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November 18, 2014, 03:01:31 PM
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PPS for P2Pool has arrived! Give it a try and help us beta test.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=306611.0

Miners will notice a significant improvement to payout variance along with regular weekly payments.

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The NastyPool-PPS payout system has gone live.  I think this is particularly beneficial for smaller miners who are looking to support a decentralized mining network while at the same time greatly reducing their variance from typical P2Pool nodes.  I urge miners to give it a try and let me know your feedback.

server: nastyfans.org:9332
username: 1YourBitcoinAddress-PPS
password: anything
statistics: https://nastyfans.org/miners/

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November 19, 2014, 04:14:26 AM
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PPS for P2Pool has arrived! Give it a try and help us beta test.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=306611.0

Small miners will notice a significant improvement to payout variance along with regular weekly payments.

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The NastyPool-PPS payout system has gone live.  I think this is particularly beneficial for smaller miners who are looking to support a decentralized mining network while at the same time greatly reducing their variance from typical P2Pool nodes.  I urge miners to give it a try and let me know your feedback.

server: nastyfans.org:9332
username: 1YourBitcoinAddress-PPS
password: anything
statistics: https://nastyfans.org/miners/

That's good to know for small miners, but still doesn't help the bad luck we're seeing in finding blocks.  Over the past 5 days (120+ hours), only 4 blocks were found.  Not blaming you, of course.  I'm just disappointed in the (bad) luck in block solving.  I was hoping Bitmain's Antpool P2P solution would help P2Pool by adding more hashrate, which should increase the number of blocks found, purely from a statistics perspective.  But the jury is still out on the overall value of Antpool P2P to P2Pool.  Or maybe a better way to put it is, many believe Antpool P2P does not add value to P2Pool's core fundamentals of mining decentralization.  The same could be said regarding NastyPool.  I'm not saying that is a bad thing.  It's just that your pool is similar to a traditional pool, as it shows up to the P2Pool chain as a single Bitcoin address.
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By the way, for any miners in the US-Midwest looking to mine on P2Pool, or looking for a backup, my node is fast and free.   Grin

The server has a i5-3350p (Ivy Bridge), which is plenty fast for single thread performance, which is where it matters.  16GB DDR3-2133, ASUS Sabertooth Z77 Motherboard, RAID-1 240GB Samsung SSD.  And here's the most important part; a dedicated business network line (100Mb down, 4Mbit up) only for Bitcoin P2Pool.  All my other networking is using a residential line.  Anyway.. if you have a need, check it out.  I live in the suburbs of St. Louis.  The website is very basic with just the mining statistics for now.  When my Bitmain L1 arrives, I will get my Litecoin P2Pool node running again.  Cool

http://bitcoin.missouriminer.com:9332/
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November 19, 2014, 05:18:28 AM
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PPS for P2Pool has arrived! Give it a try and help us beta test.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=306611.0

Miners will notice a significant improvement to payout variance along with regular weekly payments.

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The NastyPool-PPS payout system has gone live.  I think this is particularly beneficial for smaller miners who are looking to support a decentralized mining network while at the same time greatly reducing their variance from typical P2Pool nodes.  I urge miners to give it a try and let me know your feedback.

server: nastyfans.org:9332
username: 1YourBitcoinAddress-PPS
password: anything
statistics: https://nastyfans.org/miners/

That's good to know for small miners, but still doesn't help the bad luck we're seeing in finding blocks.  Over the past 5 days (120+ hours), only 4 blocks were found.  Not blaming you, of course.  I'm just disappointed in the (bad) luck in block solving.  I was hoping Bitmain's Antpool P2P solution would help P2Pool by adding more hashrate, which should increase the number of blocks found, purely from a statistics perspective.  But the jury is still out on the overall value of Antpool P2P to P2Pool.  Or maybe a better way to put it is, many believe Antpool P2P does not add value to P2Pool's core fundamentals of mining decentralization.  The same could be said regarding NastyPool.  I'm not saying that is a bad thing.  It's just that your pool is similar to a traditional pool, as it shows up to the P2Pool chain as a single Bitcoin address.

The goal was to build a more traditional style payout solution on the back of the P2Pool network to solve the high share difficulty level that discourages small and mid-sized miners with erratic payouts.  You can now get weekly payouts by mining P2Pool via NastyPool with as little as 10MH/s.  I think that does add value to P2Pool.

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November 19, 2014, 05:47:45 AM
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PPS for P2Pool has arrived! Give it a try and help us beta test.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=306611.0

Miners will notice a significant improvement to payout variance along with regular weekly payments.

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The NastyPool-PPS payout system has gone live.  I think this is particularly beneficial for smaller miners who are looking to support a decentralized mining network while at the same time greatly reducing their variance from typical P2Pool nodes.  I urge miners to give it a try and let me know your feedback.

server: nastyfans.org:9332
username: 1YourBitcoinAddress-PPS
password: anything
statistics: https://nastyfans.org/miners/

That's good to know for small miners, but still doesn't help the bad luck we're seeing in finding blocks.  Over the past 5 days (120+ hours), only 4 blocks were found.  Not blaming you, of course.  I'm just disappointed in the (bad) luck in block solving.  I was hoping Bitmain's Antpool P2P solution would help P2Pool by adding more hashrate, which should increase the number of blocks found, purely from a statistics perspective.  But the jury is still out on the overall value of Antpool P2P to P2Pool.  Or maybe a better way to put it is, many believe Antpool P2P does not add value to P2Pool's core fundamentals of mining decentralization.  The same could be said regarding NastyPool.  I'm not saying that is a bad thing.  It's just that your pool is similar to a traditional pool, as it shows up to the P2Pool chain as a single Bitcoin address.

The goal was to build a more traditional style payout solution on the back of the P2Pool network to solve the high share difficulty level that discourages small and mid-sized miners with erratic payouts.  You can now get weekly payouts by mining P2Pool via NastyPool with as little as 10MH/s.  I think that does add value to P2Pool.

I agree with your statements, and small miners definitely need the type of help your pool provides.  Even a 1TH/s miner is only getting 1 share every 12 or so hours.  I did not intend any negative comments about your pool.  I mainly tried to reference community feedback regarding the value of Antpool P2P towards decentralization, and it has more to do with the way Bitmain advertised their work towards P2Pool.  And I thought your pool had a similar approach, therefore you got hit with my shrapnel.  Sorry about that.   Bitmain made a statement several weeks (months?) ago that they were going to merge a decent sized pool (~5 PH/s) into P2Pool and add value to P2Pool's existing implementation.  It turns out their implementation is not what was expected by the community majority, or so it seems.  The discussion can be found here.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855548.0   By the way, I really like Bitmain's hardware.  For me they have been rock solid, and customer support has been good.  They sent me an S3 controller card when I essentially bricked an S3 with a firmware upgrade fail.  But this does not mean I agree 100% with everything they do.  I'm still waiting to see the final outcome of their P2P, and hoping for the best.
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November 19, 2014, 09:23:55 AM
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I notice that p2pool.info not updating. Are there problems? Does Forrest not have time/interest in maintaining it?

I would be happy to step up to help here. I can also provide hosting if that becomes a issue.

If this is already discussed maybe someone can point me to the discussion?

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I notice that p2pool.info not updating. Are there problems? Does Forrest not have time/interest in maintaining it?

I would be happy to step up to help here. I can also provide hosting if that becomes a issue.

If this is already discussed maybe someone can point me to the discussion?

p2pool.info hasn't worked properly since forrestv took ownership of it many months ago, and yes, he's not interested in fixing it. A better source of p2pool info is:

http://minefast.coincadence.com/p2pool-stats.php

Forrestv no longer participates in any discussions here either - you can try sending him a PM of course regarding taking ownership of p2pool.info - but don't hold your breath waiting for a reply  Wink

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November 20, 2014, 06:29:15 AM
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I haven't received a share in over 24 hours, I was running 1.6 TH/s for most of the day, and a few hours ago added some to total 2.5 TH/s.  I had been getting two or three shares a day consistently for the last couple weeks.  Is there some way to troubleshoot this to make sure all is working?  I have a local node running p2pool in Linux and six antminer S3s.  I don't see any complaints in the p2pool log, and the status page looks ok, just no new shares.  Should I restart p2pool on my local node, is there any penalty in doing a restart, I mean, would I have to wait for some ramp up period again, or does it pick back up where it left off?

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I should also mention that I have my difficulty set to 512 by appending +512 to my wallet address, I was using /5000+512 based on a recommendation from some tutorial, but I didn't understand the /5000 and took it out to troubleshoot

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I should also mention that I have my difficulty set to 512 by appending +512 to my wallet address, I was using /5000+512 based on a recommendation from some tutorial, but I didn't understand the /5000 and took it out to troubleshoot
/50000 give you share of that power, but only if pool share is LESS than this number. It is way more so it can be removed.
+512 give you work units on this power to solve - it makes that traffic between you and pool is less than if you not use it.

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November 20, 2014, 11:27:19 AM
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The statement regarding not getting a share is the same as saying:
I picked a card 20 times and didn't get a Jack - there's something wrong with the deck of cards.

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November 20, 2014, 02:11:12 PM
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Got an email this morning from Bitmain announcing, among other things, the launch of AntPool.

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Additionally, we’d like to share with you our new product - Antpool (antpool.com), which has been proven to be stable and secure through its long testing period. Antpool encompasses both a traditional pool at stratum.antpool.com:3333 or solo.antpool.com:3333 and a p2p pool at p2p.antpool.com:3333.

The p2p.antpool.com:3333 URL resolves to this error page:



Does not seem like they are off to a strong start....

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November 20, 2014, 02:32:56 PM
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Got an email this morning from Bitmain announcing, among other things, the launch of AntPool.

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Additionally, we’d like to share with you our new product - Antpool (antpool.com), which has been proven to be stable and secure through its long testing period. Antpool encompasses both a traditional pool at stratum.antpool.com:3333 or solo.antpool.com:3333 and a p2p pool at p2p.antpool.com:3333.

The p2p.antpool.com:3333 URL resolves to this error page:



Does not seem like they are off to a strong start....

I don't think I got that email.  Did it say if the p2p code was now available for download, so we can run our own nodes?  I see the Github repository has some updates, but I can't assume it is ready, nor did I see any new instructions for setting up a node.
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Greetings! We are glad to inform you that BITMAIN has kicked off its promotional season! BITMAIN began business exactly one year ago, and is celebrating its 1st birthday with great discounts. Coupons were issued to previous customers last weekend, to be used against the S3+, S4 and C1 miners.

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Additionally, we’d like to share with you our new product - Antpool (antpool.com), which has been proven to be stable and secure through its long testing period. Antpool encompasses both a traditional pool at stratum.antpool.com:3333 or solo.antpool.com:3333 and a p2p pool at p2p.antpool.com:3333.

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Thanks.  I just now received the email. lol
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November 20, 2014, 03:24:23 PM
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I got it too. I don't know though, it's all very vague & still leaves a lot of unanswered questions. I've PM'd the two pool engineers from the Bitmain thread (ktzhan & xlc1985) in an effort to get some clarification, as asking on the actual thread gets either no reply or a dogie comment/guess.

I was really hoping that Bitmain would have been more open about the whole matter tbh, but the more I look at it, the more I get the impression that they are just cashing in on the "decentralization" pitch - as ckolivas said earlier. Not much benefit to p2pool at all, as it stands. If any.

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November 20, 2014, 03:38:34 PM
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The statement regarding not getting a share is the same as saying:
I picked a card 20 times and didn't get a Jack - there's something wrong with the deck of cards.

It's more like saying, I'm using one of those card dealing machines from Vegas to deal me 3 cards a second.  For the last two weeks I've gotten 1-3 four of kinds every 24 hours, then for 35 hours, I get zero, and I think a card got stuck in the machine.  I did finally get a share today but, then it got orphaned.  Is it normal with 2TH/s to have a stretch of 35 hours with no share?  Is 2.5TH/s big enough to compete in p2pool?  If we're talking about random odds, it seems less likely that I would go that long without getting a share than it does that I would get three shares in a day.  I'm fine if this is normal, just trying to learn what to expect, and trying to make sure my systems are configured correctly.

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November 20, 2014, 03:45:25 PM
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The statement regarding not getting a share is the same as saying:
I picked a card 20 times and didn't get a Jack - there's something wrong with the deck of cards.

It's more like saying, I'm using one of those card dealing machines from Vegas to deal me 3 cards a second.  For the last two weeks I've gotten 1-3 four of kinds every 24 hours, then for 35 hours, I get zero, and I think a card got stuck in the machine.  I did finally get a share today but, then it got orphaned.  Is it normal with 2TH/s to have a stretch of 35 hours with no share?  Is 2.5TH/s big enough to compete in p2pool?  If we're talking about random odds, it seems less likely that I would go that long without getting a share than it does that I would get three shares in a day.  I'm fine if this is normal, just trying to learn what to expect, and trying to make sure my systems are configured correctly.

I have also had bad luck lately.  I have 10TH/s (from only 7 miners) and recently went 10-11 hours without a share, and have gone 6 hours without a share many times over the past 5 days. My "expected time to share" is under 2 hours.  I am not sure if that statistic is accurate anymore.  I'm having a hard time convincing myself to stay with P2Pool.
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November 20, 2014, 03:53:01 PM
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It's variance & luck guys - keep with it. Patience is the key with p2pool  Wink

On a different note, Evan (DRK dev) over on the Darkcoin thread wants everyone to use p2pool for mining, but has also suggested that it needs a complete re-write. I've posted asking him if he knows of anyone who could manage it - maybe with a few more of us giving him some inspiration?  Cheesy

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=213051.msg2234739#msg2234739

Judging by what he has done with DRK - he certainly is an excellent coder.

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November 20, 2014, 04:01:25 PM
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The statement regarding not getting a share is the same as saying:
I picked a card 20 times and didn't get a Jack - there's something wrong with the deck of cards.

It's more like saying, I'm using one of those card dealing machines from Vegas to deal me 3 cards a second.  For the last two weeks I've gotten 1-3 four of kinds every 24 hours, then for 35 hours, I get zero, and I think a card got stuck in the machine.  I did finally get a share today but, then it got orphaned.  Is it normal with 2TH/s to have a stretch of 35 hours with no share?  Is 2.5TH/s big enough to compete in p2pool?  If we're talking about random odds, it seems less likely that I would go that long without getting a share than it does that I would get three shares in a day.  I'm fine if this is normal, just trying to learn what to expect, and trying to make sure my systems are configured correctly.

Shares are all about luck.  Your miner(s) process a hunk of data, then looks at the result.  If the result is of "high" enough value, it's submitted.  p2pool then looks at the work submitted, and if it's of "high" enough value for the share chain, it's submitted to the rest the pool.  The rest of the pool either accepts it, or rejects it (orphan/dead).

That's what mining is all about.  Higher hash rates simply means your miners are doing more of what I stated above more often.  That means it's more likely to find a "higher" value share, but it's still all about luck.

BTW, the same logic applies to blocks.  If the share is REALLY "high", then it's considered a block and submitted to the Bitcoin network.  If it's accepted, payout occurs based on the content of the block.  If it's not.. it's called an orphan.

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