Doesn't look good...

Which thief?

Martin or Matt?

I certainly hope FC is fine and safe somewhere it is all fun and games until someone kidnaps you and steals all your bitcoins.

BMT price hike... meh. Whatever the reason I think it is good cover to get out of the consumer miner game. Make it so unreasonable with pre-orders and price hikes that you get a tidy profit off the backs of people who just don't get it consumer mining is done. Read that as DO NOT BUY MINERS FOR HOME OR SMALL OPERATIONS USE. I don't see how anyone at this point is still mining at home or thinking about a tiny mine. (Unless you know something about a SHA256 altcoin that is not merge mined and that others don't know about the potential of that coin that is.)

BULK hydro and hardware with cheap warehousing space. Ukraine? China?

Did you just hint big time?

Also doing this as a smoke screen to hide a new chips development could be news.

Seems like BITMAIN thinks he didn't order up anything according to their spies.

Certainly something to work through for those with a BLOODHOUND and some sparetime.

Chip hype...

Asicminer chips on hold rumor has it.

As little information seems to be officially coming out on the ASICMINER / FriedCat front we all are left wondering about the companies future.

Power storage. You need batteries and potentially solar tracking to make such a system a truly 24 hour solution for powering miners or homes unless it is on grid or grid tie solution.

LiFePo4 is likely a great solution but the costs of battery storage at the outset of a project is difficult and very costly.

MPPT's are not cost effective?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKrh9tdXDX8

Bitmain Price Hikes


Neither a thumb up or down in my opinion.

Anyone who has been buying small amounts of miners is not being realistic about ROI anyhow. So this price increase and pre-order is a default setting as such by Bitmain to get themselves out of the consumer marketplace. It is the final nail in the coffin of the home to small miner.

If you want lower priced units you will be buying in BULK or B2B. So it is clearly game over for consumer mining sales.

The only potential might be DIY boards with Spondoolies Tech or Bitmaintech chips. But given the costs involved and no chance for sales to exceed the investment it makes little or no sense to build boards for the consumer market. It is over.

Have to agree 100% Finksy.

There is certainly a 'fiduciary' responsibility for anyone posting hardware reviews and guides etc to warn consumers of bad deals but this guide in particular is not concerned with that aspect and never has. It is primarily concerned with telling you what hardware is "good" although it lags significantly behind the consumers in what really is value for money given how long it takes to see ratings adjusted to the reality of the marketplace.

Currently there are no such ROI hardware deals available to the average small user and there will never be a time when that is possible ever again. Only with economies of scale in both electricity and purchasing power of hardware can anyone hope to recoup their investment and that has been the case for about 4 to 5 months now.

It is disingenuous to keep promoting mining hardware especially to the less knowledgeable or newer people who come into this forum subsection.

As for Bitmain I don't think it is right or wrong what price they set. Simply DO NOT BUY over priced or pre-order units simple. Be a smart consumer.

Edit: note that dogie sells his freebie miners in order to recoup his time invested. He doesn t keep the equipmement to mine it to recoup. That is a very telling point as he knows that the only way to get his return on his invested time is to dump miners fast for quick cash which is the only way currently to break even after a short mining run. Hypocritically he still promotes miner sales.

That is the key. RESEARCH.

It really doesn't take a lot of poking around here in bitcointalk hardware to narrow down your choices of hardware.

Then again at this point no one should be spending a few thousand on mining hardware. There is no upside to mining under the Petahash range.

At this point home or small mining is dead and people should avoid it at all costs. Potentially owning BTC by purchasing it and holding it seems to be a good gamble but again only if you are willing to lose it all. NEVER invest in Bitcoin be it coins or mining if you are not able to lose your entire investment. Many people have lost as a result of AMT and other equally shady outfits in hardware, cloud-mining, exchanges and pools.

Asicminer? Dead / Soon to be Dead?
Bitfury? Very Large B2B only.
Spondoolies? Shipping.
Bitmain? Shipping.

Just a few in the B2B end of things.

S5's are the last models available now for purchase
SP31 are the last models available in stock from Spondoolies $2,075.00: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp31-yukon-shipping-from-stock

So what do you expect is going to happen price wise?
Prices go down?
Do you remember when there were no units to be had?

Great place to live.

Great place to put miners.

Is Matt Carson working for Oregon Mines or part of the DG Rollins LLC?

You seem to have avoided that question.

The only person pushing this thread down a rabbit hole is Loshia. Typically off topic and has nothing to do the with the thread.

Simple questions being asked and answered. The only person that is being impolite is Loshia here, which doesn't surprise anyone given his defense of Martin and Technobit and their scams right up to present times. His personal and sustained attacks on me is well documented. Even though he was warned not to do this by forum moderators he continues to harass me in countless threads.

It is fair to ask what Matt Carson's involvement in this is, given the mess he has left behind with a number of deals here in these forums. Any potential customers of DG Rollins LLC should rightly know if he is involved. If he is why isn't Matt coming clean and resolving the countless problems he has with former Minersource customers? Does DG Rollins LLC have contact with Matt Carson? If they do can they not persuade Matt Carson to resolve issues he has with his customers?

Given those trips to Black Arrow and Spondoolies involved DG Rollins LLC and Matt Carson together there is certainly a reason to question the current standing and relationship of DG Rollins LLC and Matt Carson. The fact the "Loshia" is involved should also give any customer pause on anything related to a company, he seems only to post in an attempt to defame others and away from the specific question being asked. Smoke screens seem to be unnecessary here given that the principals are willing and able to respond to polite questions about who is involved in their business without resorting to name calling like Martin and Loshia did when questioned about their less than reputable business practices.

Clearly there is a "relationship" with Minersource and that might give at least former customers worry if not the whole community. That is why I asked the question so that consumers at least know a relationship did / does exist with these companies. The consumers who might be interested in what is being offered can now measure that information and weigh the risks involved. Without asking that question it was clearly never going to be brought up voluntarily by Oregon Mines.


Sample complaints from Loshia favorite company Technobit:

Aliexpress / Alibaba

Of course it is reputable.

Some of the companies that sell are not. But they do try very hard to maintain a watch on that in Aliexpress and Alibaba. Rating system is pretty good. In 3 years of using Aliexpress I have hand one complaint about non-shipment and my money was returned by the company after Aliexpress intervened.

Already have an account. Spend 100$ a month there I can report it but will let SPtech handle this.

Of course it is really an Avalon.

Should report this to Aliexpress. They will take it down.

Where has Asicminer / FriedCat gone?

Not a very organized fellow are the rumors I hear about FC but is this just a throw your arms in the air run for the hills to retool and relaunch your company because you are overwhelmed or are we looking at the end of Asicminer? Clearing out offices without notice seems more than odd. 2 months without contact is even stranger still.

The name of province is what I disputed and it is typical that Canadians call the province Newfoundland not just Labrador. As he said he was indicating the difference as people might recognize that is in fact where most of the power is generated and is cheaper than on Nfld. They are both parts of one province not a big deal just odd to hear Labrador mentioned as a province.

Back on his thoughts...

Ya I bet the rates are cheaper in Labrador lots of hydro projects up there.

The Lower Churchill's two installations at Gull Island and Muskrat Falls will have a combined capacity of over 3,074 MW and have the ability to provide 16.7 TWh of electricity per year.

His partner ain't gone. I see nearly 144 SP20's mining away.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=976172.msg10676569#msg10676569

Thanks for the info Oregon Mines.

Is DG Rollins LLC or you 'OregonMines.com' related to Matt Carson aka bobsag3 or Minersource.net in anyway? And if so are you still in partnership with Matt as you were before?

It is technically Newfoundland and Labrador, rarely do Canadians call Labrador a province they do say Newfoundland though.