Cricket match prediction discussions

[darewaller]

ICC has also made a rule that the teams which perform better will get more money. That is another problem because the teams which have foreign players in the squad are almost always going to perform better than any native squad. So that creates a loophole which actually benefits the teams which have foreign players in the squad. ICC should change the rules as soon as possible otherwise, it is actually going to result in the death of cricket.

The eligibility rules were changed in order to favor teams like the United Arab Emirates and the United States of America, who are the blue eyed boys of the ICC. The ICC even suggested the same to Chinese officials, but they hit back by saying that they won't include foreigners in their national team. I don't think that the eligibility criteria will be changed further. Because native cricket in Europe has almost become extinct outside England. Previously teams like Danmark and Italy used to field 100% native squads and they were among the best associate teams. But now they are fielding 100% foreigner teams and their rankings have gone down. Cricket clubs are closing down in these countries.

As things are going right now in Europe and England most chances we will have 100% players from Sub-continent because their native players are not going to have any interest in this game even now I was checking England is struggling with many players from Sub-continent are involved in counties which is big change and no one can do anything with mostly English youths are interested in Soccer and Rugby because it's their premier game.

If ECB fail to create anything positive for their youths then surely they could be big loser in this all because soccer and rugby players earning are far better than cricket players which is surely not ideal situation and ICC is surely had no intention to change their policies which are most important for giving back-up to these countries with the UAE and Gulf are surely taking good advantage of this all.

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I think it might happen in a span of 10 years. The way IPL is growing right now I do not see this as an impossible task. The only problem is that I do not trust cricket to actually stay alive after 20 years. Unless ICC changes some rules. Cricket is not going to survive only throughout the Indian and Pakistani players, if you know what I mean.

Cricket will be well and alive as long as people are interested in them and the reason IPL and India is able to generate huge revenue than any other country is because of the fan base and the ability to fill any stadium whenever a match is played and the TRP rating they are receiving. Australia, New Zealand and England along with the other Asian countries are the major teams and it will be like that for the decades to come and the present fan base wont be diminishing.

Agreed, it is the followers that make cricket more popular and people of India celebrates it. In Bangladesh for a win against India, the government declared it a national holiday. This is how countries have given importance to cricket. Along with these countries more countries have grown well amidst the infrastructure and economic situation in the country. Few of which were Nepal and Afghanistan which will turn to be strong team in the coming years. European countries celebrate football in similar style and Asian countries does it with cricket.

Asian continent cricket is beautiful and people of this continent enjoy cricket very much. Especially India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nepal, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka have huge fans of cricket. Nepal has qualified for the upcoming Asia Cup and Asia Cup qualifiers. 
In the qualifying matches of Nepal, I saw how much the people of Nepal can be cricket lovers. There was no empty space in the stadium where the game was played and those who could not get a seat in the stadium climbed the trees to enjoy the game thus supporting Nepal. And I believe if Nepal gets such support then Nepal will qualify for World Cup. 

A look at the studios shows how much Asian people love cricket.

That true Asia whole is a cricket loving continent, most of the countries have successful team and there is diversity if talents in Asia that's why European countries and middle east cricket teams are made up of all the Asian players . They don't have many native players with them.

[Minor Miner]

I think it might happen in a span of 10 years. The way IPL is growing right now I do not see this as an impossible task. .

For the relegation system or the IPL window to expand IPL needs to grow drastically in terms of teams, hypothetically let's say 10 more teams in the next decade.
 
But If we analyze the IPL expansion so far, then there is virtually no chance. I've mentioned earlier that the next 4 year deal is locked in based on 10 teams so there would be no expansion. There might be some chance of 12 teams (2 additional teams) IPL after the 2027 cycle.

I personally think it can be done even with 15 teams. I will also say that India as a country has enough players to actually have 15 total teams in the IPL. Money is also not a problem so they can bring in foreign players as well. But sometimes we see the big investors tend to invest in the teams that are well established. So that can be a problem while trying to increase the number of teams in the IPL. But I believe if there is a relegation system the IPL is going to be more interesting.

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I think it might happen in a span of 10 years. The way IPL is growing right now I do not see this as an impossible task. The only problem is that I do not trust cricket to actually stay alive after 20 years. Unless ICC changes some rules. Cricket is not going to survive only throughout the Indian and Pakistani players, if you know what I mean.

Cricket will be well and alive as long as people are interested in them and the reason IPL and India is able to generate huge revenue than any other country is because of the fan base and the ability to fill any stadium whenever a match is played and the TRP rating they are receiving. Australia, New Zealand and England along with the other Asian countries are the major teams and it will be like that for the decades to come and the present fan base wont be diminishing.

It is true that the IPL is self-sufficient. And as long as the Indian people are interested in the IPL they are going to continue to improve and flourish. Even if cricket is somehow dead in the West I believe it is going to be alive in the subcontinent and the IPL will also do well. But we all know that things can change very quickly. And I also said that-

 "cricket is not going to survive throughout only Indian and Pakistani players"

By that I meant cricket is not going to survive if the associate nations keep making national teams with Indian and Pakistani players. They will have to find players of their own.

[JSRAW]

I think it might happen in a span of 10 years. The way IPL is growing right now I do not see this as an impossible task. .

For the relegation system or the IPL window to expand IPL needs to grow drastically in terms of teams, hypothetically let's say 10 more teams in the next decade.
 
But If we analyze the IPL expansion so far, then there is virtually no chance. I've mentioned earlier that the next 4 year deal is locked in based on 10 teams so there would be no expansion. There might be some chance of 12 teams (2 additional teams) IPL after the 2027 cycle.

I personally think it can be done even with 15 teams. I will also say that India as a country has enough players to actually have 15 total teams in the IPL. Money is also not a problem so they can bring in foreign players as well. But sometimes we see the big investors tend to invest in the teams that are well established. So that can be a problem while trying to increase the number of teams in the IPL. But I believe if there is a relegation system the IPL is going to be more interesting.

Yeah, enough talent to entertain more teams and 15-16/more teams should be BCCI's goal and i am sure they want the same in the longer run.

But these things won't happen in this decade because atm they can't add more teams in the current cycle (2023-27 -media rights deal-) and if we have to guess then the next cycle would follow the same pattern and if it does then we are looking at 12 teams IPL from 2028-32) at best.

[Dimitri94]

It is true that the IPL is self-sufficient. And as long as the Indian people are interested in the IPL they are going to continue to improve and flourish. Even if cricket is somehow dead in the West I believe it is going to be alive in the subcontinent and the IPL will also do well. But we all know that things can change very quickly. And I also said that-

 "cricket is not going to survive throughout only Indian and Pakistani players"

By that I meant cricket is not going to survive if the associate nations keep making national teams with Indian and Pakistani players. They will have to find players of their own.

We can easily say that IPL has been able to drastically change the image of cricket. Franchise cricket tournaments in other countries have not gained much popularity since the start of IPL. Cricket was once invented by the West but now it is controlled by Indian subcontinent. Especially India and Pakistan are known as big cricket countries. But in terms of popularity, India is still at the top of all. I totally agree with you on this. Without native cricketers, the cricket of that country can never prosper. There will be no cricket fans. Those who are trying to play cricket by foreign players will have to conduct cricket in the same way for the life time.

[Minor Miner]

Yeah, enough talent to entertain more teams and 15-16/more teams should be BCCI's goal and i am sure they want the same in the longer run.

But these things won't happen in this decade because atm they can't add more teams in the current cycle (2023-27 -media rights deal-) and if we have to guess then the next cycle would follow the same pattern and if it does then we are looking at 12 teams IPL from 2028-32) at best.

Well if it is only 12 teams then it is going to be hard to actually put on a system like the relegation zone. Because I don't think only two teams having a separate kind of league is actually something that makes sense. At the same time, it does not make sense to put 4 teams in another separate league when you only have 8 in the main one after that. So, personally, I don't see the relegation system put on by the IPL anytime soon I guess. But it would have been really incredible to see.

[JSRAW]

Yeah, enough talent to entertain more teams and 15-16/more teams should be BCCI's goal and i am sure they want the same in the longer run.

But these things won't happen in this decade because atm they can't add more teams in the current cycle (2023-27 -media rights deal-) and if we have to guess then the next cycle would follow the same pattern and if it does then we are looking at 12 teams IPL from 2028-32) at best.

Well if it is only 12 teams then it is going to be hard to actually put on a system like the relegation zone. Because I don't think only two teams having a separate kind of league is actually something that makes sense. At the same time, it does not make sense to put 4 teams in another separate league when you only have 8 in the main one after that. So, personally, I don't see the relegation system put on by the IPL anytime soon I guess. But it would have been really incredible to see.

In my reading, there is no scope for relegation in the IPL even if we get 20-ish teams competition.

Saying this because IPL has become a printing money affair, followed by entertainment and a pinch of competitiveness. Also, franchises won't like this idea due to financial reasons.

[MinMan]

In my reading, there is no scope for relegation in the IPL even if we get 20-ish teams competition.

Saying this because IPL has become a printing money affair, followed by entertainment and a pinch of competitiveness. Also, franchises won't like this idea due to financial reasons.

Right now 10 teams system is really impressive for them with BCCI needs to work on all aspects because jumping into any other way because they need to check all plus and negative points as well which are most important because as they are going this could be one of the most profitable in sports history and if I am not going wrong then surely they need to study about the USA sports system because this could be more profitable for them as there is also no relegation system, and they are growing sports positively here if they do few changes and work on structure and system cricket could be at his best here in this region.

Three, four months game and player could be most beneficial with this and franchise will be also having good revenue from this all but in near future surely these things also need few changes as well.

[Sithara007]

In my reading, there is no scope for relegation in the IPL even if we get 20-ish teams competition.

Saying this because IPL has become a printing money affair, followed by entertainment and a pinch of competitiveness. Also, franchises won't like this idea due to financial reasons.

Agreed. It took them 15 years to start the WPL, because the franchises were concerned that it will impact the popularity of the Indian Premier League. Under these circumstances, there is zero chance that they will agree for a second division franchise league for men, especially if there are clauses for promotion and relegation. Imagine the two bottom ranking teams - Hyderabad Sunrisers and Delhi Capitals not playing in the next season's IPL. How much losses will the owners of these two franchises incur? It is simply not practical.

[JSRAW]

In my reading, there is no scope for relegation in the IPL even if we get 20-ish teams competition.

Saying this because IPL has become a printing money affair, followed by entertainment and a pinch of competitiveness. Also, franchises won't like this idea due to financial reasons.

Agreed. It took them 15 years to start the WPL, because the franchises were concerned that it will impact the popularity of the Indian Premier League. Under these circumstances, there is zero chance that they will agree for a second division franchise league for men, especially if there are clauses for promotion and relegation. Imagine the two bottom ranking teams - Hyderabad Sunrisers and Delhi Capitals not playing in the next season's IPL. How much losses will the owners of these two franchises incur? It is simply not practical.

Or worse if big money making franchises like CSK, MI and RCB go down at the point table.

These guys attract the maximum number of eyeballs and contribute significantly in IPL's revenue pot so one can imagine, what would happen if there is a relegation system in place.

[Sithara007]

Or worse if big money making franchises like CSK, MI and RCB go down at the point table.

These guys attract the maximum number of eyeballs and contribute significantly in IPL's revenue pot so one can imagine, what would happen if there is a relegation system in place.

The best thing to do is to remove the limit on team purse and allow them to purchase players as they please (similar to the case with English Premier League). The franchises that you have mentioned (CSK, RCB, MI, KKR.etc) are quite rich, and maybe able to afford the top players. This will eliminate any chances of these franchises getting relegated. But then, even if they get relegated, it will have its own benefits. The division 2 league in that case will get a lot of attention, and in the end the BCCI will end up even richer. But none of this is going to happen for the next 20 years at least.

[JSRAW]

Or worse if big money making franchises like CSK, MI and RCB go down at the point table.

These guys attract the maximum number of eyeballs and contribute significantly in IPL's revenue pot so one can imagine, what would happen if there is a relegation system in place.

The best thing to do is to remove the limit on team purse and allow them to purchase players as they please (similar to the case with English Premier League). The franchises that you have mentioned (CSK, RCB, MI, KKR.etc) are quite rich, and maybe able to afford the top players. This will eliminate any chances of these franchises getting relegated. But then, even if they get relegated, it will have its own benefits. The division 2 league in that case will get a lot of attention, and in the end the BCCI will end up even richer. But none of this is going to happen for the next 20 years at least.

If they do then Ambani and Adani will sweep every auction and buy every major player by outbidding everyone. RCB and CSK's owners do have money but i guess they won't be able to compete with the former duo.

So overall putting a cap on team purse is not a bad idea as it provides a level playing field to every stakeholder.

[Litzki1990]

It is true that the IPL is self-sufficient. And as long as the Indian people are interested in the IPL they are going to continue to improve and flourish. Even if cricket is somehow dead in the West I believe it is going to be alive in the subcontinent and the IPL will also do well. But we all know that things can change very quickly. And I also said that-

 "cricket is not going to survive throughout only Indian and Pakistani players"

By that I meant cricket is not going to survive if the associate nations keep making national teams with Indian and Pakistani players. They will have to find players of their own.

We can easily say that IPL has been able to drastically change the image of cricket. Franchise cricket tournaments in other countries have not gained much popularity since the start of IPL. Cricket was once invented by the West but now it is controlled by Indian subcontinent. Especially India and Pakistan are known as big cricket countries. But in terms of popularity, India is still at the top of all. I totally agree with you on this. Without native cricketers, the cricket of that country can never prosper. There will be no cricket fans. Those who are trying to play cricket by foreign players will have to conduct cricket in the same way for the life time.

It would be wrong to say that cricket is popular only in India and Pakistan because cricket is very popular in several Asian countries including India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. But India will undoubtedly go all the way in terms of hosting and supporting cricket.  Because only India created a stir in the cricket world by starting the domestic league, various countries such as Australia (BBL), Bangladesh, (BPL), Pakistan (PSL), West Indies (CPL), Sri Lanka (LPL), organized these domestic leagues. And every country is getting huge popularity by organizing these leagues, the main reason is that domestic and foreign cricketers have great games in these domestic leagues. These franchise leagues in different countries have taken cricket to another level.

[Minor Miner]

In my reading, there is no scope for relegation in the IPL even if we get 20-ish teams competition.
Saying this because IPL has become a printing money affair, followed by entertainment and a pinch of competitiveness. Also, franchises won't like this idea due to financial reasons.

Agreed. It took them 15 years to start the WPL, because the franchises were concerned that it will impact the popularity of the Indian Premier League. Under these circumstances, there is zero chance that they will agree for a second division franchise league for men, especially if there are clauses for promotion and relegation. Imagine the two bottom ranking teams - Hyderabad Sunrisers and Delhi Capitals not playing in the next season's IPL. How much losses will the owners of these two franchises incur? It is simply not practical.

Or worse if big money making franchises like CSK, MI and RCB go down at the point table.
These guys attract the maximum number of eyeballs and contribute significantly in IPL's revenue pot so one can imagine, what would happen if there is a relegation system in place.

I agree. Giving any/all franchises an unlimited amount of money is going to be a very bad decision to take. We will see that those who have money are going to get almost all the important and good players. There is going to be a huge imbalance and it is certainly not going to work out.

And about the relegation system, I also agree that if the franchise who are very big does get relegated, it is going to be a big problem and there will be a dip in the viewership. BCCI does not want that. So that is a big reason why I think we might not ever see a relegation system in the IPL.

[Sithara007]

If they do then Ambani and Adani will sweep every auction and buy every major player by outbidding everyone. RCB and CSK's owners do have money but i guess they won't be able to compete with the former duo.

So overall putting a cap on team purse is not a bad idea as it provides a level playing field to every stakeholder.

Well.. that's what free market means. And don't underestimate the other players. Ambani and Adani maybe rich, but other franchise owners are also billionaires. For example, Lucknow Super Giants was purchased by Sanjiv Goenka for a massive amount of ₹7,090 crores. If he can spend this much for the franchise, then what stops him from spending ₹50 crore for Virat Kohli or Mohammad Shami? If such a system is in place, it will benefit the players immensely. Their salaries are going to go up by 5x or even 10x. IPL players will become some of the most expensive athletes in the world.

[Rabata]

It is true that the IPL is self-sufficient. And as long as the Indian people are interested in the IPL they are going to continue to improve and flourish. Even if cricket is somehow dead in the West I believe it is going to be alive in the subcontinent and the IPL will also do well. But we all know that things can change very quickly. And I also said that-

 "cricket is not going to survive throughout only Indian and Pakistani players"

By that I meant cricket is not going to survive if the associate nations keep making national teams with Indian and Pakistani players. They will have to find players of their own.

We can easily say that IPL has been able to drastically change the image of cricket. Franchise cricket tournaments in other countries have not gained much popularity since the start of IPL. Cricket was once invented by the West but now it is controlled by Indian subcontinent. Especially India and Pakistan are known as big cricket countries. But in terms of popularity, India is still at the top of all. I totally agree with you on this. Without native cricketers, the cricket of that country can never prosper. There will be no cricket fans. Those who are trying to play cricket by foreign players will have to conduct cricket in the same way for the life time.

It would be wrong to say that cricket is popular only in India and Pakistan because cricket is very popular in several Asian countries including India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. But India will undoubtedly go all the way in terms of hosting and supporting cricket.  Because only India created a stir in the cricket world by starting the domestic league, various countries such as Australia (BBL), Bangladesh, (BPL), Pakistan (PSL), West Indies (CPL), Sri Lanka (LPL), organized these domestic leagues. And every country is getting huge popularity by organizing these leagues, the main reason is that domestic and foreign cricketers have great games in these domestic leagues. These franchise leagues in different countries have taken cricket to another level.

Of course, every country in Asia is very much prominent in cricket. Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Afghanistan are each quite advanced in cricket. They certainly deserve praise. However, these countries are not equal to India or Pakistan, they are not behind in any area. I would agree with you that India is now a very suitable country to host almost all forms of cricket. To get this position, they have sacrificed almost many things like time, money, effort  hard work etc. Moreover, since franchise leagues are held at different times, each league in these countries is popular.

[JSRAW]

If they do then Ambani and Adani will sweep every auction and buy every major player by outbidding everyone. RCB and CSK's owners do have money but i guess they won't be able to compete with the former duo.

So overall putting a cap on team purse is not a bad idea as it provides a level playing field to every stakeholder.

Well.. that's what free market means. And don't underestimate the other players. Ambani and Adani maybe rich, but other franchise owners are also billionaires. For example, Lucknow Super Giants was purchased by Sanjiv Goenka for a massive amount of ₹7,090 crores. If he can spend this much for the franchise, then what stops him from spending ₹50 crore for Virat Kohli or Mohammad Shami? If such a system is in place, it will benefit the players immensely. Their salaries are going to go up by 5x or even 10x. IPL players will become some of the most expensive athletes in the world.

Yes, it does but a restriction on the purse came after all stakeholder consensus, hence the model was approved and they are gradually increasing the cap.

There is no doubt that it will definitely benefit the players but the way the auction goes I reckon a majority of the money would go to limited players.

I remember reading some reports last year that the franchise exhausts their 80%-85% purse on 4-5 players max and the rest of the 15%-20% goes to the remaining squad.

[Sithara007]

Yes, it does but a restriction on the purse came after all stakeholder consensus, hence the model was approved and they are gradually increasing the cap.

There is no doubt that it will definitely benefit the players but the way the auction goes I reckon a majority of the money would go to limited players.

I remember reading some reports last year that the franchise exhausts their 80%-85% purse on 4-5 players max and the rest of the 15%-20% goes to the remaining squad.

Well.. I don't agree with that. If there is free market, then the tier-2 player salaries are going to increase more than the top players. As of now, not enough purse is left after the franchises purchase their top players. This will change if the free market strategy is followed. Anyway, this will not happen until there is a major revamp of the Indian Premier League, which I am not expecting for the next 10-15 years. The current purse seems too low to compensate all the players adequately. Only around 10% to 15% of the IPL salaries are currently being spent on player salaries, which is very low when compared to other leagues. The media rights revenues have gone up steeply over the years. But player salaries have not witnessed any such raise.

[Patrol69]

If they do then Ambani and Adani will sweep every auction and buy every major player by outbidding everyone. RCB and CSK's owners do have money but i guess they won't be able to compete with the former duo.

So overall putting a cap on team purse is not a bad idea as it provides a level playing field to every stakeholder.

Well.. that's what free market means. And don't underestimate the other players. Ambani and Adani maybe rich, but other franchise owners are also billionaires. For example, Lucknow Super Giants was purchased by Sanjiv Goenka for a massive amount of ₹7,090 crores. If he can spend this much for the franchise, then what stops him from spending ₹50 crore for Virat Kohli or Mohammad Shami? If such a system is in place, it will benefit the players immensely. Their salaries are going to go up by 5x or even 10x. IPL players will become some of the most expensive athletes in the world.

Those who can buy teams for IPL can never have less money. Maybe Mukesh Ambani has a huge amount of money so the rest of the team owners are not financially weak. They usually express their willingness to buy a team by calculating how much an IPL can cost. Mumbai Indians bought players for a lot of money but other teams couldn't buy players for that much money seeing that other teams have less money.  If you look at Gujarat Titans you will see that the team did not buy that many notable players but still they finished runners up in this IPL. 

We always have to use money at the right time at the right place.

[Juggy777]

Yes, it does but a restriction on the purse came after all stakeholder consensus, hence the model was approved and they are gradually increasing the cap.

There is no doubt that it will definitely benefit the players but the way the auction goes I reckon a majority of the money would go to limited players.

I remember reading some reports last year that the franchise exhausts their 80%-85% purse on 4-5 players max and the rest of the 15%-20% goes to the remaining squad.

Well.. I don't agree with that. If there is free market, then the tier-2 player salaries are going to increase more than the top players. As of now, not enough purse is left after the franchises purchase their top players. This will change if the free market strategy is followed. Anyway, this will not happen until there is a major revamp of the Indian Premier League, which I am not expecting for the next 10-15 years. The current purse seems too low to compensate all the players adequately. Only around 10% to 15% of the IPL salaries are currently being spent on player salaries, which is very low when compared to other leagues. The media rights revenues have gone up steeply over the years. But player salaries have not witnessed any such raise.

@Sithara007 I too doubt that we will see a free market strategy for IPL player’s salary unless player’s collectively raise their voice against this system but then there’s always a risk that those player’s could then be boycotted by the franchise clubs. Lastly in the current scenario the only way a player can get a pay rise is by performing better then other’s or risk being getting the same low salary.