1. That's great, but I would suggest securing peace first and foremost, and only then looking to whether or not you're happy with the spoils. The longer that takes, the more people will die for no good reason.

2. Sorry that I had to ask, but you kind of deserved it after your answer; and you are just deflecting the argument with this answer, instead of explaining how you expect Palestinians to survive if your suggestion was implemented.

There you go again... there is no one now that doesn't want peace, except Israel and the US.

We can go back in history and we will certainly find plenty of flaws on every side, but that won't help solve the conflict at the moment. And saying that a two state solution should be implemented with the current territory is completely ignoring what I just said about Palestinians being cut off from farmland, water, from access to education and health facilities, places of work, and even each other in some places. Do you even care about them at all?

1. Sure, you have a right to your opinion, just as they have the right to theirs; but to dismiss them without even knowing why they have their position is not a logical stance, and neither is the "might makes right" approach, at least if we want any plans of a peaceful life in the region anytime in the future. Further, as I said before, the proceedings are mostly public and you have access to voting and often reasoning behind votes, so you can easily delve into it if you're interested.

2. If there is a broad understanding that foreign diplomacy/action/intervention will in fact improve the situation and lead to a deescalation of conflict, like in this situation, I see no reason for it not to happen. And yes, every minority counts, be it the Kurds, the Catalans, the Palestinians, or whomever else.

3. But the building of the wall is a conscious choice of annexing land over peace, not a step towards peace.

Further, the wall isn't even complete, so there is no telling how much more land will be taken from Palestinians. And all that assuming Israel won't continue building settlements outside the wall, for which there is no assurance, unfortunately; Israel's constant announcement of further settlements does nothing to help here. Another point that this ignores is the direct effects the wall is already having on Palestinians; at some points the wall cuts them off the farmland they've depended on so far for survival, at others from access to water sources, all of those now conveniently on the Israeli side of the wall.

You don't want a treaty that is unfair for Israel, but is this fair to the Palestinians?

Also, it should be stated that the wall is illegal under international law, especially considering Israel is the occupying power.

1. You don't agree with practically every country's opinion, so you attack their integrity? And you accuse me of using logical fallacies? And, "It's the powerful country opinion that matter"? Right, might makes right... I hoped people would know better by now.

2. The situation is immoral because people's lives are being denigrated and often lost in a needless bloody conflict. It doesn't matter if it is in Israel and Palestine, in South Africa, in Indonesia, in Chechnya, in Australia, or in the US with its now gone native population; it's wrong and we should do anything within our power to stop it, wherever it may happen.

3. What do you mean "find a way to defend themselves"? As I just stated, everyone else wants peace, except the US and Israel. Check it up; that information is public.

All those of an anarcho-capitalist persuasion or their ilk, read no further. You have been warned.


Unfortunately that is not an uncommon situation all throughout southern Europe. But there are a couple of interesting places in which the inhabitants are trying to change things by themselves, step by step.

One such example would be the town of Marinaleda in Spain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marinaleda). It's only a small town, with less than 3000 people, that, faced with lack of employment, housing and other basic necessities, was able to turn it around to full employment, and housing for everyone for €15 a month (though you have to help with the construction process and you can't sell the house afterwards apparently). The process initially involved taking over unused land, and then recruiting unemployed workers to build much needed houses and basic infrastructure.

I guess it's a way to kick start things though scaling it to a larger city would be problematic; but with that much unemployment in your city, do you think you guys could pull something like this off?

A quote from the Marinaleda's Mayor:

1. You might not like the fact that nearly everyone supports a return to the 1967 borders and a peaceful resolution to the conflict, or agree with the reasons that lead to it, but that doesn't make their conclusions invalid; and more to the point, the truth is if both sides are unable to reach a peaceful conclusion by themselves, someone has to step in. I mean, what's the alternative? The conflict continuing until there are no Palestinians left, and Israel takes over everything?

2. The Israelis apparently weren't though, because they quickly caved in to US demands that they stand down.

Have you looked at the map recently? How much more land does Israel want?

In relation to a return to the 1967 borders, you do realize the only countries currently opposing it are pretty much just Israel and the United States, right? The overwhelming majority of the other countries see this as being a fair deal. In fact, UN resolutions either calling for a return to 1967 borders, for Israel to stop the expansion of settlements, or condemning Israel for its use of violence are frequent, and they get something along the lines of about 150 nations in favor of the resolution, 3 or 4 against and a few abstentions.

And by the way, aid or no aid, Israel won't sell their weapons to the Chinese; they tried before and the US made them step back and publicly apologize for it. They, as many others unfortunately, don't dare piss off the US, because they know all too well the likely consequences of any such action.

No, that would probably be the thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603422.0 (post a picture of your city).

In this thread you say what your favorite city is (though for a lot of people that will be the place where they live, for some reason).

Well, that depends on where he lives and how old he is; last I checked, in many countries the age of consent is 13/14 years, so he would probably be safe (if he wasn't just making stuff up to begin with).

Is there a reason why you believe that is, preferably without it including a "because god willed it so"?

Maybe stuff like this is one reason why people are increasingly wary of Israel: "US ‘profoundly troubled’ by brutal beating of Palestine teen who turned out to be American" (http://rt.com/usa/170692-us-palestinian-israel-brutal-beating/)


And as mentioned in the article, the sad part is this wouldn't even hit the news if it turned out that he was just another Palestinian boy. If you're American, keep in mind you're helping this stuff happen on a regular basis to Palestinians.

I think both the caveman and Roman emperor would lead to very short lived experiences of - well, life. Being brutally murdered, poisoned or falling victim to some diseases would really ruin it for you.

Oh, I mostly agree with you there; I personally try to check the news from several sources, and the bias of each becomes quite obvious at times.

But much of the independent media, particularly those that don't receive government or corporate funding, often do a decent job. I mean, they always have their point of view, and none of them will report the facts without putting them into context, which will show their own bias; but I still think his idea has merit.

Well, they said they were only trying to test their facial recognition software, and never thought they would be getting so much pr0n.

Now, if their "good intentions" are bad enough if you like privacy of any kind, there is no reason to believe them at all; I'm sure the present/future potential to blackmail people (political opponents for example) has not gone unnoticed. Further, this information has to be stored somewhere to be useful; that somewhere can probably be hacked into, or misused by the people that have access to it in case of poor supervision (like what the NSA calls supervision).

That's probably a good idea. I would add to the list the guys from The Real News Network (https://twitter.com/therealnews) and Democracy Now (https://twitter.com/democracynow).

Do you think they would travel hundreds of light years (at least, probably more) to fight hand-to-hand combat with earthlings? What do you think this is, Predator (the film)?

Isn't it more like: you can be sure some asshole is recording you. I mean, even if the person you're talking to isn't recording you, you can be sure the NSA/GCHQ/whatever is. For example: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/06/governments-are-spying-on-our-sexual-lives-will-we-tolerate-it.

A small quote from the article:

You obviously did not read the article he linked. The teal things are aircraft fuselages.

As to why they are teal, I can only guess it's due to poor taste (or some particular technical reason).

That seems very cool; well done. As for the player tokens, or any other project that may require it, I would suggest you team up with someone with a 3D printer. I'm sure there are quite a few people in this forum that would be willing to help.

I don't think it's true that there is nothing you can do if someone (part of the default trust list) gives you unwarranted negative trust; if the other person can't be reasoned with and the abuse is obvious, you can at least contact whomever added that person to his/her trust list and ask him/her to remove them from the list. It won't remove the feedback, but it will remove the red trust warning that shows in posts and PMs.