1 - Use the edit button instead of multiposting.
2 - People can say and do whatever they like here, within the forum guidelines. You can't limit how much one likes to swear, express their racist or bigoted views. All you can do is ignore them, or engage them on their behavior. I don't recommend the second, I know I wouldn't like being told to stop saying the "shit has hit the fan" and I do use it a lot.

The best advice on this forum is to grow thicker skin. If that doesn't work use your ignore button, but you may miss out on some good conversation.

Edit: Priceless title below. 

I don't think there needs to be any concrete Flag appeal. It's really no different than a reputation thread asking for Negative feedback to be removed. The flagged member can make there case the same way trying to convice people to remove their support for a certain flag, people will agree or disagree.

Inactive Flags will stay put from what I've noticed, this is beneficial in 2 ways I can think of. It shows a persons growth if they've come back from a flag-able offence. This would be inline with the forgiveness aspect theymos was introducing with the system. To me forgiving doesn't mean forgetting.

Secondly it will leave a record for when people create frivolous flags, or abuse the flag system. Not being able to remove them like feedback, means you do have to live with what you put out there. Giving people insight into whether or not they agree with your feedback/flag standards.

Sorry I'm not an expert at combing through the logs. I can generally figure out an issue with the Miner itself when that's the problem. In regards to what happened after the move hard to say, it could be a slightly different line voltage in your new location making it so the Pi isn't getting enough juice to support 5 miners per AUC3 - this is just a guess.

Have you tried firing it up again as a test with say 3 or 4 miners per AUC3? If not that should be your first step.
Do you have something like a Samsung phone charger wall brick?? That's what I was using for my PI's in the past - I've never had to run 5 machines per AUC3 though.

I can't help you with answers but why not go direct to the source and ask Chipmixer? The [ANN] thread is where I would start. If nothing else the conversation would be beneficial to the service in pointing out potential flaws if they exist. That won't change the trustless part, but they have been running a solid service with minimal complaints from what I've seen.

I'll keep this one open until 12:30 PM June 15th. If we don't get any new participants, I'll close this Raffle, and launch a new one with a different price structure; this will unfortunately add a small amount of muss maybe a little fuss. 

You should spread out your Avalons to AUC3 ratio. If you have the extra AUC3 adapters try going with a max of 4 per string and see how that goes. In the past people have had issues trying to operate 5 miners per AUC3. You may also be using weak power blocks for the Rasp PI's, I can't remember the minimum right now, I'll look again.

From OP.

What I was referring to would be the ability to control the modes ourselves. You indicated in the next quote that the machine essentially self tunes itself based on the room temperature. I am a person who runs a bank of 741's in the winter to heat my home, I like being able to overclock them in the coldest months and in fall/spring play with the settings to adjust the heating to my needs. So my suggestion is to save money and put out an inefficient miner, making it an efficient heater. The product pitch should be "The heater that pays", as that's what's being produced.

My reasoning here is that it should be more cost effective to use older/obsolete chips when compared to current gen gear. This can help get the cost of the product down to the point where it makes sense to someone to pick a few of these up. I also wouldn't launch it with multiple colors available for your first run, it has to be cheaper to buy all 1 color as opposed to being able to offer 3. If the product does catch a market share and gain adoption for heating future models could have a color option, but for now I'd say the obstacle is getting the cost down for people.

Crowdfunding is a good idea to get the capital needed for a launch. I don't follow it much but it's generally seen as more of a donation to inventors to help them get a prototype together or finance the first run of a product. Usually there are some "gifts" involved, or the opportunity to buy the product at discounted rate, or just the opportunity to buy first.

Best of luck to you with the project. Like I said before I like the project, I was excited when I saw Canaan putting a similar product together. They ultimately decided it wasn't viable outside China. Hopefully you can find the right group to buy these.

I think that's where most of our former hashrate whales are. There are some "bonus's" for those large guys,  a decent payout structure; still a higher fee but less variance.

I believe the bonus aspect is why they would be there opposed to slush or other options.

Thanks for doing all the legwork on this and the updates. You can't control the data just present it, so no disappointment here. Never now when a good time to get into a set investment is, but this probably wouldn't be the worst time to start another round, if someone picked up the torch.

We did learn it is probably best to create the wallets for any coins as opposed to using exchanges just in case.

I can't speak for anyone else, but i'd trust you enough to run a round bill

Sorry I'm on mobile and will update better later.

Yes I'm pretty sure that is -some long time member- with an alt of the day for whatever reason. I only grab quotes from obscurity to the and fill in the gaps of knowledge for the forum.

Theymos has an entire thread i came across once discussing altcoins but it doesn't reflect a forum system or policy so not really something that mattered for this thread as far as i was concerned.

I will spend time this weekend to go through the topic to find relevant snipits left by theymos once more become available for clarity.

Edit: by obscurity I mean publicly posted within the forum pages accessible by most users..

I opposed this. I believe that the negatives left are more than enough for this case, based on how people feel about the account. He did buy his account but I don't remember reading anything about him being an account seller. I'm also not entirely sure what happened in regards to timelines and when account selling became a community no-no, it seemed to have been blurred when this happened.  When I say blurred, what I previously thought were community timelines for this, appeared to be wrong.

Sorry to hear you got taken. Yes Pangolinminer.com and whatsminer.net are the 2 official distributors. You can follow this thread to find official distributors for all current hardware.
Here is the discussion thread for Whatsminer.net

You can see how I set something up rather quickly to try it out. Here's the post  in this thread.

That makes sense. It may help people establish an expectation when entering certain agreements. I could see there being a services aspect to it as well, covering things like an Escrow/Lender exit scam. I guess we'll see how this develops further. The OP gives the impression that the flags might be moderated the more I reread through it. Considering there seems to be the potential for recourse if abused, and that there is a "wrong" way to use this.

Agreed. It's no different to the threads I plan to generically link when I find Selfmod/locked sales topics with nothing more than an off forum communication.

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Has anyone thought much about what they are considering a loose commitment and written contract. I'm guessing it should go further than the "typed word= written contract". What would the standards be for pushing towards a 10 year Flag versus a 3 year flag.

I opposed it, nothing but slanderous lies 


That's unfortunate then. It still shows up right there on any board that displays it, just as visible. The only change there is that there isn't a trust score which I felt was less informative than a tally of all feedback left. I do think I'll still be leaving a healthy mix of them all, just going to be a while figuring out when to use what. I still like the idea of using the negatives because there is no guarantee that they'll be activated in a timely fashion, so it's a good back up.

Let's not forget these are complementary systems. It's just like having more signs on the highway. The old system is still there with the ability to leave feedback. So really there is no need to go back over everything in the past.

The ratings are still there and moving forward the flags can be applied as needed. You really only have to go back to flag cases you think are still active. Which is why my previous mention of something indicating a banned user or preventing a flag from being created can prevent unnecessary flags.

I created a flag for an implied contract for ky94PjDw I made it for 3 years and 1 month. So I'm wondering how it gets handled, right now it appears:

Despite the 3 year limitation it can be created
If made active, will it immediately disappear due to the time limitations on these?
Is there a permanent record of previous flags for which the time has been served?
Edit:
So this received enough support to but remained as expired, it does still show up under " inactive flags".

theymos can you elaborate on the whole concept of these flags disappearing. In the case of the newbie warning flag, if all supporters and the creator of the flag remove their support on that does the flag and it's warning dissapear?

This is probably your best bet. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138318.msg51357696#msg51357696

That takes you to offordscotts listings, he's a broker who posts all his listings in that thread but doesn't really search out into the Marketplace. Not sure if those are still available, but he's probably your best line on getting something sooner rather than latter. He also had a post somewhere about bulk M20 models.

Good advice. That's a good point you bring up. There isn't anyway to add in a more robust reference if the flag is direct linked in that manner. This is probably something that will have to be addressed, but I don't see it leaving many gaps of opportunity. Not sure the best workaround for that.

I wonder can the user that received the Flag can counter it themselves?  


If you don't have QS in your trust network I believe their vote isn't included in the tally for this to be visible to you.

Edit: I supported it, not sure if I'm in your network but that may have made it visible

I'm wondering if people are linking to direct threads what happens if that thread is trashed? Is the forum archiving these or would it be best practice for people to archive first as opposed to direct linking. I was thinking about this with some of the Self mod/locked topics if they chose to trash them, or if for some reason a thread was reported to be trashed.

Also just to clarify does this show up !!! for all scammer flags regardless of whether they have Negative feedback? (Assuming it's active)

Edit: Can there be a note or inability to create a flag placed on Banned accounts. This could save people some work if there is nothing left by the account they feel could result in a scam.

You're right. I made this as a way to leave my first flag while reviewing the system. I have since noticed that you can link directly to the topic you are flagging an individual for. This thread was going to be used if I am tagging a lot of users similar to Tineems.

They are generally 1-5 post newbies with a bunch of locked/self mod scam threads. In the past it's people I would have tagged with Negative feedback. The only problem I see with tagging those individuals with a topic thread is that unless I archive it first they could remove it.

It may not be the best way of going about it but, I'm going to try it for these particular types of instances.

You can read more about the trust flag system here.

Trust Flags