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March 01, 2014, 08:50:06 AM
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Good news, we have setup a new EU stratum server today as a replacement for the original one.

Now we need to wonder, would someone replace something if there wasn't a problem with it? Backstage issues, long blocks, yup...

I don't care because I'm swamped with work, haven't been checking often. Hopefully we see the problem lifted and shorter rounds start happening...

can you please show us with X's and O's how back end  hardware causes long blocks.

my request of u is as loony as...

Yeah isn't it funny how they repair the server, then the rounds get short and our luck improves drastically and immediately?!

Why do I feel like so many people are in denial about the fact technical issues are very likely tied to our long blocks? Lot of IT guys in this thread or what? Afraid to consider exploration of the unknown grey area we cannot see? Try just for a moment to imagine like you don't have all the answers, and that maybe the number sold to us as "luck" does not represent factors of pure un-corrupted chance probability. Pay attention next time our luck takes a major nosedive, usually we get an announcement about a technical issue that was being resolved, or a DDOS attack being fended off. I'm fine with it, no plans to leave the pool, but I think too many people here reach for their rifles when people ask questions or make suggestions- what's the harm in a reasonable hypothesis about a backstage technical issue impacting our performance? People come here bitching about luck, but luck isn't truly "luck" if it's caused by a technical issue.

Anyways, now that they resolved the technical issues I am glad to see our "luck" is back to where it should be. On the other hand, if the server shits the bed then you could say it's bad luck, I mean for a server to just crap out like that, or the way the pool always chokes when we approach 900TH. In that sense maybe it is all luck, but if the system is stable backstage we seem to have some very nice runs, and maybe you could argue not having technical issue for a week is a matter of good luck. Happy? See, I argued both sides in terms I can even agree with.

It's just the oposite, in fact: People come here bitching about "reasonable hypotheses" that are no reasonable at all.

Kindly tell me, who is to judge if a hypothesis is reasonable or not? I've seen a lot of people discussing poor luck, and then anyone that dares mention the possibility that our drastic dips in luck may be because of special-cause events, like technical issues, people freak out and can't handle it or something. You tell me, am I imagining things where most of our 15+ hour blocks are followed by some type of announcement of a technical issue and then an immediate improvement in the round times and luck values? I see it happen almost every time. It makes sense the issues get announced after, because Slush doesn't want people bailing off the pool if they learn about a tech issue.

Few weeks ago, maybe even a whole month, there was an announcement about the server jamming up just shy of 900th. The whole network has grown and we are still under 900th, in fact we've been between 750-850th for over a month, why is that? When we get close to 900th I'm starting to wonder if the server craps out, otherwise why aren't we there yet? Last time we almost kissed 900th the whole server went down, and we had a series of long blocks... Miners leave on their own during the long blocks and I presume the issue almost compounds in that way, but the longer we are held under 900th the more likely we can expect average round times to get longer as the rest of the network and other pools are getting bigger.

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March 01, 2014, 08:56:32 AM
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I'm also afraid to tell you that 'luck' does not exist - you can calculate probability but not luck (unless someone could post the calculation for the likelihood of luck existing)...

'Luck' exists, silly! If you earned more than expected, you've had good 'luck'. If you earned less than expected, you had bad 'luck'.

One certainty is that as the pool grows then so does the traffic into servers and it doesn't matter how much hashing goes on, it has to get to a server and 800-825TH seems to be the current 'lucky' number range.

No, the traffic problem is what vardiff solves.

Of course luck doesn't exist it is a convenient word to cover bad judgement, calculations or events we choose not to understand or have control of.

If you expect to earn  X and you earn Y then a force has acted upon X to move its value to Y - an event, not luck.
Either way your expectation/calculation was wrong.

I'm sorry, but you are an idiot.

Please don't push your ignorance again and again.
(When OoC tells you that you're wrong, think twice and don't oppose. Because you can be sure you are wrong.)

I'd actually like to hear more of what he has to say, and I don't see a need for your criticism. It's a forum and open discussion isn't for any member to regulate like this. That whole "think twice and don't oppose" comment you made, reminds me of someone I once know, real toxic bastard type... Seriously, why try to bully people out of presenting ideas?

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March 01, 2014, 09:27:38 AM
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I'm also afraid to tell you that 'luck' does not exist - you can calculate probability but not luck (unless someone could post the calculation for the likelihood of luck existing)...

'Luck' exists, silly! If you earned more than expected, you've had good 'luck'. If you earned less than expected, you had bad 'luck'.

One certainty is that as the pool grows then so does the traffic into servers and it doesn't matter how much hashing goes on, it has to get to a server and 800-825TH seems to be the current 'lucky' number range.

No, the traffic problem is what vardiff solves.

Of course luck doesn't exist it is a convenient word to cover bad judgement, calculations or events we choose not to understand or have control of.

If you expect to earn  X and you earn Y then a force has acted upon X to move its value to Y - an event, not luck.
Either way your expectation/calculation was wrong.

I'm sorry, but you are an idiot.

Please don't push your ignorance again and again.
(When OoC tells you that you're wrong, think twice and don't oppose. Because you can be sure you are wrong.)

I'd actually like to hear more of what he has to say, and I don't see a need for your criticism. It's a forum and open discussion isn't for any member to regulate like this. That whole "think twice and don't oppose" comment you made, reminds me of someone I once know, real toxic bastard type... Seriously, why try to bully people out of presenting ideas?

He had presented & repeated his bad idea for several times. He has been correcred more than once by someone who differs from him in that he understands the subject. He didn't stop bitching.
If you read the forum regularly, you should know already.

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And, please, don't tear parts of sentences out of the context. I'm pretty sure that my two sentences in the parentheses at the end of my post make very good sense when taken in whole.

[edit2] Your reminiscences are your problem, not mine... Smiley
(And when they are based on your tearing out of context, they are really no problem for me.)
In fact, your reminiscences talk about you, not about me...
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March 01, 2014, 09:34:56 AM
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March 01, 2014, 09:48:37 AM
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I'd actually like to hear more of what he has to say, and I don't see a need for your criticism. It's a forum and open discussion isn't for any member to regulate like this. That whole "think twice and don't oppose" comment you made, reminds me of someone I once know, real toxic bastard type... Seriously, why try to bully people out of presenting ideas?

I replied to binja9:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg5418642#msg5418642

As for gourmet, I understand where he's coming from. The question of "luck" get raised every ten pages or so, and someone has to answer them. Sometimes it takes longer to get the idea across, and it get's a little frustrating because I have (or someone else has) had to explain this before, many times. If the blame lies anywhere, it's in me being a poor teacher.

I should probably write up something permanent somewhere that just addresses pool luck, and that people can link to whenever luck gets raised.

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March 01, 2014, 10:07:10 AM
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Few weeks ago, maybe even a whole month, there was an announcement about the server jamming up just shy of 900th.
You will keep repeating that until you start to believe it ... OK go on I can ignore it the way you ignored my replies pointing the opposite

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March 01, 2014, 10:16:50 AM
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If the blame lies anywhere, it's in me being a poor teacher.
No, it's more to do with somebody being a very slow learner.

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They won't read it; or if they do, they either won't understand it, or refuse to accept it because you don't support their own arguments.

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March 01, 2014, 10:28:17 AM
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I'd actually like to hear more of what he has to say, and I don't see a need for your criticism. It's a forum and open discussion isn't for any member to regulate like this. That whole "think twice and don't oppose" comment you made, reminds me of someone I once know, real toxic bastard type... Seriously, why try to bully people out of presenting ideas?

I replied to binja9:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg5418642#msg5418642

As for gourmet, I understand where he's coming from. The question of "luck" get raised every ten pages or so, and someone has to answer them. Sometimes it takes longer to get the idea across, and it get's a little frustrating because I have (or someone else has) had to explain this before, many times. If the blame lies anywhere, it's in me being a poor teacher.

I should probably write up something permanent somewhere that just addresses pool luck, and that people can link to whenever luck gets raised.


You're not poor teacher at all. You're one of the good teachers not only of this forum. One of the best ones, I'd say. There are just some bad learners. :-)

(And for anybody who would try to tell that there are no bad pupils, just bad teachers: No. That's a cheap populism. There are both good and poor teachers and both good and bad pupils.)
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March 01, 2014, 10:32:20 AM
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My apologies KNK, It appears I may have spoken to soon. (Technically that first block was pretty well past the 2h 15min mark )
But you nailed the turn in luck prediction Smiley
No, I made 2 mistakes in that prediction, so I was wrong, but yes, the luck had to turn up at 20%

finally ty for whoever did some magic for better luck

There is no magic, it was expected, because the luck should average at 100% - when it's too low it should go up

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March 01, 2014, 02:20:24 PM
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My apologies KNK, It appears I may have spoken to soon. (Technically that first block was pretty well past the 2h 15min mark )
But you nailed the turn in luck prediction Smiley
No, I made 2 mistakes in that prediction, so I was wrong, but yes, the luck had to turn up at 20%

finally ty for whoever did some magic for better luck

There is no magic, it was expected, because the luck should average at 100% - when it's too low it should go up


the mining is becoming a bit boring tho... (even on slush's - mining on btcguild and ghash is always boring...)

those were the days when we were finding 10 blocks a day (on average) - and that was at the beginning of january!

now - all there's left is watching the double digits going up... and up...Sad


still - it was exciting last night for about an hour...Wink

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Yeah it's really exciting watching a stock market predictability decline at an unpredictable rate.   Undecided
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March 01, 2014, 02:46:07 PM
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Yeah it's really exciting watching a stock market predictability decline at an unpredictable rate.   Undecided

i was talking about our 3 blocks found in 61 minutes...
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March 01, 2014, 02:53:31 PM
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Yeah it's really exciting watching a stock market predictability decline at an unpredictable rate.   Undecided

i was talking about our 3 blocks found in 61 minutes...

Understood, and I referring to days of 12hr blocks. Paint does dry faster.
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March 01, 2014, 03:03:11 PM
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Yeah it's really exciting watching a stock market predictability decline at an unpredictable rate.   Undecided

i was talking about our 3 blocks found in 61 minutes...

Understood, and I referring to days of 12hr blocks. Paint does dry faster.


12 hrs is (as we are slowly finding out) not that long...Wink

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March 01, 2014, 03:05:24 PM
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Yeah it's really exciting watching a stock market predictability decline at an unpredictable rate.   Undecided

i was talking about our 3 blocks found in 61 minutes...

Understood, and I referring to days of 12hr blocks. Paint does dry faster.


12 hrs is (as we are slowly finding out) not that long...Wink



the ways of slush's luck/blocks etc are mysterious to me!

(must also take up paint drying as another hobby then watching slush pool via ssh and my knc miner...eureka maybe paint my room and watch slush feed
it would still suck but at least I'd be multitasking)

man I need a life....of course it is Friday nite in Minnesota and 30 below wind chill could be worse

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This is good news. Difficulty may drop from sheer mining boredom.
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March 01, 2014, 04:13:54 PM
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This is good news. Difficulty may drop from sheer mining boredom.

we can only hope...
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March 01, 2014, 07:02:31 PM
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If the blame lies anywhere, it's in me being a poor teacher.
No, it's more to do with somebody being a very slow learner.

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They won't read it; or if they do, they either won't understand it, or refuse to accept it because you don't support their own arguments.

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March 01, 2014, 10:56:30 PM
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Holy crap - a 35 second block - that has to be some kind of record!

naw, i saw a 20 second block once.

I remember a 14 second one. And it's not been too long ago.
And a 4 second one last year.
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March 01, 2014, 11:17:31 PM
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Holy crap - a 35 second block - that has to be some kind of record!

naw, i saw a 20 second block once.

I remember a 14 second one. And it's not been too long ago.
And a 4 second one last year.

Shortest I ever seen was block 239570 found by slush on 2013-06-03 in just 2 seconds. Unfortunately it was invalid for us...


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