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Author Topic: Merit & new rank requirements  (Read 157810 times)
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September 27, 2018, 02:58:10 PM
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I think it would be better to have a KYC system to open a new account.Then you can not make spamming account. I think this is good comment for the site.

Never going to happen:

I'll get right on that, just as soon as hell freezes over.

The day the forum introduces KYC is the day 95% of non-bounty spammers leave.

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September 27, 2018, 07:26:08 PM
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One of the most problem why people can't get merii it his own lazyness. Don't strive reading interisting information about cryptocurency world. But create many theart : how to get merit or give me one merit please. I don't accuse this people but if you really wont to recive merit , you should'n think about it and just be usefull and friendly for another members.
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September 27, 2018, 09:33:33 PM
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I think it would be better to have a KYC system to open a new account.

Who need KYC, when you can start from video interview with forum admin and moderators to open a new account ?


One advantage of the invisibility of forum mods/administrators is that you can fit a whole hell-of-a lot of them in the same audition(casting) couch, and they don't complain about overcrowding.

Of course, we have to deal with ESG, KYC & AML, but each of them are attack vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.

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September 27, 2018, 09:52:42 PM
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i have to think how others might think or want, not what i really do Smiley
If you're not thinking about how other people will interpret what you have to say, then you're not having a conversation with them, which is the whole purpose of a forum. Instead you're just talking to yourself at best, and interrupting other people's conversations at worst, and everyone else is sick of dealing with it at this point.

Punch taken, a good one.

But still, to keep it focused, we are talking about real reasoning for giving/earning Merit vs trashtalk, fomo, fud, bounty posts that this should reduce?
Going bit derailed-Yes, people are here for different reasons, so i guess some are better than others for the community.. Taking it to deeper in 1 subject: Why bounty hunters are worse than the rest? (they do have to be active in forums with posts (contents of a post itself is mostly irrelevant. No interest in making conversation there)). You see the problem is not the hunter itself but the system that makes him post this junk. Just redirect all coin/token bounties, commercials and ico-s to somewhere deep folders where you never have to go and let them rant there Smiley
Eventually bounty creators see no reason in this business. Or just ban it.

For those who create multiple account just to spam links etc- why creating account is easier than buying milk in the store? I know it should be easy for real new user to come and take part in community but everywhere where system provides valuable info or resources, people are willing to make a bigger effort to have access to it.

We are talking here mostly about newbies and jr members who had certain interest here in the forum and lot of them are complaining about something that most higher rank members can never relate to anymore.
By now i have read a lot of posts by users who are merit sources and their explanations how they give merit and how their standards will not change etc. They all say they will read your posting history, that you have to have all quality posts... the hell.. everyone who has over 100 posts have some shit in their history. And now you can copy that 13th of february in 2018 (2017 or 2016 or whatever) post when your portfolio crashed 30% and your dog died the same day and you just felt posting something with "quality". Because of that post you get no merit whatsoever? When would that user be worthy again?
 
Foxpup, if you are concerned about the quality of conversation then I'm sure that among those 2,3 mio accounts I bet 90 % doesn't "qualify" to be worthy to have conversation with you. But people do come here to learn and grow.  And people do come here to spam, rant, do bounty hunting etc. Like iI said before, I have no problem with merit system, but with the reasoning or rules how they might be distributed.

To be cleared, I'm not talking about myself (my post history is garbage) and I have no need for merit at the moment Smiley

You are full of shit.

You could have came at the subject matter and acknowledged some of the issues of the implemented system and the changes; however, you proposal to completely revamp the forum and to take out the ability for signatures and bounty hunters goes quite contrary to the forums chosen direction.....  Part of the nonsense of your post  (and garbage as you suggest) remains that you are failing and refusing to work within the parameters that are in place and the direction in which the forum is currently going.. instead you request some less possible route that seems to just be stirring up shit rather than providing any kind of meaningful and thought through proposal.

Thank you, you have best intro to a full anal(ytical) comment
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September 27, 2018, 10:04:42 PM
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One of the most problem why people can't get merii merits it his own lazyness. Don't strive reading interisting interesting information about cryptocurency world. But create many theart : how to get merit or give me one merit please. I don't accuse this people but if you really wontwant to recivereceive merit , you should'n think about it and just be useful and friendly for another members.

Well, definitely true 'cause if you're trying to earn merits but lazy to create contents that's really a big problem. How can you reach your "Goal" if you're not trying to take the first step?

There are parts that you will think about "merits" if it's your goal because it doesn't mean you're a merit farmer, abuser, or what so ever if think about it. If you're good at posting and wanna help people that needs tutorials and information regarding important matters, welcome to the club.  Wink

Another thing is, It's not just being friendly to other members, It's about having a good discussion with others. Please have this kind of mindset here in forum and be one of the guide or path everyone to the development of our forum.

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September 27, 2018, 10:08:04 PM
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The day the forum introduces KYC is the day 95% of non-bounty spammers leave.


I would not be so sure, I can link a report made a while ago in which I wrote about an abuser with 20 accounts and kyc approved on all accounts on the spreadsheet of the bounty.
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September 27, 2018, 10:16:28 PM
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I would not be so sure, I can link a report made a while ago in which I wrote about an abuser with 20 accounts and kyc approved on all accounts on the spreadsheet of the bounty.
On 3rd world's country you can buy documents for a few dollars.

Bounty campaigns do KYC sure, but Bitcointalk as a forum doesn't. The quote I linked to is from theymos, so as I said, never going to happen.

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One of the most problem why people can't get merits it his own laziness. Don't strive reading interesting information about crypto currency world. But create many theat : how to get merit or give me one merit please. I don't accuse this people but if you really won't want to receive merit , you shouldn't think about it and just be useful and friendly for another members. 
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October 01, 2018, 01:46:56 AM
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One of the most problem why people can't get merits it his own laziness. Don't strive reading interesting information about crypto currency world. But create many theat : how to get merit or give me one merit please. I don't accuse this people but if you really won't want to receive merit , you shouldn't think about it and just be useful and friendly for another members. 
Highly appreciated your to to compose the thread, but honestly it is somewhat English-broken. I don't know how you made it, Google translate or made it yourself. For any case between these twos, you should improve your thread, in grammatical aspect, in order to make them easier to understand.

Furthermore, your above thread did not show anything new because such boring recommendation repeatedly quoted, posted in the forum since January.

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October 01, 2018, 01:10:18 PM
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One of the most problem why people can't get merits it his own laziness. Don't strive reading interesting information about crypto currency world. But create many theat : how to get merit or give me one merit please. I don't accuse this people but if you really won't want to receive merit , you shouldn't think about it and just be useful and friendly for another members.

Highly appreciated your to to compose the thread, but honestly it is somewhat English-broken. I don't know how you made it, Google translate or made it yourself. For any case between these twos, you should improve your thread, in grammatical aspect, in order to make them easier to understand.

Yours is also a bit broken ... A thread is a collection of posts, what we each write is a post and not a thread. leoneltouhidul1 probably did their best (I guess), and for what it's worth I do understand what they wrote. They probably know they have to improve their English as you probably also do, no need to advise (you) on that I guess.

Furthermore, your above thread did not show anything new because such boring recommendation repeatedly quoted, posted in the forum since January.

The same could be said about your post and maybe about mine. I just can't help replying when I see the pot calling the kettle black.

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October 01, 2018, 01:22:21 PM
Last edit: October 01, 2018, 10:16:47 PM by coinlocket$
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Second week of "new era"



Note this graph is quite wrong, I've changed the week from monday-sunday to friday-thuesday since the new file is always on friday, fixing it changing back the days, so the past week will be avaiable next friday with the new file


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October 01, 2018, 01:52:23 PM
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Second week of "new era"

[im g]https://puu.sh/BDW3o/a1174fa64b.png[/img][im g]https://puu.sh/BDW66/6a4d0d59b9.png[/img]

So as predicted, the hype was only for a short time. Settles back to around 6000. Now I can start giving merit again, things are more settled.

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October 01, 2018, 03:33:52 PM
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Second week of "new era"


Can you spend your time to collect a statistic on how many demoted Junior Members have been back to this rank last two weeks?
If you can have the statistic, it will make a lot of sense because it might explain why merit distribution rocketed last week.
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October 01, 2018, 03:47:47 PM
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If you can have the statistic, it will make a lot of sense because it might explain why merit distribution rocketed last week.

If I remember correctly till last week we got around 200.000 users accounts/multiaccounts demoted and around 2000 users ranked up again,

Last week transactions can be found here on my file
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R3dE2huMLqjvC1JpFUimRvXvktBxjD-Sgqw61S5oYhk/edit?usp=sharing

More datas on  DdmrDdmr  file here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KmBvi21XZn6Oxh8c6Vsuax6wxSAhsQWsAzDYfsYOU2E/edit#gid=0


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October 01, 2018, 04:30:39 PM
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The great part of this spike was caused by those who needed to bring back to jr their alts i'm afraid. Let's see what is happening friday, we may be up for another dive.
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October 01, 2018, 05:38:30 PM
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One of the most problem why people can't get merits it his own laziness. Don't strive reading interesting information about crypto currency world. But create many theat : how to get merit or give me one merit please. I don't accuse this people but if you really won't want to receive merit , you shouldn't think about it and just be useful and friendly for another members. 

Mate don't quote my last messages https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg46244479#msg46244479 If you have own opinion please write.
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October 01, 2018, 05:49:01 PM
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If I remember correctly till last week we got around 200.000 users accounts/multiaccounts demoted and around 2000 users ranked up again,
It is reasonable figures, which obviously explain why there were 3342 more merits distributed last week than the previous one, from 3580 to 6922.
- 2000 merits proportionally allocated to help demoted Juniors rank up
- > 1.5k merits allocated to other ranks, rather than Newbies.
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I think it would be better to have a KYC system to open a new account.Then you can not make spamming account. I think this is good comment for the site.

I would like to comment on this post in a detailed manner as follows;

First-of-all, KYC stands for Know Your Customer / Know Your Client

Are we a Customer of this Forum or a Community User of this Forum ?
(I believe we are indeed a User, not a Customer)

Next, KYC is the process of a Business / Bank etc. to verify the identity of it's Customer / Client..
Do you think BitcoinTalk.org is a Registered Business / Company over here, something like BitcoinTalk Private Limited ?

This website was created with love by the creator of this website for all users like us, so that we could interact with each other and grow-up here like a family..
It indeed succeeded as well, as this is the only best Active Forum that i have found online till date, since i have joined here..

Apart from that, the Website Owner would never have an intention to grab the personal data of the users of this website and verify them one-by-one manually and process it daily..
It's not only that it would be hurting the feelings & privacy of a user, but also it means that the Staff at BitcoinTalk are also human beings, they can't spend their entire life verifying each users over here manually everyday..
Even if i take the least count as 100 user register per day at this site, still that would be a hectic job for anyone..

The staff would rather prefer to spend their valuable time to focus on the Forum Contents & other relevant work instead of the Verification Process of all new users..

You see my point is, KYC is something not meant for a forum like this, at-least in my view..
It's indeed a bad idea to even think to deploy it, as long as privacy of a user is of a high concern..

If you have a feeling that KYC is going to reduce the spammers at this website, then it's indeed wrong..
It would rather be a Dream that would never come true..

For a spammer KYC won't be a big deal at all, he can simply grab the data of users from online websites and bypass this step easily..
Nowadays, there are many Sources/Ways to get leak data's of customers, i hope your already aware of the same..

On this forum people don't even use their Real Name to register their Account, majority users prefer to use a nickname, as that's what a forum is all about.
Over here, no-one needs to know "Who you are in real life".. we should only be concerned about "What knowledge do you have & What you can Share/Contribute/Bring to this Forum"

Your name, date of birth, family background, your monthly gross income or your religion doesn't matter over here..

Do you really think anyone would be willing to submit their ID Proof or something similar, just to get their account registered on a forum?


That being said, to decrease the Spamming, we could actually initiate some other steps other than KYC, which brings me straight to the second part of my post..

Mostly the high rank members (i.e. Legendary, Sr. Member, Hero Member) don't post anything trash over here, their post usually have some quality, that's what makes them Sr. Members of the Forum..
(I know there are few exceptions in High Rank Members who have a red mark on their profile and they do post trash sometimes, but that's just a few exceptional cases (minority) over here, we can ignore that for now.)

To target the majority, we already know that the primary cause of Spamming is usually by a Newbie or a Newly created account, they simply start to post links or junk contents of any XYZ site, for promotion or for some other Known/Unknown purpose..
(Please note that,t his doesn't count all Newbie and all Newly Created Users, there are still some good exceptional users out there)


So here it goes, to reduce this spam activity to some extent & to bring some enhancements into the forum, we should actually revise the Privileges for a Newbie as well as Newly Created Account / Brand New Account..

Off-course the newly deployed protocol of "Minimum 1 Merit to become a Jr. Member" is indeed a good one, however that won't reduce the spammers over here.. I mean it doesn't have a good impact over the Newly Registered Users as well as to some Newbie.

So according to me;
A Newly Created account should be modified with the following protocols,
1.) A newly created account cannot start a new topic for the first 30 Days or so. Let them browse through the forum, understand everything and get a good touch of it & decide if they want to continue here as per the Rules & Regulations, else simply EXIT.
2.) Newly created accounts cannot post more than 2 Times per day for the first 30 days. In short they can only post 2 times every day. I said it 2 post per day because, they will get 14 Activity per 14 days (if they stay active on the forum for 7 days at-least, which indirectly means that they will make 2 post per day).
3.) A newly created account cannot post a Link anywhere on the forum during these 30 days restriction period. A minimum of 28 Activity is must for every member to even have the authority to post a link.
(I won't mention anything about restriction of inserting image into the Topic/Post, as if posting links are already banned then it's quite natural that image can't be posted as well)
4.) A newly created account should not able able to post above a specified number of characters per post for the first 30 days, this will ensure that they don't copy-paste some trash from here and there.
5.) If a newbie violates the above rule and still post a link by using a trick by adding space to the link and posting it (For e.g. www. google . com), other members can report that post and get it removed by the Staff. Such post when moderated by the Staff should lead to a +1 warning to the Newbie/New Member, so that they don't repeat this mistake, if they still repeat it then their Account should be banned if they are reported again by any member.

The privilege of a Newbie Account should be modified with a new rule-set as follows,
1.) A Newbie User cannot post any Links on the Forum, unless he completes a minimum Activity of 28 on the Forum. This would be somewhat better to decrease the spam content at some extent because per 2 Week only 14 activity is counted, so it will take around 1 month for every newbie to post a link.
2.) A Newbie User should wait for a minimum spam of 30 days before he can start a New Topic. This is the idle time for the user to learn the flow of the forum and to make some good post than to start a topic first.
3.) A Newbie User can only start 1 Topic per day, unless he becomes a Jr. Member.
4.) A Newbie User can only post 5 times per day for the first 30 days.



The above suggestions may or may not be possible to implement, it may even take sometime as well, but this was just an idea i thought of, nothing else..  Smiley


NOTE:
No offence against any Newbie or Newly Created Accounts or anyone else. My post is not to target or to hurt the feelings of any User. I am a believer that, every user was once a Newbie, no-one was born as a Legendary Member in this Forum. With time everything changes, hence my above post is purely an idea to show a Path/Way to fight against Spammers/Scammers, if possible. I am indeed aware about the fact that there are a good amount of people under Newbie or Brand New accounts whose intentions are not to spam the forum with nonsense post. Thank you for the understanding. God bless you all.

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Hello, I've changed the graph with the explanation under it. Sorry for the drawback!


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Hello , I am unable to understand why people who have very high rank are getting merit for their reply , i am little curious.
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