Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[paxmao]

There was a shooting at a military base in Belgorod region. I mean the bad kind of shooting, not like a training exercise. Two or three armed individuals (according to RF MOD - "terrorists", according to some other reports - mobilized soldiers) fired at other mobilized soldiers and killed between 10 and 22, injured 15 or more. MOD says the "terrorists" are citizens of CIS, meaning the moribund post-Soviet union involving Russia, Belarus, etc, but in this case they most likely mean a person from Central Asia. If they were among the mobilized, that would explain how an armed foreign (presumably dual) citizen managed to get into a military base. Motive was allegedly religion-based, which works well for Russian propaganda - islamic terrorism and the entire evil world against the righteous Russian dictatorship. They might try to tie it to Ukraine as well.

https://ria.ru/20221015/terakt-1824340408.html

Against this background, the news of a week ago looks very revealing, when human rights activists reported that labor migrants from Central Asian countries were being forced to sign a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense in various dishonest ways. It seems to be a direct consequence of such a bestial attitude towards migrants.

https://holod.media/2022/10/09/v-rossii-migrantov-iz-czentralnoj-azii-obmanom-zastavlyayut-podpisyvat-voennye-kontrakty/

Try this for starters: Here's Why Sanctions Actually Help Russia - https://russia-insider.com/en/politics/heres-why-sanctions-actually-help-russia/ri41.

Oh, such nonsense has just started to be said since about 2014. It's funny that you gave a link to an article from 2015. I was hoping that you would give me something more weighty, for example, a list of factories and industries that have been opened on the territory of Russia in cooperation with China. Or at least the news that Russia and China now have a visa-free regime, you can stay in the country all year round and freely buy real estate with rubbles. There is no such thing either? Maybe goods from China have become much cheaper for Russians? Unfortunately, no.
But you are partly right. Only with a small note: there is a lot of benefit from sanctions for China. They got a chance to buy Russia's natural resources with almost no profit for Russia.

Short term, the RF can deal with sanctions, but certainly is not benefiting from them. Long term, they cannot do without the tech and the demand from developed countries.

Whatabouting on China, Xi has stated again that they are going to COVID-suicide their economy maintaining the zero tolerance and shutting down cities as required. Perhaps this is not the ideal partner (not that ever was) for a fruitful relationship hu?

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[tvbcof]

IRIS-T as demanded by Zelenskij...('Like NOW you limp-dick Sitzpinkeln German mutherfuckers.')

 - "The cost of one Nasams battery is $23 million with one Amraam missile costs more than $1.2 million"

 - A kilo of good quality coke for NaZiocon acting troupe to split up,  Free from CIA.


Shabah-136:

 - Loitering chainsaw - About $20k ea:
 - Used rebar to fabricate a launch frame:  $0  (plenty available at the former Ukroid defensive fortifications.)


"Pretty simple math, eh Bob?"

[paxmao]

IRIS-T as demanded by Zelenskij...('Like NOW you limp-dick Sitzpinkeln German mutherfuckers.')

 - "The cost of one Nasams battery is $23 million with one Amraam missile costs more than $1.2 million"

 - A kilo of good quality coke for NaZiocon acting troupe to split up,  Free from CIA.


Shabah-136:

 - Loitering chainsaw - About $20k ea:
 - Used rebar to fabricate a launch frame:  $0  (plenty available at the former Ukroid defensive fortifications.)


"Pretty simple math, eh Bob?"

This is me trying to decipher you crap. US and EU are sending advance air defence systems since Adolf Putin decided to destroy civil infrastructure unrelated to war (wanton destruction - a war crime). What is the point about speaking about drugs and rebar?

Again wattabouting, cocaine may be very likely be legalised before the turn of the decade. War on drugs is non-sense - as long as you have poor people, there will be no shortage and as long as US guys crazy about blowing up their noses anything smaller than a pea - and cartels are destroying half of Latin America.

[suchmoon]

Regardless how many times you continue to repeat that, facts will continue to prove otherwise. Good luck trying to fool everyone and pretending as if Ukraine didn't pick a pro Russian president in 2010 who US/Europe and the world acknowledged (before cookies showed up 4 years later [surely pro EU president would've won next, US brought cookies to the coup cause they just couldn't wait whole 11months for a legal peaceful transition ])

Ukraine elects a pro-Russian president: "picked"
Ukraine elects a non-pro-Russian president (after the aforementioned ran away): COUP! COOKIES!

Despite the actual facts (not Kremlin fantasies) - like the laws Yanik tried to push through - that point to him being a wannabe-Lukashenko and trying to create a puppet totalitarian shithole for Putin.

But how could Ukraine not want to be like Belarus. Unimaginable.

[LTU_btc]

Meanwhile in Russia, their fighter plane crashed into apartment building in Krasnodar, which is located near to Ukraine and Crimea, killed at least
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/aircraft-crashes-into-residential-building-russian-city-yeysk-agencies-2022-10-17/
That moment when I don't even know what to say them.
While Russia have zero achievements in front in last few moments, their desparate attacks with Shahed drones continues. Every day they attack Ukrainian cities and civillian infrastructure, killing inoccent people. I'm just wondering how much it will help them in front and how many mikitary objects with these mopeds they actually detroyed. It's rhetorical question.

[OutOfMemory]

Newly mobilized talks about being cannon fodder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC96cnmPfB4

Great Russian Army?

[DaRude]

Are you saying that you think the general population of Ukraine doesn't want to join NATO, the EU, embrace western values and instead would prefer to become part of Putins Kleptocracy?  

Apparently all they want is cookies.

But for some inexplicable reason Putin can't give them cookies while (allegedly) being capable of boosting Crimea's economy and the imaginary Russian side of the future split Ukraine.

It's almost as if Ukrainians don't like Russian cookies. I wonder why that is.

Regardless how many times you continue to repeat that, facts will continue to prove otherwise. Good luck trying to fool everyone and pretending as if Ukraine didn't pick a pro Russian president in 2010 who US/Europe and the world acknowledged (before cookies showed up 4 years later [surely pro EU president would've won next, US brought cookies to the coup cause they just couldn't wait whole 11months for a legal peaceful transition ])

Seems pretty clear that out of control corruption and Yanukovych refusing to sign the trade agreement were the main reasons for the revolution.  Not cookies.  Not even evil America.  The guy was turning Ukraine into a Kleptocracy and not even bothering to pretend he wasn't.  
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Regardless how many times you continue to repeat that, facts will continue to prove otherwise. Good luck trying to fool everyone and pretending as if Ukraine didn't pick a pro Russian president in 2010 who US/Europe and the world acknowledged (before cookies showed up 4 years later [surely pro EU president would've won next, US brought cookies to the coup cause they just couldn't wait whole 11months for a legal peaceful transition ])

Ukraine elects a pro-Russian president: "picked"
Ukraine elects a non-pro-Russian president (after the aforementioned ran away): COUP! COOKIES!

Despite the actual facts (not Kremlin fantasies) - like the laws Yanik tried to push through - that point to him being a wannabe-Lukashenko and trying to create a puppet totalitarian shithole for Putin.

But how could Ukraine not want to be like Belarus. Unimaginable.

Well you two got me convinced what an ingenious idea, after giving it more thought, why have a general elections in Ukraine at all? Whenever something clears the burden of "pretty clear" to you two judges, just have a coup and claim that majority wanted it that way, why even bother asking general population. Don't even need to follow any impeachment protocols, and if US ambassador and undersecretary of state get caught on record pushing for this, and handing out cookies to your side than that's even better. I'm sure people of Donetsk that overwhelmingly voted for their ex Governor of Donetsk Yanukovych into presidents office totally agreed with that, just tell them that he ran away to get milk 11month before reelection and never came back, who wouldn't believe that story?? Quick someone pass this genius approach to Tories in UK and January 6 commission in the US

[suchmoon]

Well you two got me convinced what an ingenious idea, after giving it more thought, why have a general elections in Ukraine at all?

Then it'd be like Russia and that's not a good thing. Instead Ukraine kept having elections even after one of their presidents turned out to be a massive shithead and that's a good thing (the elections, not the shithead).

[tvbcof]

This vid is making the rounds.  It may or may not be completely on it's own merits as being pretty funny,  and that it certainly is:

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/ujYwwj9sfbOt/

A brief skim of 'INN', who seems to have created and/or distributed the cartoon, indicates that INN can be categorized as 'Judaizers'.  That is to say, their strategy is based upon the concept of getting Christians to believe in and work for certain things which are consider by the implementors as progress.  Especially Zionism.

Since near the start of the Ukraine thing I have entertained the hypothesis that some entity is using both the West and Russia to reduce the number of Slavs in Ukraine and emasculate those who remain.  The most likely reason for doing so would be to make way for a new population.  This would imply significant relationships within the higher levels of leadership within both Russia and the Western 'democracies'.  It would also imply a fair degree of stagecraft.  Fake disagreements, clownish leadership puppets, etc.

Anyway, dead Ukrainians (Russia's specialty) are a buried non-problem.  Migrants to the West pose a future issue if they might want to return.  The cartoon seems to imply that Russia and the West will need to work together to solve this issue.  I'll be watching with interest how the partitioning of Ukraine goes.

[BADecker]

^^^ Love that video. Thanks. Ukraine's help from the US and EU will dry up, even if it takes a little while.

[paxmao]

Well you two got me convinced what an ingenious idea, after giving it more thought, why have a general elections in Ukraine at all?

Then it'd be like Russia and that's not a good thing. Instead Ukraine kept having elections even after one of their presidents turned out to be a massive shithead and that's a good thing (the elections, not the shithead).

By now everyone should have figured that DaRude thinks that you can treat a representative system in the same terms as a despotic one. That the police on a representative regime has the same limits than on a Dictatorship, that elections are always sham, (irrespective of having international observers and guarantees), that the only thing than matters is sheer power and being the bigger guy and accepting slavery to survive... And he believes that somehow this is because he has "more clarity" or his analysis is "more independent".

How are you going to have a realistic political discussion with someone who just does not get the concept of freedom or believes that it does not exist?

^^^ Love that video. Thanks. Ukraine's help from the US and EU will dry up, even if it takes a little while.
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Good, good... keep waiting for it to dry up. Patience is an important virtue - sometimes you can a whole life waiting for something to happen.

[BADecker]

^^^ Love that video. Thanks. Ukraine's help from the US and EU will dry up, even if it takes a little while.
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Good, good... keep waiting for it to dry up. Patience is an important virtue - sometimes you can a whole life waiting for something to happen.

It will only take until the next US Presidential election. Of course, Biden might push for nuclear war, first. But, nuclear war would have similar results, only far more widespread than Ukraine and Russia.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Heh heh... Seems that China is not being so 'friendly' to Russia after all... https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/18/russia_china_semiconductro_failure_rates/
Per that article around 40% of the semiconductors that Russia is getting from China are duds... 

[TwitchySeal]

Heh heh... Seems that China is not being so 'friendly' to Russia after all... https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/18/russia_china_semiconductro_failure_rates/
Per that article around 40% of the semiconductors that Russia is getting from China are duds... 

semisuccessful semiconductors

[DaRude]

Well you two got me convinced what an ingenious idea, after giving it more thought, why have a general elections in Ukraine at all?

Then it'd be like Russia and that's not a good thing. Instead Ukraine kept having elections even after one of their presidents turned out to be a massive shithead and that's a good thing (the elections, not the shithead).

Oh, well now it's crystal clear, why didn't you just say that earlier...only minor detail left is to define levels of shitheadness. At what level of shitheadness should Article 111 (UA Impeachment) should be enacted (if ever) and at which you can just wipe your ass with the constitution because US cookies showed up on the streets? Yep, sounds like a totally legit democracy.

Well you two got me convinced what an ingenious idea, after giving it more thought, why have a general elections in Ukraine at all?

Then it'd be like Russia and that's not a good thing. Instead Ukraine kept having elections even after one of their presidents turned out to be a massive shithead and that's a good thing (the elections, not the shithead).

By now everyone should have figured that DaRude thinks that you can treat a representative system in the same terms as a despotic one. That the police on a representative regime has the same limits than on a Dictatorship, that elections are always sham, (irrespective of having international observers and guarantees), that the only thing than matters is sheer power and being the bigger guy and accepting slavery to survive... And he believes that somehow this is because he has "more clarity" or his analysis is "more independent".

How are you going to have a realistic political discussion with someone who just does not get the concept of freedom or believes that it does not exist?
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You got me! Congrats, your sarcasm detector is in top shape, nothing gets past by you! Yep cause when anyone says representative system* everyone automatically thinks of Ukraine!

And very interesting choice of words, you should read up on Realpolitik. But you probably won't like one of it's main proponents Henry Kissinger's position on Ukraine either.

*unless US thinks that our president is a shithead. Then with the help of their cookies, we can totally ignore our constitution and all rule of law, after a coup the most pro-US person is installed in presidents seat

[TwitchySeal]

unless US thinks that our president is a shithead. Then with the help of their cookies, we can totally ignore our constitution and all rule of law, after a coup the most pro-US person is installed in presidents seat

Seems pretty clear that out of control corruption and Yanukovych refusing to sign the trade agreement were the main reasons for the revolution.  Not cookies.  Not even evil America.  The guy was turning Ukraine into a Kleptocracy and not even bothering to pretend he wasn't.  

PS: Ukraines constitution includes joining NATO.

[Branko]

Seems pretty clear that out of control corruption and Yanukovych refusing to sign the trade agreement were the main reasons for the revolution.  Not cookies.  Not even evil America.  The guy was turning Ukraine into a Kleptocracy and not even bothering to pretend he wasn't.  

If corruption is main reason for revolution, and it got WORSE after Yanukovych got overthrown,
why we didn't see more revolutions? Could it be that corrupt money was flowing in right
direction after he got overthrown, so there was no reason and no cookies?

[TwitchySeal]

Seems pretty clear that out of control corruption and Yanukovych refusing to sign the trade agreement were the main reasons for the revolution.  Not cookies.  Not even evil America.  The guy was turning Ukraine into a Kleptocracy and not even bothering to pretend he wasn't.  

If corruption is main reason for revolution, and it got WORSE after Yanukovych got overthrown,
why we didn't see more revolutions? Could it be that corrupt money was flowing in right
direction after he got overthrown, so there was no reason and no cookies?

Well it didn't get worse after Yanukovych fled to Russia before being impeached and charged for treason, corruption, etc.

And why do you keep bringing up cookies?  Is that really the best thing you can come up with?  The US ambassador handed out cookies to protestors?  

Ukraine wants to join NATO.
NATO won't let Ukraine in as long as Putin Puppets are in power.
Obviously NATO countries will support protests against Putin puppets and be happy to see them removed from power.  Ukraine benefits, NATO benefits. 

It's really that simple.  

[Branko]

Who would think that NATO expansion would provoke Russia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A--57cFU5zM

[paxmao]

Well you two got me convinced what an ingenious idea, after giving it more thought, why have a general elections in Ukraine at all?

Then it'd be like Russia and that's not a good thing. Instead Ukraine kept having elections even after one of their presidents turned out to be a massive shithead and that's a good thing (the elections, not the shithead).

Oh, well now it's crystal clear, why didn't you just say that earlier...only minor detail left is to define levels of shitheadness. At what level of shitheadness should Article 111 (UA Impeachment) should be enacted (if ever) and at which you can just wipe your ass with the constitution because US cookies showed up on the streets? Yep, sounds like a totally legit democracy.

Well you two got me convinced what an ingenious idea, after giving it more thought, why have a general elections in Ukraine at all?

Then it'd be like Russia and that's not a good thing. Instead Ukraine kept having elections even after one of their presidents turned out to be a massive shithead and that's a good thing (the elections, not the shithead).

By now everyone should have figured that DaRude thinks that you can treat a representative system in the same terms as a despotic one. That the police on a representative regime has the same limits than on a Dictatorship, that elections are always sham, (irrespective of having international observers and guarantees), that the only thing than matters is sheer power and being the bigger guy and accepting slavery to survive... And he believes that somehow this is because he has "more clarity" or his analysis is "more independent".

How are you going to have a realistic political discussion with someone who just does not get the concept of freedom or believes that it does not exist?
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You got me! Congrats, your sarcasm detector is in top shape, nothing gets past by you! Yep cause when anyone says representative system* everyone automatically thinks of Ukraine!

And very interesting choice of words, you should read up on Realpolitik. But you probably won't like one of it's main proponents Henry Kissinger's position on Ukraine either.

*unless US thinks that our president is a shithead. Then with the help of their cookies, we can totally ignore our constitution and all rule of law, after a coup the most pro-US person is installed in presidents seat

Realpolitik maybe something "new" for you. It is not for me. Now, you have to move on from the XIX century, go past the Menshevik revolution, turn a bit for the existentialism and, by the end of the trail you will find that things are not quite as they used to be with Bismarck and that people in the internet era have better access to the world and can do something about their destinies, even if it takes to fight a Dictator.

Your points would be perfectly valid if made on a forum from around X B.C. to XIX A.C. Now you need an update of your firmware to "history 21.1" operating system.

Who would think that NATO expansion would provoke Russia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A--57cFU5zM

Following you argument, who in their right would try to stop NATO on a battlefield. When you get to war like this is because you have already failed in using soft power.