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June 07, 2012, 05:09:55 PM
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Au got down to $1580.  Where did you cover, CD?


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June 07, 2012, 05:13:53 PM
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Au got down to $1580.  Where did you cover, CD?



i didn't.  but i'm going to stop giving out my own positions b/c its useless around here.

i won't get any credit if they win and i'll get alot of hoots and haws if i lose.  no use.
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June 07, 2012, 05:19:46 PM
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Au got down to $1580.  Where did you cover, CD?



i didn't.  but i'm going to stop giving out my own positions b/c its useless around here.

i won't get any credit if they win and i'll get alot of hoots and haws if i lose.  no use.

Keep posting them to your subs!
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June 07, 2012, 05:24:17 PM
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Au got down to $1580.  Where did you cover, CD?
i didn't.  but i'm going to stop giving out my own positions b/c its useless around here.

i won't get any credit if they win and i'll get alot of hoots and haws if i lose.  no use.

Not true.  If you hedged effectively on your short, I personally have some admiration.  I'm not at all a trader so it's an impressive feat which I am incapable of.  OTOH, a big win would also be attenuated it seems to me.  I guess my style is mostly to go all in for the longer haul based on fundamentals.  Neither strategy is either right or wrong I think.  Just depends on the person and his/her situation.

I would suggest that an inarguable example of one of your trading success (that is, one which was stated explicitly ahead of time) in public might induce more people to be interested in your for-pay newsletter.  I have to say that it was a little questionable to publicly announce your short but keep the hedge in your box of tricks to pull out if needed.


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June 07, 2012, 05:26:48 PM
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Au got down to $1580.  Where did you cover, CD?
i didn't.  but i'm going to stop giving out my own positions b/c its useless around here.

i won't get any credit if they win and i'll get alot of hoots and haws if i lose.  no use.

Not true.  If you hedged effectively on your short, I personally have some admiration.  I'm not at all a trader so it's an impressive feat which I am incapable of.  OTOH, a big win would also be attenuated it seems to me.  I guess my style is mostly to go all in for the longer haul based on fundamentals.  Neither strategy is either right or wrong I think.  Just depends on the person and his/her situation.

I would suggest that an inarguable example of one of your trading success (that is, one which was stated explicitly ahead of time) in public might induce more people to be interested in your for-pay newsletter.  I have to say that it was a little questionable to publicly announce your short but keep the hedge in your box of tricks to pull out if needed.



understood.  but my subs know i put that GDXJ long on early last week.  and there are a bunch of them here who would roast me if i lied.

necessarily, i have to keep my best stuff to me and my subs otherwise what do they pay for?  so my discussions here will oftentimes sound incomplete.
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June 07, 2012, 06:11:06 PM
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This may be about as good as it gets for covering PM shorts.

The markets are calling Bernanke on his bluff in this high-stakes poker game. Only ~$30 down on a major announcement Ben, really? Weak. And no real confirmation from other fiat? Sad.

Even though the house has the keys to the vault, it's way outnumbered by the players.

As tvbcof pointed out, credit has been given where due.
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June 07, 2012, 07:10:36 PM
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I'm doubting speculators in gold really wanted to hear the precise words "quantitative easing". What more do they want to hear other than ultra low interest rates until 2014? As has been shown countless of times before, these moves down are often engineered.
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June 07, 2012, 07:34:22 PM
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The Daaash for Digital Caaash!
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June 07, 2012, 08:39:50 PM
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understood.  but my subs know i put that GDXJ long on early last week.  and there are a bunch of them here who would roast me if i lied.

necessarily, i have to keep my best stuff to me and my subs otherwise what do they pay for?  so my discussions here will oftentimes sound incomplete.

Here's an idea:

Take one safe-ish strategy, advertise it publically, and play it.  Then state the win metrics, and also the win metrics for the better plays that you and your subscribers have going.  Like you say, if you are bullshitting, your subscribers will call you on it.

Hell, get a proven string going and even I would be likely to sign up!


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June 07, 2012, 08:43:40 PM
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understood.  but my subs know i put that GDXJ long on early last week.  and there are a bunch of them here who would roast me if i lied.

necessarily, i have to keep my best stuff to me and my subs otherwise what do they pay for?  so my discussions here will oftentimes sound incomplete.

Here's an idea:

Take one safe-ish strategy, advertise it publically, and play it.  Then state the win metrics, and also the win metrics for the better plays that you and your subscribers have going.  Like you say, if you are bullshitting, your subscribers will call you on it.

Hell, get a proven string going and even I would be likely to sign up!



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June 08, 2012, 08:21:38 PM
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The spot prices of gold and silver are about as honest as the non-farm payroll numbers. As someone said the other week, we don't have markets, we have the Truman Show.

I'm sure many here probably already frequent TFMetals Report - the latest post contains an account of last night's raid by 2 people who were trading at the time:

http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/blog/3885/last-desperate-acts

I'm so glad I got into Bitcoin - with all these shenanigans intensifying over the last couple of weeks, Bitcoin has come through unscathed, heck it even strengthened.

I'll just keep stacking my coins - be they gold, silver or bit. And canned hams of course.... gotta stack those hams  Grin

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June 08, 2012, 08:42:49 PM
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Guaranteed to be the last thing on your shelf..
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June 08, 2012, 09:14:36 PM
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LOL, well, that could be a positive of stacking SPAM - you know you won't be eating it unless there's nothing else left  Grin
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June 08, 2012, 10:32:18 PM
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A subtle, yet powerful shift did occur on the 6th after all. It looks like Spain has quietly defaulted, a restructuring to strengthen the Eurozone will be attempted, and Bernanke's bluff has been rebuked. The tide has finally changed.

London Trader - Staggering 515 Tons of (paper) Gold Sold in 4 Hours.

It's looking more like the gold revaluation will happen in stages over the next few years. This phase should see up to $3,000/oz, the next $5,000-7,000, and the final somewhere in excess of $10,000 until fully reintegrated with the financial system.
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June 08, 2012, 10:59:32 PM
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A subtle, yet powerful shift did occur on the 6th after all. It looks like Spain has quietly defaulted, a restructuring to strengthen the Eurozone will be attempted, and Bernanke's bluff has been rebuked. The tide has finally changed.

I was reading CNN Money earlier (I always go there first to see what BS the MSM is spewing) and one of the articles said that stocks were up because rumor has it that Spain will be requesting a bailout this weekend.

So broke sovereign requesting a bailout = stocks up I guess. What an absolute joke.
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June 08, 2012, 11:30:50 PM
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A subtle, yet powerful shift did occur on the 6th after all. It looks like Spain has quietly defaulted, a restructuring to strengthen the Eurozone will be attempted, and Bernanke's bluff has been rebuked. The tide has finally changed.
I was reading CNN Money earlier (I always go there first to see what BS the MSM is spewing) and one of the articles said that stocks were up because rumor has it that Spain will be requesting a bailout this weekend.

So broke sovereign requesting a bailout = stocks up I guess. What an absolute joke.

Is it any wonder nearly the only participants left are the banks and hedgies? Got phyzzz?

In other news, Bitcoin reached $7.24/BTC today - briefly, on CampBX.
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June 08, 2012, 11:59:31 PM
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A subtle, yet powerful shift did occur on the 6th after all. It looks like Spain has quietly defaulted, a restructuring to strengthen the Eurozone will be attempted, and Bernanke's bluff has been rebuked. The tide has finally changed.
I was reading CNN Money earlier (I always go there first to see what BS the MSM is spewing) and one of the articles said that stocks were up because rumor has it that Spain will be requesting a bailout this weekend.

So broke sovereign requesting a bailout = stocks up I guess. What an absolute joke.

Is it any wonder nearly the only participants left are the banks and hedgies? Got phyzzz?

In other news, Bitcoin reached $7.24/BTC today - briefly, on CampBX.


CampBX hardly counts Wink
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June 09, 2012, 03:17:07 AM
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CampBX hardly counts Wink

Not really, but I'm trying to look on the bright side for cypherdoc Smiley

Edit: but then there's talk all over about upward gold revaluation...
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June 11, 2012, 12:55:02 AM
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In addition to the general futures mechanism that shows how the physical gold price cannot decline without incurring debilitating shortages, an in-depth examination of GLD movements highlights the paper side.

In short, derivative creation causes movements to appear slower while the underlying instruments are moving rapidly. The greater the magnitude of derivatives, the longer changes appear to take.
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June 11, 2012, 07:46:23 AM
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Another odd event, this one coming from data on Friday's futures open interest at the Honk Kong Mercantile Exchange. OI nearly quadrupled, reaching heights last seen briefly at the high of November 2011, and twice around the USD$1,600 level just prior to gold's launch to breach $1,900. Meanwhile, volume is way off the charts. A similar situation exists with silver.

Even though the HKMex is tiny compared to COMEX/LBMA, it does have an interesting position being an international PM futures exchange in a region where physical is the primary means of trading gold, not paper. If demand cannot be met in the physical markets, will it spill over into the futures markets to facilitate acquisitions? If so, it's hard to see how the $2,000 mark will last.
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