Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[bobsmoke]

Did anyone got one of those that is willing to share?
http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/news-and-anouncments/31229-phishing-scam-email-warning

[bronan]

Well seems many people outside and inside europe have to learn the new SEPA ( swift/bic ) system
Every bank in europe uses them and does no longer accept simple 9 to 10 number back numbers.
We have to use the freaking new swift/bic which is very hard to remember
The only way to make it easy is to allways carry a new bankcard in your wallet so you can read it on your card.
Sweden uses the same system so banks in other countries should be able to handle them, if they don't they are freakign far behind with adopting it.
Or they never do international orders, its know for what 8 years that sepa would become standard in the eu banking so they had time enough to change the way they handle eu transfers.
If you got such a damn lazy bank its not knc who to blame

[xstr8guy]

Well seems many people outside and inside europe have to learn the new SEPA ( swift/bic ) system
Every bank in europe uses them and does no longer accept simple 9 to 10 number back numbers.
We have to use the freaking new swift/bic which is very hard to remember
The only way to make it easy is to allways carry a new bankcard in your wallet so you can read it on your card.
Sweden uses the same system so banks in other countries should be able to handle them, if they don't they are freakign far behind with adopting it.
Or they never do international orders, its know for what 8 years that sepa would become standard in the eu banking so they had time enough to change the way they handle eu transfers.
If you got such a damn lazy bank its not knc who to blame

KNC is to blame because they refuse to refund small orders in BTC.   Pretty simple really.

[vesperwillow]

Well seems many people outside and inside europe have to learn the new SEPA ( swift/bic ) system
Every bank in europe uses them and does no longer accept simple 9 to 10 number back numbers.
We have to use the freaking new swift/bic which is very hard to remember
The only way to make it easy is to allways carry a new bankcard in your wallet so you can read it on your card.
Sweden uses the same system so banks in other countries should be able to handle them, if they don't they are freakign far behind with adopting it.
Or they never do international orders, its know for what 8 years that sepa would become standard in the eu banking so they had time enough to change the way they handle eu transfers.
If you got such a damn lazy bank its not knc who to blame

KNC is to blame because they refuse to refund small orders in BTC.   Pretty simple really.

^-- Agreed, especially since they already broke their word concerning not refunding any amount in bitcoin, but have done it at random for both small and large orders.

This is one of the issues KNC has had growing over the past few months.. consistency.

[Biodom]

This is one of the issues KNC has had growing over the past few months.. consistency.

"All Dude wanted is [to get] his rug back."

All i wanted since learning about bitcoin mining is to be involved in the process.
Jupiter was not available, so i had to decide between KnC and unknown entity-cointerra.
I put money on KnC and it was most likely a mistake. Even bigger mistake was to see a note regarding Jupiter's in December and waiting and waiting and waiting.
That was kind of low blow and almost everybody agrees on that.

Finally, I decided to order Antminer a week ago-it is noisy, only 180gh, but it cost me just $640, was delivered in 5 days, set up in a relatively few hours (due to my general inexperience), and it is hashing now and I feel...happy.

[vesperwillow]

When I saw the antminers dropping below 1btc, I was pretty excited. I'd love to grab a couple, but have decided to hold off because it doesn't appear they'll make back their investment cost. Not knocking them though.

As to noise, change out the fan. Is it a 120 or 140? I think it's 140 isn't it? I suggest you take a look at the Prolimatech Vortex fans, they're silent and push good air:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0045FE3V8/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B1WQ4VA/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Edit: Since noise levels are subjective, let me put it this way. I have about 70 of these in a room, and the noise level is absolutely negligible when compared to silence.

[organofcorti]

Edit: Since noise levels are subjective, let me put it this way. I have about 70 of these in a room, and the noise level is absolutely negligible when compared to silence.

Noise levels are objective. You can measure them, and if you like compare the intensities you find negligable to those that others find negligable. Most modern cheap (~$100) sound levels meters are sufficient for this type of use.

[Biodom]

When I saw the antminers dropping below 1btc, I was pretty excited. I'd love to grab a couple, but have decided to hold off because it doesn't appear they'll make back their investment cost. Not knocking them though.

As to noise, change out the fan. Is it a 120 or 140? I think it's 140 isn't it? I suggest you take a look at the Prolimatech Vortex fans, they're silent and push good air:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0045FE3V8/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B1WQ4VA/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Edit: Since noise levels are subjective, let me put it this way. I have about 70 of these in a room, and the noise level is absolutely negligible when compared to silence.

Thanks, but as far as investment cost is concerned, all that matters is that I spent $640.
If bitcoin stays at the same price, I should get ~1BTC in 3mo, plus miner will have some (albeit small ) residual value.
If bitcoin rises, i will have good ROI in $$.
If bitcoin falls, then I would have lost money anyway whether I bought a miner or bitcoin.

[opentoe]

Better off these days just buying a bunch of bitcoin and storing them. All the shit you gotta go through to mine new rigs these days. And the newest stuff you have to re-wire your house and put in extra cooling. Just gets ugly.

[Searing]

When I saw the antminers dropping below 1btc, I was pretty excited. I'd love to grab a couple, but have decided to hold off because it doesn't appear they'll make back their investment cost. Not knocking them though.

As to noise, change out the fan. Is it a 120 or 140? I think it's 140 isn't it? I suggest you take a look at the Prolimatech Vortex fans, they're silent and push good air:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0045FE3V8/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B1WQ4VA/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Edit: Since noise levels are subjective, let me put it this way. I have about 70 of these in a room, and the noise level is absolutely negligible when compared to silence.

Thanks, but as far as investment cost is concerned, all that matters is that I spent $640.
If bitcoin stays at the same price, I should get ~1BTC in 3mo, plus miner will have some (albeit small ) residual value.
If bitcoin rises, i will have good ROI in $$.
If bitcoin falls, then I would have lost money anyway whether I bought a miner or bitcoin.

yeah...if i get one it will be for "hobby mode" but the above is probably how to look at mining in general in the future..ie back to hobby mode of thought (the heady times of 1250 coin and my oct 18th jupiter 555gh alas)

Searing

[smoothrunnings]

So finally I get a response after almost 2 weeks and they say that the information is invalid. I use a credit Union and as a result there is an intermediary bank that it has to flow through but since KNC's system doesn't allow for that they can't process the refund? I think they are just being lazy or this is a stall tactic. I'm going to be pissed if I need to open a new bank account for this. What a cluster&%@@.

Credit Union's work differently than banks when wiring transfers and receiving write transfers, to you and I we wouldn't know the difference as the customer. So KNC's bank likely won't wire transfers to Credit Union's requiring you to open a bank account. This isn't uncommon for banks to require another major bank to be receiver of wire moneys.

http://money.howstuffworks.com/personal-finance/banking/difference-between-bank-and-credit-union.htm

[dimaze]

Are they allowing shipment of hosted miners? I think those contracts are expiring. If not, they should soon. Shipping @ 100-270ish

[Searing]

Are they allowing shipment of hosted miners? I think those contracts are expiring. If not, they should soon. Shipping @ 100-270ish

are you talking about the jupiters that were hosted here since oct 1st 2013 or so...?

hmmm for some reason i thought they were hosted for 1 year and/or you could cancel before
and they kept the equipment

i've no idea but that is how i thought hosting works obviously i'm wrong

how exactly does it all work ..you pay months in advance by the month etc etc

just in case this crops up with the virtual mining i guess I'd better ponder this

Searing (assuming i don't punt my last order of a neptune)

[bkminer]

merv, they already said a month ago they wouldn't sell upgrade modules anymore.

This was the last comment on the KnC forums on Feb. 5th from Kurt about modules....

I see a lot of questions regarding upgrade modules. We are still looking at the possibility of releasing more upgrade cards for sale. However, our management team are still yet to decide the details of this. As soon as we have an update, we will let you all know.

http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/resellers-affilicates/general-questions/29377-plan-b/page3 Post #34

[opentoe]

merv, they already said a month ago they wouldn't sell upgrade modules anymore.

This was the last comment on the KnC forums on Feb. 5th from Kurt about modules....

I see a lot of questions regarding upgrade modules. We are still looking at the possibility of releasing more upgrade cards for sale. However, our management team are still yet to decide the details of this. As soon as we have an update, we will let you all know.

http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/resellers-affilicates/general-questions/29377-plan-b/page3 Post #34

Any talk from KNC regarding releasing modules or the possibility of releasing modules is solely a marketing tactic to keep a few people on the fence about where they spend their money. They know %100 they won't be releasing any modules but since they hate seeing people buying other companies hardware they have to try something. Then when it is time to make a statement modules will not be released there will be a product/plan for sale. Seriously, do you think KNC would ever release upgrade modules at this time? You would need 50 of them to make a bitcoin.

[bkminer]

... Seriously, do you think KNC would ever release upgrade modules at this time? You would need 50 of them to make a bitcoin.

Naw, I wasn't suggesting I believed it, it's just more of that lost trust in KnC.  That statement to me seems just what you suggested, keep people on the hook...

[arousedrhino]

merv, they already said a month ago they wouldn't sell upgrade modules anymore.

This was the last comment on the KnC forums on Feb. 5th from Kurt about modules....

I see a lot of questions regarding upgrade modules. We are still looking at the possibility of releasing more upgrade cards for sale. However, our management team are still yet to decide the details of this. As soon as we have an update, we will let you all know.

http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/resellers-affilicates/general-questions/29377-plan-b/page3 Post #34

Any talk from KNC regarding releasing modules or the possibility of releasing modules is solely a marketing tactic to keep a few people on the fence about where they spend their money. They know %100 they won't be releasing any modules but since they hate seeing people buying other companies hardware they have to try something. Then when it is time to make a statement modules will not be released there will be a product/plan for sale. Seriously, do you think KNC would ever release upgrade modules at this time? You would need 50 of them to make a bitcoin.

Thats why they would likely release them now since they will just be all the asics from the Jupiters they have been mining with all these months. They will release modules once they no longer need the Jupiters anymore.

[Soros Shorts]

So finally I get a response after almost 2 weeks and they say that the information is invalid. I use a credit Union and as a result there is an intermediary bank that it has to flow through but since KNC's system doesn't allow for that they can't process the refund? I think they are just being lazy or this is a stall tactic. I'm going to be pissed if I need to open a new bank account for this. What a cluster&%@@.

Credit Union's work differently than banks when wiring transfers and receiving write transfers, to you and I we wouldn't know the difference as the customer. So KNC's bank likely won't wire transfers to Credit Union's requiring you to open a bank account. This isn't uncommon for banks to require another major bank to be receiver of wire moneys.

http://money.howstuffworks.com/personal-finance/banking/difference-between-bank-and-credit-union.htm

It is really very simple. In the US a "wire transfer" could mean a transfer of funds over the ACH network or the SWIFT network. The ACH network requires an ABA routing number which is valid in the US only. The SWIFT network requires a BIC number and is valid across the global SWIFT network.

Internationally, a "wire transfer" usually means a a transfer over the SWIFT network. The Swedish bank would know nothing about US ABA routing numbers. If your regional bank or credit union does not have a BIC number, it is not on the SWIFT network cannot receive funds directly from an international bank. It needs to go through a correspondent US bank that has both SWIFT and ACH connectivity, and that is when things are likely to screw up.

Source: Direct experience building SWIFT to ACH gateway systems.

[wpgdeez]

Thats Correct. My funds get routed to JP Morgan in the US via swift. It then gets sent to the head CU from JP Morgan via a differnt swift number and account number which is them sent to the member branch where my account is.

Things could be alot easier if they would just give me BTC. I shouldnt have to open a whole new bank account to get a refund but I will do whatever I have too to get out of this mess.

[theMiracle]

Edit: Since noise levels are subjective, let me put it this way. I have about 70 of these in a room, and the noise level is absolutely negligible when compared to silence.

Noise levels are objective. You can measure them, and if you like compare the intensities you find negligable to those that others find negligable. Most modern cheap (~$100) sound levels meters are sufficient for this type of use.

It's still pretty subjective, that's why they have all the weird weighing curves nobody really agrees on...  The "annoyingness" of noise is also all over the place, so white/pink noise is easier to take than tonal/weird envelope noise (a squealing/whistling fan will drive you nuts, for instance, regardless of db level). 
/OT & pointless geekery.  Sorry.