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October 04, 2018, 09:44:50 AM
Last edit: October 04, 2018, 10:03:44 AM by iasenko
Merited by JayJuanGee (1)
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Here is another view of the merit history, using LoyceV's tool.
http://loycevsbasement.privatedns.org/Merit/history/1381048.html
and here is the profile link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1381048

Counting those shows that he has received 15, same as on his profile page in the forum.

The deleted message >
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3308553.msg35975922#msg35975922
Note the Topic ID >3308553

Edit> The deleted post was in a thread that got deleted. Here is the cached copy in google >


BTW, found an bug in the LoyceV's data. It shows that one other post was deleted too, which is not the case.

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October 04, 2018, 04:34:43 PM
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Hello , I am unable to understand why people who have very high rank are getting merit for their reply , i am little curious.

What is your opinion?  You believe that smerit should be spent as a charity towards lower ranking members, merely for existing? or to help lower ranked members to bounty hunt or join signature campaigns?

Also, if you believe that there should be some kind of guidance for who and how smerits should be given out, then where does that leave individual member's discretion about when and how to spend their smerits?  

Is there any value to individual member discretion over their own spendable merits?

Actually, if you read a bit more into this thread, including even the first page of this thread, if you attempt to understand the merit system and even some of the motivations for it, then you might be able to formulate your questions a bit better.  

At this point in time, your formulation of your question(s) is NOT very good and comes off as self-interested, "little informed" and seems to attempt to get answers to points that have already been made over and over in this very thread.

Hello , thank you for your answer but i  didn't understand what you meant to say.  Me i joined bitcoin talk forum only after i knew about bounty camp and there were req just to post may be 20 25 words posts in a sig camp and i did only to fulfill the requirement for sig camp. and now when again it is mandatory to get merit i start to look after the topics about merit and it seems it is complicated thing and mostly when i see the posts i saw most cases the member who have very high rank are merited by other member. my opinion is why cannot we just stop signature camp in bitcoin talk ?  is this really necessary for the growth of bitcoin ? will sig camp help investors or startups ? is this step even thinkable or doable in order to control spams for bounty tokens ?

You make little to no sense.

You want to participate in signature and bounty campaigns, but you want the forum to discontinue such practice(s).

Aren't you talking out of both sides of your mouth?

Regarding the understandability of my earlier responsive post, perhaps you should attempt to read it a few more times (and attempt to understand what I am saying therein), rather than spouting out a repetition of your earlier talking point(s) while ignoring nearly every single point that I made in my post.

You seem out of touch and unwilling to either understand the perspectives of other members or to interact with other members, which seems to be evident from your responsive (if we could call it "responsive") post to me, and even from your shitty post history.

Do you have answers to all the questions that i mentioned in my post ? I cant understand how a question that is related to growth of btc doesnot make sense in btc forum itself ?
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October 04, 2018, 05:58:54 PM
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my opinion is why cannot we just stop signature camp in bitcoin talk ?  is this really necessary for the growth of bitcoin ? will sig camp help investors or startups ? is this step even thinkable or doable in order to control spams for bounty tokens ?

Before I answer your questions, I'm gonna ask you one thing. What's your true intention of getting here? Is it the mastery of other systems of modern tech or is it just about profit?

Campaign obviously helps the promotion of the project, e.g If you're having an intellectual project with a great team but no one knows about the idea. Do you think the project will reach their goal? even the softest cap is roughly impossible. You know it's a big time opportunity then why limit the factors of reaching the success?

As long as we're gaining ideas about bitcoin, it's a healthy situation. It's not about the growth of the BTC, it's about how will you express the idea/learning and the opportunity of being here in the crypto world.

Does the merits received by the high ranks really affect you? It should be an inspiration for you to improve.

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October 04, 2018, 10:41:37 PM
Last edit: October 04, 2018, 11:00:40 PM by JayJuanGee
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There's a bug in BPIP:
Hey @Vod, is there any glitch in the merit stats?
Yes, I am hunting down a bug that will sometimes give a merit to the wrong person...  :/
Could this be the cause? Or did you see the number of Merits go down in the profile on Bitcointalk?

The BPIP bug(s) that Vod is hunting down, outlined above, seems to be referring to a different phenomenon from the situation that I described, which is whether merits are subtracted if merited posts are deleted..

It seems that your understanding (LoyceV) and mine are the same.  The merits should not be deleted, so it seems to me that the jury is still out about whether there are circumstances in which merits might be deleted (along with deleted posts) beyond extreme intervention abuse situation that seem to be exceptions and had been previously mentioned, as extreme case exceptions, by theymos.


Here is another view of the merit history, using LoyceV's tool.
http://loycevsbasement.privatedns.org/Merit/history/1381048.html
and here is the profile link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1381048

Counting those shows that he has received 15, same as on his profile page in the forum.

The deleted message >
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3308553.msg35975922#msg35975922
Note the Topic ID >3308553

Edit> The deleted post was in a thread that got deleted. Here is the cached copy in google >


BTW, found an bug in the LoyceV's data. It shows that one other post was deleted too, which is not the case.

This iasenko investigation seems to explain the situation - while simultaneously pointing out unresolved bugs of a different nature from the original question.

Of course, we have to deal with ESG, KYC & AML, but each of them are attack vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.

Put BTC here: 35EVP8EePt8dyvKHaB7bXaRmKLm22YgRCA

How much alt coin diversification is necessary? if you are investing in Bitcoin, then perhaps 0%?
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October 04, 2018, 10:48:13 PM
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You can see it listed in the total merits received here (as 16), but the profile only has 15 merits credit because it appears that the merit of the deleted post was not counted towards current total of merits received.

https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=ThePunisher49X
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The second entrance on the Sent detail (7/24/2018 12:09:54 AM) seems to be wrong since, if you follow the link, it points to a post merited by you but to @infofront on a different date/time.
My account has been off 1 merit for some time now, so there may be a few minor bugs.

I see that now that I click on the link.  By the BPIP summary, I had assumed that I had given a merit to ThePunisher49x, but that particular BPIP link does not provide the actual evidence of the actual post that I would have merited ThePunisher49x.  So perhaps I had never merited that particular user?

It could be helpful if the forum were to provide a merit history that goes back more than 120 days in order that we might be able to corroborate that kind of information, if we think it is a relevant factor that we are researching into.

Of course, we have to deal with ESG, KYC & AML, but each of them are attack vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.

Put BTC here: 35EVP8EePt8dyvKHaB7bXaRmKLm22YgRCA

How much alt coin diversification is necessary? if you are investing in Bitcoin, then perhaps 0%?
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October 04, 2018, 11:05:49 PM
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Hello , I am unable to understand why people who have very high rank are getting merit for their reply , i am little curious.

What is your opinion?  You believe that smerit should be spent as a charity towards lower ranking members, merely for existing? or to help lower ranked members to bounty hunt or join signature campaigns?

Also, if you believe that there should be some kind of guidance for who and how smerits should be given out, then where does that leave individual member's discretion about when and how to spend their smerits?  

Is there any value to individual member discretion over their own spendable merits?

Actually, if you read a bit more into this thread, including even the first page of this thread, if you attempt to understand the merit system and even some of the motivations for it, then you might be able to formulate your questions a bit better.  

At this point in time, your formulation of your question(s) is NOT very good and comes off as self-interested, "little informed" and seems to attempt to get answers to points that have already been made over and over in this very thread.

Hello , thank you for your answer but i  didn't understand what you meant to say.  Me i joined bitcoin talk forum only after i knew about bounty camp and there were req just to post may be 20 25 words posts in a sig camp and i did only to fulfill the requirement for sig camp. and now when again it is mandatory to get merit i start to look after the topics about merit and it seems it is complicated thing and mostly when i see the posts i saw most cases the member who have very high rank are merited by other member. my opinion is why cannot we just stop signature camp in bitcoin talk ?  is this really necessary for the growth of bitcoin ? will sig camp help investors or startups ? is this step even thinkable or doable in order to control spams for bounty tokens ?

You make little to no sense.

You want to participate in signature and bounty campaigns, but you want the forum to discontinue such practice(s).

Aren't you talking out of both sides of your mouth?

Regarding the understandability of my earlier responsive post, perhaps you should attempt to read it a few more times (and attempt to understand what I am saying therein), rather than spouting out a repetition of your earlier talking point(s) while ignoring nearly every single point that I made in my post.

You seem out of touch and unwilling to either understand the perspectives of other members or to interact with other members, which seems to be evident from your responsive (if we could call it "responsive") post to me, and even from your shitty post history.

Do you have answers to all the questions that i mentioned in my post ? I cant understand how a question that is related to growth of btc doesnot make sense in btc forum itself ?

Who gives a ratt's ass about your questions?  


By the way, finaleshot2016 has already provided you more than enough of a response to your stupidity and lack of attempt at thinking about the matter.

Largely, you already have proven yourself to be a disingenuous shit stirrer who fails and refuses to appreciate or recognize the past practice of the forum or its value  - and that remains discretionary and historical, and you don't just make or suggest major discretionary changes without first appreciating the dynamics of the practice that you are criticizing and whining to change.  

Perhaps attempting to work within the system first and then attempting to make meaningful suggestions from that striving for knowledge and perspective rather than coming in as a newbie proposing some kind of radical revolution and acting as if you are providing innovative insight, when you are not.

Of course, we have to deal with ESG, KYC & AML, but each of them are attack vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.

Put BTC here: 35EVP8EePt8dyvKHaB7bXaRmKLm22YgRCA

How much alt coin diversification is necessary? if you are investing in Bitcoin, then perhaps 0%?
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October 05, 2018, 06:51:14 AM
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So will the useable smerit get destroy every month if we don't use them.
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October 05, 2018, 07:12:31 AM
Merited by LoyceV (1)
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So will the useable smerit get destroy every month if we don't use them.

smerits do not get destroyed (or decay) for regular members unless the member is a merit source member. 

Currently, there are only 120 merit source members.  See this link:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

Merit source members have to spend their source smerits every 30 days in order to regenerate more source smerits.  If they do not spend their source smerits within 30days, then the source merits will not regenerate until 30 days after they spend their smerits.   

Of course, we have to deal with ESG, KYC & AML, but each of them are attack vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.

Put BTC here: 35EVP8EePt8dyvKHaB7bXaRmKLm22YgRCA

How much alt coin diversification is necessary? if you are investing in Bitcoin, then perhaps 0%?
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October 05, 2018, 08:00:15 AM
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It could be helpful if the forum were to provide a merit history that goes back more than 120 days in order that we might be able to corroborate that kind of information, if we think it is a relevant factor that we are researching into.
It would be helpful indeed, but theymos decided against it. I guess it's meant to prevent very large data dumps in the future.
Several users (including me) keep track of the full Merit history.

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October 05, 2018, 08:24:24 AM
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It could be helpful if the forum were to provide a merit history that goes back more than 120 days in order that we might be able to corroborate that kind of information, if we think it is a relevant factor that we are researching into.
It would be helpful indeed, but theymos decided against it. I guess it's meant to prevent very large data dumps in the future.
Several users (including me) keep track of the full Merit history.

There is at least one system that does that, I'm quoting the original post.
I remember I had found another site, with a more use-friendly UI but I couldn't find it in my bookmarks, sorry!

I was in doubt: should this be in Meta or Reputation?

The forum only shows a Merit summary for the past 120 days. I've created the full history (up to theymos' last data dump, which updates on Friday) for all users. Merit abuse hunters may like this.

Update (22-6-2018):
Visit http://loycevsbasement.privatedns.org/Merit/history/459836.html for my full history. Change the userID to any other user that has either received or sent merit. Each user mentioned on the link has a link to his own history, so you can quickly "walk around".

Code:
http://loycevsbasement.privatedns.org/Merit/history/userID.html
I'll do weekly updates for the users that received merit that week.

Instead of manually entering the link, you can also find them here:
theymos' data (human readable format, including usernames and post titles) (currently 35 MB)
Usernames to go with theymos' data (currently 6 MB)


Update (29-6-2018):
I've added graphs to each user's Merit history. These are mine:
Merit sent by LoyceV:
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Merit received by LoyceV:
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Each column width is 5 days (10 pixels). "Days" start the second the first Merit was transfered, and count exactly 5*3600*24 seconds after that. It has nothing to do with calendar days in any time zone
The maximum is 100 Merit per column (2 pixels per Merit). If more than 100 Merit was transfered in a 5 day period, the top of the column gets darker.
It still needs something on the axes.




(the rest of this post is outdated)
Just use this format to post, and I'll post that user's full merit transaction history ASAP:
Code:
BitcointalkUserID:NUMBER
Replace "number" by the userID. I used to have my own userID as an example, but Piggy's quote was picked up by my scraper.
Note: output data gets quite large, so only one userID per request please.
Anyone not following the correct format will be ignored!
My scraper will process each post only once. Editing will be ignored.


(I'm hoping to automate posting soon)
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October 05, 2018, 08:40:29 AM
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There is at least one system that does that, I'm quoting the original post.
I remember I had found another site, with a more use-friendly UI but I couldn't find it in my bookmarks, sorry!
Are you talking about Vod's BPIP project? Yes, it's quite interesting and useful. All logs are there of merited post.

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October 05, 2018, 09:15:39 AM
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There is at least one system that does that, I'm quoting the original post.
I remember I had found another site, with a more use-friendly UI but I couldn't find it in my bookmarks, sorry!
Are you talking about Vod's BPIP project? Yes, it's quite interesting and useful. All logs are there of merited post.
Yep! That's the one! Thanks a lot! Cheesy
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October 05, 2018, 10:16:11 PM
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I believe this is one of the best post have ever made on this forum but no one has really given any merit so far and it's really not encouraging to other users, I believe I should be getting like 50merit on this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5044423.msg46540318#msg46540318
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October 05, 2018, 10:40:58 PM
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I believe this is one of the best post have ever made on this forum but no one has really given any merit so far and it's really not encouraging to other users, I believe I should be getting like 50merit on this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5044423.msg46540318#msg46540318

What a load of horseshit. Oh my this generic, dribble hasn't received any merit in 9 hours oh my... Wish I had 50 to throw away before giving that even 1.

I probably wouldn't have tore it down so much if you weren't being a sniveling merit whiner. That has been discussed numerous times on the forum; hope you didn't really believe that was original in any sense. Try searching a little more.

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October 06, 2018, 06:44:52 AM
Last edit: October 06, 2018, 08:50:54 AM by Speculatoross
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I believe this is one of the best post have ever made on this forum but no one has really given any merit so far and it's really not encouraging to other users, I believe I should be getting like 50merit on this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5044423.msg46540318#msg46540318

So lucky you got (bought? from your alts?) at least 1 merit in this bounty spam bs
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025436.msg45742789#msg45742789

At least you can now wear signature and do more bounty!

https://youtu.be/LH-i8IvYIcg


(Try have a look at my sig.... i believe those are 3d worth some merits, cause are useful for the community providing informations on this crypto world. Matter of fact, i never complained if they got “fewer merit than expected”, cause i did those for spreading knowledge, not to earn any money)

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October 06, 2018, 07:40:28 AM
Last edit: October 06, 2018, 08:00:11 AM by k0er
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So lucky you got (bought? from your alts?) at least 1 merit in this bounty spam bs
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025436.msg45742789#msg45742789
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Your example is "classic report"  Lips sealed. If you dont break the mouse wheel flipping through the report, it isnt worthy of merit. Something like this, but even more.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4456375.msg46563212#msg46563212
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3835338.msg46563868#msg46563868

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October 06, 2018, 10:23:29 AM
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I believe this is one of the best post have ever made on this forum but no one has really given any merit so far and it's really not encouraging to other users, I believe I should be getting like 50merit on this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5044423.msg46540318#msg46540318
Then you still don't grasp what merit is all about, nor does the referenced post author understand how to use the search function. There is already a 49 page long thread on the topic: What happens to your Bitcoin when you Die? .

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October 06, 2018, 10:29:51 AM
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Then you still don't grasp what merit is all about, nor does the referenced post author understand how to use the search function.

The referenced post author is himself. He is begging for merit. I just can't decide if he has delusions of grandeur and genuinely believes that post is the "best post ever made on the forum", or if he is so used to only being in threads with bounty reports and one line shitposts that a post with 4 whole lines to it is genuinely outstanding to him.

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October 06, 2018, 03:39:09 PM
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Huge drop! Seems abuers already has ranks up their alts Cool



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October 06, 2018, 03:44:21 PM
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That, alongside the possibility that the recently added merit sources are likely modest in terms of allowance, and may have emptied their pockets during the first week or two after been added. Well see if this allowance increases overtime, as I’ve read has happened to some Merit Sources in the past.

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