T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion

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Some cricketers have started practicing in green zones with full protection and social distancing. Film and TV shoots also are going to start while they said no viewers will be allowed in stadiums. Will they still want to organize IPL? When old TV shows are getting such a high TRP, I don't think it's a bad idea to telecast IPL on TV only without live audience after 3-4 months. They would still earn.

I just had a look at the virus stats and looking at that there is no way the IPL will be conducted as expected as the number of patients are increasing at an alarming pace and will the government then proceeds to allow everything to continue as usual is doubtful. I have seen news footage about people walking huge distances avoiding the social distancing norms when there was a complete lock down and if they allow leniency when the situation is much worse then there is no way they could control the second biggest population in the world to be the epicenter of the virus.

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[JSRAW]

Agreed, I am sure even BCCI is in no mood to explore that road.

Having said that if i look at the history then i see a kerry packer example and he was just one guy, he was about to broke the chains. By going this standard if BCCI gets into corner completely then we can only imagine how much damage they can do to the world cricket considering majority of revenue comes from the India, All they have to do is contact any cricket board directly with bilateral series and once in a year offer double amount of money to foreign players for IPL, which BCCI can afford to do easily.

The question is not whether the BCCI can afford that. The real question is whether the players from other countries would be willing to turn against their own national boards. Earlier, the ECB and CA were offering unconditional support to the BCCI. But their stance has changed recently, and they adopted an anti-BCCI position during the recent administrative changes. So I don't think that any of the boards would side with the BCCI. And I don't expect many defections from the players. In countries such as Australia, the players always put national duty over money. If such a situation arise, then I don't think that BCCI will find too many takers for their offer, outside countries such as West Indies and Pakistan.

I feel that you are underestimating BCCI here. As far as i observed the overall cricket and diplomacy of BCCI throughout the years, I can say this responsibly and with humility that they get their shit together very quickly when any crisis knocks at their door. i can see that many foreign players from Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, South Africa, New Zealand (including Windies & Pakistan) even from Australia wouldn't mind joining any local league.

[Vishnu.Reang]

I feel that you are underestimating BCCI here. As far as i observed the overall cricket and diplomacy of BCCI throughout the years, I can say this responsibly and with humility that they get their shit together very quickly when any crisis knocks at their door. i can see that many foreign players from Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, South Africa, New Zealand (including Windies & Pakistan) even from Australia wouldn't mind joining any local league.

Are you saying that players from teams such as Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, South Africa, New Zealand, West Indies and Pakistan would be willing to terminate their national contracts and play in the IPL, even if their own national boards reject the proposal? I really doubt that. A handful of players may chose IPL over national duty. But the vast majority would chose the latter. And I am pretty much sure that not a single player from Australia would play in the IPL, if the CA asks them not to. 

[JSRAW]

I feel that you are underestimating BCCI here. As far as i observed the overall cricket and diplomacy of BCCI throughout the years, I can say this responsibly and with humility that they get their shit together very quickly when any crisis knocks at their door. i can see that many foreign players from Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, South Africa, New Zealand (including Windies & Pakistan) even from Australia wouldn't mind joining any local league.

Are you saying that players from teams such as Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, South Africa, New Zealand, West Indies and Pakistan would be willing to terminate their national contracts and play in the IPL, even if their own national boards reject the proposal? I really doubt that. A handful of players may chose IPL over national duty. But the vast majority would chose the latter. And I am pretty much sure that not a single player from Australia would play in the IPL, if the CA asks them not to. 

Nope, All i am saying is if BCCI put their foot down then ICC can't fulfill every cricket boards demand as far as finance is concern, BCCI produce more than 75% revenue for ICC and every cricket board earns significant amount of money from the BCCI, when Indian cricket team visits them. So best of luck for any ICC tournament.

On top of that i am sure majority of International cricketers can manage 2-3 months for IPL or any other Indian league, if they are paid handsomely. They don't even need to cancel their national contracts for that, that's where diplomacy comes handy with the individual boards. Unless ICC strictly notifies that NO_Indian_League_At_Any_Cost. Still some will join.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Nope, All i am saying is if BCCI put their foot down then ICC can't fulfill every cricket boards demand as far as finance is concern, BCCI produce more than 75% revenue for ICC and every cricket board earns significant amount of money from the BCCI, when Indian cricket team visits them. So best of luck for any ICC tournament.

On top of that i am sure majority of International cricketers can manage 2-3 months for IPL or any other Indian league, if they are paid handsomely. They don't even need to cancel their national contracts for that, that's where diplomacy comes handy with the individual boards. Unless ICC strictly notifies that NO_Indian_League_At_Any_Cost. Still some will join.

As I said earlier, I am not under-estimating the revenue share of India. I think that it is around 60% of the global revenues. But then, BCCI should also not expect other boards to remain quiet, if they take such one-sided measures. There will be backlash, like the one happened a few years ago when the Pig-3 got destroyed by the combined bargaining power of the other boards.

I am just saying that confrontation is not going to benefit anyone, and none of the sides are willing to take that route. Status quo would remain in the foreseeable future.

[ene1980]

Nope, All i am saying is if BCCI put their foot down then ICC can't fulfill every cricket boards demand as far as finance is concern, BCCI produce more than 75% revenue for ICC and every cricket board earns significant amount of money from the BCCI, when Indian cricket team visits them. So best of luck for any ICC tournament.

The ICC and BCCI have their mutual understanding and most of the time the head of ICC will be an Indian and right now it is under Shashank Manohar as per the ICC website. So i do not see any dispute coming between the two and they need each others support to run the show, if ICC put any restrictions then it will be hard for BCCI to carry out any tournaments either.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Nope, All i am saying is if BCCI put their foot down then ICC can't fulfill every cricket boards demand as far as finance is concern, BCCI produce more than 75% revenue for ICC and every cricket board earns significant amount of money from the BCCI, when Indian cricket team visits them. So best of luck for any ICC tournament.

The ICC and BCCI have their mutual understanding and most of the time the head of ICC will be an Indian and right now it is under Shashank Manohar as per the ICC website. So i do not see any dispute coming between the two and they need each others support to run the show, if ICC put any restrictions then it will be hard for BCCI to carry out any tournaments either.

That doesn't make any difference. This may be surprising to you, but Shashank Manohar was the guy who almost singlehandedly took down the pig 3 (N Srinivasan, Giles Clarke and Wally Edwards) and implemented a more even revenue sharing model. Also, he was the one who changed the voting system, to give more representation to the new test sides (Ireland and Afghanistan) and the associates.

Even within Indian ICC officials, you may find a lot of differences. For example, people like Jagmohan Dalmiya and Shashank Manohar put in a lot of effort, to globalize the game of cricket. On the other hand, others such as Sharad Pawar and N Srinivasan tried to roll back these globalization attempts.

[JSRAW]

Nope, All i am saying is if BCCI put their foot down then ICC can't fulfill every cricket boards demand as far as finance is concern, BCCI produce more than 75% revenue for ICC and every cricket board earns significant amount of money from the BCCI, when Indian cricket team visits them. So best of luck for any ICC tournament.

On top of that i am sure majority of International cricketers can manage 2-3 months for IPL or any other Indian league, if they are paid handsomely. They don't even need to cancel their national contracts for that, that's where diplomacy comes handy with the individual boards. Unless ICC strictly notifies that NO_Indian_League_At_Any_Cost. Still some will join.

As I said earlier, I am not under-estimating the revenue share of India. I think that it is around 60% of the global revenues. But then, BCCI should also not expect other boards to remain quiet, if they take such one-sided measures. There will be backlash, like the one happened a few years ago when the Pig-3 got destroyed by the combined bargaining power of the other boards.

I am just saying that confrontation is not going to benefit anyone, and none of the sides are willing to take that route. Status quo would remain in the foreseeable future.

Last time i checked it was around 70ish+75%

Ofcourse there will be backlash, but once BCCI out from the ICC then this backlash doesn't hold any power or significance. For quite sometime ICC trying to provoke or squeeze BCCI in various front.
- Total share cut (It was necessary)
- Demanding stakes in IPL (BCCI had to literally say to them "FCUK YOU"
- Demanding Tax exemption in India ( 2 year old drama and still going on)
- Preparing the draft for ICC tournament every year (Which hurts BCCI financial model including other cricket boards bilateral interest)

Question is how long, at some point BCCI going to snap and might say enough is enough.

Edit : Its interesting hypothetical scenario, if its happens.

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So i do not see any dispute coming between the two and they need each others support to run the show

You are dead wrong bro  

[ene1980]

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That doesn't make any difference. This may be surprising to you, but Shashank Manohar was the guy who almost singlehandedly took down the pig 3 (N Srinivasan, Giles Clarke and Wally Edwards) and implemented a more even revenue sharing model. Also, he was the one who changed the voting system, to give more representation to the new test sides (Ireland and Afghanistan) and the associates.

Even within Indian ICC officials, you may find a lot of differences. For example, people like Jagmohan Dalmiya and Shashank Manohar put in a lot of effort, to globalize the game of cricket. On the other hand, others such as Sharad Pawar and N Srinivasan tried to roll back these globalization attempts.

These inner politics are well beyond my scope of cricket understanding , not heard about these representatives, just got the above information from the ICC website and if i start searching about the history of those i will fall asleep  , if it is a fair system irrespective of who is controlling BCCI and ICC there will be no complaints from other boards.  

You are dead wrong bro  

The website claimed that the CEO and Chairperson of the ICC are Indian original and my thought was if the main body has Indian representatives will it go against the BCCI interests .

[pakhitheboss]

There is a good chance that BCCI will be able to convince ICC to postponed T20 World Cup to 2022, which means BCCI  will be able to conduct IPL in the month of October.

Sad news for many of us here and all cricket fans globally as we now have to wait two years to watch the T20 Cricket World Cup.

Source - https://m.hindustantimes.com/cricket/icc-board-meeting-world-t20-to-be-postponed-to-2022-october-window-for-ipl-report/story-4Bvr9K1FWJ9HG9HbvqnpGO_amp.html

[JSRAW]

You are dead wrong bro  

The website claimed that the CEO and Chairperson of the ICC are Indian original and my thought was if the main body has Indian representatives will it go against the BCCI interests .

If i am being honest then i see this as a "Select at least one Brown guy in the management for balance " that's it  hehe

Vishnu already mentioned about S.Manohar. These days Kumar Sangakkara  name popping here & there so who knows if he gets the hotseat.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Vishnu already mentioned about S.Manohar. These days Kumar Sangakkara  name popping here & there so who knows if he gets the hotseat.

Kumar Sangakkara is known as a gentleman and I would support him over the other candidates (many of whom happen to be businessmen with no relation to cricket). Sharad Pawar did a lot of damage to the sport of cricket, when he became the ICC president in 2010. There was zero positive contribution from his side and there was corruption everywhere. Shashank Manohar is a hundred times better than him, but still I would prefer someone with cricketing experience like Sangakkara.

[JSRAW]

Vishnu already mentioned about S.Manohar. These days Kumar Sangakkara  name popping here & there so who knows if he gets the hotseat.

Kumar Sangakkara is known as a gentleman and I would support him over the other candidates (many of whom happen to be businessmen with no relation to cricket). Sharad Pawar did a lot of damage to the sport of cricket, when he became the ICC president in 2010. There was zero positive contribution from his side and there was corruption everywhere. Shashank Manohar is a hundred times better than him, but still I would prefer someone with cricketing experience like Sangakkara.

This is the latest news in upcoming ICC's recruitment.

TLDR : Front runner is Colin Graves (Current ECB chairman), Sourav Ganguly name also popping up after South African management recommended his name. (personal opinion : BCCI need Ganguly more  )

ICC confirms chairman Shashank Manohar won't seek third term

[ene1980]

but still I would prefer someone with cricketing experience like Sangakkara.

To manage a position you need to have management skills and it might the reason why people with business credentials came into power, not sure about the management skills of Kumar Sangakkara but if a former players with management skills can take over the position then he can make changes which would aide cricket rather than having pure businessman in those positions.

If i am being honest then i see this as a "Select at least one Brown guy in the management for balance " that's it  hehe

Indian people are already holding those positions  . Can try someone from Australia England South Africa or even from Sri Lanka or Pakistan .

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but still I would prefer someone with cricketing experience like Sangakkara.

To manage a position you need to have management skills and it might the reason why people with business credentials came into power, not sure about the management skills of Kumar Sangakkara but if a former players with management skills can take over the position then he can make changes which would aide cricket rather than having pure businessman in those positions.

I am very positive about Kumar SangaKara if he is coming then surely its going to be very good for cricket as he is one of best persons in current time as Ganguly and he can bring some very good and positive changes for spirit of game on other hand as @JSRAW already mention BCCI more need Ganguly so he can stay here for some more time and then can enjoy this hot-seat as well in future.

[Vishnu.Reang]

I am very positive about Kumar SangaKara if he is coming then surely its going to be very good for cricket as he is one of best persons in current time as Ganguly and he can bring some very good and positive changes for spirit of game on other hand as @JSRAW already mention BCCI more need Ganguly so he can stay here for some more time and then can enjoy this hot-seat as well in future.

I have a feeling that Sourav Ganguly as the president of the Board of Control for Cricket in India, and Kumar Sangakkara as the president of the ICC can together do wonders to the sport of cricket. There is a good understanding between these two guys, and as far as I know they are good friends. And both of them are very ethical and care more about the sport than money.

On the other hand, if the oldie Colin Graves becomes the ICC president, then it will be a disaster for cricket. He is one of those guys, who cares only about money. He'll try to bring back the Pig 3 formula, which benefits no one.

[vella85]

There is a good chance that BCCI will be able to convince ICC to postponed T20 World Cup to 2022, which means BCCI  will be able to conduct IPL in the month of October.

Sad news for many of us here and all cricket fans globally as we now have to wait two years to watch the T20 Cricket World Cup.

Source - https://m.hindustantimes.com/cricket/icc-board-meeting-world-t20-to-be-postponed-to-2022-october-window-for-ipl-report/story-4Bvr9K1FWJ9HG9HbvqnpGO_amp.html

I really don't see how this can happen with the cases increasing in India daily while in Australia the cases remain under control for now. It will be sad if we have to wait this long just to see the T20 world cup but as I said before in here, it all comes down to money and power and the BCCI seem to have both.

[pakhitheboss]

Vishnu already mentioned about S.Manohar. These days Kumar Sangakkara  name popping here & there so who knows if he gets the hotseat.

Kumar Sangakkara is known as a gentleman and I would support him over the other candidates (many of whom happen to be businessmen with no relation to cricket). Sharad Pawar did a lot of damage to the sport of cricket, when he became the ICC president in 2010. There was zero positive contribution from his side and there was corruption everywhere. Shashank Manohar is a hundred times better than him, but still I would prefer someone with cricketing experience like Sangakkara.

This is the latest news in upcoming ICC's recruitment.

TLDR : Front runner is Colin Graves (Current ECB chairman), Sourav Ganguly name also popping up after South African management recommended his name. (personal opinion : BCCI need Ganguly more  )

ICC confirms chairman Shashank Manohar won't seek third term

That is true BCCI needs Gangully more than ICC. He can only bring a lot of positive changes to Indian cricket. Almost every member in BCCI is affiliated to a political party. Politics has ruined the board for a long time and players like Ganguly and others can make a difference to the existing structure.

[ene1980]

I really don't see how this can happen with the cases increasing in India daily while in Australia the cases remain under control for now. It will be sad if we have to wait this long just to see the T20 world cup but as I said before in here, it all comes down to money and power and the BCCI seem to have both.

What does money power to do in a situation like this, since the T20 world cup is hosted by Australia and the situation there is better and hence there would not be any resistance in going with the series. If they wanted to conduct the IPL then there is no way they can conduct with the situation is not favorable and money power cannot do everything during a pandemic.

[vella85]

I really don't see how this can happen with the cases increasing in India daily while in Australia the cases remain under control for now. It will be sad if we have to wait this long just to see the T20 world cup but as I said before in here, it all comes down to money and power and the BCCI seem to have both.

What does money power to do in a situation like this, since the T20 world cup is hosted by Australia and the situation there is better and hence there would not be any resistance in going with the series. If they wanted to conduct the IPL then there is no way they can conduct with the situation is not favorable and money power cannot do everything during a pandemic.

Its always about the money my friend no matter what, that is why the world is starting to open up even though the cases are still very high daily because they need to get the economy going again and the same is for sports. We shall see what happens in the coming weeks but I do hope that the T20 world cup goes ahead as planned and not postponed for a year.