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February 12, 2014, 03:21:55 AM
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My guess would be that the Mhash/s* is adjusting since it's on to a new block. That hash rate number is based on "shares so far" on the current block so the bigger rigs probably take over a little faster and then it smooths out as time goes on. Just my theory. I guess it would only be problematic in really fast solved blocks? But I don't think your equipment has any issues if it comes back over a short time.

Thanks for the reply -

I may not have explained as well as I could have. It doesn't seem to me to be a short time (relatively speaking I guess) and not just in blocks that are solved quickly. I usually am running between 96 and 101 Gh/s and my miners are steady within that range until a block is found. Once a block is found and the stat page has the block in 'processing', I am hashing between 85 and 89 Gh/s for the 35 - 40 minutes (or so) it takes to finish processing. I watch for a recovery to the 96 to 101 Gh/s rate and it only comes back after I have a reward posted and 'processing' is no longer displayed for the block. This has happened 7 times in a row that I have made sure to watch. I was going to wait for the current block to finish before posting, but its taking forever  Sad

I originally thought it might be adjustment to the new block...and I guess it is still possible, but it just seemed odd that the hash rate dropped right when the block was found and processing started, then came back when processing was finished for every block I watched, no matter the speed of the block. I guess I will make some more observations that are better timed to see if I find more clues.

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February 12, 2014, 03:29:51 AM
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My guess would be that the Mhash/s* is adjusting since it's on to a new block. That hash rate number is based on "shares so far" on the current block so the bigger rigs probably take over a little faster and then it smooths out as time goes on. Just my theory. I guess it would only be problematic in really fast solved blocks? But I don't think your equipment has any issues if it comes back over a short time.

Thanks for the reply -

I may not have explained as well as I could have. It doesn't seem to me to be a short time (relatively speaking I guess) and not just in blocks that are solved quickly. I usually am running between 96 and 101 Gh/s and my miners are steady within that range until a block is found. Once a block is found and the stat page has the block in 'processing', I am hashing between 85 and 89 Gh/s for the 35 - 40 minutes (or so) it takes to finish processing. I watch for a recovery to the 96 to 101 Gh/s rate and it only comes back after I have a reward posted and 'processing' is no longer displayed for the block. This has happened 7 times in a row that I have made sure to watch. I was going to wait for the current block to finish before posting, but its taking forever  Sad

I originally thought it might be adjustment to the new block...and I guess it is still possible, but it just seemed odd that the hash rate dropped right when the block was found and processing started, then came back when processing was finished for every block I watched, no matter the speed of the block. I guess I will make some more observations that are better timed to see if I find more clues.

Thanks again...

Actually I get the opposite effect. When a new block is found my rate seems higher for a little while. It'll show 210-20 at times when I know I am running at a pretty solid 206. I guess the best way to see if it's really affecting your payout is to average shares over time and see if the payouts you are getting equal the average number of shares you are getting? There may be a lag in the database when a new block is found?

EDIT: Just as that block cleared my hash rate went to 220429.682. I only have 206-207 tops here. So I think it needs to recalibrate after each round. Also the pool has gone from 80- 82,?Huh Ghash/s to 868210.711 Ghash/s over the last 2 days or so. I think a lot of people bailed and then came back. Imagine the work the database has to do to calculate all of these statistics in near real time. I think Slush does a pretty good job. But it's not NASA. There are sure to be some anomoly's.

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February 12, 2014, 06:14:50 AM
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Website down for anyone else?

Things that make you go hmmmmm... "luck" my ass

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February 12, 2014, 06:17:21 AM
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Yes it is down for me as well - 503

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February 12, 2014, 06:17:59 AM
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Website down for anyone else?

Things that make you go hmmmmm... "luck" my ass

Touché Dubbs!

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February 12, 2014, 06:37:16 AM
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website is down for me too, my miners still get shares. looks like mining still works.

i am the one without any idea what he is doing, also i take donations ^^
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February 12, 2014, 06:40:58 AM
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Connected to stratum.bitcoin.cz diff 4 with stratum as user *****

website down for me but miner can connect....


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February 12, 2014, 07:25:56 AM
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It's back up

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February 12, 2014, 09:03:24 AM
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i (almost) trippled my hashing power on 6.feb.

due to our "pool luck" my earnings are BELOW the former average - so i have tripple the hashing power but not even the same earnings..

i lost almost an entire week of my new hardwars capabilities.

help me people, i really WANT to stay at sllush, but its getting harder every minute!

i am the one without any idea what he is doing, also i take donations ^^
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February 12, 2014, 09:31:54 AM
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i (almost) trippled my hashing power on 6.feb.

due to our "pool luck" my earnings are BELOW the former average - so i have tripple the hashing power but not even the same earnings..

i lost almost an entire week of my new hardwars capabilities.

help me people, i really WANT to stay at sllush, but its getting harder every minute!

Is that not what's meant to happen, it gets harder as time moves on?

Will it eventually be the guys that can afford millions of dollars of kit that will be the sole miners?

I can't see how anyone will be able to house the needed hardware in their own homes in the near future, these cloud farms are taking over fast.
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February 12, 2014, 09:35:17 AM
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i (almost) trippled my hashing power on 6.feb.

due to our "pool luck" my earnings are BELOW the former average - so i have tripple the hashing power but not even the same earnings..

i lost almost an entire week of my new hardwars capabilities.

help me people, i really WANT to stay at sllush, but its getting harder every minute!

Is that not what's meant to happen, it gets harder as time moves on?

Will it eventually be the guys that can afford millions of dollars of kit that will be the sole miners?

I can't see how anyone will be able to house the needed hardware in their own homes in the near future, these cloud farms are taking over fast.

of course you're right, it is supposed to get harder. but less then one third of earnings in a span of one week is in no way acceptable.

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February 12, 2014, 10:05:32 AM
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"12.02.2014
Quick update, website has been migrated to a new location as it turned out to be a DDOS attack. Everything is now operational."

Can someone clever please explain to me what effect that might have us and on the pool.
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February 12, 2014, 12:02:35 PM
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"12.02.2014
Quick update, website has been migrated to a new location as it turned out to be a DDOS attack. Everything is now operational."

Can someone clever please explain to me what effect that might have us and on the pool.

I had to look up the acronym "Distributed Denial of Service". So similarly my questions are was this targeted at the pool, at bitcoin in general and did someone somehow benefit from this with respect to mining coin over the period of attack?

How would this have been executed and what measures are the pool or mining in general able to take to not have this reoccur?
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February 12, 2014, 01:35:18 PM
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Just waking up (in CA)....reading the message about migrating from slush.  was the site under attack the past 10 days or so, or is this recent ?  Is that why our "luck" was so bad ?  if so, why are things not more transparent ?

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February 12, 2014, 01:44:16 PM
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This is what I've been talking about that some people don't want to consider, a problem backstage. Right now our feedback loops consist of estimated reward, hash rate, round time, and luck. I guess "CDF" might be important, but I don't know how to read it or what it means. Anyways, that's not the point. If we had knowledge of these attacks, then perhaps the 15+ hour round and awful "luck" would have proper context. Here is yet another example where a technical issue backstage is probably playing a significant role in our round length or ability to find a block. Whatever, it's Bitcoin mining, just a hobby for me; and I'm fine waiting for the technical issues to be resolved, but I wish there was a better feedback loop to tell us the technical "health" of the website, just more transparency during rather than after the event.

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February 12, 2014, 01:54:47 PM
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This is what I've been talking about that some people don't want to consider, a problem backstage. Right now our feedback loops consist of estimated reward, hash rate, round time, and luck. I guess "CDF" might be important, but I don't know how to read it or what it means. Anyways, that's not the point. If we had knowledge of these attacks, then perhaps the 15+ hour round and awful "luck" would have proper context. Here is yet another example where a technical issue backstage is probably playing a significant role in our round length or ability to find a block. Whatever, it's Bitcoin mining, just a hobby for me; and I'm fine waiting for the technical issues to be resolved, but I wish there was a better feedback loop to tell us the technical "health" of the website, just more transparency during rather than after the event.

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February 12, 2014, 02:34:19 PM
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jumped ship...the luck should change now.  i think i am the cooler.  =)


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February 12, 2014, 02:34:44 PM
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I guess "CDF" might be important, but I don't know how to read it or what it means.
That's what organofcorti tried to explain, but it's easier to whinecomplain i guess.

Right now CDF is at 69.26 % and there are 3092255627 shares contributed in current round, while the difficulty is 2621404453, so:
we have 3092255627 / 2621404453 = ~1.18 times the difficulty shares. Check on the CDF graph where is 1.18 on the horizontal axis and the CDF value is on the vertical axis. It shows that ~69% of all blocks are found before the number of shares we have so far.
Or otherwise said - once CDF passes over 50% the current round will reduce the daily pool luck.
If you check the same calculations against several rounds you should be more and more closer to 50% CDF (or 100% luck).

Right now the pool dropped to ~766Th/s, so it's 100Th/s or 13% less - with floating hashrate you can't be sure when it was normal to find a block, but the CDF will always be the same, no matter if the pool is 1Th or 1Ph

The website is just a representation/stats of the mining and is in no way related to luck or rewards. Slush pool will keep working and collect your rewards even if the website is shutdown for a week.

'backstage problems' with stratum servers may affect the pool, but then the 'Approx. cluster performance' will also drop. When pool's total hashpower goes down, then it's expected that the time to find a block will increase - it is no different from several miners hoping away from the pool.

Right now the pool hashrate dropped, but that's more likely a network connection problem not related in any way to the pool and out of control of the pool operators, so yes there is a problem, but no it's not a pool problem ... or just someone with 100Th hopped from the pool and there is no problem at all

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February 12, 2014, 02:36:39 PM
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Before jumping to conclusions on the effect of the DDoS attack how much remains a function of luck. What is "it" in this statement? Is "it" the poor luck experienced over the last while? The preceding update addresses an issue that appeared to be resolved regarding hash rate.

"12.02.2014
Quick update, website has been migrated to a new location as it turned out to be a DDOS attack. Everything is now operational."

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February 12, 2014, 03:55:02 PM
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just got done with a bunch of back and forth emails with support from Coinbase. I found a few +0.00000001 deposits in my account and their "verify text" system was done for hours. This was happening the same time all these attacks were occurring. Coinbase support got things cleared up, but still makes me uneasy since the Bitcoin I do have. Took forever to get. I'd rather not lose it.

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