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Author Topic: [150+ PH] SlushPool (slushpool.com); World's First Mining Pool  (Read 4050646 times)
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July 06, 2013, 10:27:59 PM
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Plans of switching all GPUs to litecoin tonight while the ASICs continue to mine on slush. Boy is it going to fun tonight configuring all the cgminer to litecoin.

Update: Got first two 7970 to hash on litecoin, though one is doing 645 KH/s and other is 735 KH/s :S
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July 07, 2013, 12:57:01 AM
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I'm interested in knowing what your settings are. I'm only averaging about 470 with my 7970 on cgminer 3.2.1.
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July 07, 2013, 01:14:57 AM
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In fact, you are punished for disconnection. You're punished exactly the same way you'd been in PPS in the long run, provided that you disconnect asynchronously, i.e. randomly.
At Slush's, you can either lose, when you disconnect near the round end, or you can gain, when you disconnect at some other time. In the latter case, your payout for the round won't be decreased due to the disconnection, although you would deserve some decrease. And as the time constant c is hopefully still 300 seconds and an average round is several times longer, it's greater chance for you to gain a bit than to lose substantial part of the reward.
Anyway, in the long run that should even out, as is the popular phrase in this thread for some time already... :-)

(...)
but I have a hard time feeling I'm being punished for my downtime when ... well ... I'm down.

In the long run, you're "punished" just to the extent you're down.
When you won't come to your work, you won't be paid.
Or would you like something like paid holidays? Smiley
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July 07, 2013, 01:16:53 AM
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I'm interested in knowing what your settings are. I'm only averaging about 470 with my 7970 on cgminer 3.2.1.

I am running cgminer 3.1.1

this is my bat file configuration
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cgminer --scrypt -o http://yourltcminingpool.com:port -u Username -p 1234 -I 13 -g 2 --thread-concurrency 8192 --lookup-gap 2 -w 256
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my clocks for the first card (645 KH/s) = 950/1500 (I played around the clock speed to get 645 KH/s... it was lower when at 1044/ 1500)

My clocks for the second card (735 KH/s) = 1044/1500

About  0.63 to 0.69 ratio, but that works for me your is different probably.

Where I found those clocks speed.

https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php?topic=2507.0

Also I am running 2 Powercolor V3 7970

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July 07, 2013, 01:39:28 AM
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Thanks for the info. The Powercolor V3 is the difference. I'm just running the MSI R7970 Lightning GHz Edition with these settings.  --worksize 256 --intensity 13 --shaders 2048 --worksize 256 --thread-concurrency 8192 --gpu-engine 1100 --gpu-memclock 1800 --auto-fan -g 1.
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July 07, 2013, 01:55:50 AM
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Thanks for the info. The Powercolor V3 is the difference. I'm just running the MSI R7970 Lightning GHz Edition with these settings.  --worksize 256 --intensity 13 --shaders 2048 --worksize 256 --thread-concurrency 8192 --gpu-engine 1100 --gpu-memclock 1800 --auto-fan -g 1.

shaders is not needed
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July 07, 2013, 02:05:01 AM
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I agree, it shouldn't be needed but with it I'm consistently 4 Kh/s higher.
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July 07, 2013, 03:55:56 AM
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In the long run, you're "punished" just to the extent you're down.
When you won't come to your work, you won't be paid.
Or would you like something like paid holidays? Smiley


Ooooh, now that's an idea -- unfortunately, as a Bitcoin miner, I'm self-employed.  Oh, well ....
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July 07, 2013, 07:32:38 AM
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sounds to me your equipment is effing u over not Slush. resolve your problems and dont bad mouth Slush for your problems.

What's your problem? I got a problem with Slush's way of threating their members.
It's normal that sometimes the hash rate goes down whatever the cause is, but it is not normal that Slush will punish their members so bad!
It's already hard enough to mine some bitcoins nowadays.
I got my opinion and it got nothing to do with you! Are you their lawyer?

oh my bad. U r on this pool knowing how Slush wrote his algorithm using bad equipment and bad mouthing slush cuz u have bad equipment.
 Wah wah I have bad equipment, me bad mouth slush.
Know how u can resolve this? Fix your equipment. or why dont u threaten slush in private messages, dont forget to mention your equipment is bad so he can laugh too
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July 07, 2013, 08:28:30 AM
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the Estimated reward is too low now
I got 242GH/S,only 0.00055173 BTC Estimate reward?
this round running for 1hour+

Is this a bug or what?
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July 07, 2013, 09:12:33 AM
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Oh it happen again!

block 18990 !!!

18991   2013-07-07 08:39:26   0:02:54   808304   2816   0.08810218   245255   25.04610000    99 confirmations left
18990   2013-07-07 08:36:32   1:43:40   30265490   100736   0.00325797   245253   25.15775703    97 confirmations left
18989   2013-07-07 06:52:52   0:51:15   15036853   51200   0.08746553   245242   25.02380000    86 confirmations left
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July 07, 2013, 09:29:25 AM
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Oh it happen again!

block 18990 !!!

18991   2013-07-07 08:39:26   0:02:54   808304   2816   0.08810218   245255   25.04610000    99 confirmations left
18990   2013-07-07 08:36:32   1:43:40   30265490   100736   0.00325797   245253   25.15775703    97 confirmations left
18989   2013-07-07 06:52:52   0:51:15   15036853   51200   0.08746553   245242   25.02380000    86 confirmations left

Yes, the same here. Be patient, similar cases in the past have been fixed by Slush.
Start worrying (and raising attention) when the number of confirmations left gets below say 30.

Cheers,
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July 07, 2013, 09:30:43 AM
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Oh it happen again!

block 18990 !!!

18991   2013-07-07 08:39:26   0:02:54   808304   2816   0.08810218   245255   25.04610000    99 confirmations left
18990   2013-07-07 08:36:32   1:43:40   30265490   100736   0.00325797   245253   25.15775703    97 confirmations left
18989   2013-07-07 06:52:52   0:51:15   15036853   51200   0.08746553   245242   25.02380000    86 confirmations left

Yes, the same here. Be patient, similar cases in the past have been fixed by Slush.
Start worrying (and raising attention) when the number of confirmations left gets below say 30.

Cheers,
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magic happening right now Smiley
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July 07, 2013, 10:46:07 AM
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In fact, you are punished for disconnection. You're punished exactly the same way you'd been in PPS in the long run, provided that you disconnect asynchronously, i.e. randomly.
At Slush's, you can either lose, when you disconnect near the round end, or you can gain, when you disconnect at some other time. In the latter case, your payout for the round won't be decreased due to the disconnection, although you would deserve some decrease. And as the time constant c is hopefully still 300 seconds and an average round is several times longer, it's greater chance for you to gain a bit than to lose substantial part of the reward.
Anyway, in the long run that should even out, as is the popular phrase in this thread for some time already... :-)

(...)
but I have a hard time feeling I'm being punished for my downtime when ... well ... I'm down.

In the long run, you're "punished" just to the extent you're down.
When you won't come to your work, you won't be paid.
Or would you like something like paid holidays? Smiley

I swear this topic comes up every now and then because... well like you said, it sucks to be punished (e.g. kicked when you're down).

I want to elaborate a bit and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong.  The key to all this is really variance.  The way scoring is done on Slush's pool is subject to variance and it's much more evident on slower miners and less so (but still present) on faster/more powerful ones.  So what does variance have to do with being punished???... a lot.

Take for example if you're disconnected in the beginning of one of those crazy 7 hour rounds and 1 hour later you manage to fix your router, USB hub, whatever... At the end of that round you're actually not penalized that hard because what's 1 hour worth of shares compared to 6 hours of shares (and plus your score is isn't hit badly because you've been continuously mining for the last 6 hours of the round).

Now take the counter example.  You disconnect for 1 hour (same amount of time as before) but instead 4 rounds go by (a 5 min, 30 min, 15 min, and 10 min).  You just missed out on 4 different payouts.  Remember, on Slush you're paid based on the rate you contribute, so you usually get the same pay for large rounds as you do for short ones (again with some variance).

Contrast the two examples and what you get is HUGE variance in punishment.  You can get punished a little bit  or a lot.  While it's true that it averages out in the long run, the "long run" is a really really long time.  For someone who isn't down that often... say only once a month at most... you catch one bad break and you'll need at least 2, 3, or 4 lucky breaks to "even out".  I figure that most people don't catch as many lucky breaks as they do bad lucks as they haven't really been mining all that long (I speak from experience as both of the above scenarios have happened to me, plus I'm a low hash rate miner and I haven't mined that long).  You really can't compare this to something like PPS because they're two different scoring mechanism.  It's like comparing apples and oranges.  PPS just doesn't punish you the way Slush's scoring does.

So.... Why stay on Slush?  The reason is the same. While you get heavily punished for disconnections during short rounds, you can also get highly rewarded in short rounds (if you're always connected and mining).  As a slower/weaker hashing miner you get paid the same in short rounds as you do in long rounds (again with a little variance) and with lots of short rounds, you get paid more on Slush than if you're being paid PPS in the same period (partially due to the high pool fees associated with PPS pools). 

Really all that's left now if for someone to do some really hard number crunching.  Basically someone needs to look at the current difficulty, the percentage of Slush's pool hashing power as compared to the rest of the pools (and remaining hashing power not attributed to a pool) and generate a standard deviation curve for round duration.  Using the round duration curve against someone's hashing power, one can calculate their payout probability curve (per a given duration, say 24hours).  You can take that curve and mark that against what other pool's PPS rates are and then determine if the probability of earning a greater amount on Slush's pool vs other pool's PPS rate is statistically worth staying on Slush.

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July 07, 2013, 04:55:19 PM
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How about block 18995? Anyone have issues with payout? My statistics say "none" shares submitted so no reward as well, which is difficult to believe since I run 24/7 with my ASICS. Hopefully Slush is already on top of it.
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July 07, 2013, 05:03:25 PM
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How about block 18995? Anyone have issues with payout? My statistics say "none" shares submitted so no reward as well, which is difficult to believe since I run 24/7 with my ASICS. Hopefully Slush is already on top of it.

my problem is with #18994 :

18995 2013-07-07 16:13:53 0:03:48   1004576       310 0.00741798   245313  25.08610005 87 confirmations left 
18994 2013-07-07 16:10:05 2:30:19   43504966  11560 0.00444670    245312  25.24340000 86 confirmations left 
18993 2013-07-07 13:39:46 1:16:36   21972047    5907 0.00685585   245292  25.31574798 66 confirmations left 
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July 07, 2013, 05:08:17 PM
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18994 for me was about 6 times higher than normal...
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July 07, 2013, 05:12:19 PM
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I got double on 18986, which is now confirmed... heh

and I got about x8 on 18994... which i would guess would be fixed soon...

but then I also got none/none on 18995 which shouldn't be possible at 410mh/s (I earn 1 share every 12-14 seconds)

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July 07, 2013, 05:44:59 PM
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Update: Switch most of the computers over to litecoin mining while about 6.3 GH/s of ASIC still mine on Slush.


Still have one more computer left to switch over to litecoin.
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July 07, 2013, 05:54:13 PM
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Since Namecoin is no longer supported, does that mean we should move what we have off the pool and into a wallet somewhere? or, do we think there is a chance Slush will change his mind about this. I have like .049 namecoins. that is probably equal to bitcoin dust, certainly not worth trying to change into US$.


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