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July 07, 2013, 08:14:49 PM
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July 07, 2013, 08:24:24 PM
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but I have a hard time feeling I'm being punished for my downtime when ... well ... I'm down.

In the long run, you're "punished" just to the extent you're down.
When you won't come to your work, you won't be paid.
Or would you like something like paid holidays? Smiley

Another parable comes to my mind.
  • You won't come to work, and boss comes and realizes. You won't be paid. (Short round, end of round)
  • You leave work for 2 hours, return at luchtime, boss comes in a while, and colleagues remember and tell him. You are paid less. (Some time before the end of round.)
  • You are late to work in the morning, boss comes in the afternoon, no one remembers, you're fully paid. (Beginning of a long round.)
Well, just for fun... :-)

Ooooh, now that's an idea -- unfortunately, as a Bitcoin miner, I'm self-employed.  Oh, well ....

Are you? Are you mining solo? :-)
OK, let's modify the above example, when you don't feel yourself "employed" by Slush. ;-) If you're self-employed, you get money for some goods or services.
Then, when you don't deliver your goods or services, you're not paid. OK now? ;-)


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July 07, 2013, 09:36:36 PM
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Question: Suggested difficulty option box.

What is the point in this box? It optional but then if its optional dose it really matter? I'm running just 4 Block Erupters on Slush's Pool should I change my setting and if so to what?   


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July 07, 2013, 09:47:32 PM
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Question: Suggested difficulty option box.
What is the point in this box? It optional but then if its optional dose it really matter? I'm running just 4 Block Erupters on Slush's Pool should I change my setting and if so to what?   

 For those with large amount of hash power, setting a higher difficulty will reduce the network bandwidth consumed by submitted shares.  You don't have enough hashpower for it to matter.   I wouldn't worry about it. 

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July 07, 2013, 11:02:18 PM
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Ooooh, now that's an idea -- unfortunately, as a Bitcoin miner, I'm self-employed.  Oh, well ....

Are you? Are you mining solo? :-)
OK, let's modify the above example, when you don't feel yourself "employed" by Slush. ;-) If you're self-employed, you get money for some goods or services.
Then, when you don't deliver your goods or services, you're not paid. OK now? ;-)


Yup, I get "official" money (or other things of value) from the BTC I produce by mining.

In a pool we're all self-employed, including the pool operator.  For example, Slush is self-employed -- he sells network and accounting services to pool members.  We can either pay fees to Slush (or some other pool operator) for access to his node on the Bitcoin network and his accounting services to tally our shares of the blocks we collectively mine via his node, or we can save those fees by going solo, setting up our own nodes and doing our own accounting -- then we can generate even more income by selling access to our nodes to others, and helping them with their accounting (for a fee, of course!).

My current thinking is that 2% for Slush's services is reasonable and well worth the time and energy it would take to operate solo.  Might think differently if I had a few Terahash to dig with.

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July 07, 2013, 11:03:52 PM
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Question: Suggested difficulty option box.
What is the point in this box? It optional but then if its optional dose it really matter? I'm running just 4 Block Erupters on Slush's Pool should I change my setting and if so to what?   

 For those with large amount of hash power, setting a higher difficulty will reduce the network bandwidth consumed by submitted shares.  You don't have enough hashpower for it to matter.   I wouldn't worry about it. 

So just curious at what point would you need to set a higher difficulty? How many Mhash/s are we talkin'? I know what the website suggests according to Mhash/s but is this realistic? What have others experienced?
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July 07, 2013, 11:09:38 PM
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I've never seen a definitive answer - stick your finger in the air - what works best for you kinda responses...

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July 07, 2013, 11:16:36 PM
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Question: Suggested difficulty option box.
What is the point in this box? It optional but then if its optional dose it really matter? I'm running just 4 Block Erupters on Slush's Pool should I change my setting and if so to what?   

 For those with large amount of hash power, setting a higher difficulty will reduce the network bandwidth consumed by submitted shares.  You don't have enough hashpower for it to matter.   I wouldn't worry about it. 

So just curious at what point would you need to set a higher difficulty? How many Mhash/s are we talkin'? I know what the website suggests according to Mhash/s but is this realistic? What have others experienced?

all increasing the difficulty does is cut down on the network traffic. mining uses so little bandwidth that i wouldn't worry about it. besides, i think the pool raises your difficulty automatically if you set it too low... or maybe that was a different pool. it all blurrs sometimes.
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July 07, 2013, 11:37:45 PM
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Question: Suggested difficulty option box.
What is the point in this box? It optional but then if its optional dose it really matter? I'm running just 4 Block Erupters on Slush's Pool should I change my setting and if so to what?   

 For those with large amount of hash power, setting a higher difficulty will reduce the network bandwidth consumed by submitted shares.  You don't have enough hashpower for it to matter.   I wouldn't worry about it. 

So just curious at what point would you need to set a higher difficulty? How many Mhash/s are we talkin'? I know what the website suggests according to Mhash/s but is this realistic? What have others experienced?

When you set a value there, it tells the servers "Don't send me anything less than this."  The maximum is whatever diff the server decides to send.  For example, one of my miners is set for diff 2 -- most shares I get are between 2-1000, but I often get shares as high as 10M to work.
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July 08, 2013, 01:36:12 AM
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How about block 18995? Anyone have issues with payout? My statistics say "none" shares submitted so no reward as well, which is difficult to believe since I run 24/7 with my ASICS. Hopefully Slush is already on top of it.

my problem is with #18994 :

18995 2013-07-07 16:13:53 0:03:48   1004576       310 0.00741798   245313  25.08610005 87 confirmations left 
18994 2013-07-07 16:10:05 2:30:19   43504966  11560 0.00444670    245312  25.24340000 86 confirmations left 
18993 2013-07-07 13:39:46 1:16:36   21972047    5907 0.00685585   245292  25.31574798 66 confirmations left 

I was hoping it was going to be corrected before it got confirmed but I guess by the low amount of others having problems with 18994 it must have been on my end?
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July 08, 2013, 01:49:58 AM
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How about block 18995? Anyone have issues with payout? My statistics say "none" shares submitted so no reward as well, which is difficult to believe since I run 24/7 with my ASICS. Hopefully Slush is already on top of it.

my problem is with #18994 :

18995 2013-07-07 16:13:53 0:03:48   1004576       310 0.00741798   245313  25.08610005 87 confirmations left  
18994 2013-07-07 16:10:05 2:30:19   43504966  11560 0.00444670   245312  25.24340000 86 confirmations left  
18993 2013-07-07 13:39:46 1:16:36   21972047    5907 0.00685585   245292  25.31574798 66 confirmations left  

I was hoping it was going to be corrected before it got confirmed but I guess by the low amount of others having problems with 18994 it must have been on my end?

I was also about halved, 18995 is ever so slightly above "normal" for my 3 Gh
18995    2013-07-07 16:13:53    0:03:48    1004576    171    0.00433259    245313    25.08610005    20 confirmations left
18994    2013-07-07 16:10:05    2:30:19    43504966    6332    0.00237623    245312    25.24340000    19 confirmations left
18993    2013-07-07 13:39:46    1:16:36    21972047    3218    0.00372723    245292    25.31574798    confirmed

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July 08, 2013, 07:41:29 AM
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Question: Suggested difficulty option box.
What is the point in this box? It optional but then if its optional dose it really matter? I'm running just 4 Block Erupters on Slush's Pool should I change my setting and if so to what?  

 For those with large amount of hash power, setting a higher difficulty will reduce the network bandwidth consumed by submitted shares.  You don't have enough hashpower for it to matter.   I wouldn't worry about it.  

So just curious at what point would you need to set a higher difficulty? How many Mhash/s are we talkin'? I know what the website suggests according to Mhash/s but is this realistic? What have others experienced?

When you set a value there, it tells the servers "Don't send me anything less than this."  The maximum is whatever diff the server decides to send.  For example, one of my miners is set for diff 2 -- most shares I get are between 2-1000, but I often get shares as high as 10M to work.

Not really.
The difficulty value you set in your client tells your client to send only shares of that difficulty (and higher) to the server. And it tells the server that you will be doing so.
The server will than count each your difficulty 2 (or higher) share as two difficulty 1 shares (when you set the difficulty to 2, of course). Your network traffic is then lower, and lower is also your demand on the server capacity.

The server makes no decision about what difficulty it sends you. It in fact can't do anything like that. You don't get shares as high as 10M to work. You don't get any shares to work on from the server.

The server gives you some data to work on, and it's a matter of your fortune to find a share. When your client is set to send shares of diff 1, it sends all shares it finds to the server. To find one such basic share you have to compute 232 hashes at average.

When you set the difficulty to a higher number, only shares of that difficulty (and higher, of course) are sent to the server. This is useful when your share rate would be too (unnecesarily) high with shares of diff 1.
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July 08, 2013, 11:21:35 AM
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July 08, 2013, 01:25:47 PM
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Question: Suggested difficulty option box.
What is the point in this box? It optional but then if its optional dose it really matter? I'm running just 4 Block Erupters on Slush's Pool should I change my setting and if so to what?  

 For those with large amount of hash power, setting a higher difficulty will reduce the network bandwidth consumed by submitted shares.  You don't have enough hashpower for it to matter.   I wouldn't worry about it.  

So just curious at what point would you need to set a higher difficulty? How many Mhash/s are we talkin'? I know what the website suggests according to Mhash/s but is this realistic? What have others experienced?

When you set a value there, it tells the servers "Don't send me anything less than this."  The maximum is whatever diff the server decides to send.  For example, one of my miners is set for diff 2 -- most shares I get are between 2-1000, but I often get shares as high as 10M to work.

Not really.
The difficulty value you set in your client tells your client to send only shares of that difficulty (and higher) to the server. And it tells the server that you will be doing so.
The server will than count each your difficulty 2 (or higher) share as two difficulty 1 shares (when you set the difficulty to 2, of course). Your network traffic is then lower, and lower is also your demand on the server capacity.

The server makes no decision about what difficulty it sends you. It in fact can't do anything like that. You don't get shares as high as 10M to work. You don't get any shares to work on from the server.

The server gives you some data to work on, and it's a matter of your fortune to find a share. When your client is set to send shares of diff 1, it sends all shares it finds to the server. To find one such basic share you have to compute 232 hashes at average.

When you set the difficulty to a higher number, only shares of that difficulty (and higher, of course) are sent to the server. This is useful when your share rate would be too (unnecesarily) high with shares of diff 1.

Thanks for the clarification  Smiley
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July 08, 2013, 03:24:32 PM
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How about block 18995? Anyone have issues with payout? My statistics say "none" shares submitted so no reward as well, which is difficult to believe since I run 24/7 with my ASICS. Hopefully Slush is already on top of it.

my problem is with #18994 :

18995 2013-07-07 16:13:53 0:03:48   1004576       310 0.00741798   245313  25.08610005 87 confirmations left 
18994 2013-07-07 16:10:05 2:30:19   43504966  11560 0.00444670    245312  25.24340000 86 confirmations left 
18993 2013-07-07 13:39:46 1:16:36   21972047    5907 0.00685585   245292  25.31574798 66 confirmations left 

I was hoping it was going to be corrected before it got confirmed but I guess by the low amount of others having problems with 18994 it must have been on my end?

Mine was wrong too, oh well.
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July 09, 2013, 12:04:26 AM
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Today is a day why most are here on Slush's Pool... 30 blocks found in the last 24 hours.. Shocked ( I guess its only 29 as we did have the 1 invalid today)
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July 09, 2013, 01:02:30 AM
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Question: Suggested difficulty option box.
What is the point in this box? It optional but then if its optional dose it really matter? I'm running just 4 Block Erupters on Slush's Pool should I change my setting and if so to what?  

 For those with large amount of hash power, setting a higher difficulty will reduce the network bandwidth consumed by submitted shares.  You don't have enough hashpower for it to matter.   I wouldn't worry about it.  

So just curious at what point would you need to set a higher difficulty? How many Mhash/s are we talkin'? I know what the website suggests according to Mhash/s but is this realistic? What have others experienced?

When you set a value there, it tells the servers "Don't send me anything less than this."  The maximum is whatever diff the server decides to send.  For example, one of my miners is set for diff 2 -- most shares I get are between 2-1000, but I often get shares as high as 10M to work.

Not really.
The difficulty value you set in your client tells your client to send only shares of that difficulty (and higher) to the server. And it tells the server that you will be doing so.
The server will than count each your difficulty 2 (or higher) share as two difficulty 1 shares (when you set the difficulty to 2, of course). Your network traffic is then lower, and lower is also your demand on the server capacity.

The server makes no decision about what difficulty it sends you. It in fact can't do anything like that. You don't get shares as high as 10M to work. You don't get any shares to work on from the server.

The server gives you some data to work on, and it's a matter of your fortune to find a share. When your client is set to send shares of diff 1, it sends all shares it finds to the server. To find one such basic share you have to compute 232 hashes at average.

When you set the difficulty to a higher number, only shares of that difficulty (and higher, of course) are sent to the server. This is useful when your share rate would be too (unnecesarily) high with shares of diff 1.

There are about 30 seconds between a miner connects and starts hashing and the suggested difficulty is set. If a share is submitted within these 30 seconds at what difficulty will it be counted: one, suggested difficulty, actual difficulty, something else?
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July 09, 2013, 04:40:01 AM
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Question: Suggested difficulty option box.
What is the point in this box? It optional but then if its optional dose it really matter? I'm running just 4 Block Erupters on Slush's Pool should I change my setting and if so to what?  

 For those with large amount of hash power, setting a higher difficulty will reduce the network bandwidth consumed by submitted shares.  You don't have enough hashpower for it to matter.   I wouldn't worry about it.  

So just curious at what point would you need to set a higher difficulty? How many Mhash/s are we talkin'? I know what the website suggests according to Mhash/s but is this realistic? What have others experienced?

When you set a value there, it tells the servers "Don't send me anything less than this."  The maximum is whatever diff the server decides to send.  For example, one of my miners is set for diff 2 -- most shares I get are between 2-1000, but I often get shares as high as 10M to work.

Not really.
The difficulty value you set in your client tells your client to send only shares of that difficulty (and higher) to the server. And it tells the server that you will be doing so.
The server will than count each your difficulty 2 (or higher) share as two difficulty 1 shares (when you set the difficulty to 2, of course). Your network traffic is then lower, and lower is also your demand on the server capacity.

The server makes no decision about what difficulty it sends you. It in fact can't do anything like that. You don't get shares as high as 10M to work. You don't get any shares to work on from the server.

The server gives you some data to work on, and it's a matter of your fortune to find a share. When your client is set to send shares of diff 1, it sends all shares it finds to the server. To find one such basic share you have to compute 232 hashes at average.

When you set the difficulty to a higher number, only shares of that difficulty (and higher, of course) are sent to the server. This is useful when your share rate would be too (unnecesarily) high with shares of diff 1.

There are about 30 seconds between a miner connects and starts hashing and the suggested difficulty is set. If a share is submitted within these 30 seconds at what difficulty will it be counted: one, suggested difficulty, actual difficulty, something else?

Well, the situation with the share difficulty is a bit more complicated than I've written so far. There are some pools that set the target (minimum difficulty) for the shares obtained from the client. I've not mentioned them since this thread is about Slush's pool.
You can find those pools in the list Comparison of mining pools at the bitcoin wiki marked as Dynamic in the Variance column.
Once again, this does not apply to Slush's pool.

So, those pools can set different target (minimum difficulty) for the shares accepted from the clients. As your information about the 30 seconds' interval must have come from some of those pools, one could quite well recommend you to look for the answer to your question at the same place.

I could imagine that the client sends shares of diff 1 for some initial time interval in the round (30 seconds mentioned by you), and the server measures (roughly) client's hashrate this way. It (the server) then makes a decision based on this finding, what share difficulty target would be optimal for this particular client. (But this is only my speculation.) This method would have one more advantage of using finer resolution for extra short rounds, where the higher target would cause too a high variance.
[edit]If this "calibration" occurs only after client connection and not in each round, this advantage does not apply, thouhg.[/edit]

Some pools also set the target for shares to a fixed value higher than one. Those pools, however, need no time interval to do so.
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July 09, 2013, 10:01:08 AM
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The pool software that slush wrote does a variable diff check every 30 seconds . Assume his pool would do something similar.
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July 09, 2013, 03:14:22 PM
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The pool software that slush wrote does a variable diff check every 30 seconds . Assume his pool would do something similar.

What does does a variable diff check mean?
How is that related to the previous discussion / to my last post?
Can you post a link that confirmes/explains what you've written?
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