Why I'm an atheist

[qwik2learn]

Take an entry level, undergrad human physiology course.  That should be enough for you to understand how our nervous system works.

The rhetorical opinions of your NDE theories are presented as if they were scientific. The opinion of a select few BITCOINERS, who are not experts on the subject, can hardly be called scientific evidence.

How do you know that I have NOT taken such a course and courses far beyond that?? You presume a lot about my understanding of the mind, but offer no concrete understanding of your own. Here is a quote from a recent neuroscience paper:

"ongoing [brain] activity fluctuations ... constitute an essential property of the neural architecture underlying cognition"

Therefore,
no brain activity -> no suitable neural architecture for cognition -> no possibility of cognition.

"A high level of consciousness while physically unconscious is medically unexplained"

Recent observations like the AWARE study show that consciousness has occurred during a period when the brain was non-functional.

Many skeptical arguments against the survival theory are actually arguments from pseudo-skeptics who often think they have no burden of proof. Such arguments are often based on scientism with assumptions that survival is impossible even though survival has not been ruled out. Faulty conclusions are often made such as, "Because NDEs have a brain chemical connection then survival is impossible." Pseudo-skeptical arguments are sometimes made that do not consider the entire body of circumstantial evidence supporting the possibility of survival or do not consider the possibility of new paradigms. Such pseudo-skeptical claims are often made without any scientific evidence.

Source: http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a35

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[qwik2learn]

Jesus didn't "let" people crucify Him. He invited it, at the correct time, of course. Why did Jesus do this? Here's why.

This is absurd. No one wishes to invite death, except for ones who are suicidal (suicide is against life). Your argument that Jesus invited his death is nonsensical; it can easily be seen that God has no need of martyrs since one who is wise can do God's work while alive. I happen to know that Jesus resisted his capture, but your personal view of theology (dogma) will not accept such a historical fact.

Jesus has promised salvation from death for all who believe in Him. But you can't know this if you only read Islamic texts, because Islamic texts have serious gaps and holes in them. You know which book to read to understand this.

That Bible has serious gaps and holes--so much that the OT appears to present many examples of what GOD would NOT DO. Yet you will never choose to read another book that criticizes the content of that Bible because you have closed your eyes to anything that could change your view (dogma) of that flawed text.

There is no use in discussing with you such facts as "Jesus resisted his capture" or "The Bible was re-written in order to suit men, not GOD" because you have already set your beliefs in stone; you are precisely the type of hypocrite that Jesus denounced.

[qwik2learn]

google the opposition and see what they say

I am not impressed, Moloch. I have already read RationalWiki, skepdic, JREF forums, Sam Harris forums, and many scholarly papers from skeptics, I also participate in multiple forum discussions with peers.

Why should I keep reading the opposition when YOU are unable to even comprehend the content of one single link that I reference? Your claims are in error; YOU SHOULD DO MORE READING BECAUSE NOT ONLY HAVE YOU FAILED TO PROVIDE A SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION, YOU DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CORE ELEMENTS OF THE NDE ARE!

"All neurological theories concluding NDEs to be only a brain anomaly, must show how the core elements of the NDE occur subjectively because of specific neurological events triggered by the approach of death."

Read: A Critique of Susan Blackmore's Dying Brain Hypothesis by Greg Stone
http://www.near-death.com/science/articles/dying-brain-theory.html

[qwik2learn]

It is very interesting that you bring up dextromethorphan in your original post. You often fail to partition religiosity and spirituality throughout your post.

Exactly right!

"NDE's, drug-induced hallucinations, and out-of-body experiences occurring under normal conditions and other kinds of hallucinations are all related."
 
In other words, the NDE is not an isolated phenomena. The common link between NDE and these other experiences is the release of the spirit, to a greater or lesser extent, from the body. This is the relation that should be investigated.

The real question should not be, "Do you have to be near death to have an NDE?" but rather do you have to be near death for the spirit to separate from the body? Evidence tells us the answer is no.

The spirit can and does leave the body in any number of situations, including those that occur without drugs or trauma. This is exactly what one would expect to find if the Afterlife Hypothesis is true. If one postulates spirit surviving body death, one also postulates spirit being different and separate from the body it inhabits. The Afterlife Hypothesis predicts the spirit should be capable of separating from the body under conditions other than impending death. The evidence of ketamine, dextromethorphan, and etc. thus directly supports the Afterlife Hypothesis.

Read: A Critique of Susan Blackmore's Dying Brain Hypothesis by Greg Stone
http://www.near-death.com/science/articles/dying-brain-theory.html

[Moloch]

google the opposition and see what they say

I am not impressed, Moloch. I have already read RationalWiki, skepdic, JREF forums, Sam Harris forums, and many scholarly papers from skeptics, I also participate in multiple forum discussions with peers.

Why should I keep reading the opposition when YOU are unable to even comprehend the content of one single link that I reference? Your claims are in error; YOU SHOULD DO MORE READING BECAUSE NOT ONLY HAVE YOU FAILED TO PROVIDE A SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION, YOU DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CORE ELEMENTS OF THE NDE ARE!

"All neurological theories concluding NDEs to be only a brain anomaly, must show how the core elements of the NDE occur subjectively because of specific neurological events triggered by the approach of death."

Read: A Critique of Susan Blackmore's Dying Brain Hypothesis by Greg Stone
http://www.near-death.com/science/articles/dying-brain-theory.html

u mad bro?

You sound mad...

[qwik2learn]

u mad bro?

Yeah bro, I am mad that you fail to admit the truth, no matter what. I am mad at hypocrites like u, brah

The only people who see a white light, etc, are religious... if you are not religious, you see aliens, or some other weird shit

You are totally wrong about that! Admit it!
Source:
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a50
Another source:
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a26

[Moloch]

u mad bro?

Yeah bro, I am mad that you fail to admit the truth, no matter what. I am mad at hypocrites like u, brah

The only people who see a white light, etc, are religious... if you are not religious, you see aliens, or some other weird shit

You are totally wrong about that! Admit it!
Source:
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a50
Another source:
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a26

Usually when people get this defensive it is because they know deep down that they are full of shit

You make wild claims but have zero scientific evidence to back any of it up... there is no such scientific evidence for NDE's being anything like what you claim... you have provided no such evidence... all your links are purely anecdotal gibberish... with zero science involved

Testimony is not science fucktard

People tell stories about seeing white lights, aliens, ghosts, bigfoot, demons, gods, etc, etc, etc... it doesn't make any of it real

[qwik2learn]

The only people who see a white light, etc, are religious... if you are not religious, you see aliens, or some other weird shit

Your claim is based on people's testimony, and it is factually wrong, but you will not admit it, so you instead resort to calling me names; you are nothing but a hypocrite; at least if you could admit that you were mistaken THIS ONE TIME, it would lead to a more fruitful discussion in the future...

[Moloch]

The only people who see a white light, etc, are religious... if you are not religious, you see aliens, or some other weird shit

Your claim is based on people's testimony, and it is factually wrong, but you will not admit it, so you instead resort to calling me names; you are nothing but a hypocrite; at least if you could admit that you were mistaken THIS ONE TIME, it would lead to a more fruitful discussion in the future...

My claim is based on scientific experimentation involving an electromagnet placed against the brain

I have been over this with you months ago, and even linked the video to you!

Quit pretending like we haven't already had this fucking argument

[qwik2learn]

The only people who see a white light, etc, are religious... if you are not religious, you see aliens, or some other weird shit

Your claim is based on people's testimony, and it is factually wrong, but you will not admit it, so you instead resort to calling me names; you are nothing but a hypocrite; at least if you could admit that you were mistaken THIS ONE TIME, it would lead to a more fruitful discussion in the future...

My claim is based on scientific experimentation involving an electromagnet placed against the brain

I have been over this with you months ago, and even linked the video to you!

Quit pretending like we haven't already had this fucking argument

Your claim was refuted by way of counterexample. I even linked you to two counterexamples and there are many, many more!

[Moloch]

The only people who see a white light, etc, are religious... if you are not religious, you see aliens, or some other weird shit

Your claim is based on people's testimony, and it is factually wrong, but you will not admit it, so you instead resort to calling me names; you are nothing but a hypocrite; at least if you could admit that you were mistaken THIS ONE TIME, it would lead to a more fruitful discussion in the future...

My claim is based on scientific experimentation involving an electromagnet placed against the brain

I have been over this with you months ago, and even linked the video to you!

Quit pretending like we haven't already had this fucking argument

Your claim was refuted by way of counterexample. I even linked you to two counterexamples and there are many, many more!

Watch the video again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCVzz96zKA0

You cannot refute scientific experimentation with testimony... science doesn' work like that

Sorry, you are wrong

[Trading]

A priestess confessed what many simple disguise in order to keep their job: she doesn't believe in god:

http://www.grettavosper.ca/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gretta_Vosper

[Affilate User]

same as like my teacher  he says

1) God is a human creation.

   All the hundreds of religions/sects and their multiple absolute contradictions seem to be plenty evidence that all gods are human creations.

[Trading]

One of the most ridiculous stands of certain religious people are their opinions on evolution.

It's hilarious the way as they try to explain fossils with more than 2 million years.

Since they can't accept any evolution, they defend that Australopithecus are apes and the first members of the genus homo are just humans with diseases.
 
Let's forget that the differences between some Australopithecus and Homo Habilis, Homo Rudolfensis, Homo Gautengensisor or Homo Naledi are much smaller than the ones between all these Homo and modern Homo Sapiens.

Actually, scientists studied evolution on many species, like on bacteria, under controlled conditions.

The longest of these experiments has been running for 28 years on e-coli bacteria. They registered many genetic modifications on it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment

We have now precisely a big problem caused by evolution that is the resistance that bacteria are developing to antibiotics.

But no worries, we just have to pray god. God will provide, like he provides everyday to all the dying kids with hunger or easily treated diseases.

[RealityTruth]

       

                        Why am I an atheist

You are an atheist because you fear 

[BADecker]

One of the most ridiculous stands of certain religious people are their opinions on evolution.

It's hilarious the way as they try to explain fossils with more than 2 million years.

Since they can't accept any evolution, they defend that Australopithecus are apes and the first members of the genus homo are just humans with diseases.
 
Let's forget that the differences between some Australopithecus and Homo Habilis, Homo Rudolfensis, Homo Gautengensisor or Homo Naledi are much smaller than the ones between all these Homo and modern Homo Sapiens.

Actually, scientists studied evolution on many species, like on bacteria, under controlled conditions.

The longest of these experiments has been running for 28 years on e-coli bacteria. They registered many genetic modifications on it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment

We have now precisely a big problem caused by evolution that is the resistance that bacteria are developing to antibiotics.

But no worries, we just have to pray god. God will provide, like he provides everyday to all the dying kids with hunger or easily treated diseases.

But the people who understand that the science of probability math and the science of cause and effect eliminate any chance of evolution aver existing, show that the evolutionists have one of the stupidest religions around.

[Moloch]

[BADecker]

Neal Adam's timing is off due to his following of the stupid timeline of modern science.

Remember that he earth was split in the days of Peleg? There were no separate continents before that time.

[BADecker]

Neal Adam's timing is off due to his following of the stupid timeline of modern science.

Remember that he earth was split in the days of Peleg? There were no separate continents before that time.

Look into it. The earth is a little over 6,000 years old. All the science that suggests any times beyond about 4,500 years by science, is completely guesswork, designed to do two things:
1. Bring stability to the world of science;
2. Eliminate God out of as much thinking as possible.

When you look into the papers, you see that the scientific ideas of the age of the earth is all guesswork. The papers say so.

[Trading]

I verified that, on other threads about this subject, sometimes the discussion gets personal.

Remember always that if the person on the other side starts insulting you, that means he is feeling insecure. Aggression most of the time comes directly from insecurity.

It means you really hit him on a soft spot. No reason to reply in kind: you won.

Is there any reason to dislike the believers that post on this thread? I don't see what.

Usually, they are polite persons. On the small cases when things go a little below the line, that mean they understood one of the comments as personal or directly to them.

Let's show them that we are more civilized than them. That we don't need the threats of any invisible entity to have better moral formation.

How could one dislike their posts?

I have more than one reason to really like them, but just let me state one:

Most of the time their answers are so out of this world, that they are like the bible: we just have to read it to be an atheist.