Yes this is a shame for the most part it would have been better if these people had been able to just walk away and not engage. There are people who will never change their mind or have a level of proof required so beyond reason they can pretend to be open-minded. It's like any struggle that's worth it though, pick your route and just keep pushing towards the goal. The new DT1 members aren't worth having if they won't stand by the reasoning and guidelines they used for their feedback, if they fear being excluded for that reason.

I haven't had a lot of time to check through it lately, but a while back I was pretty floored by some of the people making up the pool. I'm all for cycling members through and introducing new blood, especially if it gives a wide range of opinions across the DT1. We don't need any echo chambers floorishing here, but it does feel that way sometimes with the newer members as quite a few people went out and started tagging and mirroring feedback as soon as the new system rolled out.

It's a tough system to get behind, especially when you want people to use it for their personal needs. Then throw in the fact that their list also has a vote, and it becomes a balancing act most won't bother with. All we can do is try, and actively monitor for an account farmer attempting to subvert the system, which is still pretty tough to do.

I don't think that's necessary, that should be handled well enough by DT1. Most if not all people take it seriously if they get into DT1 and are receptive to suggestions. So if there is an issue with DT2 ratings from inactive members someone should raise the concern with them. Whatever the outcome is either the person becomes excluded from DT1, or they exclude the problematic DT2. The DT1 can choose to mirror any ratings that they want to from that point.

I would say it's more a testament to the quality of the feedback a person left if even after years of inactivity their ratings hold true. If that is not the case then they should wind up being excluded in time. I'm not the best at going back over my list in it's entirety. In my more active weeks though I try to investigate peoples feedback as I browse to quality check what my list shows me. Pretty sure I make some changes at least once a month though, usually something small.

The bigger coupons only came out when sales were slow. I think the last one I used was at the end of January, maybe February. It's nice to see they still have the little one on the site full-time. I don't think we'll see any deep discounts until next year at least considering the pre-sale market we're in now.

Okay, was definitely a logical step to have the same product offerings as everyone else. I'll just have to wait for the 11** for something entirely different.

It's hard to get excited about LPM when if you need it the pricing isn't something you can overcome. You have to give up a lot of hashrate for most machines running it. I would still like to see Canaan bring out a first to market product efficiency wise. The reliability has always been great, but with how fast things seem to move they just outlive their profitability. I missed out on grabbing the 1041 as it launched shortly after I had upgraded everything, but we'll see how things go in the next 6 months.

I saw an email where Steve said he had plans to announce a new miner in October. Is that what this is? Makes sense for them to have a more dense unit as well, but I was excited to see something entirely new again. Spoiled by all the launches this year i guess.

Reply sent. Back on mobile for a while but will be available to send coins if needed.

Jumping in a little late been busy.


Last I read on that this proposed 10% was on items not previously affected. Mining gear should be excluded from that.

The pricing isn't really a surprise move as far as I'm concerned. 2018 must have killed the manufacturing pace that was being set so now orders for components that are placed months in advance were probably at near minimum levels so that no one was left holding to much stock. Until that run on coin price everything was priced in so that you could be profitable sub $7000. So anyone ordering gear and receiving it within a few weeks was laughing. January you could load up your entire farm in 3 weeks with M10's at 750$ per. If you had a long preorder depending on how you paid you might have got stung and paid a 40% premium.

That price jump pretty much dropped us in November 2017 - Gear several generations old is now profitable again, and there isn't enough new gear available right now. Now manufacturers are scrambling to ramp up production, which costs a lot and they had just been selling gear at a steal. So they know people want it and are just dangling out everything they have, which probably includes gear reserved for warranty repair/replacement, charging in the irrational realm because someone will pay it.

I'm curious to see how many of these pre-orders arrive on time.

If it shows unhandled it's most likely waiting to be inspected by a staff member who can handle Bans. The report itself should have linked to whatever thread has the proof linking the accounts whenever you are reporting Ban evasion.

I was reading somewhere that there also appears to be a long backlog of reports waiting to be handled, just from the sheer amount of reported posts; most being low quality/spam.

I am interested, just on mobile at the moment if you are available we could set up a deal in 6 hours or so. Feel free to PM or post more details and I'll get back to you when I can.

As time goes on this might become a bigger concern, but for now it's still an isolated incident. With the new system it's probably something that will work itself out as newer members wouldn't have a reason to include Zepher, and might even decide to exclude. You can already see some members leaving counters for that feedback. Flags would be the same as they need to have more people supporting it that countering it.

Me thinks you give people to much credit. All anyone willing to buy an account would see is - Sr. Member Check, No Negatives Check, Merit earned, Bonus

I don't think they'd sell the account though, to paranoid. Someone could pretend to be them and begin working for the [insert conspiracy due jour], or frame them. To many risks involved.

I just reported one of their posts in the mining section. I really should start double checking the post history of these straight up scripted linked spam posts. Then I could mention it in the report and save some time. There already seems to be enough of them that it should stand out enough to get the Ban dropped. If nothing else locked by Cryptios.

I can only speak to Pangolin, as I haven't ordered from Whatsminer.net

1. Pre-sale customer support experience - They respond quickly within their business hours.. They answer your questions and will give what answers they can. 10/10

2. Ordering experience- Orders have been smooth, they have fallen behind on updating the web site with current information regarding your order. Some orders show pending well after being shipped and delivered, or have a delay in updating payment information. They quickly reply with updates regarding payment inquiries. They are only a distributor so are subject to a supply chain but some orders have been delayed sometimes weeks at a time. 7/10

3. Post-sale customer support experience - They try their best here. They do have a tech that will use teamviewer to assist you in trying to solve issues that aren't hardware related, this is really handy and they spend a good deal of time trying. They will give you ideas on how to troubleshoot a hardware issue, but this is limited outside of their repair facilities. 8/10

4. Product quality- So far no major issue on my end. I had a slightly under performing machine that I haven't been able to find the issue; apart from LP mode it is still within spec. This is one of 3 M10 models. I also run a M20S. I have heard of the odd one having issues from others though, nothing wide spread. 9/10

For your questions, I haven't heard of any coupons other than the ones they offer on the website in the chat box. Not sure if they still have one of those there. The difference between the 2 distributors is really just who owns them, and maybe a few dollars in price. I don't know anything about the customer service or ordering differences.

It's still fairly vague but that's essentially the regulations around dealing with the Gains or losses from holding Crypto. I'm not positive on if day trading is seen differently as income as opposed to an appreciation or depreciation of an asset. The barter thing is also true, the assumption is no different than 2 farmers trading say a tractor for a grain bin. Which I don't imagine will survive as a way to avoid capital gains into the future as further understanding and regulations roll out.

It's been shown that enough platforms will attempt to go above and beyond what governments are seeking to avoid any possible issues down the road. So if it looks like governments want to know exact profit/loss from an exchange, with add-ins like addresses used, or source of coins; they will hand it over without a second thought. It's not a terrible system as long as people are aware of it if they want to keep any of their information or activities private. It will help people in the end to follow the tax laws of their country, and not receive a nasty notice at some point down the road.


Well they get their money one way or another, unfortunately when one side is already paying/bribing they then have time to squeeze the little guy. I guess as long as you can keep up on the legal requirements and pay taxes appropriately it should be no worry.

I prefer to communicate through the forum. I would either want you to send first or use escrow. PM or post if ylu are interested.

Edit: Sourced through an exchange no longer needed.

Just thought I'd throw this out there. I'm looking to grab 10 LTC if you have and want to trade let me know. I have BTC to offer up. I'm a little ties up at the moment but will check back to see if anyone is interested. Feel free to PM or post with your offers

Im interested and PM'ed ya thanks for reaching out!
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Hey just wanted to let you know I got my package yesterday. Great dealing with you and hope everything arrived on your end. See you around.

For your setup anything works as long as this is true - Your lease or rental agreement guarantees up to 600$ paid, without restriction.

500 @ .24 = 2083 KWH/30 = 61KWH per day /24 hours gives you room to run about 2.9 KW worth of gear.

You don't want to be to invested in hardware because at any moment really your landlord could decide to change the agreement at next renewal. Investing in things like upgrading the panel are not necessary, it adds to your cost and to utilize it you will end up going over your covered usage. Now without knowing where or how you plan to place these, I would say search the local markets to see what there is for older gear. You could run 2 S9's depending on the model. You could look at Avalons in the 9, 8 or even 7 series. Really whatever you can find cheapest with the most hashrate is your best option.

First time/Small miner reference for getting started.

You won't be able to as a newbie. So if you stick around the forum you could rank up. If your not interested in that you can buy a copper membership to enjoy those perks including posting images. Not generally a big deal if you post links someone will come along and do what WhyFLY  did.

No the Asics are limited. Try and order a new one right now, you can get a few at a very large mark-up or you can wait a few months. Assuming you could buy 1 000 000 of them right now, that's another 2 million they are going to build, 3 months from now.
Sure they could go around and buy up every old piece of hardware someone is willing to part with. That someone may not want to because they can still earn a little or want to mine, who knows. Same argument goes for the farms that they could buy. Unless those farms are losing money why would the owners want out? Most of these large players have positioned themselves with their farms from either early adoption or investing large amounts of capital to begin with.


It would be an interesting feat to print that cash, then get it into the hands of these manufacturers, all before it crashes whatever price it was holding when the idea seemed like a good one.