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February 16, 2014, 11:39:48 AM
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Just wanted to say... I put half my gear on ghash.io and left around half on Slush. Over a short amount of time Slush mining had higher revenues. I didn't keep detailed records, but over 48 hours it was an easy decision to move everything back to Slush.

tough to really get pool stats in 48hrs.  Slush got hot--it had to.  seems like it has cooled, and it's back to it's regular sluggish self.  I just got tired of the consistent inconsistencies in daily earnings. 

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February 16, 2014, 03:23:03 PM
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I am not an expert in stats, but I have had training and experience.  The consistent "bad luck" that we have experienced over the last 10000 blocks is starting to look remarkably systematic, and not a question of chance alone.  There might be an underlying factor such as speed of connections within the pool, distance from the pool members to the server where the blocks are recorded, etc. This might be subtle and appear irrelevant but is significant enough in the financial markets to have the servers for the rapid trading systems be in NY and NJ where both reale state and energy are more expensive.  You can be sure that the TH corps utilize every such advantage.
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February 16, 2014, 03:53:49 PM
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I am not an expert in stats, but I have had training and experience.  The consistent "bad luck" that we have experienced over the last 10000 blocks is starting to look remarkably systematic, and not a question of chance alone.  There might be an underlying factor such as speed of connections within the pool, distance from the pool members to the server where the blocks are recorded, etc. This might be subtle and appear irrelevant but is significant enough in the financial markets to have the servers for the rapid trading systems be in NY and NJ where both reale state and energy are more expensive.  You can be sure that the TH corps utilize every such advantage.
I am not an expert in trolling, but to register just to post nonsense as your first post looks as trolling to me.

Bad connections may result in more orphan blocks, but when the pool finds a block it submits it to the network and ends the round ... it does not store it at some remote location - it stores the miner score in remote database from where it is displayed on the website, but that operation is not time critical.

The distance from the pool members will increase the stale shares for the user, but again will not affect the pool success and abilty to find a block.

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February 16, 2014, 04:11:19 PM
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I am not attempting to troll, far from it.  I have been with Slush consistently since Oct and run 200 GH/sec, quite satisfied to be here.  However, and to have an 86% luck for the pool over the chain growth of over 7000 blocks warrants consideration.  It is not just random noise related to small sample issues.  I have been reading erudite posts from OoC as well as others' with more or less rational explanations and denials of the trends.  Not being an IT professional I am merely suggesting that there might be a systematic advantage in the newly rising data centers' close proximity of the miners to one another that would give them an advantage, fewer stale shares being one.  I do believe that there might be room on this forum for intelligent discussion rather than either just cheerleading or flaming.
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February 16, 2014, 04:51:51 PM
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Hello All.

Looks like Difficulty and Variance are catching up with me on Slush's pool. When I started mining here difficulty was a small, small fraction of what it is today. I am now looking at another 11 hour Block. Block #286208 , and it is staring at me, and laughing in my face. Not nice really. It appears to me over time as Difficulty has risen and variance has followed the extreme blocks are getting longer and longer.  I remember when people freaked out over a 10 to 12 hour block. Now they defend it with honor. I am afraid when difficulty triples from where it is today. This will probably take a few days so not to be to concerned, the extreme blocks could easily extend for 24 hours or more.

I am curious. What is the shortest block time, and the longest block time anyone has ever seen here, and what the difficulty was at the time. I am not posting what I remember, but I remember some very fast, and very, very slow blocks, and am curious what others remember.
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February 16, 2014, 05:05:34 PM
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I am hoping there is something wrong with the server at this point, I have never complained and been mining solely with this pool for years.  But from the last block to this block my estimated payout has been reduced 1/100th of the normal I get.  If this is true and not just a display error I will be walking away for good.   I have bit my tongue and stayed quite during all the other luck issue we have had, but staying at the same Hash rate to get 1/100th of the normal payout is just not going to happen.

Anyone else having this issue?
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February 16, 2014, 05:07:12 PM
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Same here.
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February 16, 2014, 05:07:41 PM
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unless you get free electricity.

It's never free, the planet pays...

Come on lady luck!

I run off of pure SOLAR(no damage to the enviroment) and even generate enough that the power company pays me for what I kick back into their system.
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February 16, 2014, 05:10:07 PM
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There is a problem. We found a block some minutes ago, but it's not showing up in the stats.
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February 16, 2014, 05:26:50 PM
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I wonder if it is tied to the irregularity with the rewards level simultaneously dropping to 1/100 level
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February 16, 2014, 05:33:31 PM
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you mean block #286209 on blockchain https://blockchain.info/nl/block-index/468084/000000000000000087e4e2f178c86c6802f0f22c83e00edc59eae7694fe92b59

last month i`ve seen the same problem with another pool where i have some miners, the pool operator said that blockchain isn`t always right
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=27062.msg4644357#msg4644357
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February 16, 2014, 05:48:54 PM
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286214 Sorry I typed the wrong block number. It's almost 12 hours now. It hates me. Hates me I saw.
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February 16, 2014, 05:50:59 PM
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last month i`ve seen the same problem with another pool where i have some miners, the pool operator said that blockchain isn`t always right
Blockexplorer also links #286209 to Slush, and the payout address is correct on both Blockexplorer and Blockchain, so either they are both right or both wrong.

No doubt it will get fixed in due course.

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February 16, 2014, 05:51:16 PM
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It must be time for the pool hoppers to go

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February 16, 2014, 06:20:33 PM
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last month i`ve seen the same problem with another pool where i have some miners, the pool operator said that blockchain isn`t always right
Blockexplorer also links #286209 to Slush, and the payout address is correct on both Blockexplorer and Blockchain, so either they are both right or both wrong.

No doubt it will get fixed in due course.

it seems your right block #286126 (which slush`s solved) was payed to the same BTC adress as block #286209
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February 16, 2014, 06:54:56 PM
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last month i`ve seen the same problem with another pool where i have some miners, the pool operator said that blockchain isn`t always right
Blockexplorer also links #286209 to Slush, and the payout address is correct on both Blockexplorer and Blockchain, so either they are both right or both wrong.

No doubt it will get fixed in due course.

it seems your right block #286126 (which slush`s solved) was payed to the same BTC adress as block #286209

Have to agree with this….  https://blockchain.info/blocks/Slush

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February 16, 2014, 06:58:48 PM
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last month i`ve seen the same problem with another pool where i have some miners, the pool operator said that blockchain isn`t always right
Blockexplorer also links #286209 to Slush, and the payout address is correct on both Blockexplorer and Blockchain, so either they are both right or both wrong.

No doubt it will get fixed in due course.

it seems your right block #286126 (which slush`s solved) was payed to the same BTC adress as block #286209

Have to agree with this….  https://blockchain.info/blocks/Slush

check your wallets guys n gals
a payment has just arrived in my wallet from slush, for the 10th,(still unconfirmed)
when I check back to the 10th I find the payment was already received, but the time stamp is different.

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February 16, 2014, 07:10:52 PM
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KNK,
I am not attempting to troll, far from it.  I have been with Slush consistently since Oct and run 200 GH/sec, quite satisfied to be here.  However, and to have an 86% luck for the pool over the chain growth of over 7000 blocks warrants consideration.  It is not just random noise related to small sample issues.  I have been reading erudite posts from OoC as well as others' with more or less rational explanations and denials of the trends.  Not being an IT professional I am merely suggesting that there might be a systematic advantage in the newly rising data centers' close proximity of the miners to one another that would give them an advantage, fewer stale shares being one.  I do believe that there might be room on this forum for intelligent discussion rather than either just cheerleading or flaming.
I am sure OoC can post stats for other pools having bad luck for even longer periods, because i remember there was a few months window of bad luck and longer blocks for some of the big pools (BTC Guild i think, but not sure).

Yes, your concerns about connection speed and delays are correct, but they cause different kind of problems for the pool, which is not the case right now. The fact that we had few rounds for a short time (21673 to 21679) means that the pool connections are fast enought to bring those blocks to the network in time.

It appears to me over time as Difficulty has risen and variance has followed the extreme blocks are getting longer and longer.  I remember when people freaked out over a 10 to 12 hour block. Now they defend it with honor. I am afraid when difficulty triples from where it is today. This will probably take a few days so not to be to concerned, the extreme blocks could easily extend for 24 hours or more.

I am curious. What is the shortest block time, and the longest block time anyone has ever seen here, and what the difficulty was at the time. I am not posting what I remember, but I remember some very fast, and very, very slow blocks, and am curious what others remember.
Not the Difficulty is causing the rounds to get longer, but the share we have from the entire network. Even if the difficulty goes down in half if the pool's hashrate is reduced to 1/3 at the same time we will still end with longer rounds.

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February 16, 2014, 07:19:13 PM
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Blockexplorer also links #286209 to Slush, and the payout address is correct on both Blockexplorer and Blockchain, so either they are both right or both wrong.

No doubt it will get fixed in due course.

it seems your right block #286126 (which slush`s solved) was payed to the same BTC adress as block #286209

Now, this is a valid point and I agree there is a problem with the pool, but I am also sure it will get fixed.

Maybe it will discover the problem for the last few weeks or maybe it's just temporary glitch, but is something that deserves attenion, not 'cheasing ghosts' like the complaints before.

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February 16, 2014, 07:20:07 PM
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I think at the end of the day people will be forced to use only the largest pools to reduce variance. Variance is the real problem that can be controlled. Difficulty is out of our control. The only other way is to mine PPS (Pay Per Share) and accept the higher pool fee's, as at least you know there is no variance. Just a higher pool fee. There are really very few options, and as time passes, the real options seem to be fewer and fewer.
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