[1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool

[mdude77]

I'm thinking of switching to P2Pool but don't want to run my own node. I've looked at the node list and some like p2pool.org seem like scams. Can someone suggest a node in the southeast i"m in Charlotte NC? Would be running about 10-15TH depending on how I decide to split it. Thanks

Coincadence or mdudes pool node

Mine is in LA, CA.

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[RoadStress]

I'm thinking of switching to P2Pool but don't want to run my own node. I've looked at the node list and some like p2pool.org seem like scams. Can someone suggest a node in the southeast i"m in Charlotte NC? Would be running about 10-15TH depending on how I decide to split it. Thanks

http://p2pool-nodes.info/ Search here for an US node where you have the lowest latency. If you don't know what latency is then just ping the nodes from the same network as your miner and pick the lowest ping(measured in ms=milliseconds).

Good luck!

[PatMan]

I see there's been an update for p2pool......anyone tried it?

Would be nice if forrestv would make some kind of announcement - but at least he updated the header to reflect the hash rate.....

[hamburgerhelper]

If you are mining on P2Pool.org you are paying a 100% fee!

I was afraid this might happen...

After 2 weeks of being pointed to http://minefast.coincadence.com with instructions to switch nodes, and an additional week of being completely offline I restarted the p2pool node at p2pool.org at a 100% fee, there is still over 800GH/s mining there.

On Thursday when we launch the new site it will become apparent why we are running p2pool.org at a 100% fee.

Anyway, if those are your miners and you do not want to contribute 100% of your mining power to p2pool.org, you may want to move them to another node

Hi windpath,

If your goal is to shut down the p2pool node on p2pool.org, I think the most direct way to accomplish that would be to turn off the p2pool software. Taking 100% of the mining proceeds could be interpreted in a negative way, especially by the miners connected to the node. Sure, you could say that they should have paid closer attention to their equipment but they may not see it that way! Maybe there is a technical reason that you can't turn off the p2pool node and the 100% tax is the only way to get people off of the node?

I'm not trying to criticize you personally, I just think that this could be handled in a way that doesn't potentially lead to angry miners, lawsuits, bad publicity for p2pool, etc.

Thanks for all of your efforts to make p2pool easier to use and enhance its popularity. I know that you've worked hard to grow p2pool, and I appreciate your efforts.

[windpath]

If you are mining on P2Pool.org you are paying a 100% fee!

I was afraid this might happen...

After 2 weeks of being pointed to http://minefast.coincadence.com with instructions to switch nodes, and an additional week of being completely offline I restarted the p2pool node at p2pool.org at a 100% fee, there is still over 800GH/s mining there.

On Thursday when we launch the new site it will become apparent why we are running p2pool.org at a 100% fee.

Anyway, if those are your miners and you do not want to contribute 100% of your mining power to p2pool.org, you may want to move them to another node

Hi windpath,

If your goal is to shut down the p2pool node on p2pool.org, I think the most direct way to accomplish that would be to turn off the p2pool software. Taking 100% of the mining proceeds could be interpreted in a negative way, especially by the miners connected to the node. Sure, you could say that they should have paid closer attention to their equipment but they may not see it that way! Maybe there is a technical reason that you can't turn off the p2pool node and the 100% tax is the only way to get people off of the node?

I'm not trying to criticize you personally, I just think that this could be handled in a way that doesn't potentially lead to angry miners, lawsuits, bad publicity for p2pool, etc.

Thanks for all of your efforts to make p2pool easier to use and enhance its popularity. I know that you've worked hard to grow p2pool, and I appreciate your efforts.

For now this seems like the only viable solution, the node is offline.

If your miners are set to mine on p2pool.org and you do not wish to contribute all your hash power to our as yet unannounced project, then I suggest you point them elsewhere, when the node does come back online it will remain at a 100% fee

Feel free to mine on minefast.CoinCadence.com for a 0% fee...

[norgan]

ok guys, I want to compile p2pool for windows. I've tried a few times but always have issues with missing modules such as twisted and zope. doesn't seem to matter how I install them. anyone got a definitive guide for compiling a new p2pool build on windows with the latest versions of twisted and zope etc

[PatMan]

Never done it on windoze I'm afraid, sorry.

Just a heads up for you mergers out there, HUC & NMC have both been updated - less mem usage & a few more techy bits.......

[CartmanSPC]

In regard to merge mining (and I apologize if I've missed it in this thread)...how do you pay found merge mined blocks back to your nodes miners? I see that some people manually convert merge mined coins to BTC and then do a "send many" back to p2pool but has anyone figure out something better?

Someone forked proxy pool to accept a second coins payment address in the password field but every public site using it has since shut down. I am concerned that it may not be a viable solution. 

[zvs]

I'm thinking of switching to P2Pool but don't want to run my own node. I've looked at the node list and some like p2pool.org seem like scams. Can someone suggest a node in the southeast i"m in Charlotte NC? Would be running about 10-15TH depending on how I decide to split it. Thanks

http://p2pool-nodes.info/ Search here for an US node where you have the lowest latency. If you don't know what latency is then just ping the nodes from the same network as your miner and pick the lowest ping(measured in ms=milliseconds).

Good luck!

 

Find nodes with at least a few hundred shares.  Ignore pool's DOA rate unless it's abnormal (like the old p2pool.org's).  Divide orphans by number of shares, get pool's orphan %.  Depending on what the p2pool is mining, it'll interrupt x amount of times per hour.  Take ping time, multiple it by 2, then multiply it by the number of interruptions.  200ms x 2 = 400ms round trip x 4 interrupts per minute = 1600ms = 1.6s out of 60 = pure latency DOA of 2.7%.  If pool X has a 0% fee, 10% orphan rate, and 20ms latency, and pool y has 0% fee, 7% orphan rate, and 220ms latency, then pool y is better for you.

[jonnybravo0311]

In regard to merge mining (and I apologize if I've missed it in this thread)...how do you pay found merge mined blocks back to your nodes miners? I see that some people manually convert merge mined coins to BTC and then do a "send many" back to p2pool but has anyone figure out something better?

Someone forked proxy pool to accept a second coins payment address in the password field but every public site using it has since shut down. I am concerned that it may not be a viable solution. 

You haven't missed it.  There's absolutely no support for it, and in the current state of the code, there's no way to even do it.  For example, let's say that I mine on node 1 for some time and find 3 shares.  I move onto node 2.  I find 5 more shares.  I move back to node 1 again, and I find a share that solves a merged coin block.  How does the node pay me?  What about paying other miners who had previously been on the node, but for whatever reason have since moved off?  Besides this, how do you know to which addresses to pay out the coins?

There are a lot of changes that would be required to ever be able to handle paying out merged coins to miners in any way.

[MinermanNC]

In regard to merge mining (and I apologize if I've missed it in this thread)...how do you pay found merge mined blocks back to your nodes miners? I see that some people manually convert merge mined coins to BTC and then do a "send many" back to p2pool but has anyone figure out something better?

Someone forked proxy pool to accept a second coins payment address in the password field but every public site using it has since shut down. I am concerned that it may not be a viable solution. 

You haven't missed it.  There's absolutely no support for it, and in the current state of the code, there's no way to even do it.  For example, let's say that I mine on node 1 for some time and find 3 shares.  I move onto node 2.  I find 5 more shares.  I move back to node 1 again, and I find a share that solves a merged coin block.  How does the node pay me?  What about paying other miners who had previously been on the node, but for whatever reason have since moved off?  Besides this, how do you know to which addresses to pay out the coins?

There are a lot of changes that would be required to ever be able to handle paying out merged coins to miners in any way.

Hey jonnybravo0311,

I sent you a PM about p2pool merged mining etc. not sure you can answer. Feel free to post my question in thread here if you think any answers will help you may have. 

thx
MMNC

[MinermanNC]

I'm thinking of switching to P2Pool but don't want to run my own node. I've looked at the node list and some like p2pool.org seem like scams. Can someone suggest a node in the southeast i"m in Charlotte NC? Would be running about 10-15TH depending on how I decide to split it. Thanks

Windpath has his node in VA.  http://minefast.coincadence.com.  By the way, p2pool.org is not a scam.  Windpath owns that domain now and is turning it into an informational site.  There is still a node there but unless you feel like donating your hashing power you probably don't want to mine there since it is 100% fee

So, Windpath's node at minefast is a zero fee node? I pinged it and the times were decent. I see the 100% fee node is also in Ashburn VA same as minefast. And another question, 6 of my machines are Dragons that don't properly execute the stratum protocol. How would I set the difficulty or are they not compatible with P2P?

Thanks
 

Hey Cheeseater, sent you a Pm also...

I have a public node up 3.5 hours away from you in NC 

[CartmanSPC]

In regard to merge mining (and I apologize if I've missed it in this thread)...how do you pay found merge mined blocks back to your nodes miners? I see that some people manually convert merge mined coins to BTC and then do a "send many" back to p2pool but has anyone figure out something better?

Someone forked proxy pool to accept a second coins payment address in the password field but every public site using it has since shut down. I am concerned that it may not be a viable solution.  

You haven't missed it.  There's absolutely no support for it, and in the current state of the code, there's no way to even do it.  For example, let's say that I mine on node 1 for some time and find 3 shares.  I move onto node 2.  I find 5 more shares.  I move back to node 1 again, and I find a share that solves a merged coin block.  How does the node pay me?  What about paying other miners who had previously been on the node, but for whatever reason have since moved off?  Besides this, how do you know to which addresses to pay out the coins?

There are a lot of changes that would be required to ever be able to handle paying out merged coins to miners in any way.

Thanks jonnybravo0311.

I had the thought of supporting merge mined coins by having p2pool use additional sharechains (auxShareChain). It would handle payments and combine the hashing power just like the main sharechain. Not a trivial task and beyond my time and skill level.

[jonnybravo0311]

In regard to merge mining (and I apologize if I've missed it in this thread)...how do you pay found merge mined blocks back to your nodes miners? I see that some people manually convert merge mined coins to BTC and then do a "send many" back to p2pool but has anyone figure out something better?

Someone forked proxy pool to accept a second coins payment address in the password field but every public site using it has since shut down. I am concerned that it may not be a viable solution. 

You haven't missed it.  There's absolutely no support for it, and in the current state of the code, there's no way to even do it.  For example, let's say that I mine on node 1 for some time and find 3 shares.  I move onto node 2.  I find 5 more shares.  I move back to node 1 again, and I find a share that solves a merged coin block.  How does the node pay me?  What about paying other miners who had previously been on the node, but for whatever reason have since moved off?  Besides this, how do you know to which addresses to pay out the coins?

There are a lot of changes that would be required to ever be able to handle paying out merged coins to miners in any way.

Hey jonnybravo0311,

I sent you a PM about p2pool merged mining etc. not sure you can answer. Feel free to post my question in thread here if you think any answers will help you may have. 

thx
MMNC

Replied.  Basically the answer is the same as I posted here.  When you enable merged mining on your node, you are effectively solo mining the merged coins using the power of all the miners on your node.  There is no provision there to payout the miners on your node any of the merged coins.

In regard to merge mining (and I apologize if I've missed it in this thread)...how do you pay found merge mined blocks back to your nodes miners? I see that some people manually convert merge mined coins to BTC and then do a "send many" back to p2pool but has anyone figure out something better?

Someone forked proxy pool to accept a second coins payment address in the password field but every public site using it has since shut down. I am concerned that it may not be a viable solution. 

You haven't missed it.  There's absolutely no support for it, and in the current state of the code, there's no way to even do it.  For example, let's say that I mine on node 1 for some time and find 3 shares.  I move onto node 2.  I find 5 more shares.  I move back to node 1 again, and I find a share that solves a merged coin block.  How does the node pay me?  What about paying other miners who had previously been on the node, but for whatever reason have since moved off?  Besides this, how do you know to which addresses to pay out the coins?

There are a lot of changes that would be required to ever be able to handle paying out merged coins to miners in any way.

Thanks jonnybravo0311.

I had the thought of supporting merge mined coins by having p2pool use additional sharechains (auxShareChain). It would handle payments and combine the hashing power just like the main sharechain. Not a trivial task and beyond my time and skill level.

There are a ton of changes that would need to be made to try and implement merged-mining payouts.

[PatMan]

I noticed mmpool are switching over to a p2pool back end - it will be interesting to see how they manage the merge mining payout problem......

[MinermanNC]

In regard to merge mining (and I apologize if I've missed it in this thread)...how do you pay found merge mined blocks back to your nodes miners? I see that some people manually convert merge mined coins to BTC and then do a "send many" back to p2pool but has anyone figure out something better?

Someone forked proxy pool to accept a second coins payment address in the password field but every public site using it has since shut down. I am concerned that it may not be a viable solution. 

You haven't missed it.  There's absolutely no support for it, and in the current state of the code, there's no way to even do it.  For example, let's say that I mine on node 1 for some time and find 3 shares.  I move onto node 2.  I find 5 more shares.  I move back to node 1 again, and I find a share that solves a merged coin block.  How does the node pay me?  What about paying other miners who had previously been on the node, but for whatever reason have since moved off?  Besides this, how do you know to which addresses to pay out the coins?

There are a lot of changes that would be required to ever be able to handle paying out merged coins to miners in any way.

Hey jonnybravo0311,

I sent you a PM about p2pool merged mining etc. not sure you can answer. Feel free to post my question in thread here if you think any answers will help you may have. 

thx
MMNC

Replied.  Basically the answer is the same as I posted here.  When you enable merged mining on your node, you are effectively solo mining the merged coins using the power of all the miners on your node.  There is no provision there to payout the miners on your node any of the merged coins.

In regard to merge mining (and I apologize if I've missed it in this thread)...how do you pay found merge mined blocks back to your nodes miners? I see that some people manually convert merge mined coins to BTC and then do a "send many" back to p2pool but has anyone figure out something better?

Someone forked proxy pool to accept a second coins payment address in the password field but every public site using it has since shut down. I am concerned that it may not be a viable solution. 

You haven't missed it.  There's absolutely no support for it, and in the current state of the code, there's no way to even do it.  For example, let's say that I mine on node 1 for some time and find 3 shares.  I move onto node 2.  I find 5 more shares.  I move back to node 1 again, and I find a share that solves a merged coin block.  How does the node pay me?  What about paying other miners who had previously been on the node, but for whatever reason have since moved off?  Besides this, how do you know to which addresses to pay out the coins?

There are a lot of changes that would be required to ever be able to handle paying out merged coins to miners in any way.

Thanks jonnybravo0311.

I had the thought of supporting merge mined coins by having p2pool use additional sharechains (auxShareChain). It would handle payments and combine the hashing power just like the main sharechain. Not a trivial task and beyond my time and skill level.

There are a ton of changes that would need to be made to try and implement merged-mining payouts.

Hey I am seeing this issue more clearly now lol

Thanks!
I Pm'd ya

[MinermanNC]

I noticed mmpool are switching over to a p2pool back end - it will be interesting to see how they manage the merge mining payout problem......

Yes indeed it will 

[jonnybravo0311]

I noticed mmpool are switching over to a p2pool back end - it will be interesting to see how they manage the merge mining payout problem......

Unlike typical p2pool nodes, they've already got the infrastructure in place to handle the payouts of merged-mined coins (PPS).  I'm actually quite interested to see how they pull off using p2pool as the backend, instead of their current "traditional" DGM pool model.

[mdude77]

I noticed mmpool are switching over to a p2pool back end - it will be interesting to see how they manage the merge mining payout problem......

That explains why the pool is at 4.3 PH/s now.

One good thing about increasing BTC difficulty is p2pool share difficulty decreases to compensate.

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[PatMan]

I noticed mmpool are switching over to a p2pool back end - it will be interesting to see how they manage the merge mining payout problem......

That explains why the pool is at 4.3 PH/s now.

One good thing about increasing BTC difficulty is p2pool share difficulty decreases to compensate.

M

I'm not sure they're connected yet, still working on it last time I checked, but their hash rate has increased 4x all of a sudden.......