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Author Topic: [1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool  (Read 2032952 times)
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November 20, 2014, 04:30:05 PM
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Thanks for the replies guys, I'm starting to understand a little more.
I'd like to be able to play with this and other settings but, it's unclear to me what happens if I restart the p2pool service on my local node.  Can I restart p2pool and have it pick back up where it left off, or do I need to wait some period of time after restarting to see if my changes affected anything?  Is there a penalty when I shut my service down and my miners fail over to an external p2pool service?  I understand that with the randomness of what we're doing this is not set in stone, my question is if there is something built in to p2pool to force me to wait after a restart of the service.  I see mention of a ramp up time, is p2pool doing something specific during the ramp up, or is that just referring to the time it takes to wait for random luck?


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November 20, 2014, 04:58:11 PM
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Thanks for the replies guys, I'm starting to understand a little more.
I'd like to be able to play with this and other settings but, it's unclear to me what happens if I restart the p2pool service on my local node.  Can I restart p2pool and have it pick back up where it left off, or do I need to wait some period of time after restarting to see if my changes affected anything?  Is there a penalty when I shut my service down and my miners fail over to an external p2pool service?  I understand that with the randomness of what we're doing this is not set in stone, my question is if there is something built in to p2pool to force me to wait after a restart of the service.  I see mention of a ramp up time, is p2pool doing something specific during the ramp up, or is that just referring to the time it takes to wait for random luck?



When you restart your node your existing shares are not affected.

You will break the connection you have with any peers and they will have to be re-established. Also, it does take a few minutes to re-download the share chain, and on most front ends your stats will reset.

A cool feature for minimum downtime is that you can have 2 instances of p2pool running at once (while only one is active). So if you start the new instance before killing the old one and wait a few minutes to kill the old one you will have a very small window of downtime.


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November 20, 2014, 05:05:29 PM
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The statement regarding not getting a share is the same as saying:
I picked a card 20 times and didn't get a Jack - there's something wrong with the deck of cards.

It's more like saying, I'm using one of those card dealing machines from Vegas to deal me 3 cards a second.  For the last two weeks I've gotten 1-3 four of kinds every 24 hours, then for 35 hours, I get zero, and I think a card got stuck in the machine.  I did finally get a share today but, then it got orphaned.  Is it normal with 2TH/s to have a stretch of 35 hours with no share?  Is 2.5TH/s big enough to compete in p2pool?  If we're talking about random odds, it seems less likely that I would go that long without getting a share than it does that I would get three shares in a day.  I'm fine if this is normal, just trying to learn what to expect, and trying to make sure my systems are configured correctly.

I have also had bad luck lately.  I have 10TH/s (from only 7 miners) and recently went 10-11 hours without a share, and have gone 6 hours without a share many times over the past 5 days. My "expected time to share" is under 2 hours.  I am not sure if that statistic is accurate anymore.  I'm having a hard time convincing myself to stay with P2Pool.

This is exactly why we implemented a new payout system for NastyPool. You will not have this variance if you mine on our P2Pool node at nastyfans.org:9332 and add -PPS to the end of your Bitcoin address...

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November 20, 2014, 06:01:06 PM
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Is it me - or is everyone jumping on the decentralized p2pool band wagon?

@Ognasty: Is your pool connected to the p2pool share chain? The only way this will benefit p2pool is if you were, & I can't see it anywhere. Or am I just not getting it?  Wink

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November 20, 2014, 06:05:21 PM
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Is it me - or is everyone jumping on the decentralized p2pool band wagon?

@Ognasty: Is your pool connected to the p2pool share chain? The only way this will benefit p2pool is if you were, & I can't see it anywhere. Or am I just not getting it?  Wink

It is of course connected to the p2pool share chain (and we announced our plan to offer this more than a year ago).  The goal for us was to build upon the back of p2pool, not try and steal the idea.  The address we're using for our custom payout system is 1NastyBTCcxbAQQ22kEijbXqgyBPRujftL and should be independently verifiable as mining on the p2pool share chain.

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November 20, 2014, 06:11:28 PM
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Is it me - or is everyone jumping on the decentralized p2pool band wagon?

@Ognasty: Is your pool connected to the p2pool share chain? The only way this will benefit p2pool is if you were, & I can't see it anywhere. Or am I just not getting it?  Wink

It is of course connected to the p2pool share chain (and we announced our plan to offer this more than a year ago).  The goal for us was to improve upon the back of p2pool, not try and steal the idea.  The address we're using for our custom payout system is 1NastyBTCcxbAQQ22kEijbXqgyBPRujftL and should be independently verifiable as mining on the p2pool share chain.

Ah, I see it now - was looking for a different address - thanks  Smiley

I presume you've changed the p2pool code - is there a link to it anywhere?

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November 20, 2014, 06:24:22 PM
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Is it me - or is everyone jumping on the decentralized p2pool band wagon?

@Ognasty: Is your pool connected to the p2pool share chain? The only way this will benefit p2pool is if you were, & I can't see it anywhere. Or am I just not getting it?  Wink

It is of course connected to the p2pool share chain (and we announced our plan to offer this more than a year ago).  The goal for us was to improve upon the back of p2pool, not try and steal the idea.  The address we're using for our custom payout system is 1NastyBTCcxbAQQ22kEijbXqgyBPRujftL and should be independently verifiable as mining on the p2pool share chain.

Ah, I see it now - was looking for a different address - thanks  Smiley

I presume you've changed the p2pool code - is there a link to it anywhere?

*I* cannot claim responsibility for the development.  nonnakip wrote the payout system from scratch in C-code and it runs on top of the default p2pool code.

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Gotcha. So he made the changes on git I presume - can you ask him to post a link to it?

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Gotcha. So he made the changes on git I presume - can you ask him to post a link to it?

Thanks  Smiley

No.  We use the default p2pool code so there are no changes to be made on git.  It is a separate payout system developed for NastyPool that is written in a different computer language (C vs Python).

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November 20, 2014, 09:20:59 PM
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Gotcha. So he made the changes on git I presume - can you ask him to post a link to it?

Thanks  Smiley

No.  I don't believe any changes were made or are planned to be made on git.  It is a separate payout system developed for NastyPool that is written in a different computer language (C vs Python).
Are there plans to open source that code and allow others to use it on their nodes?

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Gotcha. So he made the changes on git I presume - can you ask him to post a link to it?

Thanks  Smiley

No.  I don't believe any changes were made or are planned to be made on git.  It is a separate payout system developed for NastyPool that is written in a different computer language (C vs Python).

Are there plans to open source that code and allow others to use it on their nodes?

I find it interesting that all of the communications I've received so far are asking if there are plans to give this development away, but nobody has even tried mining on our node with it yet.   Undecided

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November 20, 2014, 10:16:03 PM
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Gotcha. So he made the changes on git I presume - can you ask him to post a link to it?

Thanks  Smiley

No.  I don't believe any changes were made or are planned to be made on git.  It is a separate payout system developed for NastyPool that is written in a different computer language (C vs Python).

Are there plans to open source that code and allow others to use it on their nodes?

I find it interesting that all of the communications I've received so far are asking if there are plans to give this development away, but nobody has even tried mining on our node with it yet.   Undecided

Give it time  Wink

People are wary of closed source mining software, and rightly so. Personally, I won't touch anything that's not open source, which was one of the reasons I chose p2pool in the first place. I'm not for one moment suggesting that your software isn't kosher, & I congratulate you on your efforts - I just prefer to see what code I'm using, as do most others  Wink

I'm sure you'll get some testers soon, and look forward to seeing the results  Smiley

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November 21, 2014, 01:22:19 AM
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Gotcha. So he made the changes on git I presume - can you ask him to post a link to it?

Thanks  Smiley

No.  I don't believe any changes were made or are planned to be made on git.  It is a separate payout system developed for NastyPool that is written in a different computer language (C vs Python).

Are there plans to open source that code and allow others to use it on their nodes?

I find it interesting that all of the communications I've received so far are asking if there are plans to give this development away, but nobody has even tried mining on our node with it yet.   Undecided

Give it time  Wink

People are wary of closed source mining software, and rightly so. Personally, I won't touch anything that's not open source, which was one of the reasons I chose p2pool in the first place. I'm not for one moment suggesting that your software isn't kosher, & I congratulate you on your efforts - I just prefer to see what code I'm using, as do most others  Wink

I'm sure you'll get some testers soon, and look forward to seeing the results  Smiley
I'm happy to test it on my node and my main point of asking that was are you willing to share your efforts to benefit everyone. I looked at your pool way back but couldn't see how i could use it since all memberships were filled and you had to be a member to mine on it apparently. Nasty always to me seemed a boys club that only the privileged are given access to so I gave up on it.

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I looked at your pool way back but couldn't see how i could use it since all memberships were filled and you had to be a member to mine on it apparently. Nasty always to me seemed a boys club that only the privileged are given access to so I gave up on it.

It isn't my pool, but NastyPool has always operated as a default p2pool node with 0% fee.  You don't need to own a NastyFans seat to mine on it or see your stats, even now with the new -PPS option.  If you did want the benefits of owning a NastyFans seat, they can be purchased currently for ~0.01 BTC.  That's hardly a boys club that only privileged are given access to.  I'm sorry you feel that way.


I just prefer to see what code I'm using, as do most others  Wink

Fair enough, although you wouldn't be the one executing the code so even seeing it wouldn't be proof enough for you to switch to NastyPool.  Independent testing would be the only thing that would convince we are truly operating fairly with a 0% fee.

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November 21, 2014, 05:37:47 PM
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A cool feature for minimum downtime is that you can have 2 instances of p2pool running at once (while only one is active). So if you start the new instance before killing the old one and wait a few minutes to kill the old one you will have a very small window of downtime.


Do I need to copy the p2pool code to a second directory to run a second instance?

And some other questions,

What is the advantage for me in opening port 9333 on my firewall, and why would p2pool tell me I have incoming peers when I don't have the port open?  "Peers: 18 (12 incoming)"  I know the port is currently closed to the outside, maybe my modems firewall allows established connections like my iptables?

Does p2pool ever rotate data/bitcoin/log ?


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November 21, 2014, 05:53:33 PM
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No, you can just run another instance from the same directory.

Helps finding peers, but you seem to be doing fine - so I'd leave it as is.

Not sure what you mean by the third question though, sorry  Tongue

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Does p2pool ever rotate data/bitcoin/log ?



It does not rotate it, however it is capped at a certain size, I think 100MB.

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November 21, 2014, 06:35:43 PM
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One of my S2's just found a massive share - 3,095,261,251 !! Biggest one I ever mined - on an S2 as well!  Cheesy



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Looking into the pseudo share difficulty setting ( SomeWalletAddress+512 ), it seems meaningless to configure, especially when running a local p2pool node.  So, now I'm confused as to why Bitmain says to set the share difficulty on Antminer S3 to 512 in their FAQ, their answer leads me to believe they don't actually understand what that value represents.  After removing the +512 my local node is assigning difficulties in the range of 500-800, is my node calculating which difficulty to give me based on the total hashrate of my miners, or the hashrate of each individual miner, or something completely different? 

If I calculate this based on a couple other sites rule of thumb, I get a difficulty around 3016 for my total hashing power, and 522 for per miner.  I don't see why the p2pool node should care about a setting based on per miner, I mean what's the difference from the view of the p2pool node if I have one 2TH miner, or four 500GH miners? It seems like the the difficulty assigned should be for the whole of the hashing power.

From Bitmain FAQ:
" AntMiners support p2pool. Static difficulty configuration recommended.
Since p2pool adjusts the difficulty frequently, therefore would bring hash rate loss when the difficulty changes at any time. As a result is that AntMiners' hash rate may be a little lower than that released officially when they are mining in p2pool.
We suggest you configure a static difficulty for AntMiner, when you mine in p2pool. Recommended difficulty is 256 or 512.

2. How to configure a static diff when AntMiner mines in p2pool?
Through ‘Status->Miner Configuration‘, configure Pool Worker as 'BTC address/256+256' or 'BTC address+256'.
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November 21, 2014, 08:02:50 PM
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I found setting diff made no difference whatsoever - so I just let my node decide & run the antminers normally. Works fine  Smiley

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