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601  Economy / Gambling / Re: #2 Bitcointalk Poker Series (0.05 BTC & BIG BTC Ticket sponsored by SwC Poker) on: June 02, 2020, 02:17:24 PM
i'm not positive but looking through the last thread, ~3 hours. quite long for a single table tournament. Shocked

in fact, there will be bigger starting stacks this time.....

And last time I was out in first 5 minutes, I don't think anybody will be doing something like this time around Smiley
I am expecting a very tight game but with blinds increasing very fast after 2 hours on the table it shouldn't be much longer then 3 hours.
Sounds good Thanks for the info. The bigger stacks shouldn't be to big an issue as I assume the blind structure would be proportional.
The timing should work okay, I'd just hate to run late and have to cut out to go to work.

Ideally we could have discussed a date and time; the following week would have been free and clear. 5 hours earlier and i could play right after work; tired but free from time constraints if I make a run at it.

You can't always accommodate everyone so I will just count myself lucky that I am on nightshift and not dayshift.  
Just have to cooler you guys with AA, bet every flop suck out hard and never lose a flip and I might have time for a nap before work. Wink
602  Economy / Gambling / Re: #2 Bitcointalk Poker Series (0.05 BTC & BIG BTC Ticket sponsored by SwC Poker) on: June 01, 2020, 10:28:59 PM
so hopefully sunday works? play from work again? Tongue
i'm pretty open re day of week if we need to switch things up.
Better than Saturday at least this way I only have the one shift left that evening. Working nightshift I'll be in the middle of a good sleep I'm hoping it starts at the same time as the qualifiers at least this way if I hear my alarm I can play the entire final. Just shit timing is all.

My schedule is so sporadic, with the shift work and random covid scheduling it's hard to plan much longterm. I wasn't to concerned as the championship didn't have a date set at the beginning.

I didn't really follow the last final. How long did it run??


603  Economy / Gambling / Re: #2 Bitcointalk Poker Series (0.05 BTC & BIG BTC Ticket sponsored by SwC Poker) on: June 01, 2020, 12:58:57 PM
Congratulations to our finalists! Smiley I am currently setting up the Grand Finale and it will take place this coming Saturday - as soon as it is live, I will let you guys know of course!
Sorry for my "inactivity" lately but I have many things going on and can't spend as much time here.
Sounds good efialitis. I'll do my best to make it for the championship. No worries you've put in plenty of time keeping this series running, take care of whatever you need to.

So I wanted to wait until I had an idea whether or not I would qualify before bringing this up. Next weekend I am back at work. I can't remember when the last Championship played out but I'm curious what peoples thoughts are on time and date for the next Championship game.

I didn't really hear any opinions about this. I am working nights this coming weekend, no getting around it.

dude, i was so annoyed! i even folded KK preflop with ~10bbs to a raiser in the first several hands of the final table, when i was one KO away from qualifying. i can't think of any other circumstance where i ever would fold there except this very specific one, where one hand could lose me a future buy-in worth 10x the current one.
Here I was like get at least one point today... ooooh look QQ. Glad to see your patience and hangover paid off nicely.
grats for the qualifiers and hope you all enjoy the game , I will probably not join the next series if happened till the final stages because I'm preparing for my exams now
will come back later this month for poker
Good luck with the exams.
604  Economy / Gambling / Re: #2 Bitcointalk Poker Series (0.05 BTC & BIG BTC Ticket sponsored by SwC Poker) on: May 30, 2020, 11:10:41 PM
~snip~
Thanks great work. Still an exciting push for the end.
Whenever someone starts hitting the board, it just never stops...feels like SwC is rigged or something. Prior to that annoying suckout, he had a flopped set, flopped straight and won flush vs flush to a higher card....and a bunch of other crazy hands. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah it's shitty when you can't get anything to work, or when you mix in some fancier plays to try and get max value only to get hit with a bad beat. It happens to all of us. I definitely don't think it has anything to do with SWC, and they have been great to us. When you have a large stack or the price is real cheap you can play or continue with a much wider range. HE took advantage of that and found some luck along the way.

All in all great game today. I had a lot of fun, and it seemed a fairly jovial atmosphere all around. Was crushed on my final hand 88 against Hhampuz with AQ one spade I think, they had hit the Q on the flop - I hit my 8 on the river but it didn't matter as it was a 4 flush board. Good enough to manage 3rd today and set myself up in a good spot for the Championship.

Apart from that hoping to make it again for tomorrow, and ideally I'll sort out my recording.


So I wanted to wait until I had an idea whether or not I would qualify before bringing this up. Next weekend I am back at work. I can't remember when the last Championship played out but I'm curious what peoples thoughts are on time and date for the next Championship game.

605  Economy / Gambling / Re: #2 Bitcointalk Poker Series (0.05 BTC & BIG BTC Ticket sponsored by SwC Poker) on: May 30, 2020, 06:30:10 PM
Well you wasted it LOL
Hhampuz got me with a 555 when I had KQ and Q in flop. He was raising and I was matching. I did not realize that he could have a three of a kind in the flop. So got busted. And then in the next hand gone ALL IN with 910 and Iv4n got me with a 22 in his hand LOL
I was wondering what happened. You were chip leading then I saw someone KO'd, you were the last person I expected to see out at that moment. Good Game tough break
606  Economy / Gambling / Re: #2 Bitcointalk Poker Series (0.05 BTC & BIG BTC Ticket sponsored by SwC Poker) on: May 30, 2020, 06:04:36 PM
I've no idea how you guys manage to play with 4 color decks, tried it twice but it looks absolutely horrible, feels counter-intuitive and all. Yuck, not for me!  Grin
I played many times with 4 color decks, but I don't like it at all! I like to see black and red!
I found it weird at first but it's grown on me. It's really useful if I'm playing off my phone or multitabling as I've called before thinking I was chasing a flush and sadly was not,  Roll Eyes



i'm hanging on by a thread myself. being tied for 8th, i can't afford to not place this weekend.

sadly the poker gods are not with me so far. calling @Betwrong's preflop shove, he hits one of his 2 outs:
then a really unlucky turn vs @1r0n1c. he's repping a Q on the flop and of course another Q falls on the turn. bleeding chips here. Sad


Yeah I got lucky with my KK against Betwrong they had flopped a set and I turned top set. Rough break for them, a flush draw kept me from trying for max value though.
1r0n1c ran hot there for a bit, they called down 2 streets to make a 4 outer for a straight on the river with A2 I think.

Edit: Sadly no video today. I have no idea why the app and download is all of a sudden blocked by my wife's PC... subtle message maybe lol
607  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Poker talk - Specifically Hold'em - Hands and or strategy on: May 30, 2020, 01:37:19 AM
yeah it's a fish move, but at low stakes you can often get away with it. it's all about the odds for me. for example, i love limping low pocket pairs for cheap because flopping a set can pay off huge.
I lean heavily on a raise if there is a limper and I had planned a RFI. I can't really decide on a sizing. I generally RFI something like 2.22 or 2.48 BB, and add anywhere from 1-1.5 BB for a limper. I prefer this if I am in late position not so much if I'm LJ, as it generally picks up a caller. It happens a lot in our little series and I've been leaning more towards calling as to many people limp their value hands. In general though it's probably like 20% of the limped pots either the limper or the flat call after has something strong.


I might now better if I didn't have a nearly empty database atm. I sat down today and gathered up all my hands across my laptop and PC I've been playing from and there were 200 hands. That doesn't even over all of last night. So I don't really know what's going on. My HM3 still has some of the data from before the PC went down, but it's very sparse. I'm pretty annoyed with ACR about this as it's the biggest annoyance I face on their site, is lost hands I want to review. I have to spend some time figuring the ins and outs of HM3 so I can figure out exactly what I have and then sort out the best way to get accurate info moving forward, as it all "feels like" to me at this point.
I have been kicking around trying out a few different sites but most don't offer the lineup that ACR has and that's really beneficial to my erratic schedule. I'm not sure if I should start trying playing all my hands with the HUD running  as this lets me tag hands in real time. It's just I often start on the laptop then migrate to a PC, and the HUD slows things down drastically. I've been kicking the idea around of dismantling my Mining rig and converting it into a poker rig; might be tiome to get on that.  Grin

First game when I came last I was trying to see the table cards each time. Like that.
Second game 11th I was more hard on myself and folded the crap.
In the end I could have been even harder later and stayed in longer. But I felt you have to go for it sometime or you get left behind in stacks.
When your all in is 2k but someone has 12k they don't even care it they have to match you, they can hardly feel it. But if you lose you are dead.
That all sounds like progress to me. It's tough and there is certainly a point where you have no fold equity against a big stack. It's just about picking your spots as best you can. It's common to come up with a 10BB shove strategy from any position. There are also better spots than others to try and steal blinds like SB VS. BB. It's uncomfortable but it's a good part of the game to get used to, because you can wait for KK or AA and lose all the same.
Good Luck this weekend

So I have been trying to find this hand for a couple days and it's gone. I have been trying to adjust and catch myself in spots where my pocket pairs might be behind. I'd like to get thoughts on this spot. This is about 40 people off the money. I am sitting around the bubble for position at the moment.

Villain 1 UTG  22 BB   Raises  to 2.5 BB       Folds to
Villain-2 BTN  39 BB   Raises  to 8.3 BB
Hero      SB    31 BB   Calls
Villain 1        Jams     22BB to call
Villain 2       Calls      22 BB
Hero with TT  Huh?   13.7 BB to call                   Pot size is roughly 53 BB


Question for the group. How faithful are you to following the odds in making a call. Does a small betsizing keep you in it chasing a draw if the odds are there? I know that there are times I personally get away from the math and it's been hit or miss but sometimes things just don't make sense. 3 days ago I had a 100BB stack jam turn into me (40BB) when I had top pair 3rd kicker and a flush draw had come in on the turn. Flop was checked through. So I hero called it and he had pure air. Did the same thing the next hand and I called it down with second pair, again he had air but at least had an overcard.
Funny note on that tournament I got taken out by 2 hands about 15 apart same player. He called down my 2 pair and my flopped set, with solid value bets on flop and turn chasing a gutter that came in... TWICE. That tournament lasted about 45 minutes for me and I went from 220th to about 3rd until I ran into this guy.
608  Other / Archival / Re: Let's talk Texas Holdem poker hands and how to play like a PRO? on: May 29, 2020, 03:25:25 PM
I wonder how long are you playing poker already and on which stakes? What is your ROI? Are you winning, losing or maybe break even in the long run?
I am very lucky to be winning because I was able to use multiple high no deposit bonuses in rooms like Party Poker, Pokerstars. PKR poker and many others, almost 10 years ago and learned to play poker for free.
I'm a small/micro stakes MTT tournament player mostly. I have been finding minor success playing cash games. Up until last month I could say I was ahead if I walked away. Then I had a run that just felt like it wouldn't end. Definitely was getting tilted not so much with my cardplay but my buy-ins. I would run into a bad beat or something and either late reg in the last 2 levels or jump into another game. This was rarely going to go well for me.

Couple that with expected variance and my bankroll went from comfortable to looking at a reload. For me I tend to play most of the week when I am off and not at all if working... apart from the odd forum tourney. So I can always come back refreshed. Apart from the bankroll management the plays themselves weren't the worst as I'll go over some of the spots while I'm away from the tables.What was a killer though is my PC that I was using to study and review has had issues so I didn't have that winddown ritual to go through anymore, and I think that contributed to the tilty rebuys.

Really though it wasn't all that bad. I say this because I have learned from the situation. Plan my tournaments and bullets I'm willing to fire before I get going and stick to that. I also buy-in more micro than lowstakes tourneys. I have also dialed back my aggression a bit on what and when I'm willing to get it all in and when. Overall as long as you can take something away from a bad situation then you're headed in the right direction.

I also have to remind myself that I really only started to take poker more seriously a few months ago after binking a decent tournament. I have casually played for a few years in spurts of a week or 2 here. I would load 30 buck or so and see where it would take me. The fact that I've played 1000's of hands and learned to pick spots apart better all from that is a pretty big accomplishment in itself. 
609  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Poker talk - Specifically Hold'em - Hands and or strategy on: May 27, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
During all these years of playing poker, I was able to play many hands in a different way, but TBH still wonder how correctly draws should be played?
I personally think that to be good in poker one has to perfect the bluff play and of course test it on tables with at least medium stakes because on the lower once there are just too many fishes, semi-bluffing a calling station can be very costly on drawing tables.
Yeah draws can be a bitch. I'm a little wishy washy on most spots at the moment. Draws OOP I am generally check/calling flop. I used to 3-bet these spots if I had a strong flush draw or OESD, but found I was getting pushed off my hands with larger bets into a big pot on the turn. Sure I would generate some folds from weak bets folding the flop, but more often than not it ended badly. I tend to try and keep the pot smaller when I am purely drawing, as I want to be priced in to get to the river.
This is a spot where I don't mind an OOP lead on the flop if it's a board that the Villain probably missed, if they call they might just check back the turn given the opportunity. It can put the fear of a turn check-raise in their minds.
Straight draws are irritating. I honestly can't think of to many that I make when I'm actually chasing it down. I also don't often get to the river in these spots, and fold turn. I often hit them on boards when it's unnecessary and already have my villain dominated. They do often turn up in hands that I get crushed though so that's fun lol. Now that my tunnel vision is gone, post flop I don't chase a gut shot unless it checks through or I have something else going for me like (2 overcards, a real good price, or player/spot dependent reasoning). OESD feels great when you see it but it still only carries like 16% chance of hitting on the turn or river(8% if calling on the turn) So again it's a spot I like to try and get into as cheap as possible.

It's not a perfect system, but it does create a large portion of my bluff spots. IP I like to work bluffs on turn and river if it checks through. A lot of these spots I turn into bluffs on the river, like I was waiting to make sure the draw didn't come in. The big thing I try to do is play the same in a bluff as I would if it made it, all the while mixing it up between aggresive and passively playing a spot. I used to lose a lot on chasing draws or aggressively betting them so I try to play something like this 70/30 passive/aggressive. The determining factors are how many villains, how strong is my hand if I miss, position, stack sizes.

if stack sizes are appropriate (no overbets) then i like to get my stack all in on the flop, especially multi-way. a good example is @Trofo in this 3-way pot:
Couldn't agree more. If things are deep enough that on the flop the SPR is even close to 1:1 I am inclined to get it in. Not so much on just an OESD, but a strong flush draw for sure. Not a lot of people want to call down their stack unless they are nutted if there is a draw out there. It would likely be less if they give it enough though to think you are protecting a made set or 2 pair.

In my mind I know that I have a three of a kind with an A
May be there could be a possibility for a straight if anyone had a 5 but in your mind will you ever have this in mind that it could have 444 in the opponents hand? Honestly speaking, I can not remember how much I have lost on that hand.
Making trips is great until you find a guy with a boat. Honestly I don't know if I've ever gotten away from a set - never folded and seen one in a hand playout. They are hard to tell apart from a top pair aggression to me. This would have probably been the onetime for me.
I hate any 4 to a straight or flush spot. I sometimes bluff the flush spots on the river. If I face aggression here though I am running into a sunrunner who made the straight, flushes are worse as I have lost to a 2X completing the flush.
You might have missed it but that river also completed the flushdraw on the table. It sucks but I wouldn't bet if given the chance and would fold to a bet. To many hands crush you unfortunately. For an idea of why they may have a 5 A5 is a typical preflop hand that people play.
610  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Bitcointalk Poker Series format discussion - Let's keep them all in one place. on: May 27, 2020, 10:22:25 PM
Im just wondering this, is it possible to add some sort of point for knocking out player in the 3rd series later ( Provided that we have the 3rd series ). So instead of trying to get into top ten to get points, some player could also be getting it after they knock someone out.
Something like half point or for each person knocked out (?)
Might trigger some big action from the start of the game I guess or perhaps putting up some point bounty on random person for more points, probably could make the game much more interesting. I am not sure if this is possible so yeah any other thoughts ??  Cheesy
I'm not really keen on mixing it into the series itself. I think it would make a cool tournament to run once a month itself. Bounty tournaments are fun and can get pretty wild, so I'd definitely join one for a good time. I think the idea behind a series and a championship lends itself to a points only for finishes format and should be kept that way.

In regards to fees and managing them I can go either way. We definitely should still keep this password protected, and forum member only. Anyone playing there with BTC could easily create an account in a matter of seconds if they are interested. Otherwise it's really just another tournament where I know a few extra people than usual. I play this series for the comradery  and to go over spots later on it would loose a bit of it's fun appeal if it were flooded with Regs. I'd be less inclined to record my plays or even talk at the tables.

I am also of the camp that we should make things as easy as possible on the SWC team, they have gone way above and beyond what one could expect. They legitimately make nothing on our tournaments and toss in huge extras just so we can have a good time.I'm sure they could make it easy and go with the standard format for a tournament[entry+Fee] 1000+200 at registration. In the end they just create the final tournament and add the total from the 200 collected to that prizepool. For me this isn't ideal, as I said I don't want to ask them for more than they do already.

Back to the league entry fee. This can be done a few different ways. If full payment upfront is done we can then before the Championship make refunds for games not played. This can either be the full 200 per game or something like 175/150 if people aren't all in agreement for a full refund/qame missed. This helps people not feel like they are just giving away money, it should also solve any issues of people wanting to join in for a one-off or after a few missed games. It can also be collected in 2 terms first half and second half.

Whoever collects the League fees then provides the passwords for all of the tournaments upon league registration.

@betwrong and @figmentofmyass - Good on you guys offering to handle and hold fees. I have no issues with either of them doing this.


I'm going to spend a little time this week looking into SWC's social media and see if there are places I can post to try and convert some of their regs. I would like to see us build our ranks and maybe bring some people back to the forum even if it's only to hang in what is fast becoming our active poker community. I might try working on a few others on the forum. I don't know them to well but am surprised they aren't participating. It may have been the 2 games a weekend thing.

611  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Poker talk - Specifically Hold'em - Hands and or strategy on: May 25, 2020, 12:45:55 PM
Last night I got told off for "limping" a monster hand
But they couldn't explain during the game and said will explain tomorrow.
I had   A K   off suit.
Thanks, I have no idea what it means.
Hey didn't want to leave you hanging. Wasn't trying to tell you off. Sorry if it came across that way. It was a joke about the hand after it played out.

What I meant was that in general people usually have a larger range of hands that they "raise" preflop rather than limp in. This is a raise first in ( RFI) if it folds around to you.  People still have limping ranges but it's usually a smaller amount of hands. Generally they are weaker hands or maybe AA as it's making a comeback at some stakes to try and generate raises and more action.

The monster being that AK suited or not is a very strong hand or a "monster" hand to limp. Obviously not as good as AA KK QQ, but against QQ and smaller it still has good odds. So good in fact that it is often a hand people are willing to go all-in with a lot of the time pre-flop. It's one of those hands that you would like to start building the potoff with a raise and a caller or 2.

Edit: added reply from PC

okay, thanks for clarifying. i always thought a donk bet implied a small bet.
I had to look it up and that does fall into a lot of the basic definitions I had seen out there. My view was more shaped from what I had seen. I could just be using the term loosely.

you don't often give it credit---is that based on actual showdowns? gut feeling? i guess i just don't understand where these assumptions come from, or why a 70% pot bet would be perceived as weaker than a check.
the way i saw it, AQ beats most of your range there, but it was still only top pair with 2 hearts on the flop, straight draws on the turn. i don't make a huge distinction about who the preflop raiser is here---too many people are checking behind. slow playing top pair on a wet board seems like an awesome way to flush equity down the toilet. tbh i'm betting AAA there too. i don't give people free cards when there are strong draws on the board.

Much like the example I showed from yesterday the gut feeling that I had in that spot comes from past showdowns. It's not always but generally with that level of open aggressive betting someone is trying to push me off. Sometimes they are drawing and hit/miss, if they barrel 2X and then check river I'm usually checking behind as I feel I might be getting trapped there whether a flush or straight draw come in that I wasn't chasing. It's only a spot I am willing to follow if it's not going to overly jeopardize my position.
This is the sort of betting I was suggesting for your pocket pairs that you were 3-betting and having to fold out to a board with 1 or 2 overcards. I can now also see why that advice/play seemed counter intuitive, as a smaller betsizing kind of incentivises peeling a draw or overcards.
can't fold top pair, rag kicker---noted. Tongue
"An ace can never lose you just have to believe in it" Anonymous tournament player 3rd bullet  Grin  Just another spot I have to think on more,less is probably better.

with 14bbs there aren't many options. i can either 3bet (then stack off if you raise or jam any flop if you call).....or i can see a flop with 12bbs behind. my flatting range is very strong here.
if i wanted to steal i would have just jammed preflop. that's why i find this all so confusing.
I knew you played tighter and more aggressive I just don't think I fully grasped it. This more highlights a fundamental difference in our play, which I don't see a problem with. I run into much more variance, and am able to lets say lightly patch leaks listening to your position and thoughts on spots. You seem to be a more consistent player by winding up in less spots but being able to capitalize on them. If nothing else I show you that you'll always be able to hook someone  Wink

that's a very odd spot for that move.
still, i generally lose money when i call down large bets with rag kickers and second pairs. that's the long and short of it.
This is a spot I'm going to keep an eye on and track as I'm sure it will stick out next time I feel I'm in it. I feel like it's not always a bad play against someone I have no reads/history with, I feel like overall it's been more of a flip and that's why I'm only inclined to go for it with a decent SPR or no other outside considerations. Especially in low/micro tourneys where people barrel off air at times or just make unusual moves. Then again mabe this is the sort of spot I need to just leave alone in the grand scheme of things.
612  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Poker talk - Specifically Hold'em - Hands and or strategy on: May 25, 2020, 06:44:58 AM
First I just want to preface that my use of the term "donk lead" is just that. I'm not actually calling anyone a donk.
hmmm, but there was never any donk bet. on the flop, it was a 1000 chip bet into a 1425 chip pot. on the turn, it was a 2466 chip shove into a 3425 chip pot.
i can understand the preflop range you put me on, although tbh with only 14bbs preflop my range is definitely stronger than that. i can sort of understand the flop call too, to see if i checked the turn. but calling the shove on the turn in position? i don't get it.
i'm just curious what actual range you put me on at that point where a call would seem profitable.
This is the best range I could think of while trying to figure out what I was up against. 77+, 78s, 78+ hearts, There are the ATo+, and the Axs combos. Maybe you had hit a set but again I couldn't be sure you were playing 66 or 22, might have jammed the flop with those.

I made some assumptions that were clearly wrong. I thought from SB you might 3-bet stronger holdings some of which might be a 3-bet fold - in lieu of that jamming with 14 BB you might not have a 3-bet range of any kind. I assumed a weaker made hand or strong draw with the flop lead out. The turn jam had me confused, mostly because of the lead out.  
Those factors had me heavily leaning away from you having a strong holding. I have been trying to expand beyond purely GTO which my studying had me heavily focused on. So I talked myself into a feeling that if you had a strong A and wanted to get all the money you might play this slower both on the flop and turn. With that I was already knocking off some of the higher AX combos - coupled with no 3-bet or jam on the river. (This did also take away some of the higher suited combos at the same time). Not that you couldn't have them but the gameplay so far gave me reason to discount them

what's your definition of a "donk lead"? any time someone ever calls you OOP and bets postflop, regardless of bet sizing? if you as a rule never respect the bettor there it sounds kinda leaky.
It clearly does given the 2 spots I found myself in. Generally if heads-up post flop - if I am in position and was the preflop aggressor I do think of any leadout by the OOP player to be a "donk lead". I see this as a couple things , stealing my chance to bluff, as a probe possibly to see if I raise, an attempt to steal the pot on a board I may have missed, or they hit and are worried of getting pushed off. I don't often give it a lot of credit, especially if I have top pair. I just naturally assume they would rather go with a check call/check raise scenario, but if I miss I often have to let it go whether I believe them or not.
I feel I also would have played this the same with AK in my hand. I would call down and then go for a re-raise on the turn if they put out another bet

here is another way to put it. once you saw the A on the flop, you had already decided you weren't going to fold no matter what?
To a leadout on the flop most of the time yes if I have hit top pair or a decent piece of the flop. Jamming or an overbet would have made it weirder for me in this spot, and might get a fold out of me here. The turn call like I said I mostly didn't believe the story. I expect more fiction and subterfuge in poker, and I should remember sometimes it will be exactly what it looks like.

In this spot I truly didn't expect this play. It was very face up representing a strong A, and it's not what I expect a strong A to do to get the most value. This call while bad is more just me thinking you were trying to bluff me off my hand, thinking I missed or was just drawing. It does give me more insight into how you play a certain spot, and go after your equity. It's just not something I would have thought of. We actually haven't battled it out post flop in many spots and I read it all wrong.

I don't know how often I'm good there with top pair weak kicker but it's something I'll have to keep in mind. I played 2 tourneys tonight and there was a spot with a similar feel I didn't have top pair. I didn't get it saved but I got to see it runout because there was a blinded/anted out player. We are about 15 people off the money 64 left I think.

I had around 28BB [HJ] Kd8d, they had 13BB [SB]    I make it 2.22BB they call
Flop is AcKh9c
SB bets 3.7BB into a ~6.5BB pot I fold out. They show 33 in showdown against the blinded out shortstack

Here I think it was easier to fold out because I didn't block some any pair holdings. I would have rather not seen the runout.


 

613  Economy / Gambling / Re: #2 Bitcointalk Poker Series (0.05 BTC & BIG BTC Ticket sponsored by SwC Poker) on: May 24, 2020, 04:18:47 PM
I'll be there if i can. Have some training going on today but it might be done before late reg is over. If so see everyone at the tables.
Edit: made it. No recording again just off mobile
614  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Poker talk - Specifically Hold'em - Hands and or strategy on: May 24, 2020, 02:18:30 PM
Yeah I wanted to type out more in chat in the moment to give a clearer picture of my thought process which wasn't great. Going into it you legitimately could have had anything, from 22+(not sure your threshold for set mining),  ATo+, AXs 56s+, 9Toff+ and a massive amount of broadway combos suited and unsuited. It was a small blind flat against a 2BB raise I think, pre-flop this range is huge. I can't remember if this is before or after I went from 2.5x to 2x.

Taking the lead OOP to me said you had something but were worried of being pushed off. I thought I was making a more exploitative play here, and I went more with my reasoning than with reason. If that makes sense. The jam on the turn then made me wonder, and I considered folding out but it nagged me that this line didn't make sense if you were strong. Why make bets to scare me away if he has it? Does he put me on just peeling for the flush draw,? Is he trying to push me off with his flush draw?? Is this grabbing max value and I misunderstood the leadout? maybe I'm definitely capable of calling light.

I also kept having our previous conversations going through my mind, that you could have had a pocketpair that now had an overcard on the board. Of course all of this was only momentary flashes of though that were all competing. If I had a shorter stack I would have had to fold out but as I said with my SPR and what I figured my odds of needing around 30% that I was okay with the gamble. I would have thought about it a lot less with other players.

Do I think this was an overall good play on my part. No. Not necessarily for the call down against most people; but the donk lead really f's me up. I called down 3 streets later on in almost the exact same situation. Only I had second pair, and they had it. I guess when I see a donk lead that is out of character I almost never assume it is a tier1 hand, on that street. Something I have to change about my game for sure.

Long story short I didn't give you enough credit for being a TAG player in this instance.
The comments about having you maybe outkicked was more in regards to if you had an AX, which there are fewer combos available because I hold an A, but it wasn't the only holding you might have had. It was more a possibility if you did hold an A, because again the flat call. Maybe you did have A4s A3s, and are now open ended and top pair. These are the sorts of hands I expect an OOP lead most of time. The top pair shit kicker was just in reference to your leadout on the flop - At that point I can't fold my hand otherwise how do I ever play that hand again preflop.

I can't say for sure how I would have played it but I feel had you jammed the SB pre-flop I would have folded out. Hell a 3-bet might have done it, but given your stacksize at the time It almost makes it a mandatory shove if you are going to be more aggressive. Check raising the flop if I were to bet would have put more alarm bells in my head than questions, same for the turn if I had checked back, which was probably unlikely. In a more standard line I would have been more likely to fold. It's a bad habit of mine and goes against a lot of advice and tips I've seen where if you are confused or unsure best bet is to fold.

Edit: Ignore the above. I'm being to situational. You played it right, I just got lucky. Just because of a bad suckout here doesn't mean you shouldn't play this spot identical next time. I think I was more focusing on an explanation for why your bets aren't getting respect. I can't speak for others how they would have played this spot.
Can I ask though what were you wanting to achieve with your betsizing and leadouts? I feel you got the desired result I just sat on a horseshoe yesterday. Did you want the max value doubleup or where you looking for a fold from me on the turn?


615  Economy / Gambling / Re: #2 Bitcointalk Poker Series (0.05 BTC & BIG BTC Ticket sponsored by SwC Poker) on: May 23, 2020, 10:08:26 PM
i went out on a brutal suckout:
I couldn't agree more. I had already begun typing in nh, assuming I lost.
i dunno how he calls with ace-rag and no draw here, but he did, and naturally he hit 2-pair on the river. Roll Eyes
Let's say a bad read, and a willingness to gamble helped.
My thought process was that you might have played AJ+ with a 3-bet here. I know your stack wasn't large so after the fact I understood the flat. IIRC you took the lead on the flop for 1000 and with top pair shit kicker I wasn't folding out. The jam had me wondering, if you had it or figured I'd fold out something weaker. I know you play tight and have a good understanding of my gameplay. So I was torn. Then when I considered my SPR and for less than 1/4 of my stack I could win 3/4, the decision was made. That's the gamble on my weak top pair.

I legit felt like shit after that hand, it was gross and we've all been there.

SteamTyme got me too today but with me he had a K pair with A kicker
~snip~
I had a KJ so I thought why not match his bet and the rest, I had to watch me going kicked out LOL.
I was very reserved all those time but on a sudden something happened and I gone ALL-IN. I really should not make this crazy move.
Yeah I was happier than a pig in shit there. It did help improve the gross feeling I still had.
figment nailed it when you put that bet out there I figured you were calling off anything so there was no need to slowplay it. Nothing wrong with leading out but go with a smaller sizing, in the future and keep the pot smaller so you can try and walk away later on, if you don't have the top kicker. (look at me talking about kickers) Roll Eyes

I will no longer participate in this event.
Good luck to you guys with this series and in future series.
Efialtis, keep my 600 remaining chips for the winners.
It would be a shame to see you go. I think dealing with a "mouth" is part of the game. You either engage with them or not. You chose to be the mouth and engage with others and it can go to far. I am personally not a fan of trash talk as i think the majority of people aren't built to dish it out, or handle it. Often it just progresses to far... like it did today. It doesn't help when it's a day you just keep running into the nuts... well 2 of 3 times.  I legit do hope you come back as I've enjoyed playing against you, even when I'm losing and pissy about it. I do think you both got out of hand at the table for the part I was around which was about midpoint.

Curious does SWC not have a chat block?? I rarely watch the chat on my other site but am not sure if you can just mute certain players on SWC.

Like I said. The spirit of competition. I get that people can’t handle the heat sometimes. But I’m gracious in victory and defeat. There were still 5 other runners after me and they saw my message and I said gg.
Of course this was after I added insult to injury. But the moment was heated. But ... it’s a moment.
I don't think what I saw was in the spirit of competition. Might just be the way I've always competed, but apart from lighthearted joking I like to keep my head in the game. I prefer a play style where I'd be able to without a doubt have a beer with anyone I sit down with.
The parting shot was pretty bad imo, it really makes your gg and everything after insincere.

I've had this discussion with many people since textin became the main communication for most. You can't convey emotion or intent across words. Jokes get lost and so can a well meaning message after the fact.

Congratulations @Steamtyme!  Smiley
Thanks I got real lucky in a few spots and had more than my fair share of good cards. Tomorrow might be out the window for me, we'll have to see. Someone sent a message that I might have training tomorrow so who knows, might actually have to do my job at work. Woe is me.

Gratz @SteamTyme, well done. That last hand was quite weird Cheesy
That it was it is the best hand of poker I will ever play. I took what he said in chat about needing to go soon as my chance on the flop to jam. Probably didn't hurt he had flopped a flush, while mine was a royal flush... daaaaamn
I did grab a screen cap and will post it here. Gotta do it from home though. The hand before I had KK and wished he had played it out but am glad they didn't.

GG everybody, I do hope we can smooth out some of the wrinkles that happened and proceed without further issue.
616  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Poker talk - Specifically Hold'em - Hands and or strategy on: May 22, 2020, 10:03:49 PM
Sorry I'm at work lol. Shouldn't wait on me to much. I assumed this was a loss as the bad beats are what you bring for our enjoyment lol.
Tough call on what they have especially given the game. Some of these guys will bet any T like it's the nuts. That wouldn't get you a loss, i like what webtricks thought about the 22. I still think depending on stakes they might not raise any pocket pair.
So i'll take JJ with a J on the river.... or the KK/AA lol. This is a big leak I had to overcome letting go of monsters in these spots.

And yes as mentioned before your hand should never be folding here.
617  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Poker talk - Specifically Hold'em - Hands and or strategy on: May 22, 2020, 07:22:21 PM
the problem with limping is there are 3 more to act preflop. we're guaranteed at least 3 in the pot (if no one raises) and i may not be in position postflop. in terms of preflop equity a limp seems fine but the problem is the difficulty in playing it postflop with a small stack.
for sure. In these cases i'm really just paying for a flop. Kind of a delayed all-in. It really depends on how the villains proceed. If i connect with the board there is a good chance i'm jamming regardless.

I don't know if i'm going to continue to deviate from a push/fold here with limping. I have to give it some more time but it's also not a spot i run into often. I almost prefer being oop in these spots, if BB checks it looks fairly strong.

You are only losing to 1 combination at this point QQ. I would probably put them all-in here, the other option is call and see if they keep barreling the river.. If you lose to a 1 or 2 card outer with a KK AA holding so be it but you can't play a winning game and fold expecting that to happen. It would suck but sometimes it is just your turn to lose chips unfortunately.
Most likely they have the other T, overpair, or straight/draw, flush draw.

A good tell if they may have this pocket pair is did they 3-bet you pre-flop?? Not always but this can be a clue to their holding
618  Other / Meta / Re: WHY LAUDA'S PLAGIARISM CASE HAVE SO MUCH DRAMA? on: May 22, 2020, 03:30:04 PM
I'm spreading no lies. Feel free to point out if  I have my non perma ban punishment information confused.

You're problem is that you forget the forum does not moderate scams.  That is for the police to sort out. It is again just your opinion that they are a scammer which you are wrongly applying to this instance.

The "extortion" case was something people have delved into on numerous occasionsand is something from before my time.  This again goes down to disagreeing with them and their actions. Disagreeing with how someone conducts themselves within the rules of the forum again has no business being taken into consideration here.

Yes they have been banned before but that still doesn't mean they have not been an overall net positive for the forum at large. Consider the numerous pinned topics that have for years provided good solid information for newbies.

You are laser focused and only concerned with your opinion and distaste for Lauda. If toy really wanted a consistent punishment applied then you would be open to the possibility of a temp ban then a sig ban.

619  Other / Meta / Re: WHY LAUDA'S PLAGIARISM CASE HAVE SO MUCH DRAMA? on: May 22, 2020, 02:50:13 PM
Must say I was surprised to see a thread like this. Will there be a ban? Yes, if the threshold for plagiarism is passed. The forum is consistent in punishment. Will it be permanent? No.
I believe that regardless of how you feel about Lauda and their judgement they have been a net positive to the forum. It's not a good look but they will still be welcomed as a member if the forum.
Unless I've missed something that is still the criteria.  So likely a sig ban for a year and 30 day temp ban.
620  Economy / Gambling / Re: #2 Bitcointalk Poker Series (0.05 BTC & BIG BTC Ticket sponsored by SwC Poker) on: May 22, 2020, 11:34:12 AM

+1, i'm with that. the regular prize pools are enough to keep me coming, let alone the championship prizes. what can i say? i like to play cards.....

i wouldn't mind getting a regular cash game together either. or maybe some low stakes stud hi/lo or omaha just for kicks. i haven't played any lowball games in years.
I would probably jump into a small cash game or other variation. I can't say I've played much of anything else a little plo for fun here and there. I hit up the SWC cash games when I can't play tournaments, just the small stuff but still a good time.
anyway i have known live regs who have played 24-36 hour sessions at the casino. 6-8 hours is nothing. maybe have a beer and a coffee at the table. Tongue
the longest session I've had so far has been 8 hours give or take. This has always been in the comfort of my home so that's nice. I can stretch scratch and run to the bathroom during time bank lol. The worst part for me is in a large field tournament getting knocked out after hours, especially if it's before the money. Last time i came out with a .90$ win lol. Didn't even cover the first beer.


Passwords received. I'll send along chips today to cover possible play this weekend. Thanks for sorting us out.
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