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September 17, 2014, 04:14:49 PM
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Another one seem to be stuck, this one is only ~1250 ANC
d6b868e340e9b151df4c99f72a2f4151486f8e0a74eb57c75b82c6c9a5f809bc

Thanks to K1773R for mining these transactions. I have notified cryptsy support as well of this bug.

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September 17, 2014, 05:58:49 PM
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Another one seem to be stuck, this one is only ~1250 ANC
d6b868e340e9b151df4c99f72a2f4151486f8e0a74eb57c75b82c6c9a5f809bc

Thanks to K1773R for mining these transactions. I have notified cryptsy support as well of this bug.
I also have this one, if you have another one, leave your wallet open. it will rebroadcast the unconfirmed txs from time to time Smiley

Im also happy about donations Tongue but no need, i'l do it for free. I think craptsy owe's me some coins...

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September 17, 2014, 07:17:11 PM
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Well I'm not worried, especially considering Gnosis will be releasing daily commits as he goes.  The first of those is going to be today I think.
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September 17, 2014, 07:18:56 PM
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In other news, there are actually some coins for sale on cryptsy now, maybe the trolling has brought out some sellers.  Grin
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September 17, 2014, 07:22:33 PM
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Concerning this Borrowing of others...
In science, most things are borrowed, some mixed up borrowed things might even get called innovation from time to time Smiley
Especially in math we need others and already thought out techniques to reach success and develop further.

Gnosis simply adapted the idea because it seems there a few out there, the idea was good and ... done! Now he tries to use it for another purpose, there is no problem whatsoever with this.

Of course some of us have our doubts, even I do have them : ) But hey... look in the Github on the commits page Smiley

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September 17, 2014, 07:28:41 PM
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Concerning this Borrowing of others...
In science, most things are borrowed, some mixed up borrowed things might even get called innovation from time to time Smiley
Especially in math we need others and already thought out techniques to reach success and develop further.

Gnosis simply adapted the idea because it seems there a few out there, the idea was good and ... done! Now he tries to use it for another purpose, there is no problem whatsoever with this.

Of course some of us have our doubts, even I do have them : ) But hey... look in the Github on the commits page Smiley

btcseller3c brings some valid criticisms though, as in science you need to be able to independently replicate an experiment or, in the case of math, a peer review in order to have your work accepted by the community. ANC would benefit a lot from an independent review of the RSA UFO project and, at a later date, of its Zerocoin implementation.
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September 17, 2014, 07:58:24 PM
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Imagine a tool that made horses run faster. Maybe something that when you flick a switch on the saddle it activates something that compresses the horse's nuts. A very useful invention for jockeys.

If someone comes along wanting to adapt that invention to cars you should hesitate. Not because the device could not be adapted to cars but because the person is adapting a tool rather than developing one.


This is actually fairly entertaining.

So, to carry the idea into practical terms, you are saying that engineers who use calculus to solve
problems shouldn't be trusted because they haven't created their owns mathematical tools for solving
engineering problems, right?


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September 17, 2014, 08:10:29 PM
Last edit: September 17, 2014, 09:18:21 PM by Simcom
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I was graphing the coin supply vs. time today (for fun  Grin) and noticed something odd.

I used this description in the wiki to make the graph:

Coin details
Anoncoin was originally a fork of the Litecoin source code. The creation of new coins is by the reward to miners for processing transactions into blocks that are added to the block chain, where mining is performed by proof of work using the scrypt hashing function. A total of 4.2 million coins can be mined into existence, which is 5 times less than the maximum supply of Bitcoin, and transactions are processed, on average, every 3 minutes. The current block reward is 5 ANC, and this will be halved to 2.5 on approximately January 22, 2015. The block reward distribution schedule is the following: 4.2 ANC for blocks until 42,000; 7 ANC until block 77,777; 5 ANC until block 384,377; and then halving of block rewards every 306,600 blocks (which is approximately every two years).

block   coins   block reward
1           4           4.2
42,000   176,400   4.2
77,777   426,839   7
384,377   1,959,839   5
690,977   2,726,339   2.5
997,577   3,109,589   1.25
1,304,177   3,301,214   0.625
1,610,777   3,397,027   0.3125
1,917,377   3,444,933   0.15625
2,223,977   3,468,886   0.078125
2,530,577   3,480,862   0.0390625
2,837,177   3,486,851   0.01953125
3,143,777   3,489,845   0.009765625
3,450,377   3,491,342   0.004882813
3,756,977   3,492,090   0.002441406

As you can see the max supply converges on 3.492 million not 4.2 million.  Where did I go wrong here?



The red dot is where we are currently.
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September 17, 2014, 09:52:42 PM
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As you can see the max supply converges on 3.492 million not 4.2 million.  Where did I go wrong here?

How you understand github commits if you can't do some additions?

What are github commits.  Kiss
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September 17, 2014, 10:08:42 PM
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Why is cryptsy sending invalid transactions? are they using an old client or something?

I made two transactions from cryptsy recently (2500 ANC + 2500 ANC) both unconfirmed for a long time. Invalid?

PS: I'm looking to buy 10-20k ANC, please contact me if interested in doing a deal outside of cryptsy.
Can you give me the tx? or ask craptsy to rebroadcast the tx. once i see it, il include it in a block.
No, it seems they have patched/adjusted their anoncoind to allow bigger than allowed txs with too few fee too.

This is unacceptable.

We really need a listing on Bittrex or Mintpal so we can stop trading on Cryptsy. This problem has been occurring for far too long!
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September 17, 2014, 10:19:01 PM
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 Where did I go wrong here?





Well, obviously you used a tool created by someone else for some other specific purpose.

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September 17, 2014, 10:26:41 PM
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Well, obviously you used a tool created by someone else for some other specific purpose.

huh?
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September 17, 2014, 10:28:25 PM
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Looks like monero might be about to crash and burn

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=786201.0

If true that would leave just DRK and ANC as the only two coins with real anon-tech.
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September 17, 2014, 10:38:54 PM
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Looks like monero might be about to crash and burn

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=786201.0

If true that would leave just DRK and ANC as the only two coins with real anon-tech.
its most likely a lie. Ive seen BitcoinExpress (BCX) on multiple threads. All he does is accusations and marketing shit. No proof nor good arguments.
Maybe he wants to buy some cheap monero? Who knows...

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September 17, 2014, 10:41:19 PM
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Looks like monero might be about to crash and burn

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=786201.0

If true that would leave just DRK and ANC as the only two coins with real anon-tech.
its most likely a lie. Ive seen BitcoinExpress (BCX) on multiple threads. All he does is accusations and marketing shit. No proof nor good arguments.
Maybe he wants to buy some cheap monero? Who knows...

Yea probably. I own a lot of XMR so I'm kinda hoping its untrue.
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September 17, 2014, 10:44:42 PM
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Can someone respond to this:

http://zerocash-project.org/

"Zerocash improves on an earlier protocol, Zerocoin, developed by some of the same authors, both in functionality (Zerocoin only hides a payment's origin, but not its destination or amount) and in efficiency (Zerocash transactions are less than 1KB and take less than 6ms to verify)."

What will the size of our Zerocoin transactions be?

If the transactions are large and blockchain bloat is an issue, is there a way we can develop a "lite" wallet such as used by Shadowcoin (who is also working on zk-snarks btw). Spending Zerocoins from mobile devices (without a ton of storage space) would be a great feature!

Besides RSA UFO generation (to ensure Zerocoin can be minted in a trust free manner) does Zerocoin have any other advantages over Zerocash?
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September 17, 2014, 10:55:11 PM
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Well, obviously you used a tool created by someone else for some other specific purpose.

huh?

What... don't you read btcseller2b's wisdoms?

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September 17, 2014, 11:03:53 PM
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.... TO CLARIFY

Zerocoin and Zerocash
-https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Zerocoin
-https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Zerocash
-https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg2983902#msg2983902 (scroll down a little further to read about Zerocoin)

Everybody asked about how big Transactions are going to be, no real answer has been given yet. Gnosis estimated it would cost more than 50x fees. However, why do you think this needs to be tested first?

Way too much Concerned
Most of you guys are too much concerned whether it might work or find more and more disadvantages. Why don't you invest a little and wait for a while. There is no way for you to find out much more about this tech if you are not a programmer or don't have a simple understanding of it.

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September 17, 2014, 11:12:19 PM
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.... TO CLARIFY

Zerocoin and Zerocash
-https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Zerocoin
-https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Zerocash
-https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg2983902#msg2983902 (scroll down a little further to read about Zerocoin)

Everybody asked about how big Transactions are going to be, no real answer has been given yet. Gnosis estimated it would cost more than 50x fees. However, why do you think this needs to be tested first?

Way too much Concerned
Most of you guys are too much concerned whether it might work or find more and more disadvantages. Why don't you invest a little and wait for a while. There is no way for you to find out much more about this tech if you are not a programmer or don't have a simple understanding of it.


I understand how it will all work from an intellectual standpoint.

With 50x fees I am just worried the Zerocoin solution will not be practical.... Kind of like an fancy private jet that is too much of a luxury to actually use because the fuel costs too much.

Who cares how cool Zerocoin is if the fees are too expensive to actually make practical use of it?
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September 17, 2014, 11:17:08 PM
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You could add my tor address also:
ie:
addnode=45y2lyszn5qnpt3l.onion
( i'd like to see if it works )

I run tor, i2p, and clearnet, and normally have ~50 connections, but when we've had the difficulty issues i get behind too
atm i have 7 i2p peers and about 20 ipv4

fyi, the steps i follow to get up to speed are:

1. stop the daemon

2. rm .anoncoin/peers.dat

3. edit the .anoncoin/anoncoin.conf and:
add/uncomment
  discover=1
and comment
  #noirc=1 ... if set
  #proxy= ... if set

4. this way you will connect to all the clear net nodes for the sync
ie: it'll use all the interfaces to connect like eth0

5. reverse the comment process when it's sync'd

6. always check what connections you have by:
ie: /home/anoncoin $ ./anoncoin/src/anoncoind getpeerinfo | grep addr

7. look for errors too: tail -f .anoncoin/debug.log -n 1000

hope this helps








Yes! Thanks, bro! It worked like a charm!  Grin
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