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July 06, 2013, 06:17:33 PM
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Anyone know if the merged NMC mining is still working?  My NMC balance hasn't changed in weeks.

I think snare rolls should be used as a currency.
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July 06, 2013, 06:21:10 PM
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Slush has been very reliable regarding keeping their servers online. (Their stratum server is fine compared to Guild's EU stratum.......)
In short, everything is fine with Slush except their policy to punish people hopping pools.
That's okay, but they also should consider that some people experience problems like the one you mentioned which we have no control over.
These people are getting a punished while we don't deserve that.
It happened to me several times before, when my isp is doing maintenance etc.
It's Summer now and more people will be having hardware failures due to the heat.
And the last thing we need is our pool operator kicking us while we're down by cutting our pay.
To me, this is injustice.


Ah, I understand your issue now.  From the pool's perspective, unintentional disconnects look the same as pool-hopping, but round-based pool like Slush's must have protection against pool-hoppers -- that's why Slush scores each share based on its time submitted -- round.total-score = sum(share.score + exp ((share.time-since-round-start)/c), where c is calculated based on total number of shares for the round and your shares-per-second across the round.  While it might seem that older shares are reduced in value as they age, the truth is that each share after your first one increases in value.

You are not "punished" for a disconnect.  Let's say you submitted 100 shares then dc'd for the rest of the round.  At the end of the round, those 100 shares have the same score based on when they were submitted as they would have had if you'd mined all the way through the round.  You are paid for the work you did.
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July 06, 2013, 06:27:08 PM
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Anyone know if the merged NMC mining is still working?  My NMC balance hasn't changed in weeks.

Seems like the same question gets asked 3-4 times a day.  NMC is no longer supported by the pool.  Slush should update the Web site and post something in News.
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July 06, 2013, 06:59:03 PM
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(...)
These people are getting a punished while we don't deserve that.
(...)
And the last thing we need is our pool operator kicking us while we're down by cutting our pay.
To me, this is injustice.

Ah, I understand your issue now.  From the pool's perspective, unintentional disconnects look the same as pool-hopping, but round-based pool like Slush's must have protection against pool-hoppers -- that's why Slush scores each share based on its time submitted -- round.total-score = sum(share.score + exp ((share.time-since-round-start)/c), where c is calculated based on total number of shares for the round and your shares-per-second across the round.  While it might seem that older shares are reduced in value as they age, the truth is that each share after your first one increases in value.

You are not "punished" for a disconnect.  Let's say you submitted 100 shares then dc'd for the rest of the round.  At the end of the round, those 100 shares have the same score based on when they were submitted as they would have had if you'd mined all the way through the round.  You are paid for the work you did.

This is not quite true.
  • To be paid for the work you did, you have to go for a PPS pool.
  • There's effectively no difference whether your new shares pay more than the old ones or the old ones pay less than the new ones.
  • Your score (value of shares) is recalculated from time to time in long rounds. The ratio of the old shares to the new ones is kept, but their absolute value is not.
These are facts to be corrected relating the quoted post.

In fact, you are punished for disconnection. You're punished exactly the same way you'd been in PPS in the long run, provided that you disconnect asynchronously, i.e. randomly.
At Slush's, you can either lose, when you disconnect near the round end, or you can gain, when you disconnect at some other time. In the latter case, your payout for the round won't be decreased due to the disconnection, although you would deserve some decrease. And as the time constant c is hopefully still 300 seconds and an average round is several times longer, it's greater chance for you to gain a bit than to lose substantial part of the reward.
Anyway, in the long run that should even out, as is the popular phrase in this thread for some time already... :-)
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July 06, 2013, 07:17:03 PM
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I sadly left the pool and started litecoin mining, I get 30% more that way.

It was nice being there with you guys !

Have you seen total network ? All time record right now : Network total   244.415 Thash/s

Get ready for a difficulty increase of at least 20% in 800 blocks, thanks to asics :/

take care people !
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July 06, 2013, 08:10:06 PM
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 You are paid for the work you did.

This is not quite true.
  • To be paid for the work you did, you have to go for a PPS pool.
  • There's effectively no difference whether your new shares pay more than the old ones or the old ones pay less than the new ones.
  • Your score (value of shares) is recalculated from time to time in long rounds. The ratio of the old shares to the new ones is kept, but their absolute value is not.
These are facts to be corrected relating the quoted post.

In fact, you are punished for disconnection. You're punished exactly the same way you'd been in PPS in the long run, provided that you disconnect asynchronously, i.e. randomly.
At Slush's, you can either lose, when you disconnect near the round end, or you can gain, when you disconnect at some other time. In the latter case, your payout for the round won't be decreased due to the disconnection, although you would deserve some decrease. And as the time constant c is hopefully still 300 seconds and an average round is several times longer, it's greater chance for you to gain a bit than to lose substantial part of the reward.
Anyway, in the long run that should even out, as is the popular phrase in this thread for some time already... :-)

I meant to say you are paid for the work you did in relation to the work everyone else did at the same time, but I see your point about periodic renormalization affecting the impact of a dc.  You're also right about no difference between new paying more and old paying less -- the cup is still half full Smiley -- but I have a hard time feeling I'm being punished for my downtime when ... well ... I'm down.

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July 06, 2013, 08:21:00 PM
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I sadly left the pool and started litecoin mining, I get 30% more that way.

It was nice being there with you guys !

Have you seen total network ? All time record right now : Network total   244.415 Thash/s

Get ready for a difficulty increase of at least 20% in 800 blocks, thanks to asics :/

take care people !

I moved my gpus over already -- wish my FPGAs had enough active memory to run scrypt while I'm waiting for my ASICs.

Good luck, maybe I'll see you in WeMineLTC pool (web: https://www.wemineltc.com/index, forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=169249.0).
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July 06, 2013, 08:52:28 PM
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Anyone know if the merged NMC mining is still working?  My NMC balance hasn't changed in weeks.

Seems like the same question gets asked 3-4 times a day.  NMC is no longer supported by the pool.  Slush should update the Web site and post something in News.

Thanks for your reply.

I think snare rolls should be used as a currency.
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July 06, 2013, 10:27:59 PM
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Plans of switching all GPUs to litecoin tonight while the ASICs continue to mine on slush. Boy is it going to fun tonight configuring all the cgminer to litecoin.

Update: Got first two 7970 to hash on litecoin, though one is doing 645 KH/s and other is 735 KH/s :S
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July 07, 2013, 12:57:01 AM
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I'm interested in knowing what your settings are. I'm only averaging about 470 with my 7970 on cgminer 3.2.1.
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July 07, 2013, 01:14:57 AM
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In fact, you are punished for disconnection. You're punished exactly the same way you'd been in PPS in the long run, provided that you disconnect asynchronously, i.e. randomly.
At Slush's, you can either lose, when you disconnect near the round end, or you can gain, when you disconnect at some other time. In the latter case, your payout for the round won't be decreased due to the disconnection, although you would deserve some decrease. And as the time constant c is hopefully still 300 seconds and an average round is several times longer, it's greater chance for you to gain a bit than to lose substantial part of the reward.
Anyway, in the long run that should even out, as is the popular phrase in this thread for some time already... :-)

(...)
but I have a hard time feeling I'm being punished for my downtime when ... well ... I'm down.

In the long run, you're "punished" just to the extent you're down.
When you won't come to your work, you won't be paid.
Or would you like something like paid holidays? Smiley
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July 07, 2013, 01:16:53 AM
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I'm interested in knowing what your settings are. I'm only averaging about 470 with my 7970 on cgminer 3.2.1.

I am running cgminer 3.1.1

this is my bat file configuration
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cgminer --scrypt -o http://yourltcminingpool.com:port -u Username -p 1234 -I 13 -g 2 --thread-concurrency 8192 --lookup-gap 2 -w 256
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my clocks for the first card (645 KH/s) = 950/1500 (I played around the clock speed to get 645 KH/s... it was lower when at 1044/ 1500)

My clocks for the second card (735 KH/s) = 1044/1500

About  0.63 to 0.69 ratio, but that works for me your is different probably.

Where I found those clocks speed.

https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php?topic=2507.0

Also I am running 2 Powercolor V3 7970

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July 07, 2013, 01:39:28 AM
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Thanks for the info. The Powercolor V3 is the difference. I'm just running the MSI R7970 Lightning GHz Edition with these settings.  --worksize 256 --intensity 13 --shaders 2048 --worksize 256 --thread-concurrency 8192 --gpu-engine 1100 --gpu-memclock 1800 --auto-fan -g 1.
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July 07, 2013, 01:55:50 AM
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Thanks for the info. The Powercolor V3 is the difference. I'm just running the MSI R7970 Lightning GHz Edition with these settings.  --worksize 256 --intensity 13 --shaders 2048 --worksize 256 --thread-concurrency 8192 --gpu-engine 1100 --gpu-memclock 1800 --auto-fan -g 1.

shaders is not needed
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July 07, 2013, 02:05:01 AM
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I agree, it shouldn't be needed but with it I'm consistently 4 Kh/s higher.
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July 07, 2013, 03:55:56 AM
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In the long run, you're "punished" just to the extent you're down.
When you won't come to your work, you won't be paid.
Or would you like something like paid holidays? Smiley


Ooooh, now that's an idea -- unfortunately, as a Bitcoin miner, I'm self-employed.  Oh, well ....
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July 07, 2013, 07:32:38 AM
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sounds to me your equipment is effing u over not Slush. resolve your problems and dont bad mouth Slush for your problems.

What's your problem? I got a problem with Slush's way of threating their members.
It's normal that sometimes the hash rate goes down whatever the cause is, but it is not normal that Slush will punish their members so bad!
It's already hard enough to mine some bitcoins nowadays.
I got my opinion and it got nothing to do with you! Are you their lawyer?

oh my bad. U r on this pool knowing how Slush wrote his algorithm using bad equipment and bad mouthing slush cuz u have bad equipment.
 Wah wah I have bad equipment, me bad mouth slush.
Know how u can resolve this? Fix your equipment. or why dont u threaten slush in private messages, dont forget to mention your equipment is bad so he can laugh too
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July 07, 2013, 08:28:30 AM
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the Estimated reward is too low now
I got 242GH/S,only 0.00055173 BTC Estimate reward?
this round running for 1hour+

Is this a bug or what?
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July 07, 2013, 09:12:33 AM
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Oh it happen again!

block 18990 !!!

18991   2013-07-07 08:39:26   0:02:54   808304   2816   0.08810218   245255   25.04610000    99 confirmations left
18990   2013-07-07 08:36:32   1:43:40   30265490   100736   0.00325797   245253   25.15775703    97 confirmations left
18989   2013-07-07 06:52:52   0:51:15   15036853   51200   0.08746553   245242   25.02380000    86 confirmations left
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July 07, 2013, 09:29:25 AM
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Oh it happen again!

block 18990 !!!

18991   2013-07-07 08:39:26   0:02:54   808304   2816   0.08810218   245255   25.04610000    99 confirmations left
18990   2013-07-07 08:36:32   1:43:40   30265490   100736   0.00325797   245253   25.15775703    97 confirmations left
18989   2013-07-07 06:52:52   0:51:15   15036853   51200   0.08746553   245242   25.02380000    86 confirmations left

Yes, the same here. Be patient, similar cases in the past have been fixed by Slush.
Start worrying (and raising attention) when the number of confirmations left gets below say 30.

Cheers,
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