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Question: Will you support Gavin's new block size limit hard fork of 8MB by January 1, 2016 then doubling every 2 years?
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July 10, 2015, 05:26:15 PM
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I just wanted you to say "no, I don't want to bet against the block size limit increasing within the next year (since it likely will)"  Wink

Sorry, this season of All My Bitcoins is about the "best" block size.

Next year, XT is the villain and there is briefly some FUD about whether it or QT is the "real" Bitcoin.

/spoilers


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July 10, 2015, 05:54:34 PM
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I just wanted you to say "no, I don't want to bet against the block size limit increasing within the next year (since it likely will)"  Wink

Sorry, this season of All My Bitcoins is about the "best" block size.

Next year, XT is the villain and there is briefly some FUD about whether it or QT is the "real" Bitcoin.

/spoilers

Please let's not get to calling it 'QT' for the coming battles.  That is simply the name of one of the graphical display technologies used for a pointless shell which chose to Gavin focused his energies on back years ago when he did much of anything.

Better marketing minds than mine need to come up with a name which indicates that we're talking about the protocol which was used for the first half-decade of Bitcoin's existence and represents one branch after the hard-fork.  Hopefully ultimately the dominant one of course.


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July 10, 2015, 05:55:52 PM
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So your take is that devs are going full "political" rather than technical? (serious question)

If yes, what's the way to unlock this impasse?
Exactly. The heavy political bent of the core developers was obvious to me since I joined this forum. I just underestimated the amount of internal tension and mutual distrust within that group until the March 2013 event.

My proposal was published late 2011 and I always wear it in my signature:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54382.0

In one sentence:

Don't sign political slogans like "Chancellor on the brink...", sign the "digital prospectus" specifying exactly the rules of consensus and explicitly track their inevitable changes as the world evolves, including through the splits and joins that form a DAG (directed acyclic graph), not just forks.

Posted in this thread couple of days ago:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68655.msg11664787#msg11664787


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July 10, 2015, 06:18:24 PM
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follow this conversation and you'll realize who and what we're having to deal with:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3agk61/ultimate_bitcoin_stress_test_monday_june_22nd/cscgdwy

 Huh

What's wrong here?

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July 10, 2015, 07:04:35 PM
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follow this conversation and you'll realize who and what we're having to deal with:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3agk61/ultimate_bitcoin_stress_test_monday_june_22nd/cscgdwy

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What's wrong here?

block size decrease.  really?
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July 10, 2015, 07:11:01 PM
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I just wanted you to say "no, I don't want to bet against the block size limit increasing within the next year (since it likely will)"  Wink

Sorry, this season of All My Bitcoins is about the "best" block size.

Next year, XT is the villain and there is briefly some FUD about whether it or QT is the "real" Bitcoin.

/spoilers

What is the real bitcoin will be clear after just a few blocks, maybe 20.

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July 10, 2015, 07:20:08 PM
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That venezuelans can not afford a 25 cent transaction cost is bogous on several levels. They give teenagers butt-extensions as graduation gifts there, for krissake. And M-Pesa has both a transaction cost and a redraw-cost in the order of 1%. Then there is the government gang, who takes 10 cent per transaction. That could be kenya shilling cents, I could not be bothered to check. Anyway, they still use mpesa for small transactions, like crazy. We can compete, especially with larger blocks in place.

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July 10, 2015, 07:20:42 PM
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I just wanted you to say "no, I don't want to bet against the block size limit increasing within the next year (since it likely will)"  Wink

Sorry, this season of All My Bitcoins is about the "best" block size.

Next year, XT is the villain and there is briefly some FUD about whether it or QT is the "real" Bitcoin.

/spoilers

What is the real bitcoin will be clear after just a few blocks, maybe 20.


Its obvious he doesn't want to bet because he knows he will loose.  Good job Peter.

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July 10, 2015, 07:27:46 PM
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I just wanted you to say "no, I don't want to bet against the block size limit increasing within the next year (since it likely will)"  Wink

Sorry, this season of All My Bitcoins is about the "best" block size.

Next year, XT is the villain and there is briefly some FUD about whether it or QT is the "real" Bitcoin.

/spoilers

What is the real bitcoin will be clear after just a few blocks, maybe 20.


Its obvious he doesn't want to bet because he knows he will loose.  Good job Peter.

Here is an idea for the first 1.1M block to dip the toe in the cold water: Use one of the 1 transactions blocks, just fill it with some poetry, the natural law, or some absurd statements from the central bankers or something. It might cost the miner 25 coins, but at least he saves the work to arrange a transaction list.

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July 10, 2015, 07:29:16 PM
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Next year, XT is the villain and there is briefly some FUD about whether it or QT is the "real" Bitcoin.

What is the real bitcoin will be clear after just a few blocks, maybe 20.


You are entitled to your opinion.   Cool


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July 10, 2015, 07:31:18 PM
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Next year, XT is the villain and there is briefly some FUD about whether it or QT is the "real" Bitcoin.

What is the real bitcoin will be clear after just a few blocks, maybe 20.


You are entitled to your opinion.   Cool

Remember everything you wrote in the Mad Max thread iCe. I will be calling you out soon on it when you are proven wrong in spades.

I warned you my time was coming and I would not be wrong.

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July 10, 2015, 07:33:03 PM
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I just wanted you to say "no, I don't want to bet against the block size limit increasing within the next year (since it likely will)"  Wink

Sorry, this season of All My Bitcoins is about the "best" block size.

Next year, XT is the villain and there is briefly some FUD about whether it or QT is the "real" Bitcoin.

/spoilers

What is the real bitcoin will be clear after just a few blocks, maybe 20.


Its obvious he doesn't want to bet because he knows he will loose.  Good job Peter.

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July 10, 2015, 07:34:27 PM
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the congestion really has only just begun.  if it persists, yes, ppl will start to stop using Bitcoin.  the exit starts slowly at first and then will morph into a stampede; especially if the price starts plunging.  the mempool is a problem that does have to be fixed so that ordinary users can start getting their tx's through.  they won't be as patient as some of us here.

Hi doc.  I can't help but notice with each passing day you sound more like a Buttcoiner.


No, with each passing day you sound more like a stalker. You are not able to attract people on your own thread.
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July 10, 2015, 07:35:05 PM
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I just wanted you to say "no, I don't want to bet against the block size limit increasing within the next year (since it likely will)"  Wink

Sorry, this season of All My Bitcoins is about the "best" block size.

Next year, XT is the villain and there is briefly some FUD about whether it or QT is the "real" Bitcoin.

/spoilers

What is the real bitcoin will be clear after just a few blocks, maybe 20.


Its obvious he doesn't want to bet because he knows he will loose.  Good job Peter.

It's obvious the terms of the bet are ambiguous (Core vs XT will both claim to be the "real" Bitcoin), and I explained why the limit might be changed for some good reason (fiat dies and Sidechains suddenly rule the world), but not for the controversial, exaggerated reasons given at present.


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July 10, 2015, 07:35:38 PM
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the congestion really has only just begun.  if it persists, yes, ppl will start to stop using Bitcoin.  the exit starts slowly at first and then will morph into a stampede; especially if the price starts plunging.  the mempool is a problem that does have to be fixed so that ordinary users can start getting their tx's through.  they won't be as patient as some of us here.

Hi doc.  I can't help but notice with each passing day you sound more like a Buttcoiner.


No, with each passing day you sound more like a stalker. You are not able to attract people on your own thread.

Is that all that Bitcoin has become is a contest of who can mobilize male boredom?

Armchair masturbation 24 x 7 is very productive.

Note I will be deleting these noise posts.

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iCEBlow is all Blow and no iCE  Grin

Sounds like you are an expert on both.  Undecided

BOO!!!

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July 10, 2015, 07:44:36 PM
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the congestion really has only just begun.  if it persists, yes, ppl will start to stop using Bitcoin.  the exit starts slowly at first and then will morph into a stampede; especially if the price starts plunging.  the mempool is a problem that does have to be fixed so that ordinary users can start getting their tx's through.  they won't be as patient as some of us here.

Hi doc.  I can't help but notice with each passing day you sound more like a Buttcoiner.


No, with each passing day you sound more like a stalker. You are not able to attract people on your own thread.

And last week you were saying how much you like my posts bumping your thread to the top.  Are you allergic to logical consistency or what?

No one is forcing you to read my posts, this thread, or this forum.  You are free to use the Ignore button, or perhaps go play some golf.

This thread isn't moderated, but you may create one that is if you don't want to be pestered by people noting you sound exactly like a Buttcoiner, except say "Cripplecoin" instead.


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July 10, 2015, 07:47:25 PM
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the congestion really has only just begun.  if it persists, yes, ppl will start to stop using Bitcoin.  the exit starts slowly at first and then will morph into a stampede; especially if the price starts plunging.  the mempool is a problem that does have to be fixed so that ordinary users can start getting their tx's through.  they won't be as patient as some of us here.

Hi doc.  I can't help but notice with each passing day you sound more like a Buttcoiner.


No, with each passing day you sound more like a stalker. You are not able to attract people on your own thread.

And last week you were saying how much you like my posts bumping your thread to the top.  Are you allergic to logical consistency or what?

No one is forcing you to read my posts, this thread, or this forum.  You are free to use the Ignore button, or perhaps go play some golf.

This thread isn't moderated, but you may create one that is if you don't want to be pestered by people noting you sound exactly like a Buttcoiner, except say "Cripplecoin" instead.

your knee jerk mouthy masturbation stops you from even identifying who you're talking to.  you just assume any criticism comes from me while being unable to understand that most ppl around here think you're a thug aka Monero Pimp.  you're here to try and bring me down for the Cripplecoiners.  ain't gonna happen.

go blow more iCE, iCEBlow.
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July 10, 2015, 07:53:06 PM
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the congestion really has only just begun.  if it persists, yes, ppl will start to stop using Bitcoin.  the exit starts slowly at first and then will morph into a stampede; especially if the price starts plunging.  the mempool is a problem that does have to be fixed so that ordinary users can start getting their tx's through.  they won't be as patient as some of us here.

Hi doc.  I can't help but notice with each passing day you sound more like a Buttcoiner.


No, with each passing day you sound more like a stalker. You are not able to attract people on your own thread.

And last week you were saying how much you like my posts bumping your thread to the top.  Are you allergic to logical consistency or what?

No one is forcing you to read my posts, this thread, or this forum.  You are free to use the Ignore button, or perhaps go play some golf.

This thread isn't moderated, but you may create one that is if you don't want to be pestered by people noting you sound exactly like a Buttcoiner, except say "Cripplecoin" instead.

your knee jerk mouthy masturbation stops you from even identifying who you're talking to.  you just assume any criticism comes from me while being unable to understand that most ppl around here think you're a thug aka Monero Pimp.  you're here to try and bring me down for the Cripplecoiners.  ain't gonna happen.

go blow more iCE, iCEBlow.

LOL, he sounded exactly like you!  Are you twins?   Shocked


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July 10, 2015, 07:58:34 PM
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It's obvious the terms of the bet are ambiguous (Core vs XT will both claim to be the "real" Bitcoin)...

It's not ambiguous at all.  I win the bet if, by this time next year, a block larger than 1 MB exists on the longest proof-of-work chain whether that's XT, Core or something else.  You win the bet otherwise.

Care to make a wager, iCEBREAKER?  1 BTC that the longest proof-of-work chain contains a block larger than 1 MB by this time next year (10-Jul-2016).  Escrowed by someone in this thread (2-of-3 multisig), of course.

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