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July 14, 2013, 10:09:25 AM
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19090   2013-07-14 00:12:53   4:20:53   65593477   735   0.00000014   

No worries, magic happening right now - it looks like it will be fixed in a minute.

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rah 19090 fixed for me now
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July 14, 2013, 10:13:28 AM
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19090 fixed for me.
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July 14, 2013, 10:17:11 AM
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19090 is fixed for me SLUSH YOU DA MANG

Do you even mine?
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July 14, 2013, 10:26:31 AM
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19090   2013-07-14 00:12:53   4:20:53   65591273   735   0.00027915   
Fixed thank you slush

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July 14, 2013, 10:31:13 AM
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How is it possible to mine a bit more and be paid less?

                                                                          
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19080   2013-07-13 04:55:43   3:38:04   55146734   216320   0.06683271   246305   25.18400164    confirmado
19079   2013-07-13 01:17:39   3:28:34   53289059   206720   0.10828800   246282   25.48430000    confirmado

Please explain slush! I don't see rounds under 0.08btc in my stats.

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July 14, 2013, 11:10:16 AM
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I don't see rounds under 0.08btc in my stats.
 

Difficulty rose and others are hooking up asic which means anyone standing still appears to be going backwards, hence you recorded a new low payout.   BTC is a hard road seems to me, I only hope its worth it and the world uses it more; so price rises

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Difficulty rose and others are hooking up asic which means anyone standing still appears to be going backwards, hence you recorded a new low payout.   BTC is a hard road seems to me, I only hope its worth it and the world uses it more; so price rises

And what are you talking about? I only ask about 2 similar pool rounds that happen to be one next to other.

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July 14, 2013, 11:20:06 AM
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all that stuff has to do with the scoring method that Slush's pool uses. note that in the explanation you aren't rewarded based only on the number of shares contributed, but based on your score.

click on the "what is pooled mining?" on slush's site, and then click on "score-based reward system"

that leads you here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg50002#msg50002

the end result is that two seemingly identical rounds can have variance in their rewards, but over a 1-day and 7-day average all the variances average out.

the score based reward system is designed to be a deterrent to pool-hoppers. (i'm not saying you were pool hopping, i'm saying the variance you see is a result of this anti-pool-hopping system)

I think that this link has a pretty in-depth look at this whole process: http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2012/09/43-slushs-score-method-and-miner.html

it's from 2012 tho so i dunno if all that information is still exactly 100% correct.

STT is also correct: if the hashrate of Slush's network rose between the two rounds, but your hashrate remains constant, then you will notice an increased variance between those two rounds. you end up with a smaller piece of the pie, because relative to the entire pool, you contributed slightly less. this goes back to the SCORING system: you are rewarded for your score relative to the rest of the pool, you arn't rewarded per share. obviously more shares = more score, so in a very basic sense you are rewarded per share, but as the links above describe, it's more complicated than that.

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July 14, 2013, 11:33:36 AM
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I know all about it, and the scoring system too. I was poolhopping 2 years ago but not the case here. The scoring method is designed to reward miners that stay until the block is found and pay only the last half of the shares used to find the block, basically inverse prop. payout. When organof started writing I was experiencing with it imo.

As you probably can see I submitted more shares in the second round even though it lasted only 10 minutes more. My miner didn't disconnect from pool or anything, shares prove that. Btw, I hate the scoring system like everyone else because it penalizes miners for every possible failure, but what we're going to do if poolohoppers are far more dangerous yeah. I will hate Meni Rosenfeld for this one my whole life.

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July 14, 2013, 11:42:18 AM
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well, you can claim to know about the scoring system, and then complain about it, but that is the reason you got less of a reward for one round vs another. you got paid for the % of your score vs the rest of the pool. you keep pointing back to your shares, but shares are not the full story. they don't reveal if you were scoring higher than average or scoring lower than average, and they also don't reveal how the rest of the pool was scoring.

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July 14, 2013, 11:42:30 AM
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I will rephrase the question: How is it possible to be be paid less in similar rounds and without large miners joining the pool?

                                                                          
                                    block time             shares      payout        
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19080   2013-07-13 04:55:43   3:38:04   55146734   216320   0.06683271   246305   25.18400164    confirmado
19079   2013-07-13 01:17:39   3:28:34   53289059   206720   0.10828800   246282   25.48430000    confirmado

Please explain slush! I don't see rounds under 0.08btc in my stats.

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July 14, 2013, 11:44:45 AM
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well, you can claim to know about the scoring system, and then complain about it, but that is the reason you got less of a reward for one round vs another. you got paid for the % of your score vs the rest of the pool. you keep pointing back to your shares, but shares are not the full story. they don't reveal if you were scoring higher than average or scoring lower than average, and they also don't reveal how the rest of the pool was scoring.

My score was similar in both rounds.

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July 14, 2013, 12:00:51 PM
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I will rephrase the question: How is it possible to be be paid less in similar rounds and without large miners joining the pool?

                                                                          
                                    block time             shares      payout        
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19080   2013-07-13 04:55:43   3:38:04   55146734   216320   0.06683271   246305   25.18400164    confirmado
19079   2013-07-13 01:17:39   3:28:34   53289059   206720   0.10828800   246282   25.48430000    confirmado

Please explain slush! I don't see rounds under 0.08btc in my stats.

The reward you get for one single share depend on when the share was submitted. The score you get for the share is exp(t/C) where t is the number of seconds since the round was started or since the last reset, and C is a constant (200 based on my measurement).
The time a given miner (w/ constant hashrate) spends working a single share varies. Even is the difficulty is the same.
If you were lucky to submit 2 shares in the last few seconds of the round, you will get much more for the round.
If you were unlucky and were working on a share and the round completed before you submitted it, you will get a smaller reward.

Hope this helps.
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July 14, 2013, 12:02:43 PM
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I will rephrase the question: How is it possible to be be paid less in similar rounds and without large miners joining the pool?

                                                                          
                                    block time             shares      payout        
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19080   2013-07-13 04:55:43   3:38:04   55146734   216320   0.06683271   246305   25.18400164    confirmado
19079   2013-07-13 01:17:39   3:28:34   53289059   206720   0.10828800   246282   25.48430000    confirmado

Please explain slush! I don't see rounds under 0.08btc in my stats.

The reward you get for one single share depend on when the share was submitted. The score you get for the share is exp(t/C) where t is the number of seconds since the round was started or since the last reset, and C is a constant (200 based on my measurement).
The time a given miner (w/ constant hashrate) spends working a single share varies. Even is the difficulty is the same.
If you were lucky to submit 2 shares in the last few seconds of the round, you will get much more for the round.
If you were unlucky and were working on a share and the round completed before you submitted it, you will get a smaller reward.

Hope this helps.
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Kind of, thanks. So it has to do with greater difficulty shares, will take note to that.

I still think the current payout system robs miners blind but this way the operator has the incentive to keep the pool in optimum conditions lol

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July 14, 2013, 12:12:20 PM
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Also block 19093 seems a bit strange...

19093   2013-07-14 11:01:18   5:27:23   82887784   1658   0.00002188   246513   25.11315000    95 confirmations left

or is it only me?
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July 14, 2013, 12:17:19 PM
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Alright, these blocks are getting ridiculous... I'm jumping ship. Everyone prepare for pool luck to skyrocket upon my departure!! Good luck guys.

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July 14, 2013, 12:24:41 PM
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paraipan, just an idea to use math to put things in perspective: we can take the two rounds in question 19079 and 19080, and group them separately with the 10 rounds before and after each. then we will use a formula to see the variance between the two groups.

take rounds 19069 - 19079 and add them together. we'll call this 'x' then take rounds 19080 - 19090 and add them together. we'll call this 'y'

then plug the numbers into this formula

((x-y)/(x+y))*100=

if done correctly, that number is your % of variance between rounds 19069-79 and rounds 19080-90.

it should be between 5 and -5

if it's inside of that range then the scoring system is working properly

if it's outside that range then o crap, something's gone wrong. (probably a mistyped number, double check your work!)

I just did this myself, and my variance was 3%, meaning i scored 3% more in rounds 19069-79 vs rounds 19080-90

and i'm a slowwww miner, which means i could actually have greater variance (from 20 to -20) but my variance was only 3, so that's pretty darn good.

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July 14, 2013, 12:29:05 PM
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paraipan, just an idea to use math to put things in perspective: we can take the two rounds in question 19079 and 19080, and group them separately with the 10 rounds before and after each. then we will use a formula to see the variance between the two groups.

take rounds 19069 - 19079 and add them together. we'll call this 'x' then take rounds 19080 - 19090 and add them together. we'll call this 'y'

then plug the numbers into this formula

((x-y)/(x+y))*100=

if done correctly, that number is your % of variance between rounds 19069-79 and rounds 19080-90.

it should be between 5 and -5

if it's inside of that range then the scoring system is working properly

if it's outside that range then o crap, something's gone wrong. (probably a mistyped number, double check your work!)

I just did this myself, and my variance was 3%, meaning i scored 3% more in rounds 19069-79 vs rounds 19080-90

and i'm a slowwww miner, which means i could actually have greater variance (from 20 to -20) but my variance was only 3, so that's pretty darn good.

Nice, thanks dude but still doesn't explain too much. The shouldn't be so much variance between two similar rounds, that's why we mine in a pool remember?

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July 14, 2013, 12:31:12 PM
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Also block 19093 seems a bit strange...

19093   2013-07-14 11:01:18   5:27:23   82887784   1658   0.00002188   246513   25.11315000    95 confirmations left

or is it only me?
for me 19093 is OK

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July 14, 2013, 12:34:18 PM
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Also block 19093 seems a bit strange...

19093   2013-07-14 11:01:18   5:27:23   82887784   1658   0.00002188   246513   25.11315000    95 confirmations left

or is it only me?

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