Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[chrono030]

Phoenix:

Not having a go here, I assure you. Just wondering, because I'd like to know where to rank what you say.

In the past, because I follow this board, I've seen your ... hundreds of posts.
Some have been helpful, and I found some, like I'm sure a lot here did - kind of hilarious, as we watched you stumble through trying to set up your first saturn and posting here every 10 minutes ... then, the more recent "humblebrags" that have served to make some people angry.

That said, some of you stuff has been genuinely helpful.

But, to my question:
Can you disclose the nature of your relationship with KNC please? Like, fully? ... ie: what discounts you may or may not have gotten, etc?

Again, not having a go at you .... just wondering what weight to put on what you say. And, I don't mean that negatively. Like, I envy your close relationship. Same as I envy bitcoinorama for stepping up like he did. He earned his rep here as a solid dude, and his position shouldn't be begrudged.

At any rate, genuinely curious, not trying to be a dick. Feel free to PM, if you'd rather do that.

- Canadian early Oct. Jup owner, for the record.

Tweak25....
Actually, I'm just a customer, and other than what I've mentioned in here.... there is noting else to connect me to KNC.
I took the time to ask for a discount at one point. Instead, I got stoked out with kindness.. Which was apparently approved by the partners in charge, that's all.

Tweak25 good point and well put.

Phoenix1969 kudos to you sir.

Phoenix was posting very frequently on the KNC facebook page far before he was posting here at bitcointalk (I won't reveal any personal details for obvious reasons).  I've been monitoring this thread since its' inception (and also bought a day 1 jup).  My guess is that phoenix originally found out about KNC via their facebook page, did some math, bought a unit and got super excited...  He then realized that were was a severe lack of intelligent discussion on their facebook page and discovered bitcointalk (and this related thread).  He just strikes me as a dude that drinks too much coffee (that he probably grows himself), not some dude that has significant discounts on KNC units.

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[sickpig]

friendcat is bad for mining

Friedcat's miners could be not the best deal for a wanna be miner, but he's definitely good at mining.

[Phoenix1969]

Got me pegged Chrono...   

[merv77]

and check this one from 'Business Insider Australia' some KnC news 
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/knc-sells-nearly-28-million-neptunes-2013-12#ixzz2nkWDq41P

next KNC slogan...  "we made 8 million dollars in 24 hours" 
got to be some record broken, well for bitcoin manufacturers at least

[Biffa]

You do realize they started 20nm about three months ago?... and they said Q1/Q2.
Plenty of cushion IMHO

Doesn't matter if they started 10 years ago. A huge limitation to actually meeting such a date is TSMC's ability to deliver. They haven't yet ramped up 20nm production! TSMC has only taped-out a handful of 20nm designs so far. TSMC production is going to be very limited in Q1. If TSMC does get in a crunch, who are they going to deliver wafers to first, Apple or KnC?

You have to realise that compared to Apple's chips, GPU's from AMD and Nvidia & CPU's that ASIC's and FPGA's are very simple devices, and SHA256 ASIC's are simpler than most. TSMC has already been making 20nm FPGA's in bulk for Xilinx since early November, Xilinx are actually planning to tape out 16nm in Q1 2014 with TSMC. And TSMC are actually ahead of the game. See: https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/2927-xilinx-begins-shipping-tsmc-20nm-fpgas.html

[Phoenix1969]

You do realize they started 20nm about three months ago?... and they said Q1/Q2.
Plenty of cushion IMHO

Doesn't matter if they started 10 years ago. A huge limitation to actually meeting such a date is TSMC's ability to deliver. They haven't yet ramped up 20nm production! TSMC has only taped-out a handful of 20nm designs so far. TSMC production is going to be very limited in Q1. If TSMC does get in a crunch, who are they going to deliver wafers to first, Apple or KnC?

You have to realise that compared to Apple's chips, GPU's from AMD and Nvidia & CPU's that ASIC's and FPGA's are very simple devices, and SHA256 ASIC's are simpler than most. TSMC has already been making 20nm FPGA's in bulk for Xilinx since early November, Xilinx are actually planning to tape out 16nm in Q1 2014 with TSMC. And TSMC are actually ahead of the game. See: https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/2927-xilinx-begins-shipping-tsmc-20nm-fpgas.html

They use AllChip, and AST... Not sure How TSMC fits in...?
Just a comparison?  Good stuff.  Altera-TSMC seem to have a relationship...

I'm totally late picking up my car...  lol.. Catch y'all laterz

[Syke]

TSMC has already been making 20nm FPGA's in bulk for Xilinx since early November

20nm samples available just in time for Christmas!

Samples. You call that "in bulk"?

[vesperwillow]

and check this one from 'Business Insider Australia' some KnC news 
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/knc-sells-nearly-28-million-neptunes-2013-12#ixzz2nkWDq41P

next KNC slogan...  "we made 8 million dollars in 24 hours" 
got to be some record broken, well for bitcoin manufacturers at least

That's not really, like, "news".. it's just simple math we did many pages back.

I was hoping they had some details of something new in there.

The Neptunes no where approach $10k in cost to manufacture. A fraction of that at absolute best.

Shovel-making and shovel-sales are lucrative right now.

[kendog77]

What kind of nonsense are you talking? A business that charges what the market will bear for their products is not dishonest. Charging far less than people are willing to pay is called STUPID. If they were priced too high, people wouldn't buy them and the price would go down.

Exactly. KnC did good on the Jupiters, etc. But they're stepping into fraud territory by implying a Q1 ship date for Neptune when there's simply no chance of that happening.

You do realize they started 20nm about three months ago?... and they said Q1/Q2.
Plenty of cushion IMHO

Agreed, and Knc already said that they will ship their 20 nm devices in March of 2014 (see the news update below), so that was their plan all along. I think they changed the Neptune delivery date to Q1/Q2 just to be safe, but I'm cautiously optimistic that they will hit a late Feburary / early March delivery date...

https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-24

[Bogart]

Anyone have an inside scoop of when KNC will possibly list Jupiters? It will be Christmas in 11 days, then New Year's so anything to do with shipping will be delayed or who knows what. Are they thinking of releasing maybe this week, the next? I'm probably positive someone must have called them to ask. And most likely wouldn't post that "secret" info here.

Given their stated reasoning for releasing another batch, I would expect them to wait until a competitor actually ships something.

HashFast has to be damn close by now.  Right?

On the other hand, BitMain is shipping right now.  They shipped 54TH/s out their door yesterday/today.  My units are scheduled for delivery tomorrow.

[Minor Miner]

What kind of nonsense are you talking? A business that charges what the market will bear for their products is not dishonest. Charging far less than people are willing to pay is called STUPID. If they were priced too high, people wouldn't buy them and the price would go down.

Exactly. KnC did good on the Jupiters, etc. But they're stepping into fraud territory by implying a Q1 ship date for Neptune when there's simply no chance of that happening.

You do realize they started 20nm about three months ago?... and they said Q1/Q2.
Plenty of cushion IMHO

Agreed, and Knc already said that they will ship their 20 nm devices in March of 2014 (see the news update below), so that was their plan all along. I think they changed the Neptune delivery date to Q1/Q2 just to be safe, but I'm cautiously optimistic that they will hit a late Feburary / early March delivery date...
https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-24

I think that is an optimistic way to look at it.   They cannot predict what problems and component supply problems they might have.   You should assume June 15 and leave room to be surprised if it comes sooner.

[fubly]

What kind of nonsense are you talking? A business that charges what the market will bear for their products is not dishonest. Charging far less than people are willing to pay is called STUPID. If they were priced too high, people wouldn't buy them and the price would go down.

Exactly. KnC did good on the Jupiters, etc. But they're stepping into fraud territory by implying a Q1 ship date for Neptune when there's simply no chance of that happening.

You do realize they started 20nm about three months ago?... and they said Q1/Q2.
Plenty of cushion IMHO

Agreed, and Knc already said that they will ship their 20 nm devices in March of 2014 (see the news update below), so that was their plan all along. I think they changed the Neptune delivery date to Q1/Q2 just to be safe, but I'm cautiously optimistic that they will hit a late Feburary / early March delivery date...

https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-24

https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-73


If we do have more items to place in the shop for our 28nm range, we will announce this via one of our newsletters which will contain the time and date that they will go on sale. So keep some coins handy as we expect them to go quick.

[Bogart]

Anyone knows if the Oct controller board is compatible with Nov type ASIC boards?

It is.  The only difference is the firmware.  Flash 0.99-E onto it and you should be all set.

[kendog77]

Anyone have an inside scoop of when KNC will possibly list Jupiters? It will be Christmas in 11 days, then New Year's so anything to do with shipping will be delayed or who knows what. Are they thinking of releasing maybe this week, the next? I'm probably positive someone must have called them to ask. And most likely wouldn't post that "secret" info here.

Given their stated reasoning for releasing another batch, I would expect them to wait until a competitor actually ships something.

HashFast has to be damn close by now.  Right?

On the other hand, BitMain is shipping right now.  They shipped 54TH/s out their door yesterday/today.  My units are scheduled for delivery tomorrow.

True, but the MitMain units appear to be quite overpriced. They earn ~.1 BTC per day at current difficulty and cost 4.25 BTC, so good luck getting your investment back in BTC.

Also, BitMain hasn't reduced the price of their group buys as the difficulty keeps going up, so early buyers will probably earn ROI, but late buyers at 4.25 BTC will not.

[soy]

So I have one november jupiter that refuses to stay on. Tried each individual ASIC separately, no dice, tried swapping the 1500w EVGA with a 860W Corsair, corsair didnt even turn it on (fans spun up but BBB no lights). Anyone got any ideas?

I'd guess there's a ribbon cable plugged backwards to the controller board possible or faulty cabling to the BBB.

Checked all the cables, ribbon and PCiE- no dice.

Okay, wrote that after returning from the dentist and the numbness is now almost gone.  Here's what I would do: I'd disconnect all ASIC modules and only fire up the BBB and that without ribbon cables.  I'd look for the front fans running.  I'd look for the bright white light and both the red and green LEDs lit, I'd look for lights on the RJ45 ethernet socket,  then I'd look for the red LED to go out and the green stay on indicating you have a connection.  Log in to the miner web page.

If you can get those things all well and good.  Get that first.  If you can't, then I'd track down my 5 volts.  Get some information on the Beagle Board Black and find where you can measure the 5v on the board.  Check that there isn't a crack in the solder at the controller board 4 pin molex connector.  Just remembered, I had an iffy connection at the 4 pin, squeezed the barrels a little for better grasp of the pins and fewer glitches.

[soy]

So I have one november jupiter that refuses to stay on. Tried each individual ASIC separately, no dice, tried swapping the 1500w EVGA with a 860W Corsair, corsair didnt even turn it on (fans spun up but BBB no lights). Anyone got any ideas?

I'd guess there's a ribbon cable plugged backwards to the controller board possible or faulty cabling to the BBB.

Checked all the cables, ribbon and PCiE- no dice.

Have you tried swapping BBB's with another unit?
Auto-Salvage style testing.....   swap parts 'till you find it...


I'm off to pick up my new-used '05 accord from BTC earnings.....   Yipppeeeeeee!
(BTC trading on Bitstamp)

My Merc with upgrade module is going to pay for today's root canal.

[Biffa]

TSMC has already been making 20nm FPGA's in bulk for Xilinx since early November

20nm samples available just in time for Christmas!

Samples. You call that "in bulk"?

Lol true bad choice of word on my part,  but also some of the article is journalistic interpretation of the press release.

Plus a sample run for Xilinux is probably equivalent to KnCs entire 2013/2014 output

TSMC already announced 10's of designs in October ready for production in q1 who is to say that KnC is not one of them? Asics and fpgas are the ideal tech to prove the platform.

[sickpig]

Anyone knows if the Oct controller board is compatible with Nov type ASIC boards?

It is.  The only difference is the firmware.  Flash 0.99-E onto it and you should be all set.

Pay attention as of now you can't mix october with nov boards on the same controller board

edit: fix a thinko

[Phoenix1969]

Anyone knows if the Oct controller board is compatible with Nov type ASIC boards?

It is.  The only difference is the firmware.  Flash 0.99-E onto it and you should be all set.

Weren't we warned not to try that?

[sickpig]

Anyone knows if the Oct controller board is compatible with Nov type ASIC boards?

It is.  The only difference is the firmware.  Flash 0.99-E onto it and you should be all set.

Weren't we warned not to try that?

I'm sure they have re-designed the pcb asic board for nov miners, dunno if they did the same for the main controller board.