[ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released

[barabbas]

2 more, novel writers, to add to the ignore list.  Ignoring altcoinuk and buy4crypto shrank the forum page count by 11 pages.
I believe in completely un-moderated forums.  It gives us the choice to see opposing views and occasionally find out important negative information.  

It also leaves with us the responsibility to self censor FUD bots that write volumes of fluff, trying to justify their position.  Some are obvious plants that are FUD fishing.  Trying to get anyone to say anything that can be use against them, regardless if its in or out of context.

FUDders, a bit of advice.  Make your points quickly.  Our eyes glaze over about the 4th line into your paragraph. If you haven't made the point yet?  We've already moved on to the next post.  And lost are your, extravagant long winded, attempts at word smithing.

Keep to the points, and I'll read your posts to see if you have valid argument.  I don't have time to read and reread War and Peace, just to find out over and over, that you still don't like something.

  ^^  Example of someone that obviously belongs in veritalk but somehow cannot convince himself because, well, he just cannot help but trolling.

[barabbas]

To all the fudders in here: take a look at the roadmap and tell me which other coin offers you such a wide range of features (thx to Socal for doing such a great job with Verinews)

This is just amazing, really:

What Vericoin has:

1.- Verybit. Every coin has it. Every single one even much less established than Vericoin. You exchange it for BTC (including the waiting times of up to one hour and more of BTC), and then it is golden. Exactly the same process as if you would sell your coins in an exchange and paid from that account in BTC. Amazing "asset", isn't it?

2.- VeriSMS. You can use your mobile phone when you don't have internet service ( Maybe in the Himalaya mountains, high, really high on them??). OK, let's assume that you just WANT to use it and not bother with your internet. You will have to input the wallet address of any recipient of your funds... an d that is not exactly a walk in the park, is it? Chances are, 99.99% of the time, that you will send your irretrievable VRCs to someone not even remotely intended to.
The expected usage of this "feature" is 1 in 1 million transactions... being quite generous. Oh, lets not forget that, according to the roadmap, the devs are in the (long ) process of eliminating the need to input the wallet's addresses by copying/pasting what boxxa's has already implemente in PINK.

3.- Verisend. Since it is optional, no one will use it of course by the simple reason that it is so low in the ranking of purported anonymous ways to send money, that it will be like using generic bleach instead of clorox, for the same price.

Now, if you look at the other "features" listed as in different levels of progression, you will see that there's no real path but a diversity of projects of no significance whatsoever that will never either be implemented or used or both. Of note is the mention of the multi-pool that still doesn't work proper (it's a random thing), that still pays much less than any savvy investor will get on their own and that, obviously, bachelor number 3 doesn't have any idea of how to fix properly.

Now people insist that I must be "nice" instead of blunt and  "positive" in my criticism (as it that wasn't a contradiction in terms). How can you, if you are not full of shit and willing to lie? How?

[MAD945]

So if true, Coinsis requires that 15k USD be gained from where? Did this come from the developers pocket? VeriFund? Should the VeriFund be controlled by 3 people, who in secrecy use the funds to make deals with third parties? This must be a troll, because if true, unbelievable! No wonder my attempts to ask for clarity all where ignored. The worst part is, the people who control all the decisions / development funds have proven to be terrible business people.

Can someone from the dev team that Knows how and what happend answer this please ?
I dont want to read what Tom Dick and Harry Think happend just the actual information please Id like to know.

Effects to Cause is the Dev handling the coinsis project. VeriCoins' agreement is signed.

The deal in place with Coinsis includes a "Non-Disclosure" clause

Effects has mentioned this several times. He can't say anythig until coinsis makes their announcments.

The tone of the BC article makes me think BC hasn't "signed" their agreement with Coinsis yet.

If they had ( and had the same deal as VRC) they would  be bound by the same Non-Disclourse restriction.

 One might infer that BC doesn't have a "signed" agreement with Coinsis yet or (if they do) they're violating the "Non-Disclosure Agreement" (NDA)

Thanks Kevondo, this is the current state and I have mentioned it multiple times.  If you are very concerned PM me and I will give as much info as I can, thanks.  We have not used the VeriFund and only would after talking with the community first.

Also it is getting harder and harder for us to keep up to date on every forum post.  If you have concerns that are urgent or pressing please email vericoin@vericoin.info, this forwards to all three devs.  Or pm us here, it's easy to miss a question or comment here, thanks.

Once again, the evidence shows the reality of things: We have two children (the third doesn't even seem to interfere in these types of things), leading this.
I can only imagine the expert salespeople of Coinsis handling these two in their conversations... but hey, what do you expect? Let's be real.

Once again, first of all, the Visa deal is not even a deal worth mentioning on any level for it is something of no significance whatsoever, therefore it should have been mentioned only at the time where implementation would be only pending majority approval by the stakeholders (that would be US, the owners of the coin). If, as it seems, Nosker was so compelled to mention it for the purpose of hyping (as everyone knows I am ALL for "hyping" -creating momentum, actually-), there wouldn't have been any NDA violation simply stating that VRC was in active discussion for a credit card company to include it in it's rooster of clients. Truth, no details, and same hype... only with people in the forums -people like me and others- clarifying pros and cons long before vote submissions.

Instead, the band that can't shoot straight, makes the announcement several months before it can be implemented, with a company that no one knows and, apparently, at a cost no one will ever be willing to pay -because it isn't worth it not even remotely-. Wow, not only children running the ship but not the sharpest children you could find.

In any event, as stated above, this deal will probably never materialize. If it does will be yet another negative for Vericoin for no one will use it and, above all, it isn't anything different -only bigger fees and payment in advance-, from the link to Moolah in the wallet... only a portable link in plastic. To even dedicate two minutes to think, let alone discuss it, is just a total waste of time.

All assumptions...no hard facts to anything you say! Your just talking out of your ass, just baseless accusations and no hard facts! Endless speculation...

Any intelligent person reading your post would see you here to stir the pot and cause doubts in the investor. Endless pages of incoherent rants and ramblings. That's all you bring here, no ideas, no solutions, no positive thoughts on how Vericoin can be something different then all the other alt coins. And no Vericoin World Day was not a good idea! I doubt your even an investor in this coin or ever were...

The reason you haven't stopped is because you love the attention you get in this thread....including my reply.

[MAD945]

And just as I was typing this you posted three more times...all negative and none productive rantings and ramblings. I rest my case...

[Wreathy]

Take you seriously because?.

Since I had already wasted my time, here it is:

[Investing123]

Only 10 hours left to buy your VeriCoin T-shirts and hats!

https://shop.moolah.io/VRClothes

[barabbas]

Take you seriously because?.

Since I had already wasted my time, here it is:

Damn right.

But you and a the rabid, myopic idiots will never see the light.

Instead you are selling this shit to people and expect Jane and Joe Sixpack to even consider it: https://www.vericoin.info/

No need to add a thing...

[altcoinUK]

And just as I was typing this you posted three more times...all negative and none productive rantings and ramblings. I rest my case...

Actually Barrabas is right about Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS. All are completely useless functions and certainly don't put vericoin in the league of innovative coins. No wonder the statistic indicates the three features have 9 users worldwide (from the 9 users 3 are the developers). Hardly creative and innovative ideas like Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS are not good enough, no wonder the price is 9k.

[MAD945]

And just as I was typing this you posted three more times...all negative and none productive rantings and ramblings. I rest my case...

Actually Barrabas is right about Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS. All are completely useless functions and certainly don't put vericoin in the league of innovative coins. No wonder the statistic indicates the three features have 9 users worldwide (from the 9 users 3 are the developers). Hardly creative and innovative ideas like Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS are not good enough, no wonder the price is 9k.

And what other coins have useful features in the real world besides bitcoin? This is a long-term play...

You need to pull your head out of crypto and look at this from non crypto, everyday person point of view...the more features and useability Vericoin has the more chance it has at being a useable currency.

[Wreathy]

Take you seriously because?.

Since I had already wasted my time, here it is:

Damn right.

But you and a the rabid, myopic idiots will never see the light.

Instead you are selling this shit to people and expect Jane and Joe Sixpack to even consider it: https://www.vericoin.info/

No need to add a thing...

Being evasive is a dominant trait of yours.  

We are supposed to take you seriously because?.

Calling 3 adult people stooges, and many insults littered throughout your postings.

You once said you would bring something to the table far superior to what others could produce.

You came up with the above image, recieved negative feedback and the history of chat shows the change in attitude.

Are you here because you want to see failure?.

You tasked it upon your self to go ahead with WVD, and you failed spectacularly at it.

So do you bring positives or negatives, simple yes or no will suffice.

[barabbas]

And just as I was typing this you posted three more times...all negative and none productive rantings and ramblings. I rest my case...

Actually Barrabas is right about Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS. All are completely useless functions and certainly don't put vericoin in the league of innovative coins. No wonder the statistic indicates the three features have 9 users worldwide (from the 9 users 3 are the developers). Hardly creative and innovative ideas like Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS are not good enough, no wonder the price is 9k.

And what other coins have useful features in the real world besides bitcoin? This is a long-term play...

You need to pull your head out of crypto and look at this from non crypto, everyday person point of view...the more features and useability Vericoin has the more chance it has at being a useable currency.

"usable", ok? Freaking illiterate loud mouths...

[MAD945]

And just as I was typing this you posted three more times...all negative and none productive rantings and ramblings. I rest my case...

Actually Barrabas is right about Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS. All are completely useless functions and certainly don't put vericoin in the league of innovative coins. No wonder the statistic indicates the three features have 9 users worldwide (from the 9 users 3 are the developers). Hardly creative and innovative ideas like Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS are not good enough, no wonder the price is 9k.

And what other coins have useful features in the real world besides bitcoin? This is a long-term play...

You need to pull your head out of crypto and look at this from non crypto, everyday person point of view...the more features and useability Vericoin has the more chance it has at being a useable currency.

"usable", ok? Freaking illiterate loud mouths...

That's all you got barabbass? Picking out a spelling mistake? You have multiple spelling and grammar errors your posts...don't see me picking those apart.

How about addressing the question?

[barabbas]

Take you seriously because?.

Since I had already wasted my time, here it is:

Damn right.

But you and a the rabid, myopic idiots will never see the light.

Instead you are selling this shit to people and expect Jane and Joe Sixpack to even consider it: https://www.vericoin.info/

No need to add a thing...

Being evasive is a dominant trait of yours.  

We are supposed to take you seriously because?.

Calling 3 adult people stooges, and many insults littered throughout your postings.

You once said you would bring something to the table far superior to what others could produce.

You came up with the above image, recieved negative feedback and the history of chat shows the change in attitude.

Are you here because you want to see failure?.

You tasked it upon your self to go ahead with WVD, and you failed spectacularly at it.

So do you bring positives or negatives, simple yes or no will suffice.

I didn't "task myself" with anything of that short. I stated that by Monday I would have the CONTENT of what would be the meat of the WVD. When Shinraven put his foot in his mouth -again- pretending that I have backed up and will not deliver, in spite of the fact that I had posted and long before decided that, since no enthusiastic support from the devs, which was a requirement, was forthcoming, I would not participate any longer in project WVD, I decided to post the raw content of the pamphlet that I hadn't even proof-read and that took all of 5 minutes to put together, days before. Get it now?

Still, by leaps and bounds, even in it's rawest form, stands out as a clear message with obvious positive results if even minimally distributed in the real world.
And that's a much, much, much bigger chance of anything remotely close to success -on a quite different scale- that Vericoin will ever have otherwise.

Capisce now?

But you should not bother your little head with so far superior thoughts. You'll be much more at ease down at veritalk chanting hurrahs all the way down to three digits. And then delisting. Which is where Vericoin's train wreck is heading in the current direction.

But just a thought the may eventually sink (though I doubt it), when a train is accelerating and adding as much fuel as possible towards an evident precipice (we are already very, very clearly on the steep way down), what do you think is really positive, a change of direction at the next switch or keep on chanting hurrahs while accelerating on the current direction? No need to answer that by the way.

[barabbas]

And just as I was typing this you posted three more times...all negative and none productive rantings and ramblings. I rest my case...

Actually Barrabas is right about Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS. All are completely useless functions and certainly don't put vericoin in the league of innovative coins. No wonder the statistic indicates the three features have 9 users worldwide (from the 9 users 3 are the developers). Hardly creative and innovative ideas like Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS are not good enough, no wonder the price is 9k.

And what other coins have useful features in the real world besides bitcoin? This is a long-term play...

You need to pull your head out of crypto and look at this from non crypto, everyday person point of view...the more features and useability Vericoin has the more chance it has at being a useable currency.

"usable", ok? Freaking illiterate loud mouths...

That's all you got barabbass? Picking out a spelling mistake? You have multiple spelling and grammar errors your posts...don't see me picking those apart.

How about addressing the question?

There are so many I would have to make a list of at last 20 other coins, quite probably many more. It is a very stupid question, I am afraid, for you know the answer yourself only too well.

In separate aspects, you can even put Vericoin in the same league with other coins out there, technically. Quite a few of them. On generic clones, like Vericoin is, I don't even know 10% of what's out there and still I could list several, quite a few indeed, which have much more usability than Vericoin... oh, before you come up with the inevitable, stupid otherwise, follow up, some are: Next, peer, pink, rdd, blackcoin -yep, the scam is ALSO a much superior product than Vericoin-, Naut... I could go on for quite a while, you now. And that, I repeat, is not mentioning the several -more than 3, many more- that are technically so superior to VRC that is like talking kids at school compared with NBA at the very top, get the metaphor?

Oh and it wasn't just a REPEATED spelling mistake, it was proof of ignorance, which is altogether a very different -and way more worrysome- thing.

[warr1979]

All I see on my screen is this user has been ignored.  People leave them alone they will get bored.  Focus forward!!

[altcoinUK]

And just as I was typing this you posted three more times...all negative and none productive rantings and ramblings. I rest my case...

Actually Barrabas is right about Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS. All are completely useless functions and certainly don't put vericoin in the league of innovative coins. No wonder the statistic indicates the three features have 9 users worldwide (from the 9 users 3 are the developers). Hardly creative and innovative ideas like Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS are not good enough, no wonder the price is 9k.

And what other coins have useful features in the real world besides bitcoin? This is a long-term play...

You need to pull your head out of crypto and look at this from non crypto, everyday person point of view...the more features and useability Vericoin has the more chance it has at being a useable currency.

Well, obviously I can't prove you're wrong about that. I guess we just have a different view on what makes a coin successful. I don't think  Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS can make a coin successful. But of course, this is just pure speculation, just as you speculate that that such features can propel a coin. Therefore, better to rely on the ultimate test: the market. The market has spoken and don't like the direction - that's why the price is 9k. CLOAK which had the same price as vericoin at the end of June currently 4 times as valuable as vericoin today, VIACOIN that had the same price 4 weeks ago as vericoin currently more than 3 times as valuable as vericoin. So obviously not the seasonal investment volume issue is the real problem, even EffectsToCause always blame the summer for the low price.

The devs are here for the dollar and the only reason their CVs are in the public domain is to convince investors to buy the coin. Therefore, if they needed the investment, I believe it is reasonable to expect they do a better job (actually any job would be great because they not delivered anything in the last 9 weeks). I am not sure if you noticed, but there are at least 2 new people write in this thread every day who have never visited here before to tell the same story over and over: these real people aren't FUDders, they bought the coin for real money at 30k-50k by reading Pnosker tweets and EffectsToCause posts about the bright future. The disappointment of the investors is not FUD, and I think the problems and possible solutions need to be discussed.

[altcoinUK]

All I see on my screen is this user has been ignored.  People leave them alone they will get bored.  Focus forward!!

Hardcore cheerleaders and cult members like yourself like to ignore the reality. That's why you actually not helping vericoin in moving forward, even you try to focus so hard as your post indicates that.

[MAD945]

And just as I was typing this you posted three more times...all negative and none productive rantings and ramblings. I rest my case...

Actually Barrabas is right about Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS. All are completely useless functions and certainly don't put vericoin in the league of innovative coins. No wonder the statistic indicates the three features have 9 users worldwide (from the 9 users 3 are the developers). Hardly creative and innovative ideas like Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS are not good enough, no wonder the price is 9k.

And what other coins have useful features in the real world besides bitcoin? This is a long-term play...

You need to pull your head out of crypto and look at this from non crypto, everyday person point of view...the more features and useability Vericoin has the more chance it has at being a useable currency.

Well, obviously I can't prove you're wrong about that. I guess we just have a different view on what makes a coin successful. I don't think  Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS can make a coin successful. But of course, this is just pure speculation, just as you speculate that that such features can propel a coin. Therefore, better to rely on the ultimate test: the market. The market has spoken and don't like the direction - that's why the price is 9k. CLOAK which had the same price as vericoin at the end June currently 4 times as valuable as vericoin today, VIACOIN that had the same price 4 weeks ago as vericoin currently more than 3 times as valuable as vericoin. So obviously not the seasonal investment volume issue is the real problem, even EffectsToCause always blame the summer for the low price.

The devs are here for the dollar and the only reason their CVs are in the public domain is to convince investors to buy the coin. Therefore, if they needed the investment, I believe it is reasonable to expect they do a better job (actually any job would be great because they not delivered anything in the last 9 weeks). I am not sure if you noticed, but there are at least 2 new people write in this thread every day who have never visited here before to tell the same story over and over: these real people aren't FUDders, they bought the coin for real money at 30k-50k by reading Pnosker tweets and EffectsToCause posts about the bright future. The disappointment of the investors is not FUD, and I think the problems and possible solutions need to be discussed.

Thank you for your well thought out response...much respect for your point of view. Why can't this forum be filled with civil and constructive discussion instead of feeding the hate machine know as barabass.

While barabass was spewing his hateful and non constructive rants there was a serious discussion of Dev4 (project Juggernaut) in IRC, a planned meeting will happen between Dev4 and the Vericoin developers soon. To discuss him possibly joining the team...

Pat, Doug and Dave will meet with him to see what he has to offer...he has dropped his intial offer of 1 million VRC to 500k VRC and payment would only be given when certain goals and projects have been completed.

The Vericoin Developers have stated that this is the communities coin and if we want to bring something to the table they are all for it. People have already offered to put forward a large amount of the required VRC to make this project a reality including myself.

Put your money where your mouth is barabass!

[souljah1h]

[barabbas]

And just as I was typing this you posted three more times...all negative and none productive rantings and ramblings. I rest my case...

Actually Barrabas is right about Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS. All are completely useless functions and certainly don't put vericoin in the league of innovative coins. No wonder the statistic indicates the three features have 9 users worldwide (from the 9 users 3 are the developers). Hardly creative and innovative ideas like Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS are not good enough, no wonder the price is 9k.

And what other coins have useful features in the real world besides bitcoin? This is a long-term play...

You need to pull your head out of crypto and look at this from non crypto, everyday person point of view...the more features and useability Vericoin has the more chance it has at being a useable currency.

Well, obviously I can't prove you're wrong about that. I guess we just have a different view on what makes a coin successful. I don't think  Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS can make a coin successful. But of course, this is just pure speculation, just as you speculate that that such features can propel a coin. Therefore, better to rely on the ultimate test: the market. The market has spoken and don't like the direction - that's why the price is 9k. CLOAK which had the same price as vericoin at the end June currently 4 times as valuable as vericoin today, VIACOIN that had the same price 4 weeks ago as vericoin currently more than 3 times as valuable as vericoin. So obviously not the seasonal investment volume issue is the real problem, even EffectsToCause always blame the summer for the low price.

The devs are here for the dollar and the only reason their CVs are in the public domain is to convince investors to buy the coin. Therefore, if they needed the investment, I believe it is reasonable to expect they do a better job (actually any job would be great because they not delivered anything in the last 9 weeks). I am not sure if you noticed, but there are at least 2 new people write in this thread every day who have never visited here before to tell the same story over and over: these real people aren't FUDders, they bought the coin for real money at 30k-50k by reading Pnosker tweets and EffectsToCause posts about the bright future. The disappointment of the investors is not FUD, and I think the problems and possible solutions need to be discussed.

Thank you for your well thought out response...much respect for your point of view. Why can't this forum be filled with civil and constructive discussion instead of feeding the hate machine know as barabass.

While barabass was spewing his hateful and non constructive rants there was a serious discussion of Dev4 (project Juggernaut) in IRC, a planned meeting will happen between Dev4 and the Vericoin developers soon. To discuss him possibly joining the team...

Pat, Doug and Dave will meet with him to see what he has to offer...he has dropped his intial offer of 1 million VRC to 500k VRC and payment would only be given when certain goals and projects have been completed.

The Vericoin Developers have stated that this is the communities coin and if we want to bring something to the table they are all for it. People have already offered to put forward a large amount of the required VRC to make this project a reality including myself.

Put your money where your mouth is barabass!

I ALWAYS put my money were my mouth is. ALWAYS. And my efforts too. Which, obviously, don't mean, even remotely, pipe dreams such as this Juggernaut thing is.

While ANYTHING at all is much better -only by comparison, of course- to the absolute nothingness that we currently have, like I have stated many times, VRC does not NEED anything else... but setting a logical, common sense source of action. If AFTER setting that clear path, a new dev is needed -and it is in my belief- I am all for it. But first things first: Get the most of the very few assets you have. THEN and ONLY then, reach out for new heights.

As I have stated before, the whole Juggernaut scheme, as presented, is not just bogus it is thoroughly idiotic and bound to disappoint even the most hopeful of supporters. There's no developer who can guarantee any price increase, I don't know who he is. That's simple reality. So selling the pen that way is simply stupid, sorry. Now, if there's a developer that really "gets it" and is willing to work for free and to be paid for results, I obviously am all for it. But clearly, as it is. No ifs, no buts. I don't believe such an individual exists. I believe Juggernaut is just another loudmouth with not a single chance of moving VRC on inch in the right direction. But I'd very much like to be proven wrong.

And, as stated by others already -and suggested by me in the first place- Nosker and the proposer of Juggernaut ALONE have already pledged 100k VRC. They alone -maybe with the help of Doug and Dave and a couple cheerleaders, can sustain that bet, fronting up the bail for this bet, since there's absolutely no risk involved. They don't need either my money or my support: The guy delivers -and at the current prices, practically anything sensible would easily improve the price by 20-50%, it's that easy-, he gest his half million and the backers get not only much bigger payment in the value of their remaining portfolios but, if they decide to cash in, they can wash out their contributions and book significant profits even with just a small part of their holdings. No need for community donations for this. At all.

So all for Juggernaut on those terms. AND convinced that a reasonable goal, such as 20-40% would be achieved almost instantly from these current levels ... only to be severely sold off and back to square one, mind you. I just saw the film again (take a look at the "Black is Back" title, if you will, in the last few days). So go ahead and do it. It won't be bad at all, it can only be good. And since we all will sell big time into it, we all will benefit.

Now, if I am wrong, and the momentum picks up and this gets back to the 20s, all the more reason to celebrate and for the veritalk "crowd" to shout hurrahs.

The way I see it, it is, as posted before, win-win-win and THEN win situation. Not because it is anything to be optimistic about it in and out of itself but because of the dire situation we are locked into.

And, again, it doesn't need my money at all.