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Author Topic: [4+ EH] Slush Pool (slushpool.com); Overt AsicBoost; World First Mining Pool  (Read 4340035 times)
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July 13, 2013, 11:41:35 AM
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because low pool luck

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July 13, 2013, 01:40:46 PM
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well I left because
- namecoin merged mining does not work at all for me although it is said it should work
- slush's score system is poor because when a block is found really quickly many ppl get so little of it because of the scoring system
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July 13, 2013, 02:27:59 PM
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well I left because
- namecoin merged mining does not work at all for me although it is said it should work
- slush's score system is poor because when a block is found really quickly many ppl get so little of it because of the scoring system

My eruptor actually gets a pretty good number of shares on quick blocks, but my GPUs don't.  Not sure if it has anything to do with it. 
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July 13, 2013, 02:35:57 PM
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well I left because
- namecoin merged mining does not work at all for me although it is said it should work
- slush's score system is poor because when a block is found really quickly many ppl get so little of it because of the scoring system

My eruptor actually gets a pretty good number of shares on quick blocks, but my GPUs don't.  Not sure if it has anything to do with it. 

Obviously, if some ppl do not get points on quick blocks, some other will do. This is, however, another unpleasant factor that you can hardly affect.
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July 13, 2013, 03:10:37 PM
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Obviously, if some ppl do not get points on quick blocks, some other will do. This is, however, another unpleasant factor that you can hardly affect.

Umm... no offense bitdude, but if your hardware isn't submitting shares quickly enough in short rounds... maybe its your hardware.  Up until recently I was only running GPUs and the VAST majority of short blocks were well within the acceptable variability one should expect in a short round.  Short rounds are unpredictable. If your miner(s) happen to be working on a higher diff share(s) during the short round you may not submit those in time to get in the round.  Its the nature of mining.  If you've changed your diff on your workers, maybe consider lowering it. 
All in all, the scoring system has some flaws that usually get fixed by Slush, but for the most part it works.  If you don't like the variations in pay, thats ok, there are plenty of pools with very consistent pay (PPS or PPLNS).  But don't go bashing Slush's system just cause you don't like it. Feel free to share concerns or ask questions, but bashing a system you don't seem to understand or like is kind of pointless.

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July 13, 2013, 03:12:28 PM
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well I left because
- namecoin merged mining does not work at all for me although it is said it should work
- slush's score system is poor because when a block is found really quickly many ppl get so little of it because of the scoring system

I might be mistaken, but on quick rounds I thought that your share is highly dependent on your Miner's ability to react to new work as a result of a new block.  (Your miner has to purge all existing work and start on the new work as quickly as possible.)  One good indicator of your miner's performance in this regard is to watch the number of rejected shares that you get after a new block is started.  This epoch does not necessarily correspond to a new round in the pool, as the new block might not be a result of a report from the pool you are mining for.

Given that Slush pioneered Stratum tecnology, I would expect that the blame for purge delay should lay with either the mining firmware or the mining software (and not with Slush's Stratum worksource).

A straw poll:  What mining software are you using, and how well does it perform when a block changes?

blackice: Moduar Python Bitcoin Miner,  ~3 Rejects/Block Change

I get better portions on quick rounds than regular rounds on Slush's pool.  I think that means most folks are not purging as well as they could be. YMMV

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July 13, 2013, 03:17:32 PM
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Alright Guys... Is this going to end soon, or is this the new normal?

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July 13, 2013, 03:26:53 PM
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Alright Guys... Is this going to end soon, or is this the new normal?

By god sir, I will not abide another 7 hour block
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July 13, 2013, 03:39:44 PM
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I'm not a math whiz, but this just doesn't feel right. that CDF thing, i've never been able to wrap my mind around it. Is it saying that we are just a little off what is statistically expected? or is it not relevent to our run of bad luck. Yesterday i added Hashers and lost ground  Tongue . I can't say that i'm liking this. If it is luck, then i know it will turn around eventually, but could it be something else? Is there a way for external influences to affect our luck? Huh
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July 13, 2013, 03:46:55 PM
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I just know... as soon as I jump ship... We're going to hit a string of quick ones.

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July 13, 2013, 03:50:31 PM
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I just know... as soon as I jump ship... We're going to hit a string of quick ones.

I jumped the ship already and landed on 50BTC for now. It was a good call as I observe the pool is on a bad luck streak.
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July 13, 2013, 04:16:48 PM
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I had to pull my system down for 24 hours the other day.  That just happened to be the day thirty blocks were solved.  Finally get back up and running for the worst bad luck steak I've ever personally witnessed.  lol

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July 13, 2013, 04:25:26 PM
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I had to pull my system down for 24 hours the other day.  That just happened to be the day thirty blocks were solved.  Finally get back up and running for the worst bad luck steak I've ever personally witnessed.  lol

Chad

I know that feeling mate.
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July 13, 2013, 04:48:20 PM
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Finally! Let's hope the next 100 or so ones don't take longer than 2 hours. Or did I just jinx it? Tongue
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July 13, 2013, 06:22:39 PM
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w00t, pushing that 7-day average in the right direction now. We thank thee Luck; our dispassionate mathematical deity.

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July 13, 2013, 10:31:14 PM
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I'm not a math whiz, but this just doesn't feel right. that CDF thing, i've never been able to wrap my mind around it. Is it saying that we are just a little off what is statistically expected? or is it not relevent to our run of bad luck. Yesterday i added Hashers and lost ground  Tongue . I can't say that i'm liking this. If it is luck, then i know it will turn around eventually, but could it be something else? Is there a way for external influences to affect our luck? Huh

The CDF percentage represents probability a block will have already been found by now after this number of submitted shares.  So yes, this is an unlucky streak for slush's pool - hang in there. Remember all that matters in the end is fees, and slush's are the lowest I found.

Right now I see

Current round duration:   2:41:28
Current shares CDF:   78.81 %
Approx. cluster performance (30 min average):    18053.927 Ghash/s

Which means that if the network hash rate stayed constant, the difficulty stayed constant, and nobody left or joined slush's pool, 78% of the time, a block will take less time to find than 2 hours and 41 minutes.  However this implies 22% of blocks will take longer than 2 hours and 41 minutes.


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July 13, 2013, 10:44:00 PM
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oh, i get it... I think heh. thanks Wink
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July 14, 2013, 12:31:06 AM
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Hey Slush... if your watching... block 246435 seems off for me... just a bit:

19090    2013-07-14 00:12:53    4:20:53    65593477    7674    0.00000133    246435    25.41995000      99 confirmations left

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July 14, 2013, 12:34:34 AM
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Hey Slush... if your watching... block 246435 seems off for me... just a bit:

19090    2013-07-14 00:12:53    4:20:53    65593477    7674    0.00000133    246435    25.41995000      99 confirmations left

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same here

19090    2013-07-14 00:12:53    4:20:53    65593477    18847    0.00000328    246435    25.41995000    99 confirmations left
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July 14, 2013, 12:35:35 AM
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um... yeah sombody don't like us.  Grin

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