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September 18, 2018, 02:19:42 AM
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New stat: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendban

Note that only "autobans" count. ("Autobans" are not actually automatic, but are a subset of bans done using the quick-ban tools. Most mods can only do autobans.)
This gives us an interesting overview. Out of top 50 accounts, 14 are banned (10 autobans and a few likely compromised locked accounts) and 7 have negative feedback mainly related to Merit abuse/account farming.
I think it should be expected that part of the list of most generous users (when it comes to sending Merit) overlaps with a list of selfish people with hidden agendas that abuse the community.

On this moment there are 4 alt accounts of the banned ATMcoin in the list: krisnt80, Rinder, mastica, ancientcoins.

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Top senders to permabanned users, last 180 days
    100: xandry
    88: bitmaster1x
    82: gcoffie7
    81: tobeaj2mer01
    71: hdd3go
    60: xsentus
    50: nyteo
    49: gamerWOT
    49: Danglen1010
    48: loremipsum
    46: nasashi
    42: beijihu
    36: krogothmanhattan
    34: btcminer6212
    31: krisnt80
    30: goodyang
    30: holden4591
    30: hazarun
    28: bones261
    27: SyGambler
    25: krakozyabra
    25: Star_Bucks
    25: criptix
    23: zhouyc
    22: Cacaparg
    21: Rinder
    20: CoinCube
    20: mastica
    20: lowbander80
    20: KeyGenKing
    20: USScrypto
    19: chronicsky
    18: ancientcoins
    18: De Suga09
    17: ToTheMoon_XOM9IK
    16: paxmao
    16: alexrossi
    16: chimk
    15: CHRISBIN702
    15: mindrust
    15: Liza Soberano
    14: roll on
    14: Gummybear67
    13: Vit0303
    13: Zhangweihong
    13: Rhego
    13: EFS
    13: coinminter22
    13: jesselivermore
    13: Perka
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September 18, 2018, 03:46:01 AM
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To get Merit point is not easy, but what if someone has a different alt account and one of it's account become Merit source?
it is not fair or i think it can have negative impact of the system?

is there something in the system that can track the merit source? if what are they doing?

just asking Grin Grin 
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September 18, 2018, 09:26:19 AM
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 I have a question and if anybody here in this forum knew the answer then please answer me.
Im a bit confused and im sorry if i have trouble understanding this new system.
How would i know if i have "sendable merits" (smerits)?
For example i have a 100 merits because im a full member, how many sendable merits i have in a 100?
Do i already have 50 or half of 100 or i could only give 1 merit?
Please enlighten me. Thank you very much.

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September 18, 2018, 09:47:56 AM
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How would i know if i have "sendable merits" (smerits)?
You'll see it when you click +Merit above a post.

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September 18, 2018, 10:34:29 AM
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I have only one problem with this Merit system..
I understand it has to raise the overall quality of the forum and I have no problem with that.
But who decides what is a quality itself? What is useful to one may be junk to others. It is pretty subjective.
Basically if i want to fish out some Merits, i have to think how others might think or want, not what i really do Smiley
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September 18, 2018, 10:50:15 AM
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But who decides what is a quality itself? What is useful to one may be junk to others. It is pretty subjective.

How do you decide what is quality or not? How do you decide whether you like something or not? Of course it is subjective, but the idea is people will get merit for posts that have clearly had some effort put into them, and those writing exclusively mindless drivel or just claiming bounties won't get any or very little, and that's how it should be.

Basically if i want to fish out some Merits, i have to think how others might think or want, not what i really do Smiley


How about you just make posts as normal without even thinking about merit?


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September 18, 2018, 11:02:45 AM
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i have to think how others might think or want, not what i really do Smiley
If you're not thinking about how other people will interpret what you have to say, then you're not having a conversation with them, which is the whole purpose of a forum. Instead you're just talking to yourself at best, and interrupting other people's conversations at worst, and everyone else is sick of dealing with it at this point.

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September 18, 2018, 11:12:36 AM
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I have only one problem with this Merit system..
I understand it has to raise the overall quality of the forum and I have no problem with that.
But who decides what is a quality itself? What is useful to one may be junk to others. It is pretty subjective.
Basically if i want to fish out some Merits, i have to think how others might think or want, not what i really do Smiley


Haha.. Impressive post..  Grin Grin
I was wondering the same the other day, but never posted it.. but you did..

The fact is every person has a interest on a specific section of the forum, so they may frequently visit only that section of the forum daily.
Also, not every Higher Rank Member holding a Sendable Merit is going to hunt each and every Topic/Post of the forum, after-all we all are humans..

So it's not an easy task for a New Member to get his first Merit, unless their Topic or Post stands out well in the eyes of the Higher Rank Member holding a sMerit.


SUGGESTION:
☀ There should be a way where the links of Quality Topic/Post can be submitted daily.
(off-course the Newbie should know what does a Quality Post mean, instead of a Spam Post or some Copy-pasted Junk Post).

☀ A sticky topic could be created by the Admin where every Newbie is allowed to post the links of their Topic/Post which they find it as a Quality Post.

☀ His post containing the links of Topic/Post should be deleted by the Staff after 1 week. In short, the post would stay there for a week or so and then it would be deleted.

☀ To avoid spam in that Sticky Topic, there should be a limitation such that that the Newbie can submit only 1 Post per week with a maximum of 5 Links of his Topic/Post.

☀ The links posted once should not be editable later by the Member, else they will keep updating the links every 1 day to gain more Merits.

☀ All High Rank Member would screen through this Topic/Post as per their availability on the forum, if they feel it's good and worth a merit, they will send the Merit.

☀ I think, this way the Merit System would be more fair to everyone.

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September 18, 2018, 12:42:04 PM
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I understand your new merit system, but for people like me who translate ANN contents with many images it's a punch in my face. Now I have useless images I edited and translated as well as entire posts (because the content is on images).

And yeah, my posts, now that they are almost useless, will gather many merits to become alive again...
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September 18, 2018, 02:00:47 PM
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The number of members in this forum is approximately 2,38,1553, an average of 8126 postings per day. What are the percentage of those who are Merit holders? How many members are those who have a relevant opinion? I think their number is very low. In this, the image of the forum is not only wasted, but I like learning about Spaniards like Nuvi Rao. I think it's a revolution that the respected Admin Theymos has introduced. This will stop irrelevant posting. Replaces quality. Enhance the demand for quality post forums, everyone will get the right information.
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September 18, 2018, 02:05:44 PM
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I understand your new merit system, but for people like me who translate ANN contents with many images it's a punch in my face. Now I have useless images I edited and translated as well as entire posts (because the content is on images).
Buy the Cooper Member rank: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2385104

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September 18, 2018, 02:38:04 PM
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1 merit request for jr member.Thank you so much for the new system.Because of all the scammers will become a Dissolve.

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September 18, 2018, 03:40:13 PM
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If so. No matter what contribution I make, I will always be a novice if I do not have merit. And my account became useless. Because almost no one spends time giving merit to newbie. Cry Cry Cry
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September 18, 2018, 06:48:49 PM
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How would i know if i have "sendable merits" (smerits)?
You'll see it when you click +Merit above a post.

but don't worry they come and go so fast ..... its difficult to hold some



Smerits are surely MUCH more difficult to hodl as BTC  Roll Eyes  Grin

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September 18, 2018, 08:23:44 PM
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1 merit request for jr member.Thank you so much for the new system.Because of all the scammers will become a Dissolve.

Wow, today I saw that lots of account turn to newbie status.
After that, I visit the topic to see which sort of changes have been made.
it's really good to see that forum users need at least 1 merit to rank up to Junior member rank.
Thanks @Theymos for changing the rank requirements.
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September 18, 2018, 08:31:34 PM
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Present. I just wish there was 1 merit enough for me to cry for happiness.
Better be a useful for us and you find your merit!
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September 18, 2018, 09:04:59 PM
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If so. No matter what contribution I make, I will always be a novice if I do not have merit. And my account became useless. Because almost no one spends time giving merit to newbie. Cry Cry Cry

Sentences like this make me think this system is needed more than ever, and i’m pretty happy about this new 1merit step for jr membership.

I joined this forum few months ago because i wanted to contribute, after months of lurking for learning.
Most of the ppl i interact with are here to share their knowledge and learn more.
All the ppl i read complaining (crying/begging) about merit are here whishing for free easy money (as if this forum  owed something to them by birth right).... spending time ruining everybody experience with useless spam....

I repeat: I had 0 merit few time back (as a lot of users like me).... make some useful contribution to the community and merit will come

Keep crying because you want to join bounty and spam.... 1merit for jr member? Let’s make it 10

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September 18, 2018, 09:17:32 PM
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If so. No matter what contribution I make, I will always be a novice if I do not have merit. And my account became useless. Because almost no one spends time giving merit to newbie. Cry Cry Cry

Sentences like this make me think this system is needed more than ever, and i’m pretty happy about this new 1merit step for jr membership.

I joined this forum few months ago because i wanted to contribute, after months of lurking for learning.
Most of the ppl i interact with are here to share their knowledge and learn more.
All the ppl i read complaining (crying/begging) about merit are here whishing for free easy money (as if this forum  owed something to them by birth right).... spending time ruining everybody experience with useless spam....

I repeat: I had 0 merit few time back (as a lot of users like me).... make some useful contribution to the community and merit will come

Keep crying because you want to join bounty and spam.... 1merit for jr member? Let’s make it 10

Exactly.. case in point.  I see that your membership, Speculatoross, began a few days before the implementation of this merit system, so even though it might take you longer to rank up under this new system, you are providing a decent dent into earning merits along the way, and like you suggested, if your goal is to learn and participate in the contents of the threads (bitcoin and perhaps crypto), you will likely earn merits along the way based on your participation... even if you are starting as a newbie, and even if it may take a bit longer to build up a few merits and to get some upwards earning momentum going.

By the way, I would be inclined to agree that something like 3 merits to rank up to Jr. Member as an earlier poster suggested; however, we likely need to see whether 1 merit remains sufficient to weed out a large majority of the shitposting, farmed accounts, spam, shills, trolls and scammers, and I would not be opposed to increasing the Jr. Member requirements at some later date, if theymos concluded that the 1 merit requirement was not sufficiently weeding out some of the problematic post (posters). 

Of course, we have to deal with ESG, KYC & AML, but each of them are attack vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.

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Last edit: September 19, 2018, 12:56:48 AM by HappySun
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When I checked my profile yesterday, I noticed that Jr. Member was changed to Newbie. Cry
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0
I confirmed the posting of January 24, 2018 and I learned that the number of merits is related.
This evaluation was introduced January 24th. Why did you demote this September? Huh
Either way it is necessary to have a quality post. . .
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September 19, 2018, 05:38:16 AM
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When I checked my profile yesterday, I noticed that Jr. Member was changed to Newbie. Cry
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0
I confirmed the posting of January 24, 2018 and I learned that the number of merits is related.
This evaluation was introduced January 24th. Why did you demote this September? Huh
Either way it is necessary to have a quality post. . .
difficult Undecided

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I was able to return to Jr. Member right now Cheesy

I appreciate those who evaluated.

Good to see your happiness..
By the way, you should thank the below user,
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The above member gave you a merit for your post,
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