Cricket match prediction discussions

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It is going to turn out to be a good thing for the associate nations in my opinion. They really need some more money from the ICC to actually improve it is good to see that they are speaking out about that. But what I am worried about is the money that is going to be given to the associate Nations are going to be used by the teams which have foreign players in the squad to get more foreign players in the squad and they will reign supreme over the other teams which do not have the luxury to bring in foreign players.

Associate nations are suffering from a double whammy. Two decades back there were only 25-30 associate nations and almost all of them were composed of native players. Since the ICC changed the eligibility laws, the number of associate nations have increased to almost 100. And now the decreasing pot of funds are being divided by an increasing number of teams. And most of the funds obviously end up with fake teams like Belgium and Norway which doesn't have a single citizen in their squad.

ICC has also made a rule that the teams which perform better will get more money. That is another problem because the teams which have foreign players in the squad are almost always going to perform better than any native squad. So that creates a loophole which actually benefits the teams which have foreign players in the squad. ICC should change the rules as soon as possible otherwise, it is actually going to result in the death of cricket.

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[YinShuiSiYuan]

It is going to turn out to be a good thing for the associate nations in my opinion. They really need some more money from the ICC to actually improve it is good to see that they are speaking out about that. But what I am worried about is the money that is going to be given to the associate Nations are going to be used by the teams which have foreign players in the squad to get more foreign players in the squad and they will reign supreme over the other teams which do not have the luxury to bring in foreign players.

Associate nations are suffering from a double whammy. Two decades back there were only 25-30 associate nations and almost all of them were composed of native players. Since the ICC changed the eligibility laws, the number of associate nations have increased to almost 100. And now the decreasing pot of funds are being divided by an increasing number of teams. And most of the funds obviously end up with fake teams like Belgium and Norway which doesn't have a single citizen in their squad.

ICC has also made a rule that the teams which perform better will get more money. That is another problem because the teams which have foreign players in the squad are almost always going to perform better than any native squad. So that creates a loophole which actually benefits the teams which have foreign players in the squad. ICC should change the rules as soon as possible otherwise, it is actually going to result in the death of cricket.

European countries have no interest in cricket they are more into football and other sports , Asian countries are more cricket lovers and that's the reason they have diversity of native players.
European teams are mostly made up of Asian players we see few native players in those teams .

[Minor Miner]

I honestly think by the time 2031 comes, there is actually going to be a relegation system for the IPL. My prediction is that the IPL is actually going to be that big in 2031. I am also not going to be surprised if the IPL is actually going on throughout 6 months by that time. We all know that the IPL is basically ruling the cricket world right now. They have the most amount of popularity. The only thing that surpasses the popular city of the IPL is probably the world cup matches and if there is a Pakistan versus India match

I really doubt whether a promotion-relegation system can be implemented in the Indian Premier League. In order to add new teams to the IPL, the BCCI need permission from the existing franchise owners (please correct me in case I am wrong). And this makes it impossible to relegate any of the teams, because the owners are not going to agree. EPL is a lot different from the IPL. There are no player auctions or purse limits in the EPL. In IPL these are implemented in order to make sure that there is a level playing field. Both the systems do have their own advantages and disadvantages.

Well, I think there is actually a simple solution. The new teams which are going to be added to the IPL will be in the second league. They will have to get promoted to the better one to perform. And of course, the team which is going to be the last on the table is going to get relegated and the one winning the second league will get promoted. But at the same time, it is also very true that whoever is going to invest in a team is not going to want to see their team get relegated or start in the second league.

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Franchises won't give a green signal to the relegation system as it would affect the standing of losing franchises and it's directly related to the financial model of IPL, like the same amount of fixtures for each team.

6-month window idea seems to be on the table of BCCI but it's their long term goal, maybe in the next 15-20 years but it's definitely not gonna happen in this decade.

I think it might happen in a span of 10 years. The way IPL is growing right now I do not see this as an impossible task. The only problem is that I do not trust cricket to actually stay alive after 20 years. Unless ICC changes some rules. Cricket is not going to survive only throughout the Indian and Pakistani players, if you know what I mean.

[eaLiTy]

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I think it might happen in a span of 10 years. The way IPL is growing right now I do not see this as an impossible task. The only problem is that I do not trust cricket to actually stay alive after 20 years. Unless ICC changes some rules. Cricket is not going to survive only throughout the Indian and Pakistani players, if you know what I mean.

Cricket will be well and alive as long as people are interested in them and the reason IPL and India is able to generate huge revenue than any other country is because of the fan base and the ability to fill any stadium whenever a match is played and the TRP rating they are receiving. Australia, New Zealand and England along with the other Asian countries are the major teams and it will be like that for the decades to come and the present fan base wont be diminishing.

[Sithara007]

ICC has also made a rule that the teams which perform better will get more money. That is another problem because the teams which have foreign players in the squad are almost always going to perform better than any native squad. So that creates a loophole which actually benefits the teams which have foreign players in the squad. ICC should change the rules as soon as possible otherwise, it is actually going to result in the death of cricket.

The eligibility rules were changed in order to favor teams like the United Arab Emirates and the United States of America, who are the blue eyed boys of the ICC. The ICC even suggested the same to Chinese officials, but they hit back by saying that they won't include foreigners in their national team. I don't think that the eligibility criteria will be changed further. Because native cricket in Europe has almost become extinct outside England. Previously teams like Danmark and Italy used to field 100% native squads and they were among the best associate teams. But now they are fielding 100% foreigner teams and their rankings have gone down. Cricket clubs are closing down in these countries.

[JSRAW]

Franchises won't give a green signal to the relegation system as it would affect the standing of losing franchises and it's directly related to the financial model of IPL, like the same amount of fixtures for each team.

6-month window idea seems to be on the table of BCCI but it's their long term goal, maybe in the next 15-20 years but it's definitely not gonna happen in this decade.

I think it might happen in a span of 10 years. The way IPL is growing right now I do not see this as an impossible task. .

For the relegation system or the IPL window to expand IPL needs to grow drastically in terms of teams, hypothetically let's say 10 more teams in the next decade.
 
But If we analyze the IPL expansion so far, then there is virtually no chance. I've mentioned earlier that the next 4 year deal is locked in based on 10 teams so there would be no expansion. There might be some chance of 12 teams (2 additional teams) IPL after the 2027 cycle.

[n0ne]

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I think it might happen in a span of 10 years. The way IPL is growing right now I do not see this as an impossible task. The only problem is that I do not trust cricket to actually stay alive after 20 years. Unless ICC changes some rules. Cricket is not going to survive only throughout the Indian and Pakistani players, if you know what I mean.

Cricket will be well and alive as long as people are interested in them and the reason IPL and India is able to generate huge revenue than any other country is because of the fan base and the ability to fill any stadium whenever a match is played and the TRP rating they are receiving. Australia, New Zealand and England along with the other Asian countries are the major teams and it will be like that for the decades to come and the present fan base wont be diminishing.

Agreed, it is the followers that make cricket more popular and people of India celebrates it. In Bangladesh for a win against India, the government declared it a national holiday. This is how countries have given importance to cricket. Along with these countries more countries have grown well amidst the infrastructure and economic situation in the country. Few of which were Nepal and Afghanistan which will turn to be strong team in the coming years. European countries celebrate football in similar style and Asian countries does it with cricket.

[Rabata]

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I think it might happen in a span of 10 years. The way IPL is growing right now I do not see this as an impossible task. The only problem is that I do not trust cricket to actually stay alive after 20 years. Unless ICC changes some rules. Cricket is not going to survive only throughout the Indian and Pakistani players, if you know what I mean.

Cricket will be well and alive as long as people are interested in them and the reason IPL and India is able to generate huge revenue than any other country is because of the fan base and the ability to fill any stadium whenever a match is played and the TRP rating they are receiving. Australia, New Zealand and England along with the other Asian countries are the major teams and it will be like that for the decades to come and the present fan base wont be diminishing.

Of course, India currently contributes a large share to the ICC's revenue, which is difficult to say whether any other cricket-loving nation would do. Because India is leading both in terms of popularity and population. Moreover, not only in Asia, India is currently leading the world in cricket. Every major cricketing country has a franchise cricket tournament but IPL is much more revenue generating with viewership than all those tournaments. Among the ICC's 12 full member countries, Asian countries have maintained a dominant position. It  is easily recognize that cricket is now under the control of Asia.

[Patrol69]

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I think it might happen in a span of 10 years. The way IPL is growing right now I do not see this as an impossible task. The only problem is that I do not trust cricket to actually stay alive after 20 years. Unless ICC changes some rules. Cricket is not going to survive only throughout the Indian and Pakistani players, if you know what I mean.

Cricket will be well and alive as long as people are interested in them and the reason IPL and India is able to generate huge revenue than any other country is because of the fan base and the ability to fill any stadium whenever a match is played and the TRP rating they are receiving. Australia, New Zealand and England along with the other Asian countries are the major teams and it will be like that for the decades to come and the present fan base wont be diminishing.

Agreed, it is the followers that make cricket more popular and people of India celebrates it. In Bangladesh for a win against India, the government declared it a national holiday. This is how countries have given importance to cricket. Along with these countries more countries have grown well amidst the infrastructure and economic situation in the country. Few of which were Nepal and Afghanistan which will turn to be strong team in the coming years. European countries celebrate football in similar style and Asian countries does it with cricket.

Asian continent cricket is beautiful and people of this continent enjoy cricket very much. Especially India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nepal, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka have huge fans of cricket. Nepal has qualified for the upcoming Asia Cup and Asia Cup qualifiers. 
In the qualifying matches of Nepal, I saw how much the people of Nepal can be cricket lovers. There was no empty space in the stadium where the game was played and those who could not get a seat in the stadium climbed the trees to enjoy the game thus supporting Nepal. And I believe if Nepal gets such support then Nepal will qualify for World Cup. 

A look at the studios shows how much Asian people love cricket.

[darewaller]

ICC has also made a rule that the teams which perform better will get more money. That is another problem because the teams which have foreign players in the squad are almost always going to perform better than any native squad. So that creates a loophole which actually benefits the teams which have foreign players in the squad. ICC should change the rules as soon as possible otherwise, it is actually going to result in the death of cricket.

The eligibility rules were changed in order to favor teams like the United Arab Emirates and the United States of America, who are the blue eyed boys of the ICC. The ICC even suggested the same to Chinese officials, but they hit back by saying that they won't include foreigners in their national team. I don't think that the eligibility criteria will be changed further. Because native cricket in Europe has almost become extinct outside England. Previously teams like Danmark and Italy used to field 100% native squads and they were among the best associate teams. But now they are fielding 100% foreigner teams and their rankings have gone down. Cricket clubs are closing down in these countries.

As things are going right now in Europe and England most chances we will have 100% players from Sub-continent because their native players are not going to have any interest in this game even now I was checking England is struggling with many players from Sub-continent are involved in counties which is big change and no one can do anything with mostly English youths are interested in Soccer and Rugby because it's their premier game.

If ECB fail to create anything positive for their youths then surely they could be big loser in this all because soccer and rugby players earning are far better than cricket players which is surely not ideal situation and ICC is surely had no intention to change their policies which are most important for giving back-up to these countries with the UAE and Gulf are surely taking good advantage of this all.

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I think it might happen in a span of 10 years. The way IPL is growing right now I do not see this as an impossible task. The only problem is that I do not trust cricket to actually stay alive after 20 years. Unless ICC changes some rules. Cricket is not going to survive only throughout the Indian and Pakistani players, if you know what I mean.

Cricket will be well and alive as long as people are interested in them and the reason IPL and India is able to generate huge revenue than any other country is because of the fan base and the ability to fill any stadium whenever a match is played and the TRP rating they are receiving. Australia, New Zealand and England along with the other Asian countries are the major teams and it will be like that for the decades to come and the present fan base wont be diminishing.

Agreed, it is the followers that make cricket more popular and people of India celebrates it. In Bangladesh for a win against India, the government declared it a national holiday. This is how countries have given importance to cricket. Along with these countries more countries have grown well amidst the infrastructure and economic situation in the country. Few of which were Nepal and Afghanistan which will turn to be strong team in the coming years. European countries celebrate football in similar style and Asian countries does it with cricket.

Asian continent cricket is beautiful and people of this continent enjoy cricket very much. Especially India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nepal, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka have huge fans of cricket. Nepal has qualified for the upcoming Asia Cup and Asia Cup qualifiers. 
In the qualifying matches of Nepal, I saw how much the people of Nepal can be cricket lovers. There was no empty space in the stadium where the game was played and those who could not get a seat in the stadium climbed the trees to enjoy the game thus supporting Nepal. And I believe if Nepal gets such support then Nepal will qualify for World Cup. 

A look at the studios shows how much Asian people love cricket.

That true Asia whole is a cricket loving continent, most of the countries have successful team and there is diversity if talents in Asia that's why European countries and middle east cricket teams are made up of all the Asian players . They don't have many native players with them.

[Minor Miner]

I think it might happen in a span of 10 years. The way IPL is growing right now I do not see this as an impossible task. .

For the relegation system or the IPL window to expand IPL needs to grow drastically in terms of teams, hypothetically let's say 10 more teams in the next decade.
 
But If we analyze the IPL expansion so far, then there is virtually no chance. I've mentioned earlier that the next 4 year deal is locked in based on 10 teams so there would be no expansion. There might be some chance of 12 teams (2 additional teams) IPL after the 2027 cycle.

I personally think it can be done even with 15 teams. I will also say that India as a country has enough players to actually have 15 total teams in the IPL. Money is also not a problem so they can bring in foreign players as well. But sometimes we see the big investors tend to invest in the teams that are well established. So that can be a problem while trying to increase the number of teams in the IPL. But I believe if there is a relegation system the IPL is going to be more interesting.

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I think it might happen in a span of 10 years. The way IPL is growing right now I do not see this as an impossible task. The only problem is that I do not trust cricket to actually stay alive after 20 years. Unless ICC changes some rules. Cricket is not going to survive only throughout the Indian and Pakistani players, if you know what I mean.

Cricket will be well and alive as long as people are interested in them and the reason IPL and India is able to generate huge revenue than any other country is because of the fan base and the ability to fill any stadium whenever a match is played and the TRP rating they are receiving. Australia, New Zealand and England along with the other Asian countries are the major teams and it will be like that for the decades to come and the present fan base wont be diminishing.

It is true that the IPL is self-sufficient. And as long as the Indian people are interested in the IPL they are going to continue to improve and flourish. Even if cricket is somehow dead in the West I believe it is going to be alive in the subcontinent and the IPL will also do well. But we all know that things can change very quickly. And I also said that-

 "cricket is not going to survive throughout only Indian and Pakistani players"

By that I meant cricket is not going to survive if the associate nations keep making national teams with Indian and Pakistani players. They will have to find players of their own.

[JSRAW]

I think it might happen in a span of 10 years. The way IPL is growing right now I do not see this as an impossible task. .

For the relegation system or the IPL window to expand IPL needs to grow drastically in terms of teams, hypothetically let's say 10 more teams in the next decade.
 
But If we analyze the IPL expansion so far, then there is virtually no chance. I've mentioned earlier that the next 4 year deal is locked in based on 10 teams so there would be no expansion. There might be some chance of 12 teams (2 additional teams) IPL after the 2027 cycle.

I personally think it can be done even with 15 teams. I will also say that India as a country has enough players to actually have 15 total teams in the IPL. Money is also not a problem so they can bring in foreign players as well. But sometimes we see the big investors tend to invest in the teams that are well established. So that can be a problem while trying to increase the number of teams in the IPL. But I believe if there is a relegation system the IPL is going to be more interesting.

Yeah, enough talent to entertain more teams and 15-16/more teams should be BCCI's goal and i am sure they want the same in the longer run.

But these things won't happen in this decade because atm they can't add more teams in the current cycle (2023-27 -media rights deal-) and if we have to guess then the next cycle would follow the same pattern and if it does then we are looking at 12 teams IPL from 2028-32) at best.

[Dimitri94]

It is true that the IPL is self-sufficient. And as long as the Indian people are interested in the IPL they are going to continue to improve and flourish. Even if cricket is somehow dead in the West I believe it is going to be alive in the subcontinent and the IPL will also do well. But we all know that things can change very quickly. And I also said that-

 "cricket is not going to survive throughout only Indian and Pakistani players"

By that I meant cricket is not going to survive if the associate nations keep making national teams with Indian and Pakistani players. They will have to find players of their own.

We can easily say that IPL has been able to drastically change the image of cricket. Franchise cricket tournaments in other countries have not gained much popularity since the start of IPL. Cricket was once invented by the West but now it is controlled by Indian subcontinent. Especially India and Pakistan are known as big cricket countries. But in terms of popularity, India is still at the top of all. I totally agree with you on this. Without native cricketers, the cricket of that country can never prosper. There will be no cricket fans. Those who are trying to play cricket by foreign players will have to conduct cricket in the same way for the life time.

[Minor Miner]

Yeah, enough talent to entertain more teams and 15-16/more teams should be BCCI's goal and i am sure they want the same in the longer run.

But these things won't happen in this decade because atm they can't add more teams in the current cycle (2023-27 -media rights deal-) and if we have to guess then the next cycle would follow the same pattern and if it does then we are looking at 12 teams IPL from 2028-32) at best.

Well if it is only 12 teams then it is going to be hard to actually put on a system like the relegation zone. Because I don't think only two teams having a separate kind of league is actually something that makes sense. At the same time, it does not make sense to put 4 teams in another separate league when you only have 8 in the main one after that. So, personally, I don't see the relegation system put on by the IPL anytime soon I guess. But it would have been really incredible to see.

[JSRAW]

Yeah, enough talent to entertain more teams and 15-16/more teams should be BCCI's goal and i am sure they want the same in the longer run.

But these things won't happen in this decade because atm they can't add more teams in the current cycle (2023-27 -media rights deal-) and if we have to guess then the next cycle would follow the same pattern and if it does then we are looking at 12 teams IPL from 2028-32) at best.

Well if it is only 12 teams then it is going to be hard to actually put on a system like the relegation zone. Because I don't think only two teams having a separate kind of league is actually something that makes sense. At the same time, it does not make sense to put 4 teams in another separate league when you only have 8 in the main one after that. So, personally, I don't see the relegation system put on by the IPL anytime soon I guess. But it would have been really incredible to see.

In my reading, there is no scope for relegation in the IPL even if we get 20-ish teams competition.

Saying this because IPL has become a printing money affair, followed by entertainment and a pinch of competitiveness. Also, franchises won't like this idea due to financial reasons.

[MinMan]

In my reading, there is no scope for relegation in the IPL even if we get 20-ish teams competition.

Saying this because IPL has become a printing money affair, followed by entertainment and a pinch of competitiveness. Also, franchises won't like this idea due to financial reasons.

Right now 10 teams system is really impressive for them with BCCI needs to work on all aspects because jumping into any other way because they need to check all plus and negative points as well which are most important because as they are going this could be one of the most profitable in sports history and if I am not going wrong then surely they need to study about the USA sports system because this could be more profitable for them as there is also no relegation system, and they are growing sports positively here if they do few changes and work on structure and system cricket could be at his best here in this region.

Three, four months game and player could be most beneficial with this and franchise will be also having good revenue from this all but in near future surely these things also need few changes as well.

[Sithara007]

In my reading, there is no scope for relegation in the IPL even if we get 20-ish teams competition.

Saying this because IPL has become a printing money affair, followed by entertainment and a pinch of competitiveness. Also, franchises won't like this idea due to financial reasons.

Agreed. It took them 15 years to start the WPL, because the franchises were concerned that it will impact the popularity of the Indian Premier League. Under these circumstances, there is zero chance that they will agree for a second division franchise league for men, especially if there are clauses for promotion and relegation. Imagine the two bottom ranking teams - Hyderabad Sunrisers and Delhi Capitals not playing in the next season's IPL. How much losses will the owners of these two franchises incur? It is simply not practical.

[JSRAW]

In my reading, there is no scope for relegation in the IPL even if we get 20-ish teams competition.

Saying this because IPL has become a printing money affair, followed by entertainment and a pinch of competitiveness. Also, franchises won't like this idea due to financial reasons.

Agreed. It took them 15 years to start the WPL, because the franchises were concerned that it will impact the popularity of the Indian Premier League. Under these circumstances, there is zero chance that they will agree for a second division franchise league for men, especially if there are clauses for promotion and relegation. Imagine the two bottom ranking teams - Hyderabad Sunrisers and Delhi Capitals not playing in the next season's IPL. How much losses will the owners of these two franchises incur? It is simply not practical.

Or worse if big money making franchises like CSK, MI and RCB go down at the point table.

These guys attract the maximum number of eyeballs and contribute significantly in IPL's revenue pot so one can imagine, what would happen if there is a relegation system in place.

[Sithara007]

Or worse if big money making franchises like CSK, MI and RCB go down at the point table.

These guys attract the maximum number of eyeballs and contribute significantly in IPL's revenue pot so one can imagine, what would happen if there is a relegation system in place.

The best thing to do is to remove the limit on team purse and allow them to purchase players as they please (similar to the case with English Premier League). The franchises that you have mentioned (CSK, RCB, MI, KKR.etc) are quite rich, and maybe able to afford the top players. This will eliminate any chances of these franchises getting relegated. But then, even if they get relegated, it will have its own benefits. The division 2 league in that case will get a lot of attention, and in the end the BCCI will end up even richer. But none of this is going to happen for the next 20 years at least.