2022–23 PBA Commissioner's Cup

[LogitechMouse]

The long wait for the fans will now happen this week as Bay Area Dragons will now face a considered top team in the league which is Brgy. Ginebra.

Their tip-off will happen on Sunday, at 6:45 PM, PH Time, and I'm expecting a huge crowd for this game.

They should have set it on Mall of Asia Arena instead of PhilSports Arena. A good game to watch live.

It's Sunday so I guess I expect more audiences to watch the game.
Now with regards to "huge crowd" thing-y, I don't think that it's the same as what we are thinking. When we watch Ginebra games, most of the times, there are a huge crowd, and the arena is almost full right? I don't expect it to happen again.

I'm not a pessimistic and I'm watching PBA as well but with the recent drama happened to PBA and these unbalanced trades, there might be some PBA fans out there who don't watch it anymore because of how the league is doing right now. Some might prefer watching other leagues. I watch the Meralco-Ginebra last Sunday and whenever I watch PBA games, I always look at the crowd and it's not the same as it was 1-2 years ago before the pandemic. Well, this is only my observation, and I will be happy if the Ginebra Fans will prove me wrong.

I guess there are only a few crowds who watch the game, also, the live streaming viewers are very small, it did not even reach 100k if I'm not mistaken. Maybe because it's not a playoffs yet, fans will be more interested in the playoffs than in the regular games.

That might be another reason as well.
People aren't interested in watching those elimination games because of lack of competitiveness and at least in the playoffs, there is more competitiveness because the top teams are the ones who are playing on that level.

Nevertheless, I still believe that the drama happened in the last few weeks is the reason why some people aren't interested in watching it anymore. Only the solid fans of each team are the ones who are watching and those who just want to watch because they want to be entertained prefer watching other leagues or other sports. Anyway, playoffs might be different like you said but I just hope that the drama that happened will not happened again.

[Hypnosis00]

Is there a change of schedule?

SMB now is playing against Bossing, I thought they will be playing the Bay Area Dragons...
Correct me if I'm wrong, maybe I was not able to read the schedules clearly.

[Natalim]

Is there a change of schedule?

SMB now is playing against Bossing, I thought they will be playing the Bay Area Dragons...
Correct me if I'm wrong, maybe I was not able to read the schedules clearly.

I don't know mate, but all I know is that Blackwater has upset the SMB in their first game. Blackwater had a huge run in the 4th quarter, Amer and Ayunayun were the heroes on that game, congrats to them, I think SMB cannot beat the Bay Area Dragons with their performance.

[bisdak40]

Is there a change of schedule?

SMB now is playing against Bossing, I thought they will be playing the Bay Area Dragons...
Correct me if I'm wrong, maybe I was not able to read the schedules clearly.

Yes, the schedule is correct, SMB Beermen vs Blackwater Bossing in the first game while it is Magnolia vs TNT in the second game.

What an upset in the first game, i just can't remember what are the odds ML on that game but i'm sure it's 3.xx. Bossing's import had a monster game registering a triple double with 20 points, 18 rebounds and 10 assists. Maybe the lack of acquaintance to SMB's new import also contributed to the lose of SMB but nevertheless it's a good win for Blackwater.

[Fredomago]

The team has a wide pool of players but whoever is picking the roster should pick what suits each other and what the team needs, not just all about double dribble.  

If only there will be a time, as in long time, that our pools can practice together, that would be nice.

There are playing in PBA, there are playing in foreign leagues, there are playing anywhere, that's one of the big reasons why even we have a great pool talents, still not enough to formed a 100% chemistry.

Imagine, with a short timeframe, we can see already a 60-70% chemistry on our players, what's more if their practice together is really long, we might even see an over 100% perfect chemistry.

Although in reality that will not really happened as every players have different activities

Yeah, a longer practice is better and the good news is that they've made a practice yesterday. (https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1185326)
It's good to see how this discussion grows and we've seen that the national team is having their practice with many players on the side.
Those that want to look at the roster, can check out that article as the names of the participants is there. True to that, chemistry is important so that they can have each other's back and there will be confident when they play inside the court. I think that they're trying to be better at this now.

Good thing to know that as early as now they are really showing the eagerness to form much solid lineup, a team that composed of chemistries and not just the name but players who will do their best to be in the team and add good numbers not just for offense but also on the defensive sides. It's given that we do have talents and we are competitive already, but forming the chemistries of all those good athletes needs time. The coaching managements needs to work harder than the usual routine to build and established the foundation of our nationals.

Is there a change of schedule?

SMB now is playing against Bossing, I thought they will be playing the Bay Area Dragons...
Correct me if I'm wrong, maybe I was not able to read the schedules clearly.

I don't know mate, but all I know is that Blackwater has upset the SMB in their first game. Blackwater had a huge run in the 4th quarter, Amer and Ayunayun were the heroes on that game, congrats to them, I think SMB cannot beat the Bay Area Dragons with their performance.

Moving to this topic, I didn't watch the whole game but my social media account is full of game highlights, the last minute plays that upset the last season champ. that passed from Perez gave Ayunayun that chance to complete his heroic game winner. Congrats Bossing a coming back from behind rally and completing the snatch.

[Kelvinid]

I don't know mate, but all I know is that Blackwater has upset the SMB in their first game. Blackwater had a huge run in the 4th quarter, Amer and Ayunayun were the heroes on that game, congrats to them, I think SMB cannot beat the Bay Area Dragons with their performance.

Moving to this topic, I didn't watch the whole game but my social media account is full of game highlights, the last minute plays that upset the last season champ. that passed from Perez gave Ayunayun that chance to complete his heroic game winner. Congrats Bossing a coming back from behind rally and completing the snatch.

That was a careless pass, it was well anticipated by Ayunayu and that sealed a win for the team. It was really entertaining as we are all expecting here that SMB will just dominate the Blackwater, but it turns out, they are really a real deal.

[jakelyson]

I don't know mate, but all I know is that Blackwater has upset the SMB in their first game. Blackwater had a huge run in the 4th quarter, Amer and Ayunayun were the heroes on that game, congrats to them, I think SMB cannot beat the Bay Area Dragons with their performance.

It is their first game after a long break. It is natural that they are not that competitive and are a little bit rusty. They should be able to go back to their normal competitive level after a few games. They will face RoS next before facing Bay Area Dragons. That would be enough games to get their rhythm going and competitive enough to give the Dragons a good fight.

Good thing to know that as early as now they are really showing the eagerness to form much solid lineup, a team that composed of chemistries and not just the name but players who will do their best to be in the team and add good numbers not just for offense but also on the defensive sides. It's given that we do have talents and we are competitive already, but forming the chemistries of all those good athletes needs time. The coaching managements needs to work harder than the usual routine to build and established the foundation of our nationals.

They are starting early this time. If I am right, this pool is for the 5th window in November. They still have a few weeks to practice and get that chemistry going. The only hindrance that I see here is that the players are also in the current conference in PBA and UAAP/NCAA. They cannot practice fully since some of the players are coming from matches the night before. They are exhausted coming into practice. I wonder how they will perform this time under these circumstances in their practices.

[Shamm]

Is there a change of schedule?

SMB now is playing against Bossing, I thought they will be playing the Bay Area Dragons...
Correct me if I'm wrong, maybe I was not able to read the schedules clearly.

Yes, the schedule is correct, SMB Beermen vs Blackwater Bossing in the first game while it is Magnolia vs TNT in the second game.

What an upset in the first game, i just can't remember what are the odds ML on that game but i'm sure it's 3.xx. Bossing's import had a monster game registering a triple double with 20 points, 18 rebounds and 10 assists. Maybe the lack of acquaintance to SMB's new import also contributed to the lose of SMB but nevertheless it's a good win for Blackwater.

I am surprise how Blackwater comeback the game as we saw their match between beermen that San Miguel Beermen manage or control the first quarter, second quarter and third quarter  , even though in 2nd quarter which is blackwater got their first lead but SMB manage well and then they are leading in the end of second quarter. But during the 4rth quarter Rosario and laseter shows their 3 point shoot and a back to back for both player and and in the last minute of the final quarter theirs a big  steal from black water to control the lead and take down SMB

[Fredomago]

I don't know mate, but all I know is that Blackwater has upset the SMB in their first game. Blackwater had a huge run in the 4th quarter, Amer and Ayunayun were the heroes on that game, congrats to them, I think SMB cannot beat the Bay Area Dragons with their performance.

Moving to this topic, I didn't watch the whole game but my social media account is full of game highlights, the last minute plays that upset the last season champ. that passed from Perez gave Ayunayun that chance to complete his heroic game winner. Congrats Bossing a coming back from behind rally and completing the snatch.

That was a careless pass, it was well anticipated by Ayunayu and that sealed a win for the team. It was really entertaining as we are all expecting here that SMB will just dominate the Blackwater, but it turns out, they are really a real deal.

A good fighting spirit for the Bossing they are down double digits if I remember it right, in the last quarter SMB still have good leads at the start, but Bossing show eagerness to win and made a big rally, it's really enjoying as SMB got the chance or lots of chance in winning the game. But that last mistake of Perez gives a seal for Bossing.

Still early might be possible that SMB is still in a vacation mode. That's why they committed mistake like but kidding aside,
we know the capabilities of this team, they will be bounce back and win their upcoming games.

[Johnyz]

Is there a change of schedule?

SMB now is playing against Bossing, I thought they will be playing the Bay Area Dragons...
Correct me if I'm wrong, maybe I was not able to read the schedules clearly.

I don't know mate, but all I know is that Blackwater has upset the SMB in their first game. Blackwater had a huge run in the 4th quarter, Amer and Ayunayun were the heroes on that game, congrats to them, I think SMB cannot beat the Bay Area Dragons with their performance.

I’m also confused to see different team on the floor where the supposed schedule is agains the Bay Area. What concerned me the most is that, SMB was defeated by Bossing which shocked many viewers as well. Maybe they are not ready for this game of Bossing really have a good fighting spirit to close this game with a win. SMB have to play better if they really want to beat Bay Area, there should be no excuses from them.

[samcrypto]

Is there a change of schedule?

SMB now is playing against Bossing, I thought they will be playing the Bay Area Dragons...
Correct me if I'm wrong, maybe I was not able to read the schedules clearly.

I don't know mate, but all I know is that Blackwater has upset the SMB in their first game. Blackwater had a huge run in the 4th quarter, Amer and Ayunayun were the heroes on that game, congrats to them, I think SMB cannot beat the Bay Area Dragons with their performance.

I’m also confused to see different team on the floor where the supposed schedule is agains the Bay Area. What concerned me the most is that, SMB was defeated by Bossing which shocked many viewers as well. Maybe they are not ready for this game of Bossing really have a good fighting spirit to close this game with a win. SMB have to play better if they really want to beat Bay Area, there should be no excuses from them.

SMB is leading most of the time but they also have a lot of missed shots and turnovers which resulted to a big loss for them. Too early to say, but I think SMB is just preparing for a more bigger games and with Bay Area, they have a higher chance of winning against them. Anyway, do you have news about the import of Magnolia? Too bad to injure early in the competition and hopefully that's not a serious injury which rest can work.

[blockman]

Yeah, a longer practice is better and the good news is that they've made a practice yesterday. (https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1185326)
It's good to see how this discussion grows and we've seen that the national team is having their practice with many players on the side.
Those that want to look at the roster, can check out that article as the names of the participants is there. True to that, chemistry is important so that they can have each other's back and there will be confident when they play inside the court. I think that they're trying to be better at this now.

Good thing to know that as early as now they are really showing the eagerness to form much solid lineup, a team that composed of chemistries and not just the name but players who will do their best to be in the team and add good numbers not just for offense but also on the defensive sides. It's given that we do have talents and we are competitive already, but forming the chemistries of all those good athletes needs time. The coaching managements needs to work harder than the usual routine to build and established the foundation of our nationals.

That's what it should be, they have to work on it so that they'll have that chemistry to be exact with their plays when they're up against a strong opponent.
Well, for the games a while ago, Bossing won against SMB. And with the latest news that I've heard, Phoenix Suns is on sale, right? Well, the Phoenix Fuel Masters franchise is also on sale.
(https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/reports-dennis-uy-set-to-sell-phoenix-fuel-masters/251486)
This owner, Dennis Uy is setting to sell the team and AFAIK, he's got a lot of loans to pay and that's why he's starting to sell most of his assets and stocks including Malampaya.

[harizen]

Is there a change of schedule?

SMB now is playing against Bossing, I thought they will be playing the Bay Area Dragons...
Correct me if I'm wrong, maybe I was not able to read the schedules clearly.

Maybe you got just confused.

PBA can't just change the series of matches. The scheduled match on eliminations is fixed. Only the date schedule is changing for various reasons such as typhoons, pandemic, or any things that can affect a certain game schedule. But when it comes to the replacement of the team, it's rare.

But still, I can't move on to my parlay bet last night. The reason is really unacceptable and that was SMB losing to Blackwater. Can't imagine that game will be the reason to crash my parlay bet where in fact that leg should be an easy pick. -sigh-

[LogitechMouse]

But still, I can't move on to my parlay bet last night. The reason is really unacceptable and that was SMB losing to Blackwater. Can't imagine that game will be the reason to crash my parlay bet where in fact that leg should be an easy pick. -sigh-

Ginebra also lost to ROS as well in their first game.
Both the sister teams lost to both independent teams.
Both the sister teams lost in their first games. Something's fishy .

Kidding aside, I also thought that the SMB will win because they have the lead in most of the game, but I was surprised that the Bossing manage to defeat them. Maybe the reason is it's SMB's first game of the conference so it might have an effect on them at least. Another one is their import. They changed at the last minute, and they replace their supposed import Thomas Robinson by Diamond Stone which played well on his first game scoring 20 points, but shot 7/23 on the field.

On the other hand, Bossing's import Krutwig got his first 20-18-10 triple double in this conference. I don't know for others but for me, this is the first time that I saw an import who focuses also on passing aside from shooting. Most of the time when we see imports in PBA, we often see them shooting, but Krutwig is different since he is also passing. I think with how they are playing; they might reach the playoffs again this conference.

[Hypnosis00]

On the other hand, Bossing's import Krutwig got his first 20-18-10 triple double in this conference. I don't know for others but for me, this is the first time that I saw an import who focuses also on passing aside from shooting. Most of the time when we see imports in PBA, we often see them shooting, but Krutwig is different since he is also passing. I think with how they are playing; they might reach the playoffs again this conference.

Good import indeed, however, we cannot deny that Blackwater has really improved, they have a roster that plays like a good teammate, and they don't rely on someone that's why they are fun to watch now. In fact, even in the all Filipino cup, they are already fun to watch, it's just that they are not a championship team but they are a competitive team.

[Natalim]

On the other hand, Bossing's import Krutwig got his first 20-18-10 triple double in this conference. I don't know for others but for me, this is the first time that I saw an import who focuses also on passing aside from shooting. Most of the time when we see imports in PBA, we often see them shooting, but Krutwig is different since he is also passing. I think with how they are playing; they might reach the playoffs again this conference.

Good import indeed, however, we cannot deny that Blackwater has really improved, they have a roster that plays like a good teammate, and they don't rely on someone that's why they are fun to watch now. In fact, even in the all Filipino cup, they are already fun to watch, it's just that they are not a championship team but they are a competitive team.

We can see that, but improvement is not enough, they should be a title contender if they want to be a champion, but if this team is just a farm team, then there's no chance there will be a consistent improvement as their big boss might just take away their best player as long as they see he is ready to play on their team.

[Sanitough]

According to the schedule tomorrow, we have converge vs Bay Area Dragons.

Bay Area Dragons is still undefeated until now, does converge have a chance of beating them? If there is, how big?
I'm checking on the spread, but it looks like it's not yet available.

But here's my question, if converge is +10.5, would you take it?

[jakelyson]

According to the schedule tomorrow, we have converge vs Bay Area Dragons.

Bay Area Dragons is still undefeated until now, does converge have a chance of beating them? If there is, how big?
I'm checking on the spread, but it looks like it's not yet available.

Converge is very energetic with its young players pushing the ball. At least that is what I observed in their games this conference. I like to believe that they can take the Bay Area Dragons but something is telling me that the Bay Area Dragons will not allow it to happen. The Dragons are the more mature team. This is important at the clutch moments. We have already seen how tenacious the dragons are and will not easily lose focus. They also have lots of clutch players that could shoot from the outside.

But here's my question, if converge is +10.5, would you take it?

I will definitely take this action. Bay area Dragons may win the match, but they will not be able to cover this big of a handicap. Converge is young but they have the heart to play big when needed.

[Shamm]

According to the schedule tomorrow, we have converge vs Bay Area Dragons.

Bay Area Dragons is still undefeated until now, does converge have a chance of beating them? If there is, how big?
I'm checking on the spread, but it looks like it's not yet available.

But here's my question, if converge is +10.5, would you take it?

After Meralco bolts vs Tirrafirma dyip then the current number 1 in the league which is the visitor Bay Area Dragon fighting against our local Converge which is I analyze and in my own opinion  the chance of converge to win is too small. The reason is that Bay area dragons has a good speed and ball movement with a good play finding open teammates to shoot in the three point line, and also even their big man can shoot in the outer. So I'll go for Bay area Dragon for this. Just my opinion.

[Fredomago]

On the other hand, Bossing's import Krutwig got his first 20-18-10 triple double in this conference. I don't know for others but for me, this is the first time that I saw an import who focuses also on passing aside from shooting. Most of the time when we see imports in PBA, we often see them shooting, but Krutwig is different since he is also passing. I think with how they are playing; they might reach the playoffs again this conference.

Good import indeed, however, we cannot deny that Blackwater has really improved, they have a roster that plays like a good teammate, and they don't rely on someone that's why they are fun to watch now. In fact, even in the all Filipino cup, they are already fun to watch, it's just that they are not a championship team but they are a competitive team.

We can see that, but improvement is not enough, they should be a title contender if they want to be a champion, but if this team is just a farm team, then there's no chance there will be a consistent improvement as their big boss might just take away their best player as long as they see he is ready to play on their team.

Yes, improvement is not enough to win a title, but if they are just here for business, I mean, if they just wanted to advertise or a big exposure for their business, then it's okay to continue being a farm team. They still surviving and they are earning or might be earning from doing the trade from time to time. But on the other side I see your point, they are really fighting or competing so well it's just so happen that the main gunners are not enough to win against the solid super teams.

According to the schedule tomorrow, we have converge vs Bay Area Dragons.

Bay Area Dragons is still undefeated until now, does converge have a chance of beating them? If there is, how big?
I'm checking on the spread, but it looks like it's not yet available.

But here's my question, if converge is +10.5, would you take it?

Converge played so well against Magnolia it's just a comeback from behind the win if I'm not mistaken for Magnolia. Let see if Converge will be able to upset the visiting team or if that certain handicap is provided by bookies. My personal take is, they can cover it, though it will depend on how they will play the system tomorrow.