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November 24, 2014, 05:04:04 PM
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Speaking of merged mining, I merge mine namecoin.  I know there are many other coins out there that can be merged mined such as Devcoins, IXcoins and I0coins; however, is the money they bring in even make it worth the time to set them up?
The setup time is pretty minimal.  Download and install the wallet, sync the blockchain and edit the p2pool startup.  As for the other merged coins values... pretty much worthless.  For example, if you hit a block of DVC (5000 coins) you might see 0.0004BTC for the lot of them.  IXC mining is done, so even if you hit a block, you don't get any coins for it.  At this point, and somebody please add any I've missed, here are coins you can merge mine and my thoughts:

  • NMC - block of 50 will get you about 0.12BTC.  Pretty much the only coin worth merging.
  • DVC - block of 5000 will get you about 0.0004BTC.  About worthless.
  • IXC - no more minted coins as mining is done
  • I0C - maybe 0.000016 per coin?  1.5 coins per found block currently.
  • FSC - coin has been dead in the water for months.  I've got like 2.5 million of them... anyone want to buy? Smiley
  • HUC - I don't merge mine these as the client is a resource hog.  Anyone currently mining them?

Hope this helps you make your decision.

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November 24, 2014, 07:39:37 PM
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I'm still trying to understand the pseudo shares.  If they're just busy work to make stats look good, and I don't care about what my stats look like, do I need them at all?  Seems like the busy work would generate unnecessary heat for my miners?  What happens if I set the pseudo share difficulty to some really high number?  How can I see what real work my miners are doing?

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November 24, 2014, 07:57:10 PM
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I'm still trying to understand the pseudo shares.  If they're just busy work to make stats look good, and I don't care about what my stats look like, do I need them at all?  Seems like the busy work would generate unnecessary heat for my miners?  What happens if I set the pseudo share difficulty to some really high number?  How can I see what real work my miners are doing?

Pseudo shares are just for stats and they will not effect your earnings in any way, nor will they generate heat or additional work for your miners.  Only P2Pool shares matter.  Since P2Pool shares are much higher difficulty than a typical pool's shares, that causes quite a bit of variance on payouts and makes estimating your "real work" (actual hashrate) difficult.  Again, these problems are magnified for smaller miners and that is why the NastyPoP payout system was created.  If you'd like a visual representation of how often you could expect P2Pool shares to be accepted based on different hashrates, you can see in the NastyPool miner charts just how often miners submit an accepted P2Pool share by the green lines on the charts.  You can see it is currently quite common for someone with 1TH/s to go a day or more without submitting an accepted P2Pool share.

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November 24, 2014, 08:19:39 PM
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I'm still trying to understand the pseudo shares.  If they're just busy work to make stats look good, and I don't care about what my stats look like, do I need them at all?  Seems like the busy work would generate unnecessary heat for my miners?  What happens if I set the pseudo share difficulty to some really high number?  How can I see what real work my miners are doing?
As OgNasty stated, the pseudo shares don't have any value except to make your stats look nicer.  They aren't adding work to your miner, since your miner is solving difficulty 1 hashes anyway.  The best place to see the actual work your miners are doing is on the miner itself.  The only suffering is by the node you're mining on since if you set the pseudo difficulty too low, you flood the node with useless data.

You can also set your share difficulty via the "/" parameter.  That actually does do something, as long as you set it to a value higher than the current share difficulty of p2pool.  Unless you're running a couple hundred terra hash, you probably don't want to bother with that one either.

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November 24, 2014, 08:22:54 PM
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How does giving a chip more work not create more heat?  Even if all the heat is from running idle at clock speed, I could see a custom scenario where you could send api calls to the miners to adjust their clock based on whether they're getting real or fake work.  What percentage of work is real versus fake?

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November 24, 2014, 08:25:54 PM
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How does giving a chip more work not create more heat?  Even if all the heat is from running idle at clock speed, I could see a custom scenario where you could send api calls to the miners to adjust their clock based on whether they're getting real or fake work.  What percentage of work is real versus fake?
You aren't giving the chip more work.  The miner solves difficulty 1 shares.  The miner has no idea whatsoever if the work is "real" or "fake".  It just knows it has work to do.

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November 24, 2014, 08:29:16 PM
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  • HUC - I don't merge mine these as the client is a resource hog.  Anyone currently mining them?

I mine them. domob has made some excellent improvements on HUC lately, some kind of "pruning" in the code has made it much less of a resource hog - it's now one of the best performing coin daemons I have running, bitcoind being the worst.... Tongue

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  • HUC - I don't merge mine these as the client is a resource hog.  Anyone currently mining them?

I mine them. domob has made some excellent improvements on HUC lately, some kind of "pruning" in the code has made it much less of a resource hog - it's now one of the best performing coin daemons I have running, bitcoind being the worst.... Tongue
Oh yeah?  I might have to give them a try again, then.  They worth anything on the exchanges?

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November 24, 2014, 08:37:09 PM
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How does giving a chip more work not create more heat?  Even if all the heat is from running idle at clock speed, I could see a custom scenario where you could send api calls to the miners to adjust their clock based on whether they're getting real or fake work.  What percentage of work is real versus fake?
You aren't giving the chip more work.  The miner solves difficulty 1 shares.  The miner has no idea whatsoever if the work is "real" or "fake".  It just knows it has work to do.

I'm not going to pretend to have the best understanding of this so, please correct me if I'm wrong, but, I thought you had to give the mining hardware a chunk of work for it to process anything.  Are you saying that if I have a completely unconfigured miner it will be making up it's own work and trying to solve it?  I can see that the hashing chips wouldn't know the difference but, if my local p2pool node knows the difference, it could also know to tell the mining hardware to speed up or speed down.

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November 24, 2014, 08:38:22 PM
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  • HUC - I don't merge mine these as the client is a resource hog.  Anyone currently mining them?

I mine them. domob has made some excellent improvements on HUC lately, some kind of "pruning" in the code has made it much less of a resource hog - it's now one of the best performing coin daemons I have running, bitcoind being the worst.... Tongue
Oh yeah?  I might have to give them a try again, then.  They worth anything on the exchanges?

I've not looked tbh - just piling them up...... Wink

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November 24, 2014, 09:04:50 PM
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Looks like p2pool miners just gout the first donation we have received in a while Smiley

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November 24, 2014, 09:08:59 PM
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How does giving a chip more work not create more heat?  Even if all the heat is from running idle at clock speed, I could see a custom scenario where you could send api calls to the miners to adjust their clock based on whether they're getting real or fake work.  What percentage of work is real versus fake?
You aren't giving the chip more work.  The miner solves difficulty 1 shares.  The miner has no idea whatsoever if the work is "real" or "fake".  It just knows it has work to do.

I'm not going to pretend to have the best understanding of this so, please correct me if I'm wrong, but, I thought you had to give the mining hardware a chunk of work for it to process anything.  Are you saying that if I have a completely unconfigured miner it will be making up it's own work and trying to solve it?  I can see that the hashing chips wouldn't know the difference but, if my local p2pool node knows the difference, it could also know to tell the mining hardware to speed up or speed down.
You do give the hardware a chunk of work to process.  Basically you say, "create a block from this set of data".  If you have a 1TH/s miner, the miner will apply one trillion hashes per second to that data set.  If your miners aren't configured to any pool, or coin daemon, they sit idle since they have no work to do.  The mining software and the pool determine which of those results to actually submit.

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November 24, 2014, 09:09:48 PM
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Looks like p2pool miners just gout the first donation we have received in a while Smiley
You're welcome.  I sent the donation - hit a block of NMC/DVC, converted to BTC and donated to everyone.

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November 24, 2014, 09:17:11 PM
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How does giving a chip more work not create more heat?  Even if all the heat is from running idle at clock speed, I could see a custom scenario where you could send api calls to the miners to adjust their clock based on whether they're getting real or fake work.  What percentage of work is real versus fake?
You aren't giving the chip more work.  The miner solves difficulty 1 shares.  The miner has no idea whatsoever if the work is "real" or "fake".  It just knows it has work to do.

I'm not going to pretend to have the best understanding of this so, please correct me if I'm wrong, but, I thought you had to give the mining hardware a chunk of work for it to process anything.  Are you saying that if I have a completely unconfigured miner it will be making up it's own work and trying to solve it?  I can see that the hashing chips wouldn't know the difference but, if my local p2pool node knows the difference, it could also know to tell the mining hardware to speed up or speed down.
You're confusing "results" with "work". The work is always the same. The diff you're configuring is telling the miner what results it's interested in.

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Looks like p2pool miners just gout the first donation we have received in a while Smiley
You're welcome.  I sent the donation - hit a block of NMC/DVC, converted to BTC and donated to everyone.
Thanks!  It is good to be a p2pool miner.

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Looks like p2pool miners just gout the first donation we have received in a while Smiley
You're welcome.  I sent the donation - hit a block of NMC/DVC, converted to BTC and donated to everyone.

Nice one! Was thinking last week I had not seen a donation in a while Smiley

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Looks like p2pool miners just gout the first donation we have received in a while Smiley
You're welcome.  I sent the donation - hit a block of NMC/DVC, converted to BTC and donated to everyone.

Thanks!

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I just created a new p2pool node scanner at nodes.p2pool.co.  The other ones were either too buggy and even at the times they were not I still could never figure out which p2pool to mine.  How much does latency matter over "efficiency if no miners"?  

So I created the P2Pool.co Node Scanner.  I think it is the best P2Pool node scanner out there.

It includes a scoring algorithm to highlight the best p2pool near your location, and it factors every datapoint and combines it into a p2pool score.

The latency numbers are much more realistic than other node scanners (compare our latency numbers to actual pings that you run yourself and compare them to the other p2pool node scanners).

If you would like us to add your node or if you have any ideas to make this scanner better than PM me.

I would also like your feedback on the scoring algorithm.  At it stands now this is how the scoring works:

  • The score starts at 100
  • 16 * the fee is subtracted (fees are bad)
  • 4 * the donation fee is subtracted (donations are less bad)
  • 16 * the latency (ms) divided by 100 is subtracted (latency caries much weight with p2pool)
  • 8 * the getwork latency (ms) divided by 100 is subtracted (GWL is important as well)
  • Efficiency over 100 divided by 2 is added (under 100 is subtracted) (efficiency over 100% is good and less than 100% is bad)
  • Same for Efficiency If Miner Perfect (Nodes should not be punished if they just have a bad miner)
  • For 0 or 1 users, 8 is subtracted from the score (Low user p2pools have efficiencies rate that are unrealistically high)
  • Hash rate (TH/s) is divided by four and than added (people will put up more hashes the more they like the pool)
  • Uptime over 2 days adds a point and 0 days subtracts a point
  • An unknown version of the p2pool software subtracts 10 points
  • A warning (like bitcoind not running) gives a score of 0

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November 25, 2014, 02:08:49 AM
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I just created a new p2pool node scanner.  The other ones were either too buggy and even at the times they were not I still could never figure out which p2pool to mine.  How much does latency matter over "efficiency if no miners"? 

So I created the P2Pool.co Node Scanner.  I think it is the best P2Pool node scanner out there.

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Where can we access it?

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I just created a new p2pool node scanner.  The other ones were either too buggy and even at the times they were not I still could never figure out which p2pool to mine.  How much does latency matter over "efficiency if no miners"? 

So I created the P2Pool.co Node Scanner.  I think it is the best P2Pool node scanner out there.

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Where can we access it?

yeah, i try to find it too but cant locate it, need info

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