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February 08, 2018, 04:17:18 PM
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So there's a limited and decreasing amount of merits? Am I getting it right?
Why on Earth would anybody share some limited asset?

So if I want merits, I should "hunt" the users with sMerits and try to make them like me and my posts?

sMerits (the ones that you send) are worthless to you. Sending them doesn't deprive you of anything.

If you want merits the last thing you want to do is try to "make" someone like your posts. That's likely to backfire.

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February 08, 2018, 05:05:41 PM
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I've studied the "merit" matter...
so, in order to get some merit I should be very lucky!
because I should write in a thread where someone who already have merit see my post and give me merit..
That's very difficult to get merit, isn't it?
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February 08, 2018, 05:14:42 PM
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So there's a limited and decreasing amount of merits? Am I getting it right?
Why on Earth would anybody share some limited asset?

So if I want merits, I should "hunt" the users with sMerits and try to make them like me and my posts?

sMerits (the ones that you send) are worthless to you. Sending them doesn't deprive you of anything.

If you want merits the last thing you want to do is try to "make" someone like your posts. That's likely to backfire.

I like you, can I have your merit? I am joking

Theoretical question. If i would have 100 merit, and 50 smerit, then i will find someone with 100 merit and 50 smerit, we can then proceed to exchange between ourself and end up with roughly 200 merit each? You see, i will send him 50, he will now have 150 total and 75 spendable, he will send this to me, i will have 175 totall and 37,5 spendable... We could then do this again and again and the, end up with roughly 200 merit each and 0 sMerit. Am i right?

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February 08, 2018, 05:16:49 PM
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So there's a limited and decreasing amount of merits? Am I getting it right?
Why on Earth would anybody share some limited asset?

So if I want merits, I should "hunt" the users with sMerits and try to make them like me and my posts?

How are you going to make them like your posts ? If you are active here with good quality posts, you need not force anyone for merits. The major portion of merit points will come from merit sources and this is the reason that their identity is not revealed.

could you please be so kind and explain me the "merit sources" magic?
is there some kind of magic automatic procedure that reads posts and gives merit to users?
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February 08, 2018, 05:17:50 PM
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I've studied the "merit" matter...
so, in order to get some merit I should be very lucky!
because I should write in a thread where someone who already have merit see my post and give me merit..
That's very difficult to get merit, isn't it?

Yeah, they're not exactly being handed out like candy at the moment..

Am sure some people will direct me to look at some people's profiles where they have tons of merit or to the entire merit list or something, but given the size of the fora they still comes across as more of an anomaly(s) than the norm.

Am not complaining, just trying to be objective.. and have concluded that they are indeed rare and not all that easy to come by. This is so far.. and may change in the future Smiley

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February 08, 2018, 05:37:28 PM
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I predict that Merit will be the next big Crypto Coin,
seems to be huge demand for Meritcoin
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February 08, 2018, 07:14:00 PM
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I like you, can I have your merit? I am joking

Theoretical question. If i would have 100 merit, and 50 smerit, then i will find someone with 100 merit and 50 smerit, we can then proceed to exchange between ourself and end up with roughly 200 merit each? You see, i will send him 50, he will now have 150 total and 75 spendable, he will send this to me, i will have 175 totall and 37,5 spendable... We could then do this again and again and the, end up with roughly 200 merit each and 0 sMerit. Am i right?

Technically - yes. But if someone sees that - and with merit logs being public that's quite likely - you and your friend will get neg trust to go with your 200 merits.

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February 08, 2018, 07:18:07 PM
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Is there a thread which tracks merit-begging PM spam, or appropriate for that purpose?  Out of the numerous merit-related threads, I haven’t seen one where that would be on-topic; but I don’t want to create yet another, if an appropriate thread exists.

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February 08, 2018, 07:25:38 PM
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Is there a thread which tracks merit-begging PM spam, or appropriate for that purpose?  Out of the numerous merit-related threads, I haven’t seen one where that would be on-topic; but I don’t want to create yet another, if an appropriate thread exists.
Slightly off-topic: I use "Report To Admin" for PM-spam (bottom-right under each PM).

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February 08, 2018, 07:31:35 PM
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Is there a thread which tracks merit-begging PM spam, or appropriate for that purpose?  Out of the numerous merit-related threads, I haven’t seen one where that would be on-topic; but I don’t want to create yet another, if an appropriate thread exists.
Slightly off-topic: I use "Report To Admin" for PM-spam (bottom-right under each PM).

Thanks; I know, and I do intend to report to admin.  But of course, I will also red-tag; and I want a place to collect them in public, in case any DT members may deem that useful.

Since there doesn’t seem to be an appropriate topic, I will make a new one for merit-related spam by PM, e-mail (which I have also received), and other means of private contact.

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February 08, 2018, 07:38:00 PM
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As other members already stated, this is a private forum, so the owner has any right to do what he thinks is the best move to improve his property.
It doesn't make any sense to complain about any aspect we don't like; much better to be grateful for the opportunity we have to learn a lot and - eventually - to have a little extra income from campaigns.

So, not with the intention to complain, but just to offer some ideas, here are my two cents: the intention behind the merit system is very good, and I think that only spammers and shitposters don't agree. What I find inefficient - and probably more of the "complainers" agree with me - are mainly these two aspect:

1) the system is really too unbalanced in favor of old members. I understand that I have to earn my position, and I agree that only "good members" will rank up. But if I read the old posts of a lot of high rank members, I find a lot of shitpost, and I just wonder why "they" had this privilege by luck in the meanwhile I have to work hard for the same results. I agree, life is unfair, but this aspect is very disturbing.

2) the merits are too scarce. I had ONE. Now I have THREE. Really, a so little number make me anxious to give them. Even if I like a post. I think it's the same for other low rank members. The result is that may be I write a masterwork (I'd like...) but nobody has merit to give to me.
The only members with a lot of merits to give are Legendaries (another privilege..), but it seems that they prefer to reward each other, may be just to show friendship. I'm pretty sure you did some math projections, but in this way the system it's really too rigid. Of course, may be I'm wrong. We'll see.

But please accept the idea that - even if the meirt system is a good point to start - there is a lot of space for improvement.



i agree with you, it is necessary to define a mathematical rule for calculating merits. anew algorithm that solve this problem. i gona to write the algorithm of this system but
I doubted for some of the comments to write this algorithm or no. Roll Eyes
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February 08, 2018, 07:49:18 PM
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I predict that Merit will be the next big Crypto Coin,
seems to be huge demand for Meritcoin

Provide that merit sources are providing them for free (without taking any money), you will not see this being traded for huge prices. Only way to get good amount for yourself is to make more meaningful posts which is not that hard if you have the right attitude.
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February 08, 2018, 07:52:27 PM
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Was any consideration given to providing small amounts of sMerit to Newbie and Jr. Member Ranks?  In this way, those most in need of help and guidance could say thanks (give Merit) to those who assist them.  

This would also instil the concept of giving Merit to helpful posts right from the outset for the newest members of the forum.

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February 08, 2018, 08:29:06 PM
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I like the Merit system, it's really a genius idea, I found that a lot of member trying to do their best to get some M, it's really something good which will surely improve post quality; but that's not all, I also noticed that many members are sympathetic to each other, each one agrees with the others, it is also a positive point of merit.


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February 08, 2018, 09:43:34 PM
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Thank you guys! You've explained everything to me better than infographics did.

Btw, infographics are useless if you just put text on a jpeg picture. That's not an infographic.
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February 08, 2018, 09:52:49 PM
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Is there a thread which tracks merit-begging PM spam, or appropriate for that purpose?  Out of the numerous merit-related threads, I haven’t seen one where that would be on-topic; but I don’t want to create yet another, if an appropriate thread exists.
Slightly off-topic: I use "Report To Admin" for PM-spam (bottom-right under each PM).

This.
I believe sending unsolicited/spammy PMs can result in temp-ban (somebody correct me if I'm wrong), asking for undeserved merit is, or should be, another offence (similarly to asking for positive trust rating).

Reporting such PMs is probably way better than red-tagging. Or you could do both.

Obviously it all depends on the context of the PM.

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February 08, 2018, 10:56:14 PM
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I like the Merit system, it's really a genius idea, I found that a lot of member trying to do their best to get some M, it's really something good which will surely improve post quality; but that's not all, I also noticed that many members are sympathetic to each other, each one agrees with the others, it is also a positive point of merit.
True, now more of the users need to improve their post, they need to excel and grow up, because if not they can't collect any merits from the others. Otherwise users will become challenge to gain merits, but some of them were not agreed regarding smerits maybe because they cannot know the importance of ranking up. It is not about the money or bitcoin we earned. It is about how we can improve our post and how they can shared our idea to others.
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February 09, 2018, 03:25:30 AM
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I really love the new features installed on our community. But I am bit confused regarding this option.

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February 09, 2018, 06:22:56 AM
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I really love the new features installed on our community. But I am bit confused regarding this option.

If you try to elaborate on what you are confused about, chances are that the community can help enlighten you..  Wink

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February 09, 2018, 08:11:22 AM
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Was any consideration given to providing small amounts of sMerit to Newbie and Jr. Member Ranks?  In this way, those most in need of help and guidance could say thanks (give Merit) to those who assist them.  

This would also instil the concept of giving Merit to helpful posts right from the outset for the newest members of the forum.

There is downside of giving some sMerits to newbies. Suppose 1 smerit is given for a newbie account. A lot of new accounts will be registered to abuse this. For instance, someone wil make 10-15 such accounts and give merits to main profile to gain member rank. Also, they get additional sMerits in the main account which can be further abused. It is better the current way.
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