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1601  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 17, 2018, 09:41:39 PM
Who sold at the bottom?


I sold a little when it looked like it wasn't going to break $10k and then I cried all the way to $20k and back down..
I don't feel too bad about it now but I would like to buy it back..
1602  Other / Meta / Re: Dear Source Merits! on: September 17, 2018, 08:40:21 PM
The crypto economy is also an important part of this forum.. Or this forum is also an important part of the crypto economy?
A lot of people are very concentrated on stopping spam but I think the health of the economy must be considered when deciding what to do to mitigate spam..

For example, it is the opinion of some that signature campaigns should be banned entirely..
That for sure would stop a lot of spam but man that would be a whole lot of flowing money stopped dead in its tracks..
How many people got their first crypto to play with from signature campaigns? How much have they contributed to the adoption of cryptocurrency as a whole?

Bounties?
I bet a lot of people would like to kick bounties right off the forum, but look at all those people using cryptocurrencies, learning to use crypto, earning, trading, and selling crypo..
It's a whole lot of money moving in the GDP of crypto, and a whole lot of users that would probably have never owned a satoshi otherwise..
1603  Economy / Reputation / Re: Merit palming, Low Quality Post Merited. on: September 17, 2018, 07:00:50 PM
I want to send one too. And I don't know why he got 5 merits for that  Undecided

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030127.0
Well, the post was well-written with good grammar for one thing.  Those two things are so rare on this forum that any posts with the two combined are a rarity.  Plus those 5 merits came from two different people, and since they're higher-ranked members, I generally trust that this wasn't some sort of merit-buying scheme.  It really wasn't a bad post at all.

Jealousy is an ugly thing, and I'm seeing a lot of it this morning in Meta.  

Edit:
I do not think a simple comment can get 5 merits. Too confusing for this problem.
Kind of like how bounty shitposters do it?  If you'd ever done any reading here, you'd realize that a well-written post in clear English would certainly have a good chance at earning merits from multiple members.  But hey, keep being confused if you like.

The point is that this merited post, even though it is absolutely nothing special, it is, nevertheless, as the Pharmacist has said, well written and he is even making a point (most of the Bounty campaigns around are bullshit project).
For the merit system to work (it's not working well YET) we need to understand that nicely written posts with good grammar and which are making a point SHOULD be merited. The merit system should not be a system enforced to reward just excellence, but to get rid of spamming shitposters. When all decent posts will get at least one merit on average, the merit system will have achieved it real goal.


HI, that was me!!

I started looking at the guys post history before he got any of those merits, I left his history page open and had to go to my moms..
Before he got any of those merits, before my research was done, I was considering giving him the 9 or 10 merits he needed to rank up..

Yep, I was considering straight ranking that person up but didn't make a decision yet..
By time I got back and back to my decision making, he got a few merits, so I only gave him 4..

I have been looking for someone that deserves merit but hasn't got any that I could just straight rank up all on my own..

He is pretty close now and I have been planning on checking on him sometime again..

I had one other possibly worthy contender but the person never responded to my questions about their project so they missed out.. So far..

I have been wanting to rank someone up with 10 merits by myself, but I haven't found the right person..
1604  Other / Meta / Re: Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements on: September 17, 2018, 06:06:34 PM
Awesome! Great news and a great amount of pages quickly by the time I found it..

This is better than just new merit sources, also coming with more harshness to 0 merited posters, which is also great..
I don't think it is too harsh and could be harsher as hilarious suggests so be grateful, it could be worse..
Their really isn't much point in complaining about it newbs, because if you can't get 1 merit, you need to do some serious self reflection..

BTW this somewhat renders things I have recently posted about sources giving higher numbers obsolete, this is ultimately a better solution if it proves to be enough..

Maybe this will also lessen the contrary opinion to a youtube channel Smiley

I usually wouldn't post this late in a thread but felt the need to throw in my 2 satoshis worth of of GOOD JOB THEYMOS..
Long live Bitcointalk!

I find myself agreeing with the rationale behind these changes, of course there was no way of going ahead based on how things were a few months bac prior to the introduction of merits.  However, my complain then and now is, it seems to me that the majority of people tend to hoard merits.   In many cases, note worthy posts some of which i can claim i have made, have gone unnoticed nor merited by anybody.  

Obviously i accept this is the state of play as posts are merely opinions really and at best subjective.   I guess my point is whilst this is a necessary system and an effective improvement, i think further tweaks may be necessary to make earning merits methodically achievable.   As things stands, i would argue that some of the best comments/posts have not all been merited therefore folks who may deserve it are not getting the merits they deserve.

Using myself as an example, i would like to think that many of my posts have been helpful/insightful for some people yet haven't received any merits for any of them.  I could be wrong, but i wound't mind anyone taking a look at my posts and if it turns out i don't deserve any merits, feedback on quality would be appreciated.

I absolutely agree that not all posts deserving merit have gotten merit.. That is plain to all..
Their are many reasons for that and they are being discussed and worked on..

I f you would look on the bright side, this change may hurt some newb accounts on one hand but it should also get a LOT more merit flowing out there now to help to reach these posts that haven't been merited, so (prior to looking at your post history) this new change should be beneficial to remedy exactly what you are stating in your post.. "to make earning merits methodically achievable" as you say..

i wound't mind anyone taking a look at my posts and if it turns out i don't deserve any merits, feedback on quality would be appreciated.

I'll take a gander at your posts and let you know if you should just keep up the good work, make suggestions, or call you a dipshit spammer, but I'll let you know.. PM
1605  Other / Meta / Re: Merits shouldn't be an individual's arbitrary decision on: September 17, 2018, 05:54:11 PM
i do not really feel handing out merits should be left entirely in the hands of those who have racked up numerous merits,or the big guns in the forum

Anyone who has more than 2 merits has at least 1 merit to hand out. Maybe you should consider your own ineptitude before blaming everyone else.

Edit: And your latest post here is plagiarized from here. Archived and reported. Enjoy your ban.

Another warning to everyone currently begging for merit - maybe you should consider your own stupidity before drawing attention to yourself.

Epic burn, high 5!

Step right on up to the plate and get the merit you deserve!!

I can just imagine this guy slamming his keyboard but maybe he has a ton of alt accounts and is used to losing one here and there..

100% backfire..
1606  Other / Meta / Re: sMerit participants – a worrying descending trend (!/?) on: September 17, 2018, 05:36:05 PM
With the new rules today I want to follow up in this thread about our recent discussion of the matter..

New conditions of the merit system have been implemented similar to what has been suggested by many in this thread and I will be especially interested in continuing to follow the data presented in the OP of this thread as it continues to develop, to see what effect it has..

And I found this, check it out..
You are now a merit source, or if you were already a merit source, your monthly source merit was increased.

I recommend:
 - If a newbie posts something that could be even called good, then give them 1 merit. It doesn't need to be a great post.
 - It's best to use all of your source merit. If you don't naturally do so, try giving people more merit per post on average. If you don't send your source merit, then nobody gets it, but if you do send it, then the recipient can pass half of it on.
 
Thanks!

It seems Theymos is onboard with a broad variety of our opinions on the matter..

The most popular opinion I believe was more sources, and it has been done..
Their has been a lot of talk about those with a thousand posts and not a single merit, and offence against such has been taken..

In Theymos's message he iterates that even a standard acceptable post is worthy of a single merit while not having to be overly extravagant or incredibly beneficial. Really, how knowledgeable and capable of being extremely beneficial would you expect a Jr. through even full member to be? Everyone doesn't have to be a nullius..

The 2nd recommendation from Theymos basically outlines another point some of us have been making, as to the scaling of how much merit means how much, he recommends possibly increasing your number in attempt to get more merit flowing in the economy..

Even beyond what I said earlier, he recommends to use ALL of your merit, as if he means for the amount of source merit he has given to be input into the economy to flow, possibly as if it's a calculated amount that he wants to get out there but that is speculation..

Theymos agrees with almost all of us well intentioned commenters so maybe this will sooth a lot of the "Theymos doesn't listen to us/care about us" crowd..

Lets watch the topic data of the OP develop from here while hoping and working for the best..
1607  Other / Meta / Re: Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements on: September 17, 2018, 04:57:50 PM
Awesome! Great news and a great amount of pages quickly by the time I found it..

This is better than just new merit sources, also coming with more harshness to 0 merited posters, which is also great..
I don't think it is too harsh and could be harsher as hilarious suggests so be grateful, it could be worse..
Their really isn't much point in complaining about it newbs, because if you can't get 1 merit, you need to do some serious self reflection..

BTW this somewhat renders things I have recently posted about sources giving higher numbers obsolete, this is ultimately a better solution if it proves to be enough..

Maybe this will also lessen the contrary opinion to a youtube channel Smiley

I usually wouldn't post this late in a thread but felt the need to throw in my 2 satoshis worth of of GOOD JOB THEYMOS..
Long live Bitcointalk!

1608  Economy / Reputation / Re: Merit palming, Low Quality Post Merited. on: September 17, 2018, 03:46:11 PM
it is very bad thing for merit palming. Do not seeing what the moderators.

Palming?
Is this the lingo?

I regularly participate in the Altcoin Discussion Forum. There are many quality posts and good reviews. But it does not seem to have much merit by those who have merit.

Right, their are a lot of posts there that deserve merit but don't get it.. True..

But the section you mention is so full of shitposts that it drowns out the good posters..
People aren't going to read through all the shitposts to find posts to merit.. It's too swamped..
1609  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Please discuss the opinion and do not look at the rank .! on: September 15, 2018, 11:39:02 PM
snip

It would have been better not to publish this participation
Please delete it

yeah, No..

This would be a defamation of that member
And I do not like it
Only I discuss some behavior and do not discuss people

Maybe I'm wrong in my opinion
Let's discuss behaviors.

The cause behavior I see is all 3 of you trying to communicate in a language that none of you completely grasp..
1610  Other / Meta / Re: sMerit participants – a worrying descending trend (!/?) on: September 15, 2018, 11:33:53 PM
What is a big question mark for me is what could happen with all the sMerit from the initial airdrop that has not been put into their first circulation at any point. The quantity of such is way above what has actually been awarded in total so far, so that is a potential pool of merit abuse that can be slowly leaked into the system at any time… or not. It’s just that there is a lot from the airdrop that is stalled, and you never know how it could be played with if at all.

This is interesting, what do you have for stats on this? By quantity of dormant smerit and % of accounts that have just never used their smerit?

How possible do you think it is that a good portion of these people are still unaware of the whole merit thing and don't realize they have them and should be giving them away?
What if they just don't know?


A reason I suggested what I did (giving higher numbers), not that I think it's the best action possible, but it is a readily available action that doesn't require asking Theymos for anything, which would likely be a nonstarter..
Maybe more sources would be better, but it's not something that can just be done..
1611  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Please discuss the opinion and do not look at the rank .! on: September 15, 2018, 10:46:45 PM
Hi
I read a comment for a Hero rank
As if she was making fun of Newbie because he had said his opinion
And she pointed out that he is a beginner - it is not right to say opinion
Here I am wondering
Why are some people looking at rank?



Why don't you post a link so we can decide for ourselves?

Could be that this hero is just an asshole.. Could be that this newb said something incredibly stupid.. Or a bit of both..

Ok, here we go.. I found it myself..

Do not panic Forum participants with this topic. Personally, I see many good and promising projects in which the bounty campaigns have good results. Look - there are good ICO. I wish good luck to everyone.


LOL as being a newbie rank in this forum. How do you promise and say that many good bounty projects. I do understand your feeling about worthy project but with this rank. I am not sure how you are saying this. May be this your alt.
Let's talk about the topic, it's really worth to participate in worthy ICO and make money once it has been listed in the exchange.

Why do you care about the rank only?
Criticize the opinion of logic and do not judge through the rank.!
We are not in an army.



I think what is going on here is you guys don't even understand eachother..

The newb says "promising projects" and hero understands the post as if the newb was making a promise that the projects are good.. ??
I think..


If you aren't proficient in English enough to post proper sentences, is it extra hard to comprehend other posts that are also not the greatest English? Likely I think..

If the newb was promising that projects were good I don't think it would be completely out of line to blast him for his rank, but it doesn't look like that was what he was trying to say so......  

You didn't pick up on this yourself OP?
idk, their isn't much more to say about it.. I don't think this would have happened if you were all proficient in the language of the board you are posting on..

1612  Other / Meta / Re: Can someone delete these posts and ban this person/their accounts on: September 15, 2018, 02:30:15 PM
I lol'd

Sorry about the thread damage but that's pretty comical..
1613  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 15, 2018, 02:00:32 PM
Today is the 10th anniversary of the Lehman bankruptcy. Returns if you bought stocks at the close that day and held to today...
JP Morgan: +285%
S&P 500: +198%
Wells Fargo: +126%
Goldman Sachs: +93%
Morgan Stanley: +75%
Bank of America: +27%
Citigroup: -51%


https://twitter.com/charliebilello/status/1040943672848736256

Nice recovery
Only surpriced about Citi

doesn't even seem worth getting out of bed for compared to Bitcoin, lol..
Suckers!!

If that chart isn't adjusted for inflation, in 10 years, it's even less impressive..
1614  Other / Meta / Re: sMerit participants – a worrying descending trend (!/?) on: September 15, 2018, 01:39:01 PM
It would be pretty simple for sources to realize this and start awarding 3X-10X the merit they are awarding, just type in a bigger number..
Instead of awarding 1, 2, 5 merits, which seems to be the norm, they could take the lack of merit in circulation into account, and award 5, 10, 20 merits instead..
It wouldn't be any more work and would get more smerit flowing out there..
The sources do basically have a surplus of smerit to send don't they?


I understand it's pretty easy to decide what posts deserve merit, but how do you decide how much merit they deserve?
Obviously more merit for better posts but how much is a lot and how much is so small it's just insignificant?

I guess you would have to decide how much the person deserves to rank up VS how much merit it takes to accomplish that for them..

Theymos awards many 10, 20, and 30 blocks of merits, maybe he is trying to lead by example?
In comparison if you look at LoyceV, this person awards merit a lot, but they are almost all just 1s and 2s..
Jetcash, almost all 1s 2s and 5s..

Why not 5s, 10s, and 15s?
If it's worth your time for the clicking and deciding isn't it worth more than just 1?
Trading with satoshis is fun but it doesn't get you anywhere quick..

Also, how good does a post really need to be to be worthy of merit? I guess atleast worth your time to click the buttons (which could possibly be more efficient)..

But I mean, with the average quality of posts around here, how much above and beyond a non-shitpost does a post need to be to be worth merit?
If it was an easier one click deal, just simple constructive comments may be as worthy of a merit as a simple like click on youtube..

Maybe someone could come up with a little bot, script, or browser extension or whatever, so when you click the +Merit button it automatically just sticks a 2 in the box, clicks send, and closes the new tab that popped up..
So you could just set that mofo to full auto and one click, bam, 2 merits, and you could merit a lot more posts small amounts of merit more easily..
To bypass the bot and award a 10 merit block, right click the +Merit, open in new window, so the bot doesn't act on it, and fill it out manually, but have your 2 merit on speed dial..

Maybe something like that would let them put down a lot more volume of merited posts if they like their 1s and 2s so much..

I think suggesting to have it changed in the forum software is eh, maybe after a long time..
I would almost like to suggest activity period smerit airdrops similar to the original airdrop but I don't think suggesting changes to the forum itself is the answer.. We should try to do the best we can with what we have to work with, imo..


suchmoon is the most generous.. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsend
This source seems to be awarding all 4s, previously all 7s and before that all 5s..

2nd is chimk
all 1s, 2s, and 3s..

Foxpup @ 3
1s-6s

qwk @ 4
mostly 1s and a few higher here and there..

Are 1s even worth clicking for?

It would be pretty easy for any of them to get to the top of that board by doing what Suchmoon does, awarding all 4s instead of so many 1s.. Or even higher..
1615  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 15, 2018, 03:17:19 AM
https://www.blockchain.com/charts/trade-volume?timespan=all
USD volume seems to be increasing since june..


CMC since june





Up a little..

Price has pretty much been the same since then excluding a high it hit..


the end of june seems to also have been the lowest low price...

Was june the bottom?
Is june the reversal?
moon soon?
1616  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 15, 2018, 02:39:20 AM
Got a link please ?

aw shit I meant to post it..

https://data.bitcoinity.org/markets/volume/6m?c=e&t=b

Naw, that can't be right either..

It shows the volume falling off in jan of 17..
I can't imagine that to be the case buy why..Huh

The pie chart colors correspond to different exchanges than the chart colors with a different legend, lol wtf..

looks like around that time the Chinese exchanges got their volume cut from the count? idk
1617  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 15, 2018, 02:34:10 AM
Not meaningless but fair criticism.  

Agree..



Just googled and found this one








It's pretty cool and has a pie chart of the exchanges volumes like you usually see for mining pools hash rate.. Nice!


So yeah, by BTC volume it does look a bit slow..
But that in USD these days is a big deal apparently..
1618  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 15, 2018, 02:20:17 AM
if you could find one that charts total volume across all exchanges that would be worth analyzing.

That's why I chose the CMC chart, but I didn't find a button to turn the vol into btc.. https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/#charts
I like to use the bitcoinwisdom chart but the vol wouldn't be accurate for the entire market..

It's crazy how a tiny exchange will grow to be the biggest exchange and then all the volume will just go to another exchange and they never stay the same.. The volume just flows around..
1619  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 14, 2018, 11:38:10 PM
Volume is piss poor.   



Volume is maintaining nicely IMO. It is still higher than any point in history other than during the great pump and some of the worst of the dump..
Maybe this could be considered the new base volume to be expected on the low end, but since the pump their must be more money flying around constantly..

Granted it is USD volume, and with BTC being so much higher that means more USD for the same amount of BTC so it is definitely possible that previous volume was higher if measure in the amount of bitcoins traded rather than the USD value of the trades..
1620  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 14, 2018, 10:56:25 PM
I sold my bitchcoin too soon and had that crap feel as I saw it pumped up after I had let mine go.. But now, it doesn't feel like I sold them too soon anymore..

I was never a bcash lover but I'll admit for a while there I was a bit nervous about it, having dumped all of it I could reasonable get to on my keys.. If it took over I would have been screwed but now I'm not worried about it anymore. They tried their best to harm and replace Bitcoin and now it is clear that they have failed..

I got the first post on this (infamous?) "@RogerVer lets make a deal. At least 60k, my BTU for your BTC." thread and at first it looked like he was going to take the deal, and my call was wrong, but he never did take the deal, and my call was eventuall right!!
Ha!

Does anyone know if Ver ended up losing a bunch of money on his beecoin blitz or did he pump and dump enough to make it have been worth his while?

I still have a cas half with .5 Bcoin on it and a lot of other forks still on old seeds I have cycled out of service, that I need to eventually get to and dump..
Ledger needs an update so I might as well get my BTC off of it first and then start it up with a new seed, so I can compromise the old seed trying to claim forks..

Edit: maybe their is some question as to who backed out but when it was still going down I think I recall Ver backing out first atleast..
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