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October 23, 2014, 02:43:02 PM
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I love the Avalon's they are stable as hell allot more than the bitmains. The interfaces are about the same but a Lil more refined on the Avalon i think anyway. But they are a Lil power hungry and louder than a 747.  

Our power bills are about 9-15 k a month anyway and that's with .05 kWh so they really don't care.

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Thanks for your opinion on the Avalon's.  I'm doing research on them now.

My 8 inch exhaust fan comes in today via UPS.  That means more work to do on my data closet.

The one thing i do absolutely love about the Avalon's is that you can overclock on the fly.  Say its winter and my server room is on the cold side i can go into the ip overclock it and im done.  Dont have to go through putty etc.  I got a really good deal on 2 full Avalon Suit's only reason i have them.  But i do have to say i love them.

Yeah have fun with putting the fan in.  I just pulled a ceiling tile out and put in 2 box fans lol.

JT

WOW!!!

Yeah, I would have to get a good deal on those to buy them.  I don't doubt their stability and reliability but DAMN they are expensive!  LOL

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October 23, 2014, 06:13:23 PM
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How is it that "1 Day Luck" was at 52% at about the 11th hour into this block and now it is at 104% at the 15th hour into this same block?

Are we finding blocks that we are not seeing [two more] that would send us to 104% for 1 Day Luck?

If someone tries to say 104% is for the last 24 hour period, they are wrong by that calculation as well.  Also, I KNOW I saw 52% at the 11th hour.

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How is it that "1 Day Luck" was at 52% at about the 11th hour into this block and now it is at 104% at the 15th hour into this same block?

Are we finding blocks that we are not seeing [two more] that would send us to 104% for 1 Day Luck?

If someone tries to say 104% is for the last 24 hour period, they are wrong by that calculation as well.
The luck went up because the 19 hour block 326328 dropped off the 24 chart. The luck doesn't include the current block, so it's not updated in realtime. I believe it is the pool luck for the 24 hours preceding the start of the current block, but I'm not 100% sure on that.
Hence why in the previous discussion on difficulty why I said I wasn't sure with Slush. The calculation for luck as difficulty/shares is trivially easy, but it's not immediately apparent what timeframe slush looks at since it's not updated in realtime.
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October 23, 2014, 07:13:05 PM
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That would make more sense to me.

Thank you!

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October 23, 2014, 11:47:01 PM
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How is it that "1 Day Luck" was at 52% at about the 11th hour into this block and now it is at 104% at the 15th hour into this same block?

Are we finding blocks that we are not seeing [two more] that would send us to 104% for 1 Day Luck?

If someone tries to say 104% is for the last 24 hour period, they are wrong by that calculation as well.
The luck went up because the 19 hour block 326328 dropped off the 24 chart. The luck doesn't include the current block, so it's not updated in realtime. I believe it is the pool luck for the 24 hours preceding the start of the current block, but I'm not 100% sure on that.
Hence why in the previous discussion on difficulty why I said I wasn't sure with Slush. The calculation for luck as difficulty/shares is trivially easy, but it's not immediately apparent what timeframe slush looks at since it's not updated in realtime.

No, it does not make sense after looking at it more.

You said 24 hours "preceding the start of the current block."

The current block at that time was the one I high lighted in blue. We were 15 hours into it when I posted this in the forum.

Count the hours before that block by just looking at when the block was found [high lighted in green from the 19 hour block and the 7 hour 50 minute block from date 10/21/2014 to 10/22/2014.  THAT is when the block was FOUND for each of those blocks.  The 16 hour 26 minute block was found well into 20/23/2014 [almost a full 48 hours from that 19 hour block.

ALSO:  24 hours from the beginning of that block in discussion where the luck changed from 52% to 104% is highlighted in purple.

22997   2014-10-23 19:42:49   16:26:51   111496217152   101036274  0.01998294   326661   25.15691386   79 confirmations left
22996   2014-10-23 03:15:58   2:00:10   13659371794   12445010    0.02250698   326559   25.04462995   confirmed
22995   2014-10-23 01:15:48   5:08:14   34443220190   31684740    0.02213125   326547   25.13387705   confirmed
22994   2014-10-22 20:07:34   7:50:27   52866271563   48021070    0.02191315   326516   25.11536340   confirmed
22993   2014-10-22 12:17:07   9:04:42   60590855696   56001130    0.02321977   326459   25.04656126   confirmed
22992   2014-10-22 03:12:25   7:11:35   49118198933   44347412    0.02230260   326403   25.08423240   confirmed
22991   2014-10-21 20:00:50   2:36:33   17929014931   15894990    0.02178437   326341   25.17831095   confirmed
22990   2014-10-21 17:24:17   19:05:23   131276931588   117224096  0.02225403   326328   25.15150823   confirmed

Again, you said 24 hours (1 day - as in 1 Day Luck) preceding the start of the current block.  If that is the case, you simply go by WHEN the block prior to that one was found: 2014-10-23 03:15:58   2:00:10.  Make note it is the 23rd Day of October.

24 hours before that block would have fallen on the 22nd day of October for the block found 2014-10-22 03:12:25.

So, NO, it still does not make sense.

Sorry, if fishy things would not occur in math [pretty much a universal language] then those who participate would not think something fishy is going on.

People can criticize me all they want to.  I learn fast and I analyze everything.  If I ever see what I think is an error, I ask questions instead of being herded around like sheep.

That's just me.

I'm sure what I'm typing right now is being analyzed by moderators.  The moderators are the ones I'm concerned about.  They are the shepherds and we are the sheep.

Any problems with me asking questions?

You would be asking questions if you have experienced things I have experienced.

For instance.  The other night I navigated over to BTCGuild.  All of a sudden my fan in my laptop starts blowing real hard to do some serious cooling.  I'm like, that's not good.  So, I went to my activity monitor in my Mac and saw BTC Guild in Safari was using 99% of my CPU.  WHY?  I believe it was to use my laptop to hash.  

I send the owner of the guild a PM telling him about it and 10 to 15 minutes later it stops.  

Too much fishy crap going on around here.  Well, the owner of the guild is a moderator on here.  I never get a response to the PM I sent.  The CPU usage just stops and it hasn't occurred anymore.

So, what would you think if you were me?

I'm not one to be herded around like sheep.

I ask questions...

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October 24, 2014, 12:13:15 AM
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percent calculations are all with times based on UTC so new days start at a complete different time frame then mst. or est. as was stated we dont know the exact parameters used for the simple luck calculation 54% could easily be 3 blocks found last 24 hours based on shares submitted vs current cdf 3 blocks close to 220 billion shares current dif 35b etc but without knowing his starting or calculation parameters its conjecture but you could tell me again about being a telco trainer  Tongue

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October 24, 2014, 12:14:35 AM
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percent calculations are all with times based on UTC so new days start at a complete different time frame then mst. or est. as was stated we dont know the exact parameters used for the simple luck calculation 54% could easily be 3 blocks found last 24 hours based on shares submitted vs current cdf 3 blocks close to 220 billion shares current dif 35b etc but without knowing his starting or calculation parameters its conjecture but you could tell me again about being a telco trainer  Tongue

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October 24, 2014, 12:17:41 AM
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percent calculations are all with times based on UTC so new days start at a complete different time frame then mst. or est. as was stated we dont know the exact parameters used for the simple luck calculation 54% could easily be 3 blocks found last 24 hours based on shares submitted vs current cdf 3 blocks close to 220 billion shares current dif 35b etc but without knowing his starting or calculation parameters its conjecture but you could tell me again about being a telco trainer  Tongue

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October 24, 2014, 12:18:32 AM
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percent calculations are all with times based on UTC so new days start at a complete different time frame then mst. or est. as was stated we dont know the exact parameters used for the simple luck calculation 54% could easily be 3 blocks found last 24 hours based on shares submitted vs current cdf 3 blocks close to 220 billion shares current dif 35b etc but without knowing his starting or calculation parameters its conjecture but you could tell me again about being a telco trainer  Tongue

Does it make any sense to you, IF 15 hours into a block that was found in 16.5 hours that the luck should jump up from 54% to 80 something percent then 104 percent?

You don't have to be a telephone man for that.

LOL

I'm laughing but I'm also serious...

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October 24, 2014, 12:19:31 AM
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Gosh waiting for this new equipment suxs...... sold off most all my miners going for higher density and lower power draw hence sold the cointerra's buying prisma's but nothing to check on and man things have gotten quiet and cold in my house Grin Grin Grin

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October 24, 2014, 12:21:33 AM
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I believe you are talking about the 7 day luck which may have just processed a 8-9 block day into calc after we had those horrific days of 35 hour block 1-2 blocks a day for 4 days once again we dont know what time frames or parameters he uses to pull a snapshot of luck

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October 24, 2014, 12:33:38 AM
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I believe you are talking about the 7 day luck which may have just processed a 8-9 block day into calc after we had those horrific days of 35 hour block 1-2 blocks a day for 4 days once again we dont know what time frames or parameters he uses to pull a snapshot of luck

I'll shut up then.

If you hear about something in the news.  So be it.

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October 24, 2014, 01:12:45 AM
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How is it that "1 Day Luck" was at 52% at about the 11th hour into this block and now it is at 104% at the 15th hour into this same block?

Are we finding blocks that we are not seeing [two more] that would send us to 104% for 1 Day Luck?

If someone tries to say 104% is for the last 24 hour period, they are wrong by that calculation as well.
The luck went up because the 19 hour block 326328 dropped off the 24 chart. The luck doesn't include the current block, so it's not updated in realtime. I believe it is the pool luck for the 24 hours preceding the start of the current block, but I'm not 100% sure on that.
Hence why in the previous discussion on difficulty why I said I wasn't sure with Slush. The calculation for luck as difficulty/shares is trivially easy, but it's not immediately apparent what timeframe slush looks at since it's not updated in realtime.

No, it does not make sense after looking at it more.

You said 24 hours "preceding the start of the current block."

The current block at that time was the one I high lighted in blue. We were 15 hours into it when I posted this in the forum.

Count the hours before that block by just looking at when the block was found [high lighted in green from the 19 hour block and the 7 hour 50 minute block from date 10/21/2014 to 10/22/2014.  THAT is when the block was FOUND for each of those blocks.  The 16 hour 26 minute block was found well into 20/23/2014 [almost a full 48 hours from that 19 hour block.

ALSO:  24 hours from the beginning of that block in discussion where the luck changed from 52% to 104% is highlighted in purple.

22997   2014-10-23 19:42:49   16:26:51   111496217152   101036274  0.01998294   326661   25.15691386   79 confirmations left
22996   2014-10-23 03:15:58   2:00:10   13659371794   12445010    0.02250698   326559   25.04462995   confirmed
22995   2014-10-23 01:15:48   5:08:14   34443220190   31684740    0.02213125   326547   25.13387705   confirmed
22994   2014-10-22 20:07:34   7:50:27   52866271563   48021070    0.02191315   326516   25.11536340   confirmed
22993   2014-10-22 12:17:07   9:04:42   60590855696   56001130    0.02321977   326459   25.04656126   confirmed
22992   2014-10-22 03:12:25   7:11:35   49118198933   44347412    0.02230260   326403   25.08423240   confirmed
22991   2014-10-21 20:00:50   2:36:33   17929014931   15894990    0.02178437   326341   25.17831095   confirmed
22990   2014-10-21 17:24:17   19:05:23   131276931588   117224096  0.02225403   326328   25.15150823   confirmed

Again, you said 24 hours (1 day - as in 1 Day Luck) preceding the start of the current block.  If that is the case, you simply go by WHEN the block prior to that one was found: 2014-10-23 03:15:58   2:00:10.  Make note it is the 23rd Day of October.

24 hours before that block would have fallen on the 22nd day of October for the block found 2014-10-22 03:12:25.

So, NO, it still does not make sense.

Sorry, if fishy things would not occur in math [pretty much a universal language] then those who participate would not think something fishy is going on.

People can criticize me all they want to.  I learn fast and I analyze everything.  If I ever see what I think is an error, I ask questions instead of being herded around like sheep.

That's just me.

I'm sure what I'm typing right now is being analyzed by moderators.  The moderators are the ones I'm concerned about.  They are the shepherds and we are the sheep.

Any problems with me asking questions?

You would be asking questions if you have experienced things I have experienced.

For instance.  The other night I navigated over to BTCGuild.  All of a sudden my fan in my laptop starts blowing real hard to do some serious cooling.  I'm like, that's not good.  So, I went to my activity monitor in my Mac and saw BTC Guild in Safari was using 99% of my CPU.  WHY?  I believe it was to use my laptop to hash.  

I send the owner of the guild a PM telling him about it and 10 to 15 minutes later it stops.  

Too much fishy crap going on around here.  Well, the owner of the guild is a moderator on here.  I never get a response to the PM I sent.  The CPU usage just stops and it hasn't occurred anymore.

So, what would you think if you were me?

I'm not one to be herded around like sheep.

I ask questions...
Hmm... Interesting. While your BTCGuild conspiracy theory is silly, you're right on the block. That would also agree more with my previous observations that the difficulty only seems to update after a block is found.
Something else happened in the time period you're talking about though. After block 326591 the difficulty updated. That was in the middle of that long block, so would explain the out of sequence update.

Alternately, why not just get all the data and look through it. Slush publishes all the data, so you can double check this all yourself if you want.
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October 24, 2014, 01:41:16 AM
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For instance.  The other night I navigated over to BTCGuild.  All of a sudden my fan in my laptop starts blowing real hard to do some serious cooling.  I'm like, that's not good.  So, I went to my activity monitor in my Mac and saw BTC Guild in Safari was using 99% of my CPU.  WHY?  I believe it was to use my laptop to hash.  

I send the owner of the guild a PM telling him about it and 10 to 15 minutes later it stops.  

Too much fishy crap going on around here.  Well, the owner of the guild is a moderator on here.  I never get a response to the PM I sent.  The CPU usage just stops and it hasn't occurred anymore.

Seriously??? You realize how unlikely that is (and how it sounds) and even if it was the hashing power would be zilsh....

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For instance.  The other night I navigated over to BTCGuild.  All of a sudden my fan in my laptop starts blowing real hard to do some serious cooling.  I'm like, that's not good.  So, I went to my activity monitor in my Mac and saw BTC Guild in Safari was using 99% of my CPU.  WHY?  I believe it was to use my laptop to hash.  

I send the owner of the guild a PM telling him about it and 10 to 15 minutes later it stops.  

Too much fishy crap going on around here.  Well, the owner of the guild is a moderator on here.  I never get a response to the PM I sent.  The CPU usage just stops and it hasn't occurred anymore.

Seriously??? You realize how unlikely that is (and how it sounds) and even if it was the hashing power would be zilsh....

Ooooh ooooh conspiracy theory. Wait a sec let me get the ex governor Jesse Ventura he lives that shit...

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I've officially been hazed!!!

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Hmm... Interesting. While your BTCGuild conspiracy theory is silly, you're right on the block. That would also agree more with my previous observations that the difficulty only seems to update after a block is found.
Something else happened in the time period you're talking about though. After block 326591 the difficulty updated. That was in the middle of that long block, so would explain the out of sequence update.

Alternately, why not just get all the data and look through it. Slush publishes all the data, so you can double check this all yourself if you want.

Yes, I could double check this data out for myself.  I even go to Blockchain and look at every block found on days I decide to mine a little bit on ck.'s pool.  

I probably burnt too much wood back in the day and it's made me paranoid of everything.

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If you ever need to talk with eleuthria just post to him in this link and he will normally answer:(He's legit)

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Like I said, I've sent a PM to him.  I actually sent 4 to him.

We PM'd back and fourth to one another about 4 times each about 3.5 weeks ago when I was comparing Slush to BTC Guild.  So, I figured he might get back in touch if I asked him about the CPU usage of 99%.

If you have EVERYONE's CPU on the guild that COULD be a lot of hashing power if combined.  

Just saying.

I'm done with it now since it stopped doing it.

I should have taken a picture of my Activity Monitor when it was happening to prove it to you.  My cooling fans in my MacBook Pro would wind up real fast every time I would navigate to the guild's website.  I ended up "FORCE QUITTING" it in my Activity Monitor 2 times after navigating to the site 2 times.  I then PM'd eleuthria after the 2nd time I did a Force Quit.  I PM'd eleuthria 4 times.

But like I said, I'm done with it since it has stopped.

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October 24, 2014, 04:59:18 AM
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For instance.  The other night I navigated over to BTCGuild.  All of a sudden my fan in my laptop starts blowing real hard to do some serious cooling.  I'm like, that's not good.  So, I went to my activity monitor in my Mac and saw BTC Guild in Safari was using 99% of my CPU.  WHY?  I believe it was to use my laptop to hash.  

I send the owner of the guild a PM telling him about it and 10 to 15 minutes later it stops.  

Too much fishy crap going on around here.  Well, the owner of the guild is a moderator on here.  I never get a response to the PM I sent.  The CPU usage just stops and it hasn't occurred anymore.

Seriously??? You realize how unlikely that is (and how it sounds) and even if it was the hashing power would be zilsh....

Ooooh ooooh conspiracy theory. Wait a sec let me get the ex governor Jesse Ventura he lives that shit...

JT

LOL

Yep, I've officially been hazed!!!

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