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July 10, 2015, 04:42:33 PM
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Peter is definitely part of the problem.  so it's not surprising that iCEBlow holds him up as one of his Daddy's.

his problem is that he's had a problem with Gavin going back years on end so his current position on opposing Gavin's ideas are unsurprising.  it's just all the other whoring he does on Reddit and Twitter that really make one suspicious.   he's a much smarter version of Tim Swanson.

Your problem is that you've had a problem with gmax going back years on end, so your current position opposing all of the core devs' ideas is unsurprising.  It's just all the whoring you do on Bitcointalk and Reddit, that make one suspicious.  You're a much smarter version of Jorge Stolfi.

Peter is part of the reason Bitcoin has a good chance of successfully scaling to 1MB.

What has your African boy fetishism done for Bitcoin?   Huh

i've already gone thru why i disagree strongly with gmax:

1. his handling of the PressCenter.org debacle-he still claims he was right after the fork won.
2. his whining about mining centralization
3. his general bearishness on Bitcoin
4. his views on consensus
5. his formation of Blockstream involving 9 of the top core dev committers with him as CEO.
6. his obstruction of the block size increase.

he's the only one of the core dev i've ever had "problems" with.  the above lists merely differences in ideology anyway.

you really don't care about getting your facts straight heh?

Adam Back is CEO

there are at most 6 Bitcoin core contributors on Blockstream`s team. probably 3 of them would qualify ast "top committers"

sorry:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3aykzr/btcchina_we_think_gavins_proposal_is_a/csh6szr

Ah I see, that's how you wanna play it. Well then 9 out of 300+ contributors. I don't see the problem

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July 10, 2015, 04:59:26 PM
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Care to make a wager, iCEBREAKER?  1 BTC that the longest proof-of-work chain contains a block larger than 1 MB by this time next year (10-Jul-2016).
If you lose, I want real Bitcoin.  If you win, expect to be paid in doublespent Gavincoins.   Cool

Did you just agree to the bet?  I can't tell.  

We'd both deposit 1 BTC to a multisig address (3rd key held by neutral party).  If the chain forks, the winner would automatically have coins spendable on both sides.  

You can't tell because you edited out the part of my post which answered your question:
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Does ^that^ help, or do you require pictorial aids like dear old befuddled Doctor Frappuccino?   Cheesy

I just wanted you to say "no, I don't want to bet against the block size limit increasing within the next year (since it likely will)"  Wink

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 Huh

Why are you in every thread whoring for attention?

Is it not sunny in Davao today? Go outside and have a SML or Pilsen, whichever you prefer.. would ya?

edit: oops, almost forgot it's a little late there  Cheesy

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July 10, 2015, 05:26:15 PM
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I just wanted you to say "no, I don't want to bet against the block size limit increasing within the next year (since it likely will)"  Wink

Sorry, this season of All My Bitcoins is about the "best" block size.

Next year, XT is the villain and there is briefly some FUD about whether it or QT is the "real" Bitcoin.

/spoilers

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July 10, 2015, 05:54:34 PM
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I just wanted you to say "no, I don't want to bet against the block size limit increasing within the next year (since it likely will)"  Wink

Sorry, this season of All My Bitcoins is about the "best" block size.

Next year, XT is the villain and there is briefly some FUD about whether it or QT is the "real" Bitcoin.

/spoilers

Please let's not get to calling it 'QT' for the coming battles.  That is simply the name of one of the graphical display technologies used for a pointless shell which chose to Gavin focused his energies on back years ago when he did much of anything.

Better marketing minds than mine need to come up with a name which indicates that we're talking about the protocol which was used for the first half-decade of Bitcoin's existence and represents one branch after the hard-fork.  Hopefully ultimately the dominant one of course.


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So your take is that devs are going full "political" rather than technical? (serious question)

If yes, what's the way to unlock this impasse?
Exactly. The heavy political bent of the core developers was obvious to me since I joined this forum. I just underestimated the amount of internal tension and mutual distrust within that group until the March 2013 event.

My proposal was published late 2011 and I always wear it in my signature:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54382.0

In one sentence:

Don't sign political slogans like "Chancellor on the brink...", sign the "digital prospectus" specifying exactly the rules of consensus and explicitly track their inevitable changes as the world evolves, including through the splits and joins that form a DAG (directed acyclic graph), not just forks.

Posted in this thread couple of days ago:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68655.msg11664787#msg11664787


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July 10, 2015, 06:18:24 PM
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follow this conversation and you'll realize who and what we're having to deal with:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3agk61/ultimate_bitcoin_stress_test_monday_june_22nd/cscgdwy

 Huh

What's wrong here?

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follow this conversation and you'll realize who and what we're having to deal with:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3agk61/ultimate_bitcoin_stress_test_monday_june_22nd/cscgdwy

 Huh

What's wrong here?

block size decrease.  really?
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July 10, 2015, 07:11:01 PM
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I just wanted you to say "no, I don't want to bet against the block size limit increasing within the next year (since it likely will)"  Wink

Sorry, this season of All My Bitcoins is about the "best" block size.

Next year, XT is the villain and there is briefly some FUD about whether it or QT is the "real" Bitcoin.

/spoilers

What is the real bitcoin will be clear after just a few blocks, maybe 20.

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July 10, 2015, 07:20:08 PM
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That venezuelans can not afford a 25 cent transaction cost is bogous on several levels. They give teenagers butt-extensions as graduation gifts there, for krissake. And M-Pesa has both a transaction cost and a redraw-cost in the order of 1%. Then there is the government gang, who takes 10 cent per transaction. That could be kenya shilling cents, I could not be bothered to check. Anyway, they still use mpesa for small transactions, like crazy. We can compete, especially with larger blocks in place.

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July 10, 2015, 07:20:42 PM
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I just wanted you to say "no, I don't want to bet against the block size limit increasing within the next year (since it likely will)"  Wink

Sorry, this season of All My Bitcoins is about the "best" block size.

Next year, XT is the villain and there is briefly some FUD about whether it or QT is the "real" Bitcoin.

/spoilers

What is the real bitcoin will be clear after just a few blocks, maybe 20.


Its obvious he doesn't want to bet because he knows he will loose.  Good job Peter.

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July 10, 2015, 07:27:46 PM
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I just wanted you to say "no, I don't want to bet against the block size limit increasing within the next year (since it likely will)"  Wink

Sorry, this season of All My Bitcoins is about the "best" block size.

Next year, XT is the villain and there is briefly some FUD about whether it or QT is the "real" Bitcoin.

/spoilers

What is the real bitcoin will be clear after just a few blocks, maybe 20.


Its obvious he doesn't want to bet because he knows he will loose.  Good job Peter.

Here is an idea for the first 1.1M block to dip the toe in the cold water: Use one of the 1 transactions blocks, just fill it with some poetry, the natural law, or some absurd statements from the central bankers or something. It might cost the miner 25 coins, but at least he saves the work to arrange a transaction list.

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July 10, 2015, 07:29:16 PM
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Next year, XT is the villain and there is briefly some FUD about whether it or QT is the "real" Bitcoin.

What is the real bitcoin will be clear after just a few blocks, maybe 20.


You are entitled to your opinion.   Cool

The difference between bad and well-developed digital cash will determine whether we have a dictatorship or a real democracy.  David Chaum 1996
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Fungibility provides privacy as a side effect.  Adam Back 2014

Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016
Blocks must necessarily be full for the Bitcoin network to be able to pay for its own security.  davout 2015
Blocksize is an intentionally limited resource, like the 21e6 BTC limit.  Changing it degrades the surrounding economics, creating negative incentives.  Jeff Garzik 2013


The raison d'être of bitcoin is trustlessness. - Eric Lombrozo 2015
It is an Engineering Requirement that Bitcoin be “Above the Law”  Paul Sztorc 2015
Resiliency, not efficiency, is the paramount goal of decentralized, non-state sanctioned currency -Jon Matonis 2015

Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016

Technology tends to move in the direction of making surveillance easier, and the ability of computers to track us doubles every eighteen months. - Phil Zimmerman 2013

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July 10, 2015, 07:31:18 PM
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Next year, XT is the villain and there is briefly some FUD about whether it or QT is the "real" Bitcoin.

What is the real bitcoin will be clear after just a few blocks, maybe 20.


You are entitled to your opinion.   Cool

Remember everything you wrote in the Mad Max thread iCe. I will be calling you out soon on it when you are proven wrong in spades.

I warned you my time was coming and I would not be wrong.

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I just wanted you to say "no, I don't want to bet against the block size limit increasing within the next year (since it likely will)"  Wink

Sorry, this season of All My Bitcoins is about the "best" block size.

Next year, XT is the villain and there is briefly some FUD about whether it or QT is the "real" Bitcoin.

/spoilers

What is the real bitcoin will be clear after just a few blocks, maybe 20.


Its obvious he doesn't want to bet because he knows he will loose.  Good job Peter.

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the congestion really has only just begun.  if it persists, yes, ppl will start to stop using Bitcoin.  the exit starts slowly at first and then will morph into a stampede; especially if the price starts plunging.  the mempool is a problem that does have to be fixed so that ordinary users can start getting their tx's through.  they won't be as patient as some of us here.

Hi doc.  I can't help but notice with each passing day you sound more like a Buttcoiner.


No, with each passing day you sound more like a stalker. You are not able to attract people on your own thread.
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July 10, 2015, 07:35:05 PM
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I just wanted you to say "no, I don't want to bet against the block size limit increasing within the next year (since it likely will)"  Wink

Sorry, this season of All My Bitcoins is about the "best" block size.

Next year, XT is the villain and there is briefly some FUD about whether it or QT is the "real" Bitcoin.

/spoilers

What is the real bitcoin will be clear after just a few blocks, maybe 20.


Its obvious he doesn't want to bet because he knows he will loose.  Good job Peter.

It's obvious the terms of the bet are ambiguous (Core vs XT will both claim to be the "real" Bitcoin), and I explained why the limit might be changed for some good reason (fiat dies and Sidechains suddenly rule the world), but not for the controversial, exaggerated reasons given at present.

The difference between bad and well-developed digital cash will determine whether we have a dictatorship or a real democracy.  David Chaum 1996
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MoneroForCash.com  |  Buy and sell XMR near you  |  Easymonero.com  |  Bitsquare.io - Decentralized XMR Exchange  |  Buy XMR with fiat
Fungibility provides privacy as a side effect.  Adam Back 2014

Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016
Blocks must necessarily be full for the Bitcoin network to be able to pay for its own security.  davout 2015
Blocksize is an intentionally limited resource, like the 21e6 BTC limit.  Changing it degrades the surrounding economics, creating negative incentives.  Jeff Garzik 2013


The raison d'être of bitcoin is trustlessness. - Eric Lombrozo 2015
It is an Engineering Requirement that Bitcoin be “Above the Law”  Paul Sztorc 2015
Resiliency, not efficiency, is the paramount goal of decentralized, non-state sanctioned currency -Jon Matonis 2015

Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016

Technology tends to move in the direction of making surveillance easier, and the ability of computers to track us doubles every eighteen months. - Phil Zimmerman 2013

The only way to make software secure, reliable, and fast is to make it small. Fight Features. - Andy Tanenbaum 2004
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July 10, 2015, 07:35:38 PM
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the congestion really has only just begun.  if it persists, yes, ppl will start to stop using Bitcoin.  the exit starts slowly at first and then will morph into a stampede; especially if the price starts plunging.  the mempool is a problem that does have to be fixed so that ordinary users can start getting their tx's through.  they won't be as patient as some of us here.

Hi doc.  I can't help but notice with each passing day you sound more like a Buttcoiner.


No, with each passing day you sound more like a stalker. You are not able to attract people on your own thread.

Is that all that Bitcoin has become is a contest of who can mobilize male boredom?

Armchair masturbation 24 x 7 is very productive.

Note I will be deleting these noise posts.

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iCEBlow is all Blow and no iCE  Grin

Sounds like you are an expert on both.  Undecided

BOO!!!

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the congestion really has only just begun.  if it persists, yes, ppl will start to stop using Bitcoin.  the exit starts slowly at first and then will morph into a stampede; especially if the price starts plunging.  the mempool is a problem that does have to be fixed so that ordinary users can start getting their tx's through.  they won't be as patient as some of us here.

Hi doc.  I can't help but notice with each passing day you sound more like a Buttcoiner.


No, with each passing day you sound more like a stalker. You are not able to attract people on your own thread.

And last week you were saying how much you like my posts bumping your thread to the top.  Are you allergic to logical consistency or what?

No one is forcing you to read my posts, this thread, or this forum.  You are free to use the Ignore button, or perhaps go play some golf.

This thread isn't moderated, but you may create one that is if you don't want to be pestered by people noting you sound exactly like a Buttcoiner, except say "Cripplecoin" instead.

The difference between bad and well-developed digital cash will determine whether we have a dictatorship or a real democracy.  David Chaum 1996
"Monero" : { Private - Auditable - 100% Fungible - Flexible Blocksize - Wild & Free® - Intro - Core GUI - Podcats - Roadmap - Dice - Blackjack - Github - Android }
MoneroForCash.com  |  Buy and sell XMR near you  |  Easymonero.com  |  Bitsquare.io - Decentralized XMR Exchange  |  Buy XMR with fiat
Fungibility provides privacy as a side effect.  Adam Back 2014

Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016
Blocks must necessarily be full for the Bitcoin network to be able to pay for its own security.  davout 2015
Blocksize is an intentionally limited resource, like the 21e6 BTC limit.  Changing it degrades the surrounding economics, creating negative incentives.  Jeff Garzik 2013


The raison d'être of bitcoin is trustlessness. - Eric Lombrozo 2015
It is an Engineering Requirement that Bitcoin be “Above the Law”  Paul Sztorc 2015
Resiliency, not efficiency, is the paramount goal of decentralized, non-state sanctioned currency -Jon Matonis 2015

Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016

Technology tends to move in the direction of making surveillance easier, and the ability of computers to track us doubles every eighteen months. - Phil Zimmerman 2013

The only way to make software secure, reliable, and fast is to make it small. Fight Features. - Andy Tanenbaum 2004
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