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1081  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: October 16, 2023, 01:32:47 PM
This means that bookmakers estimate very highly that Tunda can win the tournament even from the losers’ bracket. I don't believe in this at all.
Before this placing in the bracketing, they were really the contender and the favorite of the crowd and even the bookies. But now that they're in the losers bracket, I don't think that odds should be retained and still be favorable to them. Looking at the teams that are in the losers bracket, you'll never know if they will survive and if they do, it's all about going through hell on them.

As for the team with the highest odds, it is nouns, who showed a simply amazing game. Now the main question is whether they could continue to play the same way. If someone believes in their victory, they can bet on their victory in the grand final x100.0 (previously it was x151)  Grin
Great odds are with nouns and even after sending Tundra to the lower bracket, many still underestimate them but that's it. Next week, they'll be up against Azure Ray in the upper bracket and AR isn't just a simple team, they're still the Chinese power house. It's like an incomplete set for this TI because we only get 1 team remaining from the China region and from the SEA region. But that's it, we all have to wait for the changes that Valve will make about the next qualification for TI13. Going back to the teams and TI, we have got five days of rest before we see some actions again. I am sure that most teams will review each gameplays and obviously their opponents.
1082  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling and it effects on: October 16, 2023, 12:55:56 PM
Just always remember in doing things, we must take accountability and we need to be responsible in doing all of it including gambling. We see legitimate worries and concerns from people who don't really gamble because they see the side effects of it from those gamblers who are not aware of its effect. It's nice to see people like them that have genuine concern because all they want is the best for everybody. But also, actual and real gamblers know what's best for them and they're all aware that gambling could do good and at the same time bad things for them if they ever allow some negative thoughts from them. The ones who have experienced bad things with gambling can simply quit and forget about its existence. But can't stop the ones that are also still optimistic about it and can't stop themselves in doing so because they're enjoying it and are not removing the fact that they can win some bucks through it.
1083  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: October 16, 2023, 10:15:55 AM
~snip~
Whether we like it or not, when you taste the feelings of losing all you want to do is to chase that victory, and aside from that is to chase your losses. It's the typical situation that everyone is dealing with and whether we tell you not to try hard, when it is your emotion and ego being hit by losses, you're going to be on your own without remembering all of those reminders that were given to you.
This is common and often happens to many gamblers, including us, but we must be able to prevent ourselves from trying to recover from losses. We will find it difficult to recover from losses because we will probably experience more losses. Instead of taking the risk of receiving more losses, we should take a break and stop gambling so that we are tempted to continue gambling again.
Yes, when you've been there so many times then you should be aware of that consequence and you won't make the same mistake. But can we do that? Maybe for some but for the majority, it is given that it's hard to prevent ourselves from chasing the losses because it has become a norm and mindset for everybody that we need to recover those losses no matter what happens. And that's the reality that instead of being able to recover, we're incurring more losses. With that, every gambler knows the consequences, and despite that, we continue.

It is normal for many people to see something different, and they will easily say negative things about that person. But we also don't need to follow what they say, especially if we only hear stories from other people about someone, because usually, that story will have additional stories that don't match reality. So we have to be able to filter it ourselves and act slowly, especially if we don't know the real story.
Just ignore them, that's the best weapon against them. They mind their own business, we mind our own businesses too. But if you're the type that's easily intrigued and affected by those, you need to practice yourself that you won't be affected by anything that they say anymore. Because if so, you'll just be distracted by them even if you're not thinking about what they do but you'll have to rebut because they're always telling things that are against you.
1084  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: October 15, 2023, 11:32:56 PM
Of course, gamblers want to earn money from gambling apart from just using it as recreation in their free time, which is a normal thing many gamblers already do. But they have to remember that we are only recreational in gambling and not chasing victory, so we don't need to try hard to get the win. Many still forget this instead of trying to make money from gambling. Even so, some people can build a career from gambling, but it will require more effort and ability to use gambling as a job. There is a lot that someone has to learn to become a gambler with a career in gambling that most gamblers cannot afford.
Whether we like it or not, when you taste the feelings of losing all you want to do is to chase that victory, and aside from that is to chase your losses. It's the typical situation that everyone is dealing with and whether we tell you not to try hard, when it is your emotion and ego being hit by losses, you're going to be on your own without remembering all of those reminders that were given to you.

It is normal when we hear people's responses about people being gamblers. Most people will think that gambling is a bad thing, but they don't realize that there are successful gamblers who are not addicted to gambling and can have money to meet their daily needs. Gambling has become something that people must avoid so that their response will be negative.
That's the other side of the story and I think that this belief won't change forever. It's because many gamblers are irresponsible and they're doing crazy things that put a negative view in the minds of those people that see them personally, so that's how their reaction goes for the gamblers and they only think of them as negative people, gambling addicts, will sell everything to gamble, no financial education, etc. As in all of those things that they can think of you negatively, they'll put that to their minds and everytime they see, you know what's on their mind describing you as those qualities.
1085  Economy / Gambling / Re: Casino Junket Operator on: October 15, 2023, 10:24:38 PM
I think that I've heard it but it's like that you're funders of the casino and they won't just be asking for small-time ones but the bigger money to come into them. IMHO, this is already a red flag as this is being used to scam people and as we know the casino business is a big business that requires huge money, and whoever establishes one is already prepared for the big influx of money, in and out. When things are too good to be true and you're just going to sit back, relax, and earn just as promised with a huge percentage of ROI, that should be when you fear them because it's not going to last longer when it's intended to scam its investors. Too many scams are out nowadays and these are attracting a lot of people that probably have extra cash to spend and make them so that their money will work for them. If there's a legitimate one, I wouldn't still get into them because there's a chance that they'd just do what the scammers do. Rather invest your money to something more reliable and truthful or gamble your money if you want to find some entertainment.
1086  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: October 15, 2023, 09:44:47 PM
-snip
LoL, I almost won, but it does not matter, this can be my reference for betting in the next match.
Hey len, that was close and that's just one! But you're right that this is a good reference for you next week when we go into the playoffs.

Team Liquid beat EG without giving them chance to win 1x and it was my mistake to choose to bet on total map and I should have chosen to bet on the total kills.
They know that they can take EG easily and that's why they're not giving any chance. But that's okay, you're almost there and that should be great money for you. Anyway, better luck next week.

and TSM almost made comeback but Virtus.pro was able to turn things around and secure victory in the first and second maps.

They fell short and almost there but Virtus.Pro was just good on that one in securing the entire series. They don't even want that to go through a third game. The next bracketing is still a best of 3 series and that's also another harder part to all of them.

1087  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How do you manage greed to place your bet on: October 15, 2023, 06:38:15 PM
At the start of your bets, you don't need to think of how positive you are going to win because everyone has been doing that, and yet, you'll never know the results of it. And when you bet, just put whatever is the amount that you can attain to lose and don't have any regrets at all. That's where the bad thoughts come from when you seem to be regretful when you've won because of the small amount that you've won there but the feeling of winning, you're ignoring that part. Do not be greedy and you only need to look at the brighter side, if you win, you win. Then if you lose, you lose and there's no regret whether you win or lose big amount because from the start, you're already aware of what could be the outcome is and you have just that thought of having more but it can't happen the way you expect it to be.
1088  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: An agent is no where to be found. on: October 15, 2023, 05:58:12 PM
I am seeing the agent thingy these days on social media that they have their respective casinos that they're working with and partnered with. There's nothing wrong with that if there's really a physical shop but based on that story, that's the cons of it when you're betting on those. That's why if you already know a casino which is online and you don't need to go through with an agent or third party then that's much better because you're direct to bet with your money on them. There's no need for you to think if the casino will runaway with your money because they're an actual business that won't definitely ruin their reputation just for your bets.

It's not interesting to gamble with the traditional model in a hidden place like that because things like fights can happen due to misunderstandings.
Gambling like that can also get bad views from neighbors because of the habits we do.
Gambling online is more interesting because no one else knows and it can be done anywhere there is an internet connection.

I don't recommend gambling online because the negative impacts it can have will be difficult to control.
You can gamble online or traditionally, but you have to be responsible.
It seems that there is some confusion and conflict with what you say about gambling traditionally and gambling online. But I do understand that when other people think about which is the best thing for them as they gamble. The here today is, go to the gambling place whether they're online or offline that you trust and not just that, but the one that you know that has its reputation to protect.
1089  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The International 12 [Dota 2, eSport] discussion thread on: October 15, 2023, 05:38:17 PM
Just witnessed a crazy crazy game against Gamin vs Talon, Game 2. lasted over 60 mins! I think the PA nerf has worked, at least in pros. It doesn't look that OP as it used to. I don't know why gamin keep picking Pango? even though Quinn himself made a rant about how Pango isnt great as a core. The last SEA team somehow managed to win game 2. Game 3, the decider coming up next to see who gets to the upper bracket, and who goes into lower.
That was unexpected honestly, everybody thought that Talon Esports would be knocked out too easily and they'll be sent to the lower bracket but then, they've just beaten the team that's considered the strongest for this year because of their achievements in so many tournaments that have passed. But that's it, a team changes into beast form when they're on the appearance on TI, and GG wasn't the strongest one. Maybe they'll also have the motto just as the old Team Liquid that upper bracket is just for the b****es and that's why they'll go the hard way and we will see if they will.

That game was insane! I was up way too long looking at that one lol!
I checked out the Shopify Rebellion vs Team Spirit in the morning and i have to say that RTZ is really underwhelming. The team in Rebellion is actually playing well but damn, but it really feels its the carry... sad as that is.
Many have counted for Shopify Rebellion but that match of theirs wasn't for them and Arteezy seems to have a different build shop because he didn't buy to have BKB. Isn't he the same as the SEA pub players who don't wanna buy a BKB? LOL, that's like the comment that I have seen in every post pertaining to their match against Team Spirit but even with that, Team Spirit is just as strong as they have always been.
1090  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The International 12 [Dota 2, eSport] discussion thread on: October 14, 2023, 10:12:49 PM


Upcoming matches, my picks would be.  Spirit, LGD, 9Pandas, VP, Liquid, Tundra, Gamin, Entity. Let's see how it goes.
The ones that are at the top will be matched today but on the bottom ones, they'll be by tomorrow. Team Spirit and Virtus.Pro secures the upper bracket and these are both CIS teams, they truly are strong. And the match that is happening now is with Team Liquid and EG, I think that this shouldn't be a question as the crowd's favorite is Team Liquid on this one. But who knows if EG will be able to snatch this series against Team Liquid, right? I'll wait until the match ends. It seems that there are a lot of CIS teams that could go to the upper bracket. I think that's so much better so that they can beat each other while the other teams from other regions can avoid them on the bracketing. After Team Liquid and EG, cast your bets with Talon and GG, which team you are going to bet on this one? GG is the favorite but Talon is like a random team that could beat them, LOL. Why I've said that? Sometimes 23savage plays unusually and moves like a thrower.
1091  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ESports betting -CS:GO, DOTA 2, LOL, Valorant - Sportsbet.io discussion thread on: October 14, 2023, 12:06:46 PM
Taking Team Spirit and riding with them all tournament seems to making you look like a prediction wizard of this DOTA2 tournament.
Starting off 3-0 is a perfect start.
But maybe it is time to bet a different route because it is more than likely when a team is on a roll they will lose atleast one match.
Team Spirit has been the most consistent honestly all over this year. Forget about all the LANs that Gaimin Gladiators dominated as the prize pool of those were too little compared to the tournaments that Team Spirit has won and even this TI isn't that much in prize pool, the credential and achievement of it is totally different from those that have been in the DPC tournaments.

Don't know if there were ever a team going flawless in these TI tournaments or not but I would tend to lean towards a different market at times like this.
We will see that but it's likely that Team Spirit so far has been good for these two days and we'll see how they'll perform on the phase two seeding. But I am sure that they want to get into the upper bracket as the matches there are much easier and don't have to go through hell in the lower bracket and that's why they'll have to win against Shopify Rebellion later and that's plausible.
1092  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: October 14, 2023, 10:20:41 AM
Not only a gambler become addicted by winning but a gambler can also become addicted to gambling due to loss.
Either win or lose, a gambler can be addicted based on his behavior and how he likes to gamble. Most likely a gambler becomes more addicted when he's losing more because of the mindset that he wants to take back those losses and that's making him want to gamble more.

I have seen some people who want to quit gambling but they can't because they have a lot of losses that they want to recover.
Yeah, that's the matter for those gamblers that have huge losses. They just can't back off and stop because all is on their mind is to recover those losses. It's hard to get on track when that's what they've been thinking of. It's like not just an achievement but it's so hard to accept losses that include money on it.

If he withdraws from gambling at this point, it is not easy to quickly recover his lost money through other jobs.
What's harder is that a gambler has a bigger problem due to the fact that he even lost his salary. That's gonna take a long time or maybe a week or two for him to recover that losses through his salary. And even he gets a new salary, that won't change the fact that he is still on losses.

But he is losing more money than he is trying to recover his lost money. Gambling can become addictive even if one wins and has the potential to become addicted even if one loses. A successful gambler is not addicted. Very few people in gambling become successful.
That's why win or loss, someone can be addicted to gambling based on how he sees the results. Whether both of them are acceptable or not, there's the ego that we feel that pushes us to go back and chase losses.
1093  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: October 14, 2023, 07:33:21 AM
since the start of the football season I have left Dota 2 betting for moment but I will always be present betting at TI12 like at TI11 last year. TBH, I already far behind on any updates and for now the predictions I am starting are just to try to read situation that will happen in the future and see betting options given by the bookie, there are 3 maps and I am sure that match will last up to 3 maps. like the first match yesterday, bookie provided only 2 maps and all matches ended in 2 maps only, but for this 2nd match there will be more matches up to map 3.
I hope my prediction is correct.
It's okay if you think that you've been left behind but this is what the goodness of Dota 2, anyone can come back whenever they want to. And the tournament has now moved to phase two. The first group stages are only 2 matches and they're a points system. The next one is the seeding decider for which teams will be placed in either the upper bracket or lower bracket depending on the results of this phase two. And from there, we'll go to the main event which is the main event up to the finals. This is where it becomes more interesting because most teams are going to release their hidden strategies or heroes that they're preserving for them to move to the next bracket. Many are betting on this stage because there won't be tie unlike the first round of the group stages so it's either you win or lose and there's no draw on this one. That's why if you've seen the books provided for two matches only yesterday and the other day, that's because it is the format of the group stages.
1094  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why do you not gamble on women sports? (tennis not included) on: October 14, 2023, 06:48:18 AM
I do not know if this has been discussed before, but I want to know why most discussions on sports asides tennis is about the men's side of it and the women side is about only barely mentioned. Take football for example.
I'm lowkey following tennis for women's. I'm yet to discover the whole thing about it but all I can say is that I am enjoying the matches whether it's singles or doubles.

Why is there low engagement in women sports from the side of viewers and even gamblers who are sports bettors? Is it not easier to win on gambling on women sports than men's sport? or is there no gambling site offering odds for betting on women sports?
Probably it's just because it's in the nature of men that we're into sports. But not discriminating with that opinion because we're starting to see the interest for women in different sports is growing and that's why maybe in just a few more couple of years we'll have more sports dominated by women. I think there is nothing to do with whether your bets are easier to win in men's sport than in women's. It's just all about that we've been into contact sports like boxing, football, basketball, hockey as all of those are contact and physical sports and we're not used to see women playing those sports. Anyway, I am sure that many of the co-gamblers here are also into those sports not just for how they know they are but also how interesting they are with their own respective sports that most of them participates.
1095  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: October 14, 2023, 05:48:25 AM
You can try getting a career in an office because if you can work well and provide benefits to the office, your career can be promoted, which will also impact the salary increase you will get. But that's not the case if you gamble where gambling is not a career, so many people who try it will fail and lose their money. But some gamblers we don't know can win better than others, but they don't tell many people.
Many are agreeing to say that gambling is just a recreational activity that we must enjoy. But don't let that remove that most of the gamblers even if you're just for the fun, we're all wanting to make money from it. Well, not everyone is a success gambler and you can finally say that you can't make a career out of it. But how about those who look happy and successful with the said results as they gamble? I guess that's how they're motivated to think that gambling can be their career and no one can stop them because of the happiness that they're getting because they're all winning.

These are the people who can build their careers in gambling, but they hide it from other people.
And that's because there's an ugly truth and belief from people that don't gamble that whenever someone says that he's gambler, it's like he's an addicted person, a family wrecker, a person who's not financially well. As in every negative connotation about a person, they're attaching it to every gambler who admits that they are.
1096  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: October 14, 2023, 05:00:09 AM
TI seems very silent this year because it looks like just another regular tournament due to the prize pool compared to previous tournament.
While that's true but we need to move forward and just look at how these teams beat each other's asses and we're done with the first phase of the tournament which is the group stages. There have been 4 teams that are already eliminated which I'll be posting below. This tournament is no longer all about the prizes but still about the glory, we've got some 2-time TI champ hopefuls that are competing on the tournament and the only one that's a three-peat hopeful whom is Topson playing with Tundra.

I watch the game of Azure ray vs Thunder this morning and I’m surprise to saw a bug like that on a major tournament like TI. I stop watching already since they have a long pause but this kind of major bug is frustrating when happened on crucial matches such as decision game on the playoffs.
Yeah, that was a surprising bug but then Icefrog(Wyk) has already fixed that bug immediately. Another meme again for everyone to see that this game is still in beta.

Anyway as expected to GG, another flop this year after showing dominance on the majors tournament. I think Team Spirit and Liquid all over again on the finals.
Team Spirit is untouchable and seems like they're the best contender to have a two-peat TI championship. Well for GG, it's to be expected that they've been unbeatable all over this year but let's still see as the tournament hasn't ended yet.



These are the teams eliminated and they're on their way to the airport;

  • Team SMG of SEA
  • Thunder Awaken of SA
  • Beastcoast of SA
  • PSG Quest of WEU
1097  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Best Crypto to buy for 2024 ? on: October 13, 2023, 11:57:12 PM
It's really challenging to expect in 2024, and furthermore, you can't rely on old altcoins to potentially increase in value by 10x or 50x. This is especially difficult for new projects that garner more community attention.
That 10x and 50x belief is not happening anymore to the majority of the altcoins in the market. Some oldies are still good because they've been proven to defeat inflation and they're tested by time. So instead of going with lottery altcoin picks in the market and usually happen in the meme coins. You have to choose wisely on which altcoin you think is the best buy for next year and before you do that, much better to pick now because 2024 is the year of bitcoin's halving and a lot of things will happen in the market by that time. If you are missing the point instead of picking next year, pick now is because you'll never know how huge the increase will be for the altcoins that will go together with bitcoin's halving effect. It may not that be much to the oldies but as long as you buy under that price that it will soar then you're still at profit and that's the reason why we're buying at an early time. But if you're good in timing and you've seen signs of it before the take off of your chosen altcoin then you gotta be a good spotter then and don't forget to cash out when it's time and necessary.
1098  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: October 13, 2023, 11:31:16 PM
One of the solutions which is recommended by most gamblers on this forum for gambling addiction is "Therapy" . Professional help in the form of therapy. It is good and very effective but how many persons can actually afford it? There is a fee for each session that lasts for a duration of 60minutes. And there are more than one session. Therapy for gambling addiction is expensive. How can those who are unemployed afford it? How about the college student? Or the person receiving minimum wage.
I think that there are nonprofit organizations that are helping people who are in need of these therapies and those who want to get out of gambling addiction.

What are the other low cost but very effective solutions to gambling addiction. And typically how long will it take before the addict starts to feel more in control and less withdrawal symptoms?
Will totally appreciate your responses. Thanks.
They can find a way to look for another way to at least ease that addiction that they have. Like traveling or trying to do some relaxation so that they can feel that it is what they need to at least lessen the addiction that they have. There is another thread about cross addiction and that could be some low-cost solution for those who are dealing with gambling addiction but it is going to cost them another solution. IMO, I'll just do another hobby that I like that won't cost a lot of money like just doing some walking or traveling through bicycle to release those hormones and make yourself satisfied by just doing that and your time is well spent into your physical body and preservation.
1099  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How often is your luck in gambling? on: October 13, 2023, 10:54:26 PM
This Filipina did not even expect she won the grand prize on lottery instead she thought of winning just consolation prizes. Lucky for her she had that financial stability for 25 years as $6,670+ a month here in the Philippines is pretty huge.

https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/pinoyabroad/content/882861/pinay-wins-over-p387-000-a-month-for-25-years-in-emirates-draw/story/

I am not lucky in lottery or any gambling casinos but way back in 2017 the only luck I encountered was I gambled with the risk of joining bounty hunting on this forum and it is worth it.
What a turn around of her fate. I wouldn't work anymore if that had happened to me and will just manage that to grow and definitely, I won't forget where it comes from and that's in gambling so, I'll still do that once in a while so I won't lose it all there. The advantage of that is she'll receive that monthly for the rest of her life unless the management will give it to her as a lumpsum per year but I don't think so.

How about you guys, are you having a good fortune on your gambling career?
Nope, but I'm having good time and that's what I am enjoying with. Compared to the financial status that I have, it's not that of a fortune in gambling and I wouldn't say that it's a career for me because I just do it every so often.

Do you ever think of quitting after you won a jackpot?
Yes but I know how it feel that you just can't quit when you're at that situation of having a lot of money, you just can't resist it. Because when you're in that situation, you'll think that you are unstoppable and you've got a source so there's really no problem when you gamble every time you want to.
1100  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: October 13, 2023, 10:38:07 PM
Nothing wrong if you gamble at work but make sure that it doesn't affect your work and you're off duty when you do that. As long as it's your money and you don't touch your company's money or anyone from your colleagues. But if you're going to that point that you're also using your company's time and resources to your gambling then you will pay the price of it. Your work ethic will also be affected and brought to the point that you will never like and you'll regret it in the end. Well, I'm not trying to be clean but I have never done this although with other websites and activities, I've done it except gambling. Since before, there's not that much gambling sites that I know when I was in the office and good thing that I have not known any of them during those times because despite my office not being strict, they're always asking things related to our daily tasks and what we've done on our office hours.
Gambling at work to me,  means a lot since it is a form of distraction and that is why some company never allow the use of personal computers at the work the reason being that with a personal computer,  the worker will have more things installed in it such as games and other gambling apps and tools,  so allowing them to work from such PC will cause a lot of distractions to them along the way,  so best thing is for the company to provide them with a working PC that has nothing on it unless the official workplace for the staff to carry out the job.
Not just those things, if data-wise, the company might think that employee is doing something else and trying to get into their data and might copy it and sell it to their competitors.

Sometimes,  those who work as private businessmen and work for themselves can be flexible and gamble between work schedules,  but to be honest it doesn't sound well to gamble at work for me,  since it does cause distractions.
It varies per employee if it sounds not right for them. And that's a respect to the company and the place where you're working so whether you're off duty and you're at the right time, that's your way of giving respect to your bosses. But as I've said, as long as you're not spending your company's time and resources, then it shouldn't be a problem at all or much better that you ask your company if it's fine. Because if you're doing it secretly, then you know what the answer is.
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