Harris Vs Trump - Bitcoin betting on the 2024 US Presidential Election

[Rabata]

On Putin under a Trump administration, he will certainly stop sending billions of American dollars to Ukraine which are only being stolen by corrupt politicians in Ukraine.

If Trump wins Putin wins.  No need to include the Russian propaganda or make it seem like anything else.  And I don't mean just Ukraine.  If Trump wins, Nato will be weaker.  It may not even exist anymore.  This is how Putin decides who to help become the next US President - if NATO has to deal with Trump, it will be a lot easier for him to show his neighbors what happens when a nearby country decides to cooperate with the West instead of Papa Putin.

In a recent interview, when asked by a reporter about the US election, Mr. Putin stated that he supported Harris over Trump. According to you, if Trump wins, Putin will win, but why does he publicly support Harris?

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/putin-says-russia-supports-kamala-harris-in-us-presidential-election/3322570

I think most people are surprised by the answer to this question where Putin is recognize as a friend of Trump. But why he would support Harris remains a mystery. And what we naturally understand, even if this mystery isn't revealed, is that Putin certainly doesn't want anything that could weaken him. On the other hand, it will help to strengthen NATO. But whichever government comes, no one will devalue his country. Putin does not have a good relationship with the Biden administration but the relationship between Trump and Putin when we saw the Trump administration is commendable. While Trump has been hard on foreign policy during his tenure, he has remained close to Putin. But no one can tell when the nature of world politics will change. While Putin has spoken of his support for Harris in interviews, whom he will actually support will be determined after the election results.

[Iranus]

Trump supporters aren't naive enough to believe everything he says, but they at least see a small opportunity for the crypto industry in betting on him over Harris. Harris is a candidate coming from an administration that has never been friendly or open to the crypto industry.

This thinking needs to change if you ask me. Why does a megaforce like BTC need political support all of a sudden? It has proven time and time again that government support isn't necessary for the crypto world to keep surging forward and going mainstream.

The whole point of crypto was to reduce the dependence on politicians and world governments to a certain extent and not the opposite.

This world is a centralized and government controlled world and bitcoin is a part of this world, you need to accept this fact. Bitcoin has been able to survive and thrive so far thanks to government support, don't deny that. Do you use a bank to invest in bitcoin? Do you use the internet?...all of these are controlled by the government. Or can exchanges operate without government permission? Or most recently, how can bitcoin ETFs be approved without government permission? What if the government bans bitcoin? Of course, it won't die but do you think it will become popular and thrive with government bans? Governments are present everywhere in this world.

In the past, Bitcoin was small and governments didn't want to pay attention to it, but as it became more mature, it was inevitable that they would pay more attention to it. They care about it and will see if it benefits them or poses a threat to their world, these things are inevitable, it's just a matter of time, mate.

Do you want bitcoin to become a global currency, payment method or 8 billion people in the world using bitcoin? Or will bitcoin's market capitalization surpass gold and play a role in the world economy? How will all this happen without government support?

[legendbtc]

In a recent interview, when asked by a reporter about the US election, Mr. Putin stated that he supported Harris over Trump. According to you, if Trump wins, Putin will win, but why does he publicly support Harris?

You did not assume Putin was going to openly say he supports Trump because it would be good to Russia if he wins, did you?
Putin is a very calculating and smart politician, he knows he cannot openly support Donald Trump, because it would be like signaling what the interests of him and his regime are. So it is better for him to say he prefers Kamala for president in the United States.
Had he said he loved Trump and he wants Donald Trump for president of the USA, then the left wing media would have made a little scandal out of it and there would have been non-stop news anchors talking about Russian interference on the election and recalling the audience what happened back in 2016, when Hillary Clinton got hacked by Russian operatives (it was she or someone within her campaign, I don't recall completely) and it was revealed she had a private E-mail server and the drama started.
Putin wants Donald Trump to win, only by the fact Trump is skeptical on the role of the USA within NATO and he is ready to stop all funding for it, leaving European allies alone in the case of an attack.
When comes to the betting market, whatever Putin has to say does not have much influence over the odds of both candidates..

NATO weakening or being attacked by Russia will not benefit the United States and even weaken the United States. He threatened to cut off funding to NATO but you have to remember there was no war at the time, and Russia did not dare act aggressively during his tenure. But the situation today is completely different from four years ago, so pushing NATO away does not bring any benefits to the United States.

He also vowed to impose tariffs of 100% or higher and punish countries that do not use the US dollar in international trade. What Trump would do if elected would be very damaging to countries that are pushing for de-dollarization. This is something that BRICS leaders like Russia and China do not like at all. So I don't think Putin really wants to support and want Trump to win. 

In my opinion, Trump's election will create more challenges and difficulties for Russia, China, especially BRCIS, than the benefits that people are speculating.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-07/trump-pledges-100-tariff-for-countries-that-shun-the-dollar

[hedgeh0g]

I think this depends on where you are looking at the polls and news.

With the internet we might have bubbles of information that makes us believe that "everyone" thinks one way or another.

Reality is usually more nuanced than that.

Here's one image that summarizes a lot of polls for example:

I think that such polls also affect voters. For example, many may not go to vote, but if they see that the difference in the polls between the candidates is small, then this will be a reason to go and cast their vote. And vice versa, if the winner is obvious, then many may not just not go. In short, now the situation is completely unpredictable, any of them can win, but I think that usually people prefer to vote for a new candidate, because they want something new and have great hopes that their life will improve much, although I have never built such illusions for myself, because I am convinced that much depends on ourselves.

[jaberwock]

In a recent interview, when asked by a reporter about the US election, Mr. Putin stated that he supported Harris over Trump. According to you, if Trump wins, Putin will win, but why does he publicly support Harris?

I agree with you that if Trump wins, NATO will be weaker if it doesn't meet his demands and Ukraine will be in more trouble if he stops aid. But don't forget Trump's goal is to make America great again, so if anyone tries to oppose or influence America's position, he will not tolerate it and that is something Putin does not like.
We all know that in Trump's previous term, he was very tough on foreign policy with countries that were considered to be America's rivals, which is why I think many politicians in other countries did not want Trump to win.

Is it really that complicated to see why Putin would "support" kamala Harris? I mean it's clear that he wants his friend trump to win, but if he openly says that he supports trump that would only backfire, there are enough election interference from Russian bots and Russian money (via NRA) that was proven so far, and I am not even joking, it's proven, the receipts and proof are there, so if Putin says trump again, that would be terrible for trump.

So he says kamala, not that it would impact anything, but it wouldn't at least hurt trump, that is why he said that. It's so easy to see, it's one of the oldest tactics in the world, be the enemy, and pick the opposition and watch your favourite to win. Trump would be a lapdog to Putin if he wins, it's very clear, anyone can see that.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

People who thinks that Trump could stop Putin from taking lands from Ukraine are the reason why we have Trump running for president. If you knew even just a small smidge about Putin and who he is, you would know that there is absolutely no possible way that he would backdown and not take those two cities, he already took them, and he is not moving that much further ahead, he is just solidifying his position there and it's basically his now, as long as Ukraine keeps fighting, they have a chance to take it back, but Putin will never give up.

So the idea that Trump could stop it, means that Trump could convince Ukraine to let go of those lands, making Putin a winner. I rather see war than let Putin take whatever he wants whenever he wants, because who can stop him next time if we keep giving him whatever he wants? That's not acceptable, that's not truce, that's defeat. If Putin keeps those lands, then why did all this many people died from both sides?

This isn't about peace, this is about stopping a war criminal dictator realizing he can't just go out and take land whenever he wants. Even if there was a guarantee that he would stop here, I would understand that logic, but the reality is that if you give him these, then he will want some more in a few more years, that's the problem.

          -       So, do you mean that according to what you say, Trump is strong enough to convince him that he can let Putin be what Trump wants to happen if he ever gives him the opportunity to be the US president again?

I know Trump is a big and influential person, so let's assume that Trump is president. Is there any assurance that he can stop or change Putin's mind when he talks to him?

[Wakate]

People who thinks that Trump could stop Putin from taking lands from Ukraine are the reason why we have Trump running for president. If you knew even just a small smidge about Putin and who he is, you would know that there is absolutely no possible way that he would backdown and not take those two cities, he already took them, and he is not moving that much further ahead, he is just solidifying his position there and it's basically his now, as long as Ukraine keeps fighting, they have a chance to take it back, but Putin will never give up.

So the idea that Trump could stop it, means that Trump could convince Ukraine to let go of those lands, making Putin a winner. I rather see war than let Putin take whatever he wants whenever he wants, because who can stop him next time if we keep giving him whatever he wants? That's not acceptable, that's not truce, that's defeat. If Putin keeps those lands, then why did all this many people died from both sides?

This isn't about peace, this is about stopping a war criminal dictator realizing he can't just go out and take land whenever he wants. Even if there was a guarantee that he would stop here, I would understand that logic, but the reality is that if you give him these, then he will want some more in a few more years, that's the problem.

          -       So, do you mean that according to what you say, Trump is strong enough to convince him that he can let Putin be what Trump wants to happen if he ever gives him the opportunity to be the US president again?

I know Trump is a big and influential person, so let's assume that Trump is president. Is there any assurance that he can stop or change Putin's mind when he talks to him?

I think you need to understand how politics works. For Trump to have the audacity to travel all the way from the US to North Korea to have a deal with the Supreme lead of the North Korea people, then that means that he would be able to maintain the peace and unity that is required to end this war. This war between the Ukraine and Russia need to end as soon as possible so that they can start rebuilding the Ukrainian cities and bring lives to it again. It is just quite surprising that Russia has captured many of the Ukrainian cities but I know Trump would be able to settle this war and bring peace to earth again. Let's just hope for a better outcome from this election.

[AmoreJaz]

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This isn't about peace, this is about stopping a war criminal dictator realizing he can't just go out and take land whenever he wants. Even if there was a guarantee that he would stop here, I would understand that logic, but the reality is that if you give him these, then he will want some more in a few more years, that's the problem.

          -       So, do you mean that according to what you say, Trump is strong enough to convince him that he can let Putin be what Trump wants to happen if he ever gives him the opportunity to be the US president again?

I know Trump is a big and influential person, so let's assume that Trump is president. Is there any assurance that he can stop or change Putin's mind when he talks to him?

I don't think Trump can give the assurance to stop Putin from what he is doing right now. As it seems to what is happening right now, Putin is like suicidal with his moves and it doesn't matter who he is in battle with. So now, it depends on who is strong enough to put sanctions after sanctions to limit the movements of Putin. Or maybe, who is brave enough to wage a full war on him or on his country? But it means, affecting a lot of innocent lives. So who has the stomach to accept the worst case scenarios that can possibly happen to one country?

[SquallLeonhart]

there are factors that might swayed Bitcoin to be adopted if the government are going to fully support it. If the current government of any countries are against it, then obviously it will hinder it's growth. And that's why there countries who are still in between, the middle ground, they treat crypto as neither legal or illegal. But there are some who go against it and so their population has suffered at least.

So in any case that there are elections in your country and one is going to support crypto and other are against it, and if you are a crypto enthusiast, it's hard not to vote for the candidate that promises adoption, like in this case, Trump has put crypto in their political agenda. So it's a make or break for their political party.

We were made to be anti-government because fiat is ruining us, if anyone thinks trump or kamala would be good for us, never understood the point of bitcoin, we don't care if they are good or bad to us, we exist because we deny them all.

This is why it upsets me when I see some crypto people support one side or the other, do not support one side or the other, don't be a trump or kamala or whatever, none of those people are there to help us, we do not need their help. We are decentralized for a reason and if you do not know that reason then you shouldn't invest into crypto neither. Seeking approval from a politician is the last thing we need and because of that Trump being so interested in bitcoin and investors being so happy with trump makes me mad.

[tanitel]

yes, polymarket.com gives presently 52-46 victory for trump.

but to-morrow debate will maybe change notably this score.

as biden resignation has shown, debate loss is much more frequent that debate gain.

[TwitchySeal]

I think you need to understand how politics works. For Trump to have the audacity to travel all the way from the US to North Korea to have a deal with the Supreme lead of the North Korea people, then that means that he would be able to maintain the peace and unity that is required to end this war. This war between the Ukraine and Russia need to end as soon as possible so that they can start rebuilding the Ukrainian cities and bring lives to it again. It is just quite surprising that Russia has captured many of the Ukrainian cities but I know Trump would be able to settle this war and bring peace to earth again. Let's just hope for a better outcome from this election.

This is a good example of where Trump excels: Convincing people that his failures were actually successes.  

People remember all the fanfare around the Trump meeting with the N Korea dictator and how how successful each leader said the meeting was.  But then the details trickled out over the coming weeks.  

The meeting in Singapore the big deal they made was to keep talking and try to make a deal.  No substance.

The meeting in Hanoi ended early after Trump passed a note demanding they hand over their nukes.

The final meeting at the border was in summer 2019, where they made the same deal as the first - to continue working on a resolution. 

Then in October 2020, a few weeks before the election, North Korea held a parade for it's new intercontinental "Monster Missile"....


Just like so many of Trumps business deals before he became a politician, he benefited personally, in this case with all the positive media coverage of him claiming success, but anyone that doesn't simply take his word and looks at the facts for themselves will find most of the expectations Trump set were not met.

[bubilas]

I was very surprised by Putin's answer that he was more rooting for Harris to win. This is very strange, and Trump, like me, was disappointed.
After all, everyone knows that Harris is not going to end the conflict in Ukraine, on the contrary, she is ready to support them, as Biden does. And before that, I thought that Putin was for Trump, because he even expressed respect for the President of Russia.

[TwitchySeal]

I was very surprised by Putin's answer that he was more rooting for Harris to win. This is very strange, and Trump, like me, was disappointed.
After all, everyone knows that Harris is not going to end the conflict in Ukraine, on the contrary, she is ready to support them, as Biden does. And before that, I thought that Putin was for Trump, because he even expressed respect for the President of Russia.

And why would Russia be funding a bunch of right wing sites that spread misinformation damaging to Kamal/Biden and favorable to Trump?

Have you considered the possibility that Putin was not telling the truth?  Because... duh.

[pawel7777]

I was very surprised by Putin's answer that he was more rooting for Harris to win. This is very strange, and Trump, like me, was disappointed.
After all, everyone knows that Harris is not going to end the conflict in Ukraine, on the contrary, she is ready to support them, as Biden does. And before that, I thought that Putin was for Trump, because he even expressed respect for the President of Russia.

That's no brainer. Putin knows that his endorsement will have a negative effect on voting results, so he said he prefers Kamala. Obviously he truly prefers whoever is more likely to end the war and support the peace agreement, which is probably Trump, although I wouldn't be so sure.
I'm not sure what's the average American's sentiment towards the war in Ukraine though. Since the US is not directly involved, I imagine people are probably not bothered too much.

[TwitchySeal]

I was very surprised by Putin's answer that he was more rooting for Harris to win. This is very strange, and Trump, like me, was disappointed.
After all, everyone knows that Harris is not going to end the conflict in Ukraine, on the contrary, she is ready to support them, as Biden does. And before that, I thought that Putin was for Trump, because he even expressed respect for the President of Russia.

That's no brainer. Putin knows that his endorsement will have a negative effect on voting results, so he said he prefers Kamala. Obviously he truly prefers whoever is more likely to end the war and support the peace agreement, which is probably Trump, although I wouldn't be so sure.
I'm not sure what's the average American's sentiment towards the war in Ukraine though. Since the US is not directly involved, I imagine people are probably not bothered too much.

I don't think he even expected anyone to believe him since he said it right after the DOJ indicted some Russians for funding fake right wing media to  spread pro Trump misinformation.

"She laughs so expressively and infectiously that it means that everything is fine with her,"



Never underestimate the benefits of Trumps most loyal followers also be the least educated.

[STT]

Putin would not truthfully give an answer to such a question or many other questions.   Trump said he would stop all military support of Ukraine, that would alter the war with Putin involved.   Theres little more to deduce from such simple motivation, he would prefer no help and obviously Trump winning helps his position.   Harris and the laugh is just a funny point to make when asked, Harris will continue many similar policies to Biden including the ongoing support and theres no chance thats ok with Putin so he gives a funny answer of course.

or the first time since becoming the Democrat presidential candidate, Kamala Harris has suffered a drop in the polls. A New York Times survey showed Donald Trump edging out Ms Harris 48 per cent to 47 per cent among likely voters nationally. This may represent the end of a honeymoon period for the vice president.

This was predicted previously, that the gains seen on Harris becoming the official nominee would lapse.  It then requires real work to convince voters on an individual basis not only the reflected story from the alternate candidates.

[nullama]

~snip~
I think that such polls also affect voters. For example, many may not go to vote, but if they see that the difference in the polls between the candidates is small, then this will be a reason to go and cast their vote. And vice versa, if the winner is obvious, then many may not just not go. In short, now the situation is completely unpredictable, any of them can win, but I think that usually people prefer to vote for a new candidate, because they want something new and have great hopes that their life will improve much, although I have never built such illusions for myself, because I am convinced that much depends on ourselves.

Yes, the fact that the USA has voluntary voting means that you first have to make the people want to go to vote, and then you need to align their vote...

It doesn't matter if half the country support you but then they don't end up voting. You lose basically in that scenario.

Other countries have compulsory voting, which reduces the amount of effort candidates have to do about simply going to vote, which might end up in a vote for the other person.

It's going to be an interesting time for sure.

[Baofeng]

Putin would not truthfully give an answer to such a question or many other questions.   Trump said he would stop all military support of Ukraine, that would alter the war with Putin involved.   Theres little more to deduce from such simple motivation, he would prefer no help and obviously Trump winning helps his position.   Harris and the laugh is just a funny point to make when asked, Harris will continue many similar policies to Biden including the ongoing support and theres no chance thats ok with Putin so he gives a funny answer of course.

or the first time since becoming the Democrat presidential candidate, Kamala Harris has suffered a drop in the polls. A New York Times survey showed Donald Trump edging out Ms Harris 48 per cent to 47 per cent among likely voters nationally. This may represent the end of a honeymoon period for the vice president.

This was predicted previously, that the gains seen on Harris becoming the official nominee would lapse.  It then requires real work to convince voters on an individual basis not only the reflected story from the alternate candidates.

We should take what Putin says with a grain of salt, it could be just a propaganda and we don't know who will benefit from this rumor, and whether it's true, it will not help Putin with this war with Ukraine. But he could be closely monitoring the elections as there is also this rumor before that they've interfere on the 2020 elections.

As for Harris losing grounds, I think it's normal for a candidate, just like what happens to Trump, after the assassination, his numbers increases and then Biden backs out, Harris takes over, overtake Trump as per some social media, and now the fatigue and her lead diminishes.

[bubilas]

I think this depends on where you are looking at the polls and news.

With the internet we might have bubbles of information that makes us believe that "everyone" thinks one way or another.

Reality is usually more nuanced than that.

Here's one image that summarizes a lot of polls for example:

I think that such polls also affect voters. For example, many may not go to vote, but if they see that the difference in the polls between the candidates is small, then this will be a reason to go and cast their vote. And vice versa, if the winner is obvious, then many may not just not go. In short, now the situation is completely unpredictable, any of them can win, but I think that usually people prefer to vote for a new candidate, because they want something new and have great hopes that their life will improve much, although I have never built such illusions for myself, because I am convinced that much depends on ourselves.

That's true, because we all always want something new, and no matter how good the head of the country is, they all go from new and bold decisions to conservatism. Their decisions become softer, and often even types of attempts to retain power by force or cunning dirty methods. Therefore, everyone loves a new fresh look from new voters.
I think this is the reason why Harris has such a large potential audience of voters. And thanks to them, she has every chance to bypass Trump.

[Die_empty]

In a recent interview, when asked by a reporter about the US election, Mr. Putin stated that he supported Harris over Trump. According to you, if Trump wins, Putin will win, but why does he publicly support Harris?

I agree with you that if Trump wins, NATO will be weaker if it doesn't meet his demands and Ukraine will be in more trouble if he stops aid. But don't forget Trump's goal is to make America great again, so if anyone tries to oppose or influence America's position, he will not tolerate it and that is something Putin does not like.
We all know that in Trump's previous term, he was very tough on foreign policy with countries that were considered to be America's rivals, which is why I think many politicians in other countries did not want Trump to win.

Donald Trump is an admirer of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Both of them have the same ideologies in many areas. If given the opportunity Trump would have wanted to enjoy a long tenure like Putin. That was why he encouraged his supporters to invade the Capitol. Both leaders don't support the  LGBTQIA+ community. Both of them are religious and conservative so both LGBT abortion laws will be strict.

Trump once boasted that he would have needed the war in Russia/Ukraine in one day. Maybe his strategy is to withdraw support for Ukraine and make them lose some part of their territories. Maybe he would have spoken with his friend Vladimir persuading him to withdraw. But one thing I know is that NATO will suffer if Trump wins and Putin will be pleased with that. So if you ask, I will say that Putin fully supports Trump.