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February 11, 2015, 12:04:22 AM
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February 11, 2015, 12:25:52 AM
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I'd donate my house  Grin

Oh wait, it's rented. Meh, I'll donate it anyway...... Cheesy

Your house is tiny........ Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Still, it's the thought that counts. I think  Tongue

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February 11, 2015, 02:48:11 AM
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boys, need some info/help here. i downloaded latest version from github & managed to get it up & running in windows together with the req.

Python 2.7.9 (pywin32)
Twisted 14.0.2
Zope.Interface 3.8.0
python win32 api
python win32 api wmi wrapper 1.4.9

all of them are 32 bit versions, my pc is 64 bit (read somewhere that someone successfully ran it on 64 bit machine using 32 bit ver's cuz 64 bit ver's didnt work)

at first pool did not run properly came up with errors but after a while when it's done downloading some shares in the chain & a restart in bitcoin core it ran !

but after a while it hangs up especially when more miners are connecting to the node.

any ideas why ?
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February 11, 2015, 04:57:23 AM
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boys, need some info/help here. i downloaded latest version from github & managed to get it up & running in windows together with the req.

Python 2.7.9 (pywin32)
Twisted 14.0.2
Zope.Interface 3.8.0
python win32 api
python win32 api wmi wrapper 1.4.9

all of them are 32 bit versions, my pc is 64 bit (read somewhere that someone successfully ran it on 64 bit machine using 32 bit ver's cuz 64 bit ver's didnt work)

at first pool did not run properly came up with errors but after a while when it's done downloading some shares in the chain & a restart in bitcoin core it ran !

but after a while it hangs up especially when more miners are connecting to the node.

any ideas why ?

I just used the executable download from here: http://p2pool.in/#download  Seems to work fine on 64 bit Windows.

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February 11, 2015, 05:02:35 AM
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boys, need some info/help here. i downloaded latest version from github & managed to get it up & running in windows together with the req.

Python 2.7.9 (pywin32)
Twisted 14.0.2
Zope.Interface 3.8.0
python win32 api
python win32 api wmi wrapper 1.4.9

all of them are 32 bit versions, my pc is 64 bit (read somewhere that someone successfully ran it on 64 bit machine using 32 bit ver's cuz 64 bit ver's didnt work)

at first pool did not run properly came up with errors but after a while when it's done downloading some shares in the chain & a restart in bitcoin core it ran !

but after a while it hangs up especially when more miners are connecting to the node.

any ideas why ?

I just used the executable download from here: http://p2pool.in/#download  Seems to work fine on 64 bit Windows.

yeps, i've been using the exe version & it runs well on windows. what i want is an updated version of p2pool but sadly there isn't any update for the .exe version.

any kind soul can help to compile the latest .exe version ?
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February 11, 2015, 08:29:04 AM
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Try my skydrive, just uploaded latest win64 builds.

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February 11, 2015, 11:19:32 AM
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people lost interest in p2pool? pool rate was 3ph+ in dec-jan, now its 1.5-2.5 PH max. Also dont know who is the big guy who comes in and goes out now and then. I see big deviation from 1.5PH to 2.5PH frequently. why arent the miners staying at the pool or pool has some problem?
It is very true what you say. That why i left the pool.

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February 11, 2015, 11:25:29 AM
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people lost interest in p2pool? pool rate was 3ph+ in dec-jan, now its 1.5-2.5 PH max. Also dont know who is the big guy who comes in and goes out now and then. I see big deviation from 1.5PH to 2.5PH frequently. why arent the miners staying at the pool or pool has some problem?
It is very true what you say. That why i left the pool.


Right now the pool is showing:

Global pool rate:   3.21 PH/s (DOA 438.63 TH/s / 13.67%)   

As far as someone big coming and going it could be a large miner that rents his hash out and when its not rented then its here.
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February 11, 2015, 11:26:02 AM
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This is not hop proof.

Set up that user who GHS drop for 30 min or more lose there shares and his shares will be distribute among the users who stay longest.
This will make it hop proof and people will stay or go for good.

I was in P2pool for 6 months and it was the pool that pay the most, but since the bitcoin drop to 200 dollars it just died. If you look at the history 3 block per day and some days up to 5 blocks. I guest those days a long gone.  

Thanks.

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February 11, 2015, 02:52:11 PM
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To the DEV.
This is not hop proof.

Set up that user who GHS drop for 30 min or more lose there shares and his shares will be distribute among the users who stay longest.
This will make it hop proof and people will stay or go for good.

I was in P2pool for 6 months and it was the pool that pay the most, but since the bitcoin drop to 200 dollars it just died. If you look at the history 3 block per day and some days up to 5 blocks. I guest those days a long gone.  

Thanks.
If you've been around here for 6 months as you state, you'll know that the dev does not interact with the community at all, so you're wasting your time asking for changes.

There is no such thing as hop-proof.  Nothing you do can prevent somebody from moving off of this pool and onto another.  This pool is definitely not hopper friendly, though.  It takes a long time to ramp up your shares on the chain.  Because it takes so long for you to ramp up, it deters you from moving from pool to pool because you're not getting the full potential of your hashing power.  It's the same with any PPLNS pool.

Let's take an example.  For our example, we have a miner who expects to find 1 share per day and the pool expects to find 1 block per day.  If that miner only stays for 1 day, he'll only get 1 share on the chain.  If he stayed for a week, he'd have 3 shares on the chain:

Day 1 - 1 share
Day 2 - 2 shares
Day 3 - 3 shares
Day 4 - 3 shares
Day 5 - 3 shares
...

Your suggestion doesn't work.  For example, let's say that I'm a die-hard p2pool miner, but I don't own my own gear, I rent it.  Let's say that I forgot to send coins to the rental site and my rental ends.  I don't get it back up within the 30 minutes.  According to your plan, I lose everything.  What if that is 200TH/s worth of shares?  Well, right now, that would get you about 2.5BTC if a block were found.  You're saying that this person should forfeit that 2.5BTC.  Yeah, good luck getting support for that.

As for history, please do look at the historical block finds.  Sure, p2pool has had some exceptionally lucky streaks.  It's also had some pretty exceptionally bad luck streaks, too.  You'll see that it's not all roses and 3 and 5 block days when the price of BTC was over $200.  Take a look back through this thread and you'll see plenty of times people making posts about, "can we get a block please?" - even well before BTC dropped to its current price point.

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February 11, 2015, 05:42:04 PM
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Try my skydrive, just uploaded latest win64 builds.

I may check that out myself.  Is there anywhere I can look to see what changes may be present in this build versus the tolder 13.4 build on the p2pool.in site?

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February 11, 2015, 06:19:14 PM
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Try my skydrive, just uploaded latest win64 builds.

i'm getting lots of these:

  File "twisted\internet\base.pyc", line 800, in runUntilCurrent

--- <exception caught here> ---
  File "p2pool\bitcoin\stratum.pyc", line 38, in _send_work

  File "p2pool\bitcoin\worker_interface.pyc", line 129, in get_work

  File "p2pool\work.pyc", line 243, in get_work

p2pool.util.jsonrpc.NarrowError: -12345 p2pool is downloading shares
Unhandled Error
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "p2pool\main.pyc", line 666, in run

  File "twisted\internet\base.pyc", line 1169, in run

  File "twisted\internet\base.pyc", line 1178, in mainLoop

  File "twisted\internet\base.pyc", line 800, in runUntilCurrent

--- <exception caught here> ---
  File "p2pool\bitcoin\stratum.pyc", line 38, in _send_work

  File "p2pool\bitcoin\worker_interface.pyc", line 129, in get_work

  File "p2pool\work.pyc", line 243, in get_work

p2pool.util.jsonrpc.NarrowError: -12345 p2pool is downloading shares

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February 11, 2015, 07:16:53 PM
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Try my skydrive, just uploaded latest win64 builds.


p2pool.util.jsonrpc.NarrowError: -12345 p2pool is downloading shares



This might be a dumb question, but is your BitcoinQT fully synced?

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February 11, 2015, 08:19:30 PM
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Try my skydrive, just uploaded latest win64 builds.

i'm getting lots of these:

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p2pool.util.jsonrpc.NarrowError: -12345 p2pool is downloading shares


This means that P2Pool is syncing. Wait few (5?) minutes before you connect miner.

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February 12, 2015, 02:05:22 AM
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To the DEV.
This is not hop proof.

Set up that user who GHS drop for 30 min or more lose there shares and his shares will be distribute among the users who stay longest.
This will make it hop proof and people will stay or go for good.

I was in P2pool for 6 months and it was the pool that pay the most, but since the bitcoin drop to 200 dollars it just died. If you look at the history 3 block per day and some days up to 5 blocks. I guest those days a long gone.  

Thanks.
If you've been around here for 6 months as you state, you'll know that the dev does not interact with the community at all, so you're wasting your time asking for changes.

There is no such thing as hop-proof.  Nothing you do can prevent somebody from moving off of this pool and onto another.  This pool is definitely not hopper friendly, though.  It takes a long time to ramp up your shares on the chain.  Because it takes so long for you to ramp up, it deters you from moving from pool to pool because you're not getting the full potential of your hashing power.  It's the same with any PPLNS pool.

Let's take an example.  For our example, we have a miner who expects to find 1 share per day and the pool expects to find 1 block per day.  If that miner only stays for 1 day, he'll only get 1 share on the chain.  If he stayed for a week, he'd have 3 shares on the chain:

Day 1 - 1 share
Day 2 - 2 shares
Day 3 - 3 shares
Day 4 - 3 shares
Day 5 - 3 shares
...

Your suggestion doesn't work.  For example, let's say that I'm a die-hard p2pool miner, but I don't own my own gear, I rent it.  Let's say that I forgot to send coins to the rental site and my rental ends.  I don't get it back up within the 30 minutes.  According to your plan, I lose everything.  What if that is 200TH/s worth of shares?  Well, right now, that would get you about 2.5BTC if a block were found.  You're saying that this person should forfeit that 2.5BTC.  Yeah, good luck getting support for that.

As for history, please do look at the historical block finds.  Sure, p2pool has had some exceptionally lucky streaks.  It's also had some pretty exceptionally bad luck streaks, too.  You'll see that it's not all roses and 3 and 5 block days when the price of BTC was over $200.  Take a look back through this thread and you'll see plenty of times people making posts about, "can we get a block please?" - even well before BTC dropped to its current price point.

The guilty ones are the first one to come out....

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February 12, 2015, 02:13:10 AM
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If you're running a public node I suggest checking your graphs. Some dickhole is spamming work requests without doing any actual mining. It causes massive DOA spikes.


How long ago did this start.  I am the only one on my node and it seems to be doing fine.

Has anyone found anything yet on this.
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February 12, 2015, 02:28:52 AM
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Try my skydrive, just uploaded latest win64 builds.

i'm getting lots of these:

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p2pool.util.jsonrpc.NarrowError: -12345 p2pool is downloading shares


This means that P2Pool is syncing. Wait few (5?) minutes before you connect miner.

it's working well now after synching. thx for the upload & update.
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February 12, 2015, 02:34:13 AM
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To the DEV.
This is not hop proof.

Set up that user who GHS drop for 30 min or more lose there shares and his shares will be distribute among the users who stay longest.
This will make it hop proof and people will stay or go for good.

I was in P2pool for 6 months and it was the pool that pay the most, but since the bitcoin drop to 200 dollars it just died. If you look at the history 3 block per day and some days up to 5 blocks. I guest those days a long gone.  

Thanks.
It's PPLNS - learn about how PPLNS works - rather than making guesses based on small random samples that are not representative of the population and then coming up with some ludicrous idea about how to screw up a PPLNS pool.

But I guess, more importantly, learn a little about p2pool.
No node except your own node knows anything about your mining except when you find a share-chain share.
So your idea means that any p2pool node with less than something like 20THs will never get paid ... yay good idea there Tongue

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February 12, 2015, 03:30:51 AM
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To the DEV.
This is not hop proof.

Set up that user who GHS drop for 30 min or more lose there shares and his shares will be distribute among the users who stay longest.
This will make it hop proof and people will stay or go for good.

I was in P2pool for 6 months and it was the pool that pay the most, but since the bitcoin drop to 200 dollars it just died. If you look at the history 3 block per day and some days up to 5 blocks. I guest those days a long gone.  

Thanks.
It's PPLNS - learn about how PPLNS works - rather than making guesses based on small random samples that are not representative of the population and then coming up with some ludicrous idea about how to screw up a PPLNS pool.

But I guess, more importantly, learn a little about p2pool.
No node except your own node knows anything about your mining except when you find a share-chain share.
So your idea means that any p2pool node with less than something like 20THs will never get paid ... yay good idea there Tongue

I was going to take my time to answer you back, nut honestly I cant waist my time.  You are just dumb to what is going on. The best of luck for you guys.

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February 12, 2015, 03:33:51 AM
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To the DEV.
This is not hop proof.

Set up that user who GHS drop for 30 min or more lose there shares and his shares will be distribute among the users who stay longest.
This will make it hop proof and people will stay or go for good.

I was in P2pool for 6 months and it was the pool that pay the most, but since the bitcoin drop to 200 dollars it just died. If you look at the history 3 block per day and some days up to 5 blocks. I guest those days a long gone.  

Thanks.
It's PPLNS - learn about how PPLNS works - rather than making guesses based on small random samples that are not representative of the population and then coming up with some ludicrous idea about how to screw up a PPLNS pool.

But I guess, more importantly, learn a little about p2pool.
No node except your own node knows anything about your mining except when you find a share-chain share.
So your idea means that any p2pool node with less than something like 20THs will never get paid ... yay good idea there Tongue

I was going to take my time to answer you back, but honestly I cant waist my time.  You are just dumb to what is going on. The best of luck for you guys.

Now one positive thing about the pool; is that when you need help, you get it. That i can not take away from this team.

My quote is just a suggestion to keep miners in one place, work together and get paid well.

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