Why I'm an atheist

[Lambowei]

Doesn't there have to be a basis for good like there is a basis for bad? God is good. The devil is bad.

God doesn't exist.

[BADecker]

Doesn't there have to be a basis for good like there is a basis for bad? God is good. The devil is bad.

God doesn't exist.

Thank you for proving that you know He exists. How did you do it? You haven't checked out everywhere in the universe to see if He is there or not. So, you know that you don't know that He doesn't exist. By making your bold statement, you are setting yourself up as God.

The universe is a machine. Machines have makers.

Check out the scientific proof for God in the "Scientific proof that God exists?" thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0.

[notbatman]

^^^ That mad spinning carnival ride exists only in your head.

The house of God is a composite steel domed structure (the firmament) with electric lighting, that covers a stationary extended plain.

[BADecker]

^^^ That mad spinning carnival ride exists only in your head.

The house of God is a composite steel domed structure (the firmament) with electric lighting, that covers a stationary extended plain.

No steel dome enslavement, except maybe if you ask for it enough. Galatians 5:1:

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

[Lambowei]

Thank you for proving that you know He exists. How did you do it? You haven't checked out everywhere in the universe to see if He is there or not. So, you know that you don't know that He doesn't exist. By making your bold statement, you are setting yourself up as God.

Using the same reasoning, everything exists, including superman, unicorns and vampires.

The universe is a machine. Machines have makers.

Stars are complex thermonuclear machines that have no maker, they are generated spontaneously. Not all machines have makers.

God doesn't exist.

 

[BADecker]

Thank you for proving that you know He exists. How did you do it? You haven't checked out everywhere in the universe to see if He is there or not. So, you know that you don't know that He doesn't exist. By making your bold statement, you are setting yourself up as God.

Using the same reasoning, everything exists, including superman, unicorns and vampires.

The universe is a machine. Machines have makers.

Stars are complex thermonuclear machines that have no maker, they are generated spontaneously. Not all machines have makers.

God doesn't exist.

 

First there was the Model-A. Now we have complexity way beyond the Model-A. The complexity of nature is way beyond anything that we can even imagine. Complexity comes from intelligence. Look at the cars. God is the maker of the universe. He might be way too complex to even start to consider what He is. But he did quite an intelligent job of making the universe.

Besides, you get similar spectral readings from an electric plasma as you do from a nuclear plasma. Nobody has gone to the sun to prove it is nuclear rather then electric plasma.

Btw, if "superman, unicorns and vampires" are the ones who made the universe, then they are God.

[Lambowei]

First there was the Model-A. Now we have complexity way beyond the Model-A. The complexity of nature is way beyond anything that we can even imagine. Complexity comes from intelligence.

You obviously have no idea of what you're talking about. Complexity can come from very simple rules (the laws of physics, for example). Nothing intelligent about it, it's just a big system with simple rules, that if you have billions of elements/atoms following these rules, complexity simply arises. It doesn't even have to be the laws of physics, you can get very complex behaviours from random rules, simulated in the computer. Example: fractals.

Look at the cars. God is the maker of the universe. He might be way too complex to even start to consider what He is. But he did quite an intelligent job of making the universe.

God doesn't exist.

[BADecker]

First there was the Model-A. Now we have complexity way beyond the Model-A. The complexity of nature is way beyond anything that we can even imagine. Complexity comes from intelligence.

You obviously have no idea of what you're talking about. Complexity can come from very simple rules (the laws of physics, for example). Nothing intelligent about it, it's just a big system with simple rules, that if you have billions of elements/atoms following these rules, complexity simply arises. It doesn't even have to be the laws of physics, you can get very complex behaviours from random rules, simulated in the computer. Example: fractals.

Look at the cars. God is the maker of the universe. He might be way too complex to even start to consider what He is. But he did quite an intelligent job of making the universe.

God doesn't exist.

You obviously have no idea of what you're talking about. In order for a very simple rule to exist, there has to be complexity that is complex enough to make rules... rules like the rules found in the laws of physics, for example.

What is there that is complex enough to make the rules of the laws of physics? Entropy says that everything becomes less complex, not more complex. If something more complex comes from something that is less complex, there is something even more complex that "programmed" the less complex to make the more complex.

We see nothing else in nature, except when we ignore some of what we are seeing.

God is complex way beyond our understanding of complexity.

[Lambowei]

You obviously have no idea of what you're talking about. In order for a very simple rule to exist, there has to be complexity that is complex enough to make rules... rules like the rules found in the laws of physics, for example.

Not really, rules can be generated just out of random noise.

What is there that is complex enough to make the rules of the laws of physics?

We don't know how the rules of physics came into existence, so you're speculating.

Entropy says that everything becomes less complex, not more complex.

Not really, and actually the opposite. Entropy is simply counting the number of possible microstates that are consistent with the macroscopic quantities of a system. Entropy for a closed system can only increase, so one could argue that (closed) systems tend to become more complex over time, not less complex.

God is complex way beyond our understanding of complexity.

There's no complexity in god, because god doesn't exist. Quite simple.

[BADecker]

You obviously have no idea of what you're talking about. In order for a very simple rule to exist, there has to be complexity that is complex enough to make rules... rules like the rules found in the laws of physics, for example.

Not really, rules can be generated just out of random noise.

"Random" simply means that we can't track the noise. Everything that we know of operates by cause and effect. There is no evidence of pure random, spontaneity. There is no pure random in the thing we call random noise.

What is there that is complex enough to make the rules of the laws of physics?

We don't know how the rules of physics came into existence, so you're speculating.

Thank you. Now you are saying that you are speculating when you say there is no God.

Entropy says that everything becomes less complex, not more complex.

Not really, and actually the opposite. Entropy is simply counting the number of possible microstates that are consistent with the macroscopic quantities of a system. Entropy for a closed system can only increase, so one could argue that (closed) systems tend to become more complex over time, not less complex.

You are focusing on the definition of entropy. But as I said, just because an area suddently has greater complexity produced by something that is less complex, the less complex was given the ability to produce something more complex than itself by something even more complex than this produced complexity.

In other words, Complexity-A produces Simplicity that has the ability to produce Complexity-B. But overall, Complexity-B is never greater than Complexity-A, except that there is something more complex than Complexity-A that made Complexity-A to be a form of simplicity. Ultimately everything exists in a state of continual entropy overall... except God, that is.

God is complex way beyond our understanding of complexity.

There's no complexity in god, because god doesn't exist. Quite simple.

There you go, contradicting the fact that you haven't examined every portion of the universe, micro and macro, to see if God is there. And you certainly haven't gone outside the universe to check there.



EDIT: Your faith in the idea that there is no God is self contradictory. Why? Because you are setting yourself up as God by claiming to believe something like there is no God. If you have faith that there is no God on the outside of your thinking, you absolutely know that such is false on the inside of your thinking... in your depths of thought.

[Lambowei]

"Random" simply means that we can't track the noise. Everything that we know of operates by cause and effect. There is no evidence of pure random, spontaneity. There is no pure random in the thing we call random noise.

I am very sorry to inform you we don't live in the XIX century anymore and what you're stating is not a scientific statement.

Thank you. Now you are saying that you are speculating when you say there is no God.

Now you're saying that you are speculating when you say god exists.

You are focusing on the definition of entropy.

Of course I am, entropy is what the definition of entropy says it is.

But as I said, just because an area suddently has greater complexity produced by something that is less complex, the less complex was given the ability to produce something more complex than itself by something even more complex than this produced complexity.

That's what you say, but it's not a scientific argument.

Ultimately everything exists in a state of continual entropy overall... except God, that is.

Ultimately, you don't know what the words you're using mean.

God is complex way beyond our understanding of complexity.

God doesn't exist. There's no complexity on that.

There you go, contradicting the fact that you haven't examined every portion of the universe, micro and macro, to see if God is there. And you certainly haven't gone outside the universe to check there.

You go first and recognise that your believe in god is just that, a belief, and then I'll try to be fair to you. How can I present a fair argument to someone that states senseless things like that there's a scientific demonstration that god exists? You go first and recognise yours is a believe, then I'll stop mocking you.

Until then: god doesn't exist.

[BADecker]

"Random" simply means that we can't track the noise. Everything that we know of operates by cause and effect. There is no evidence of pure random, spontaneity. There is no pure random in the thing we call random noise.

I am very sorry to inform you we don't live in the XIX century anymore and what you're stating is not a scientific statement.

Did somebody actually force you to say that we don't live in the XIX century anymore? Or do you enjoy being sad?

All you need do is look up the word "random" in dictionaries and encyclopedias to see that what I say is accurate.

Thank you. Now you are saying that you are speculating when you say there is no God.

Now you're saying that you are speculating when you say god exists.

Actually, the scientific proof that God exists is in the "Scientific proof that God exists?" thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0.

You are focusing on the definition of entropy.

Of course I am, entropy is what the definition of entropy says it is.

And the definition says (sometimes between the lines) that entropy exists in everything.

But as I said, just because an area suddently has greater complexity produced by something that is less complex, the less complex was given the ability to produce something more complex than itself by something even more complex than this produced complexity.

That's what you say, but it's not a scientific argument.

It's a scientific fact. No argument necessary.

Ultimately everything exists in a state of continual entropy overall... except God, that is.

Ultimately, you don't know what the words you're using mean.

So, you have been checking up on me, eh? Like you know what other people know.

God is complex way beyond our understanding of complexity.

God doesn't exist. There's no complexity on that.

There you go, calling yourself God again, by suggesting you know for a fact that God doesn't exist, even in all those places nobody has checked for Him yet.

There you go, contradicting the fact that you haven't examined every portion of the universe, micro and macro, to see if God is there. And you certainly haven't gone outside the universe to check there.

You go first and recognise that your believe in god is just that, a belief, and then I'll try to be fair to you. How can I present a fair argument to someone that states senseless things like that there's a scientific demonstration that god exists? You go first and recognise yours is a believe, then I'll stop mocking you.

Until then: god doesn't exist.

I went first a long time ago, and found the scientific proof that God exists - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0. I know why you won't go and look at the proof. It's because you don't want to. Be careful! Hiding reality from yourself is dangerous, especially when that reality is God.

[Lambowei]

All you need do is look up the word "random" in dictionaries and encyclopedias to see that what I say is accurate.

Actually, you should read encyclopedias more carefully as obviously you don't understand them.

Actually, the scientific proof that God exists is in the "Scientific proof that God exists?" thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0.

Actually, that "proof" is total nonsense and anti-scientific.

And the definition says (sometimes between the lines) that entropy exists in everything.

No it doesn't.

It's a scientific fact. No argument necessary.

Actually if it were a scientific fact it would require an argument.

So, you have been checking up on me, eh? Like you know what other people know.

I've read your posts and that's my conclusion. You have no idea of the meaning of the words you use.

There you go, calling yourself God again, by suggesting you know for a fact that God doesn't exist, even in all those places nobody has checked for Him yet.

I am no god, as it doesn't exist and I do exist.

I went first a long time ago, and found the scientific proof that God exists - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0. I know why you won't go and look at the proof. It's because you don't want to. Be careful! Hiding reality from yourself is dangerous, especially when that reality is God.

That's just anti-scientific bs.

And god doesn't exist.

[BADecker]

Blabber.

Okay. Anybody can continue to just blabber.

"Hello, Goodbye"

You say yes, I say no
You say stop and I say go go go, oh no
You say goodbye and I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello

I say high, you say low
You say why and I say I don't know, oh no
You say goodbye and I say hello
(Hello goodbye hello goodbye) Hello hello
(Hello goodbye) I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello
(Hello goodbye hello goodbye) Hello hello
(Hello goodbye) I don't know why you say goodbye
(Hello goodbye) I say hello/goodbye

Why why why why why why do you say goodbye goodbye, oh no?

You say goodbye and I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello

You say yes (I say yes) I say no (But I may mean no)
You say stop (I can stay) and I say go go go (Till it's time to go), oh
Oh no
You say goodbye and I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello hello

Hela heba helloa
Hela heba helloa, cha cha cha
Hela heba helloa, wooo
Hela heba helloa, hela
Hela heba helloa, cha cha cha
Hela heba helloa, wooo
Hela heba helloa, cha cah cah [fade out]

There you go, calling yourself God again, by suggesting you know for a fact that God doesn't exist, even in all those places nobody has checked for Him yet.

I am no god, as it doesn't exist and I do exist.

There you go, claiming you are God by having the godly ability to know and claim that there isn't any God. And you do it right in one, short sentence.

I went first a long time ago, and found the scientific proof that God exists - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0. I know why you won't go and look at the proof. It's because you don't want to. Be careful! Hiding reality from yourself is dangerous, especially when that reality is God.

That's just anti-scientific bs.

And god doesn't exist.

"You say yes, I say no..."  

All you are proving by your talk is that your atheism is a religion for you.

[Lambowei]

"You say yes, I say no..."  

All you are proving by your talk is that your atheism is a religion for you.

You're accusing me of atheism, but you believe that your belief in god is science. That's hypocrisy, isn't it?

[BADecker]

"You say yes, I say no..."  

All you are proving by your talk is that your atheism is a religion for you.

You're accusing me of atheism, but you believe that your belief in god is science. That's hypocrisy, isn't it?

There is a difference between knowing that God exists, and believing in Him. You absolutely know your banker exists. But you only believe that he will take good care of your money in your savings account.

Since you have constantly been saying that there is no God, where am I accusing you of atheism? You simply haven't checked into the logic of your own atheism religion to see that it is a religion, because you absolutely know that you don't know that God doesn't exist. You just blab that He doesn't exist.

Of course, you could simply be lying about it all, just for the reaction.

[Lambowei]

There is a difference between knowing that God exists, and believing in Him. You absolutely know your banker exists. But you only believe that he will take good care of your money in your savings account.

Your arguments are bullshit and not scientific, thus yours is a simple belief.

Since you have constantly been saying that there is no God, where am I accusing you of atheism?

In fact I say that to piss you off.

You simply haven't checked into the logic of your own atheism religion to see that it is a religion, because you absolutely know that you don't know that God doesn't exist. You just blab that He doesn't exist.

You absolutely don't know whether God exists or not, just like superman, unicorns or anything else. You just blab that they exist.

[BADecker]

There is a difference between knowing that God exists, and believing in Him. You absolutely know your banker exists. But you only believe that he will take good care of your money in your savings account.

Your arguments are bullshit and not scientific, thus yours is a simple belief.

Since you have constantly been saying that there is no God, where am I accusing you of atheism?

In fact I say that to piss you off.

You simply haven't checked into the logic of your own atheism religion to see that it is a religion, because you absolutely know that you don't know that God doesn't exist. You just blab that He doesn't exist.

You absolutely don't know whether God exists or not, just like superman, unicorns or anything else. You just blab that they exist.

LOL! If you are really stuck in your beliefs, I don't care. You can say that scientific proof for God doesn't exist, all day long. Certainly I don't want to force you to understand science, even if I could.

 

[Lambowei]

LOL! If you are really stuck in your beliefs, I don't care. You can say that scientific proof for God doesn't exist, all day long. Certainly I don't want to force you to understand science, even if I could.

 

You can believe you're a scientist all day long, but at the end of the day there's no peer-reviewed scientific paper anywhere, just a simple blogpost from someone's ass...

[BADecker]

LOL! If you are really stuck in your beliefs, I don't care. You can say that scientific proof for God doesn't exist, all day long. Certainly I don't want to force you to understand science, even if I could.

 

You can believe you're a scientist all day long, but at the end of the day there's no peer-reviewed scientific paper anywhere, just a simple blogpost from someone's ass...

So you really think that there has to be peer-reviewed stuff for there to be scientific proof, right. Do you believe that you exist and are alive? (Of course, maybe you aren't and don't.)