Hey everybody- Just got my SP10 today and so did my Dad. Both of them work great and we had them up and running in just a few minutes. I also just upgraded the firmware. A little icon exclamation mark near the button "firmware upgrade" appeared, so I upgraded and it only took a few seconds. One problem I'm having though. The noise. I really didn't think they would be that loud. These are truly meant for the data center and the build design should have clued me in on that when I saw it. My father is also a little perturbed about the noise level. So we are wondering. Can these be ran with the unit opened up and the enterprise fans turned off and use another type fan/blower to keep it cool? Has anyone done this? I know I should have known they were this loud from the design, but for in-home use it may be just a little too loud for me, and my father also. We both agreed we would sleep on it and make a decision soon on what to do. Has anyone here cooled an SP10 in any other way then using the stock enterprise fans? I really DO NOT want to sell it or be without it, but there is a limit to what I'm willing to do. 1. So, if we do decide not to keep our rigs does Spondoolies have anykind of return policy? I looked all over their website and couldn't find anything. I think this is the first thing I have ever purchased without knowing if it had a warranty and if it could be returned or not. I know this is a very touchy subject with companies, but both of them are in perfect working order and of course we'd pay for the shipping cost to send them back. I guess I should send an email to Spondoolie to from their website and ask there also. I don't know if they monitor this thread or not. 2. Me and my Dad both live in NJ. If we made the decision not keep our SP10's would anyone be interested in buying them? They are both already in NJ, so you wouldn't have to wait and could possibly have them up and running this weekend if we made the decision that quickly to sell them. I myself would really love to keep it, but being that I live in a ranch style house there's really no where to place the unit without it being heard from every room. And then I need to keep the window air conditioner on 24/7 in there to keep the temps at a decent level. I only have a 6000 BTU window unit and that's running on high right now and the temperature in that room is 78 degrees. I'm just thinking ahead a little bit and wondering what kind of melt down I'm going to have when the temperature outside is 95. I I know I really should have done a little more research, but I really got hung up on getting another miner. I still use and run my KNC Jupiter, which is in the same room...adding to the heat, but that unit run literally silent. I'm usually a more picky buyer and don't buy out of impulse, but what I really feel guilty about is I talked my Dad into buying one also. I told him it would be "noisier" then our KNC's but really didn't tell him it would sound like a Jet Plane.  I think the Spondoolie is built like a tank and works great. I just wish I had a data center rack somewhere to put it in. It wouldn't be cost effective to lease rack space, since it would cost more then what the miner would bring in. I did send an email to Spondoolie asking them these questions also. Maybe they can just host our SP10's if we are able to ship them back to them, who knows. I don't know how much it cost to lease rack space in a data center, but probably in NJ it is quite high. Maybe that's something else me and good ol' Dad can look into as well. Well, thanks for listening and sorry for such a long winded post. Man! I told you! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg6864778;topicseen#msg6864778What did you do with the ones you physically had? Did you have to sell them? My father is more prone to selling his since he lives with his wife and I live alone right now. |
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Hey everybody- Just got my SP10 today and so did my Dad. Both of them work great and we had them up and running in just a few minutes. I also just upgraded the firmware. A little icon exclamation mark near the button "firmware upgrade" appeared, so I upgraded and it only took a few seconds. One problem I'm having though. The noise. I really didn't think they would be that loud. These are truly meant for the data center and the build design should have clued me in on that when I saw it. My father is also a little perturbed about the noise level. So we are wondering. Can these be ran with the unit opened up and the enterprise fans turned off and use another type fan/blower to keep it cool? Has anyone done this? I know I should have known they were this loud from the design, but for in-home use it may be just a little too loud for me, and my father also. We both agreed we would sleep on it and make a decision soon on what to do. Has anyone here cooled an SP10 in any other way then using the stock enterprise fans? I really DO NOT want to sell it or be without it, but there is a limit to what I'm willing to do. 1. So, if we do decide not to keep our rigs does Spondoolies have anykind of return policy? I looked all over their website and couldn't find anything. I think this is the first thing I have ever purchased without knowing if it had a warranty and if it could be returned or not. I know this is a very touchy subject with companies, but both of them are in perfect working order and of course we'd pay for the shipping cost to send them back. I guess I should send an email to Spondoolie to from their website and ask there also. I don't know if they monitor this thread or not. 2. Me and my Dad both live in NJ. If we made the decision not keep our SP10's would anyone be interested in buying them? They are both already in NJ, so you wouldn't have to wait and could possibly have them up and running this weekend if we made the decision that quickly to sell them. I myself would really love to keep it, but being that I live in a ranch style house there's really no where to place the unit without it being heard from every room. And then I need to keep the window air conditioner on 24/7 in there to keep the temps at a decent level. I only have a 6000 BTU window unit and that's running on high right now and the temperature in that room is 78 degrees. I'm just thinking ahead a little bit and wondering what kind of melt down I'm going to have when the temperature outside is 95. I I know I really should have done a little more research, but I really got hung up on getting another miner. I still use and run my KNC Jupiter, which is in the same room...adding to the heat, but that unit run literally silent. I'm usually a more picky buyer and don't buy out of impulse, but what I really feel guilty about is I talked my Dad into buying one also. I told him it would be "noisier" then our KNC's but really didn't tell him it would sound like a Jet Plane. I think the Spondoolie is built like a tank and works great. I just wish I had a data center rack somewhere to put it in. It wouldn't be cost effective to lease rack space, since it would cost more then what the miner would bring in. I did send an email to Spondoolie asking them these questions also. Maybe they can just host our SP10's if we are able to ship them back to them, who knows. I don't know how much it cost to lease rack space in a data center, but probably in NJ it is quite high. Maybe that's something else me and good ol' Dad can look into as well. Well, thanks for listening and sorry for such a long winded post. |
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KNC sent me a hosted Juniper that I had with them. However 2 out of the 4 dies are dead. They have verified this after running the diagnostics. They now want me to pay for the return of the defective boards and then wait until they investigate the issue.
The miner did not work at all out of the box, was defective to begin with. Should I be required to pay for return shipping ? Is that how it works with manufacturers ?
Yep, that's the way they play it. While most companies honor their products and would pay for shipping both ways, KNC won't do that for you. My father lives in NJ and it cost him $114 to send one board. These rigs aren't even close to what we would call a normal warranty...at least KNC could do is pay for shipping for the customer, especially if their hardware dies in such a short time out of the gate. It is very obvious KNC doesn't want to deal with customer's going forward. Making customer's pay for shipping costs when the product is only 6-8 months old. I hope everyone just remembers this when KNC tries to sell something else. People will be saying to themselves, "ouch, that $114 dollar sting I got stuck with to ship their defective hardware back when it was only 7 months old, no I'll pass and move on to the next company". |
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I forgot to mention, but I got my BTC refund for 3 Neptunes on the 20th May, just hours before the price started to rise. KNC couldn't have chosen a better time. Original purchase price for 3 was around 30400USD and I got 66.5BTC back at 457USD exchange rate. With the current exchange rate that is almost $8000 ahead. I am so glad I requested a refund I guess the only way you can "profit" off of a refund in BTC is if you paid less for the bitcoin at the time of purchase, right? Or had it sitting in a wallet mined it for free, then anything over the price they charged would be %100 profit. Shit, not a bad deal. A blessing in disguise. Now, everyone with that profit go BUY some bitcoin! |
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If you donīt trust the seller, get Escrow via OgNasty or another person.
Ebay selling fees of ~10% are just ridiculous.
I despise Ebay and Paypal. Will Spoondoolies ever sell their power supplies by themselves? In case we want to get an extra/backup one? These aren't the kind you can easily grab at the store, that's why I'm asking. Thanks. You can get the "upgraded" 1250W version fairly cheap on ebay (used/refurbished). New they are around 300-400$ so i donīt think you would just buy one to have it sitting around. Take care though, there is a 5V and a 3.3V (support voltage for management board) version of it, and i donīt know which one it uses (i suggest 5V though). Also, i donīt think your warranty will hold when you just switch the PSU without a reason. Server grade PSUs have a lifetime of atleast 5 years, so i donīt think you will manage to get one broken within the lifespan of the sp10. This was the whole point why I asked on the Spondoolies thread. I don't want to buy one on Ebay or a refurbished one. I'd like to get a brand new one as a backup to the one that will be running my current SP10. Trying to save a few dollars and jumping on Ebay is something I don't do. I'd rather go through Spondoolie since they know exactly which ones to use. |
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After confirmation of payment, How long to send?
How long to ship out you mean? It is shipped within a day or two. They are shipping from stock. |
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Hi guys, i try order SP10, Spondoolies-Tech send me invoice : recipient send to Israel ,but banks branch is in Czech Republic, did you get same invoices ?Thanks
See here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg6640432#msg6640432How hard would it be for the lazy admin Thermos to create a "Search this thread only" feature? Also it amazes me that people are so careful about the bank thing even if SP-Tech is already known as a trust able company, but people had no problem in sending money to BFL who is run by a convicted felon for mail scamming and after failing so many times. They are careful because it is a taxation issue, as everything gets controlled in EU. Check this thread out. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=515932.0;topicseenAnd the kicker is this place gets FREE hosting. https://bitcointalk.org/donate.htmlI can't find the thread, but if I could remember the last time I checked this forum was sitting on over a million dollars / USD worth of bitcoin. I don't care about that, but come on, at least update/upgrade the forum software with such a large resource pool there. With that kind of money (and they've had it a long time) software from scratch with the best programmers could have been written. Sorry, rambling. |
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I read on the Spondoolie-tech site that you can set the SP10 on its side for optimal cooling. Does it matter which side you put it on? Since I don't have the hardware yet I can't tell is there is a better side to put it on or not.
Also, about the firmware. Is there an active firmware download area off the website or is the firmware update/upgrade all "auto-mated" through the UI?
Thanks.
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Anyone have issues getting their products through customs? Mine is being held right now in the US and they won't deliver it until they get more paperwork for it. I called Fedex and they said it needed more paperwork and emailed it to me. I asked Fedex why would I be filling out paperwork for a shipment when I'm the receiver? I tightly planned my work schedule around this delivery and plans and this is causing a big headache right now. So I call Fedex again and they email me papers and ask me to fill out. I told them I'm just the receiver and don't know what to include on these papers and they should have come from the shipper. Anyway, I filled them out the best I could earlier today and it still indicates a customs delay. I'm really hoping I get some good luck here. I'd hate to have a $3000 product I paid for be sitting somewhere at customs in several states away.
I also got a customs delay with my shipment. Within a few hours, I had received a phone call from FedEx asking me to fill out an importer form. The form took all of about 30 seconds to complete - it was just my name, address and importer number (which since I'm not a company is just my social security number). I emailed that back and the package was released from customs. All of this I was able to do while sitting at JFK waiting for my flight to take off for Tokyo. The girl I spoke with at FedEx was very helpful. She said the reason I had to fill out this form was because the value of the shipment was greater than $2500. Now, since I've filled that out and it's on file with FedEx, any future shipments from Spondoolies-Tech will be cleared. This is very similar to what I had to go through. I think we should include this type of information in the future in this thread (which is now included) so when someone comes across issues like this they know what to expect and do and how to resolve the problem. Or when Spondoolies sends you that final email with your tracking information to include information like this so the buyer knows what to expect. Since not every FedEx employee is diligent as the other, some could sit in customs unnecessarily for days and the buyer thinks all is good. Just a suggestion. |
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Anyone have issues getting their products through customs? Mine is being held right now in the US and they won't deliver it until they get more paperwork for it. I called Fedex and they said it needed more paperwork and emailed it to me. I asked Fedex why would I be filling out paperwork for a shipment when I'm the receiver? I tightly planned my work schedule around this delivery and plans and this is causing a big headache right now. So I call Fedex again and they email me papers and ask me to fill out. I told them I'm just the receiver and don't know what to include on these papers and they should have come from the shipper. Anyway, I filled them out the best I could earlier today and it still indicates a customs delay. I'm really hoping I get some good luck here. I'd hate to have a $3000 product I paid for be sitting somewhere at customs in several states away.
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Hey, does anyone know how to tell which electrical outlets are on the same circuit? Is there some kind of tool out there you can buy that you can plug in one outlet then go around to each other outlet and when it sees that other plug it will light up or something? When my house was built the electricians did a SHIT job, but since I switched from central AC to window AC I have some power to play with but want to make sure what outlets are on what breaker. I know they messed up because a couple outlets in my living room go out at the same time ones go out in my office. And that's two room away. Unless that's the way it is done? I was NEVER any good at electricity. Horrible at it.
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Well I finally did it! I tripped the main breaker to the house. All of my miners (including 29 FrankenJup boards), pool pump, central A/C, portable A/C, evap cooler, various fans, washing machine and microwave were running and I turned on the TV and the breaker tripped. Also, it's over 100f today.
I immediately tried resetting it after turning everything off and it wouldn't start. I waited 30 minutes and it finally reset.
So it looks like I'm going to have to start getting rid of some of my ASICs, underclock my FrankenJups even more or look for datacenter hosting... unless someone has some other helpful tips that don't involve me adding more electrical service to my house.
Impressive. Most impressive. Impressive? I'd call it scary. You jacked your main breaker to the point that it took 30 mins to cool down so it would reset. Don't take the past suggestions of "Don't use this, don't use that" Here is the suggestion, reduce your mining equipment until this does not happen. The safety of your home is at risk. My advice is reduce mining, then turn all that shit on, microwaves, ac, pool pumps etc. and if the breaker does not pop then you have fixed the problem. Yea dude....you don't wanna burn down your friggin house even if it is a rental or not to mine for bitcoin. You'll either be dead or in jail for killing someone. |
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Well I finally did it! I tripped the main breaker to the house. All of my miners (including 29 FrankenJup boards), pool pump, central A/C, portable A/C, evap cooler, various fans, washing machine and microwave were running and I turned on the TV and the breaker tripped. Also, it's over 100f today.
I immediately tried resetting it after turning everything off and it wouldn't start. I waited 30 minutes and it finally reset.
So it looks like I'm going to have to start getting rid of some of my ASICs, underclock my FrankenJups even more or look for datacenter hosting... unless someone has some other helpful tips that don't involve me adding more electrical service to my house.
This of course was expected, right? You live in the US and have normal home wiring? Right now i just have a Jupiter and will be adding an Spoondoolie SP10 and that will be a challenge for me when it gets warmer out. Keeping everything running and cool is gonna be a bitch and LOTS of people are going to freak when they keep snapping breakers in their home. This is why I stopped myself from getting an SP30, just don't have the juice and can't afford to re-wire my home. What puts a big question mark in my head is die hard miners will spend some times $5,000 upgrading their electrical panel in their home, but they won't add that to the total of the cost of the mining hardware to break even? |
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If you donīt trust the seller, get Escrow via OgNasty or another person.
Ebay selling fees of ~10% are just ridiculous.
I despise Ebay and Paypal. Will Spoondoolies ever sell their power supplies by themselves? In case we want to get an extra/backup one? These aren't the kind you can easily grab at the store, that's why I'm asking. Thanks. |
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Dead die?
This is an October Jupiter that's been running from 24/7. Noticed I have a dead die. I already increased the SPI voltage all the way up to 3.3V and it wouldn't kick it on. Then I slowly increased the individual die voltage to the MAX, which is +.1465. Didn't awake up the die either. Is there anything else that can be done to kick this die on? I would really thought that the rig would last a lot longer then 8 months. My October Jup is dying - every now & then it stops hashing and says pool URL invalid in PuTTy.
a few reboots/restarts/curse words later and it usually gets back down the shaft
but its happening more often and requiring more effing about to get it back hashing.
in fairness it could do with a scrub - but that can wait.
how about them refunds? Did you upgrade to Firmware 1.01 ? Maybe Firmware 1.01 was made to break Octorber/November miners. Been stable with V1 and stayed there. No reason for me to update it. |
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They are definately more reliable than any US-based Bitcoin mining manufacturer.
The hardware provided is delivered on-time and spec.
Every bitcoin miner manufacturer was fabulous when they first started. All of them. Soon as they all go rich, loads of money in their pocket change into what KNC is now. I can't say it will happen with Spoondoolies, but that's the basic trend and it is very obvious. I "hope" it doesn't happen to Spoondoolies, they seem like a great bunch of people, but so did everyone else when they started up. Good Luck! the difference is, Spondoolies had the money before they started selling their SP10 batch 1, what they have done and continue to do for bitcoin mining, is very commendable. Yes, it's a business and so they need to make profit; but when all others fleeced us for pre-orders, Sp-Tech set up VC's and angels to fund our endeavours. that's the difference between a company who says they won't mine more than 5% of what they build and a company who are intent on spreading the network hashrate as widely as possible. It's made my decision whether to keep mining or power down so much easier, if it wasn't for spondoolies, i'd probably just have powered down all my old rigs and never bought another bitcoin miner in my life. For me, they are putting the worth back into the enjoyment of it all. I'll agree with that, since it sounds just like my story. Even though it is only an SP10, its the first mining hardware I that was ever "in stock" and didn't have to wait 5 months for it without my money. The one thing I have found a little different about companies that you don't need to pre-order from is that they are a little less expensive. Oh, well....its a winding train ride and we'll see what happens. |
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They are definately more reliable than any US-based Bitcoin mining manufacturer.
The hardware provided is delivered on-time and spec.
Every bitcoin miner manufacturer was fabulous when they first started. All of them. Soon as they all go rich, loads of money in their pocket change into what KNC is now. I can't say it will happen with Spoondoolies, but that's the basic trend and it is very obvious. I "hope" it doesn't happen to Spoondoolies, they seem like a great bunch of people, but so did everyone else when they started up. Good Luck! |
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My October Jup is dying - every now & then it stops hashing and says pool URL invalid in PuTTy.
a few reboots/restarts/curse words later and it usually gets back down the shaft
but its happening more often and requiring more effing about to get it back hashing.
in fairness it could do with a scrub - but that can wait.
how about them refunds?
Maybe their hardware is really not as good as everyone said it was. Their products are only around 8 months old. |
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Dead die? This is an October Jupiter that's been running from 24/7. Noticed I have a dead die. I already increased the SPI voltage all the way up to 3.3V and it wouldn't kick it on. Then I slowly increased the individual die voltage to the MAX, which is +.1465. Didn't awake up the die either. Is there anything else that can be done to kick this die on? I would really thought that the rig would last a lot longer then 8 months.  Try turning the overclocking off? How do you turn overclocking off? Give the module no air and suffocate it? It is not the die, it is your VRM not starting up. Try to reboot a few million times and if still does not start up, you will need to change the VRM module. There is some way also to wake it up soldering bypass resistors, but then will be no controllable from your GUI anymore. Oh hey, that sounds like fun! Everyone should break out the soldering gun rather than RMA. Or rather, they should just live with the defect because trying to fix it isn't cost effective... at all. Wake up people! Anything that doesn't gain you at least 1 THs these days isn't worth you worrying about. Things have changed drastically over the past few months. Worrying about 160GHs is a waste of your time and effort. It is not a waste of time, it is expected to work regardless how much hashing it can do. |
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Dead die? This is an October Jupiter that's been running from 24/7. Noticed I have a dead die. I already increased the SPI voltage all the way up to 3.3V and it wouldn't kick it on. Then I slowly increased the individual die voltage to the MAX, which is +.1465. Didn't awake up the die either. Is there anything else that can be done to kick this die on? I would really thought that the rig would last a lot longer then 8 months. Try turning the overclocking off? How do you turn overclocking off? Give the module no air and suffocate it? |
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