done by a player because IPL is very popular and they are offering a due to those players.

I don't think Pakistan can do the same with PCL. The same goes for almost any other franchise. It will also be very hard for the cricket boards to convince the players to play for the national team instead of playing for the franchise. Cricket boards cannot afford to give them that type of money because the revenue is nowhere near.

[Ayers]

Cricket has been included for the 2023 Southeast Asian Game. A total of 7 countries are taking part - Indonesia, Cambodia, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore and Thailand (Myanmar is participating only in the women's tournament) out of the total of 11. There are 4 formats that are being played - T10, T20, ODI (50 over) and 6s cricket. Yesterday was the first day and the T20 competition is currently underway. Before this edition, the last time that cricket was included in Southeast Asian Games was way back in 2017, when Malaysia was hosting the games.

The second match is already over. It was between Malaysia and Indonesia. In this match, Malaysia had a very good performance. Malaysia actually one the match by 94 runs. Even though Indonesia did win the first match against Thailand they were no match for Malaysia.

The next match is between the Philippines and Singapore. I really want to see close contested matches. Among the two matches that have been played neither actually have been closely contested in my opinion.

[Sithara007]

The second match is already over. It was between Malaysia and Indonesia. In this match, Malaysia had a very good performance. Malaysia actually one the match by 94 runs. Even though Indonesia did win the first match against Thailand they were no match for Malaysia.

The next match is between the Philippines and Singapore. I really want to see close contested matches. Among the two matches that have been played neither actually have been closely contested in my opinion.

Disappointing for Indonesia. But we need to remember the fact that Malaysia is one of the founding members of the International Cricket Council (ICC). On the other hand, Indonesia started playing cricket very recently. And in both the countries, the squads are 100% native and they don't depend on foreigners. Indonesia won the first match against Thailand, but yesterday they were unlucky. But those who have followed their progress will note down the huge improvements they have made in the recent past. Earlier this year, they participated in the 2023 ICC Under-19 Women's T20 World Cup, and managed to defeat Zimbabwe in one of the matches. They are one of the most populous nations in the world and with some support from the ICC, cricket can expand across the country.

[BobK71]

Kane Williamson And ODI World Cup

New Zealand captain Kane Williamson was seriously injured while saving a boundary in the first match of IPL. The injury was so severe that he had to undergo immediate surgery. He was kicked out of IPL due to arms smuggling. 

An injury of the type he sustained would take about six months to recover from, if the weapon had been smuggled.  ICC Men's ODI World Cup is going to start in India probably after 5 months. As he will need another six months to recover, India might miss the World Cup. New Zealand coach Gary Stead has decided to keep him in the team as a mentor in case he misses the World Cup as a player for any reason.  According to his statement,
"Look, nothing can be said too soon. He's had an operation. As far as we know it's been successful. He's in the early stages of rehab. It's hard to say when he'll be back. But we're going to miss someone of his class and calibre.  But yes, of course we want to have him in the team as a mentor." 

Before the World Cup cricket, the captain of the team is in such a condition that there is a lot of disappointment in the team. Although someone will fill his place. In World Cup cricket, good performances are not usually expected from good players. There is a great importance of experience. Every one wants to make a team with experienced players for the world cup. An example of this is Indian cricketer Virat Kohli. Who has been groomed for the World Cup with repeated opportunities and is now back in the team as a symbol of reliability. However, Kane Williamson's place in the New Zealand team is not to be filled because it will not be very easy for New Zealand to get a talented and experienced player like him. But I wish him well and that he can return to the field again very soon.

[n0ne]

Cricket has been included for the 2023 Southeast Asian Game. A total of 7 countries are taking part - Indonesia, Cambodia, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore and Thailand (Myanmar is participating only in the women's tournament) out of the total of 11. There are 4 formats that are being played - T10, T20, ODI (50 over) and 6s cricket. Yesterday was the first day and the T20 competition is currently underway. Before this edition, the last time that cricket was included in Southeast Asian Games was way back in 2017, when Malaysia was hosting the games.

Southeast Asian Games authority is interested in adding cricket. When it comes to ICC, they're not interested to apply and get it added to the Olympics. Mostly Asian teams are much into cricket, and all the mentioned teams have complete native players. But traditionally all these teams have got some connectivity with India. So, it is obvious to see names similar to Indian names on the teams of Malaysia, Singapore and Cambodia.

[Sithara007]

Southeast Asian Games authority is interested in adding cricket. When it comes to ICC, they're not interested to apply and get it added to the Olympics. Mostly Asian teams are much into cricket, and all the mentioned teams have complete native players. But traditionally all these teams have got some connectivity with India. So, it is obvious to see names similar to Indian names on the teams of Malaysia, Singapore and Cambodia.

In case of Malaysia, around half of their players are Malaysian Tamils and that is the reason why you see so many Indian sounding names. The remaining half are ethnic Malays. In recent times, the Malaysian team has become more Malay dominated. In case of Singapore, cricket is mostly played by Singaporean Tamils and Indian expats. However this time, around half of their women's players are Chinese Singaporeans. Cambodia men's team is mostly comprised of foreigners, but their women's team is 100% native.

[Ayers]

The second match is already over. It was between Malaysia and Indonesia. In this match, Malaysia had a very good performance. Malaysia actually one the match by 94 runs. Even though Indonesia did win the first match against Thailand they were no match for Malaysia.
The next match is between the Philippines and Singapore. I really want to see close contested matches. Among the two matches that have been played neither actually have been closely contested in my opinion.

Disappointing for Indonesia. But we need to remember the fact that Malaysia is one of the founding members of the International Cricket Council (ICC). On the other hand, Indonesia started playing cricket very recently. And in both the countries, the squads are 100% native and they don't depend on foreigners. Indonesia won the first match against Thailand, but yesterday they were unlucky. But those who have followed their progress will note down the huge improvements they have made in the recent past. Earlier this year, they participated in the 2023 ICC Under-19 Women's T20 World Cup, and managed to defeat Zimbabwe in one of the matches. They are one of the most populous nations in the world and with some support from the ICC, cricket can expand across the country.

As a relatively new team I think Indonesia is doing quite well. Now the thing is they will need some time to improve. At least to reach a higher level of competitive cricket. I am interested to see how they perform overall in this tournament. I believe that they will be able to make a name for themselves in this tournament.

Of course, Malaysia is going to be better compared to Indonesia. Experience is a big factor in cricket. Indonesia does not have much of that. But it is true that with the help of ICC, they will be able to get better. At the same time cricket needs to be made a more popular sport in Indonesia so that kids are more and more interested in playing cricket professionally when they grow up. By making that happen natural talents will automatically come forward.

[Sithara007]

As a relatively new team I think Indonesia is doing quite well. Now the thing is they will need some time to improve. At least to reach a higher level of competitive cricket. I am interested to see how they perform overall in this tournament. I believe that they will be able to make a name for themselves in this tournament.

Of course, Malaysia is going to be better compared to Indonesia. Experience is a big factor in cricket. Indonesia does not have much of that. But it is true that with the help of ICC, they will be able to get better. At the same time cricket needs to be made a more popular sport in Indonesia so that kids are more and more interested in playing cricket professionally when they grow up. By making that happen natural talents will automatically come forward.

Well.. forget about any help from the ICC. They are simply not interested in spreading the game, ever since Jagmohan Dalmiya was ousted as the ICC president. That organization is currently being run by a bunch of greedy businessmen. But cricket in Indonesia has expanded rapidly (without any assistance from the ICC). There is an inter-provincial tournament, which is held as a part of the National Sports Week.  Last edition saw the participation of provinces from every nook and corner of Indonesia, including the islands of Bali, Jawa, Sulawesi and Kalimantan.

[JSRAW]

Thought about this bold part and seriously yaar cricketers get peanuts if we look at the overall picture.

Even premier cricketers like Kohli also get only $3 Million if we only look at his BCCI + IPL contract, not considering sponsorship etc in this bracket. The situation is worse for other cricketers, no wonder players are looking for financial security. 

Well.. I could agree with that. IPL media rights alone costs some $1.2 billion per year. But the total salaries are only around $115 million, which represents less than 10% of the media rights amount. Now compare this with the English Premier League. Media rights are rumored to be around £3.0 billion per year, and the highest paid player (Enzo Fernandez) is contracted for £106.8 million. Jack Grealish's contract is worth £100 million per year. That is almost 100 times of what Virat Kohli receives from the IPL (not adding in the national contract, since it is not exactly apple to apple comparison).

This debate started popping up in the media as well but not in India tho. Very few pundits addressing this issue.

There are some arguments regarding low percent of amount going to players.

- There is no players union in India.
- IPL is not long enough like other big sporting leagues.
- Franchises do have control but they are still under BCCI's shadow.
- Virtually no cricketing league or board contract is lucrative enough when compared to an IPL paycheck, so hardly any competition and little incentive to Franchise/BCCI.

[Ayers]

snip

Well.. forget about any help from the ICC. They are simply not interested in spreading the game, ever since Jagmohan Dalmiya was ousted as the ICC president. That organization is currently being run by a bunch of greedy businessmen. But cricket in Indonesia has expanded rapidly (without any assistance from the ICC). There is an inter-provincial tournament, which is held as a part of the National Sports Week.  Last edition saw the participation of provinces from every nook and corner of Indonesia, including the islands of Bali, Jawa, Sulawesi and Kalimantan.

Of course, ICC is not going to invest in these countries or teams which are actually showing potential. They will invest in those teams which are not made out of native players. Which will eventually hurt the game in the long run. I am sure that ICC is thinking about money but they at least could help these teams out a little.

The officials which are running the show in the ICC are probably thinking about them not being in the authority for a long period of time. That's why they are more worried about earning a good amount of money instead of thinking about how the game can be better.

So far Indonesia has shown good improvement. I wonder how long it will take for the ICC to actually recognize these cricket teams and actually help them with some money.

[Sithara007]

Of course, ICC is not going to invest in these countries or teams which are actually showing potential. They will invest in those teams which are not made out of native players. Which will eventually hurt the game in the long run. I am sure that ICC is thinking about money but they at least could help these teams out a little.

The officials which are running the show in the ICC are probably thinking about them not being in the authority for a long period of time. That's why they are more worried about earning a good amount of money instead of thinking about how the game can be better.

So far Indonesia has shown good improvement. I wonder how long it will take for the ICC to actually recognize these cricket teams and actually help them with some money.

I am still waiting for the news on ICC revenue distribution model for the next cycle (2024-2027). This time the revenue from media rights increased by almost 4 times and we can expect an increase in allocation for everyone. Already it is rumored that BCCI's share will be increased from 22% as of now, to around 37% (they want it to be increased even further). As of now, only around 5% of the ICC revenue ends up with the associate nations. And even in this share, teams like UAE and USA get preference due to the new performance-based system.

[Ayers]

I am still waiting for the news on ICC revenue distribution model for the next cycle (2024-2027). This time the revenue from media rights increased by almost 4 times and we can expect an increase in allocation for everyone. Already it is rumored that BCCI's share will be increased from 22% as of now, to around 37% (they want it to be increased even further). As of now, only around 5% of the ICC revenue ends up with the associate nations. And even in this share, teams like UAE and USA get preference due to the new performance-based system.

The performance based system is not a problem. The problem is those teams are performing well which have foreign players stacked in the team. I would actually like to see a 50% cut in pay for the teams which have foreign players in the squad. And that 50% should be equally divided into the teams which do not have foreign players in the team.

Actually, another thing which can be done is don't have any performance based payment for the teams which have foreign players in the squad. The performance based pay should actually only exist for those which do not have foreign players in the squad. In this way, the teams will be much more interested in performing well and also not have foreign players in the team.

[Sithara007]

The performance based system is not a problem. The problem is those teams are performing well which have foreign players stacked in the team. I would actually like to see a 50% cut in pay for the teams which have foreign players in the squad. And that 50% should be equally divided into the teams which do not have foreign players in the team.

Actually, another thing which can be done is don't have any performance based payment for the teams which have foreign players in the squad. The performance based pay should actually only exist for those which do not have foreign players in the squad. In this way, the teams will be much more interested in performing well and also not have foreign players in the team.

Cricket should be like any other sport, where only citizens are allowed in national teams. FIFA, FIH or FIBA doesn't allow a single foreigner in national teams. FIBA even have strict rules regarding players who are naturalized and holding citizenship. But cricket is a joke, and you can have a national team of Slovakia or Armenia with 11 tourists from Pakistan. And on top of that, these teams now get a majority of the funding from the ICC, with huge reductions being made in fund allocation to teams with native players (Kenya, Nepal, Namibia, Scotland.etc).