Cricket match prediction discussions

[Juggy777]

Saudia Arabia Is a strong country and its league will definitely make alot of name in cricket world Arabs have alot of tendency to make their words real.
In my opinion Indians and Saudis will eventually end up together for growth of the cricket in Saudi Arabia. 
Indians have alot of skills as far as diplomatic relations are concerned.

The problem is that the market for cricket is already saturated. IPL takes away 3 months every year from the calendar and then there are bilateral tours by the Indian team and the ICC tournaments. There is simply not enough spare time available to accommodate the Saudi league. And the BCCI is not that stupid to allow the Saudi Arabian Cricket Federation to take control of the Indian market. It will negatively impact the popularity of the IPL, and in turn the BCCI revenues will nosedive. So in all probability, the Saudis are going to pour tons of money in to the new league and they are not going to get anything in return. 

@Sithara007 while I definitely agree with you on almost all the points, but I do have a different opinion on this because for starter’s BCCI could send their reserve squad of player’s to get some experience and then these player’s would fetch higher price during the IPL auction.

Secondly BCCI would command higher revenue share for sharing their player’s, hence they’ll always get additional revenue from this and honestly I don’t think that any league can impact IPL popularity thus BCCI maybe tempted to make additional money as and when this league begins.

[JSRAW]

In all of Saudi's new tourney debates, everyone keeps forgetting who'll watch another random league, even if it's expensive (from a player's point of view only)when Indian players are not participating in it.

Even let's say BCCI agrees to send some players into this league, they won't be capped or contracted players and the main issue would be sustainability (schedule is another obstacle) despite Saudis having deep pockets.

[Sithara007]

In all of Saudi's new tourney debates, everyone keeps forgetting who'll watch another random league, even if it's expensive (from a player's point of view only)when Indian players are not participating in it.

Even let's say BCCI agrees to send some players into this league, they won't be capped or contracted players and the main issue would be sustainability (schedule is another obstacle) despite Saudis having deep pockets.

I don't think that sustainability is a concern for the Saudis. They brought Cristiano Ronaldo to their country by paying a massive amount. They know that it will be impossible to get returns of even half of that amount. What they want is publicity and acceptance among the global community. At this point, they are not focusing on revenues or sustainability. And once again, the BCCI will not send any of the active players to this tournament (irrespective of whether they are capped or not). They don't have any reason to do otherwise.   

[JSRAW]

In all of Saudi's new tourney debates, everyone keeps forgetting who'll watch another random league, even if it's expensive (from a player's point of view only)when Indian players are not participating in it.

Even let's say BCCI agrees to send some players into this league, they won't be capped or contracted players and the main issue would be sustainability (schedule is another obstacle) despite Saudis having deep pockets.

I don't think that sustainability is a concern for the Saudis. They brought Cristiano Ronaldo to their country by paying a massive amount. They know that it will be impossible to get returns of even half of that amount. What they want is publicity and acceptance among the global community. At this point, they are not focusing on revenues or sustainability. And once again, the BCCI will not send any of the active players to this tournament (irrespective of whether they are capped or not). They don't have any reason to do otherwise.   

They are free to do that, like i said it's good for players for sure but it's not good for business in any sense. Also, the football market is not concentrated or dominated by just one market, it's spread fairly enough.

That's not the case with cricket, where only one country generates eyeballs. I fail to understand why people avoid connecting the dots of ICC media rights in this context, it's in front of everyone still no one considering it. The rest of the cricketing world not paying money to watch ICC tournaments and somehow people think that they will watch random t-20 leagues.

[darewaller]

In all of Saudi's new tourney debates, everyone keeps forgetting who'll watch another random league, even if it's expensive (from a player's point of view only)when Indian players are not participating in it.

Even let's say BCCI agrees to send some players into this league, they won't be capped or contracted players and the main issue would be sustainability (schedule is another obstacle) despite Saudis having deep pockets.

In reality this is going to be not good idea for the Saudi's because schedule and BCCI both are the biggest concerns for them and things are not going into positive way from the start which is also big problem even we will have some favour from PCB, BCB and SLCB but still it's going to be not ideal situation for this league because they can't achieve their targeted results with these countries while we have 75% Indian hold on this market even in Gulf, USA and European Indians will be not interested in case if we have this league without Indian intention.

They are late in this which is the biggest problem and with this right now we have not strong market like soccer which helps them in near future as well now they need to work on their domestic system and try to have better things which can help them for long run even this is also not ideal for them because of their geo problems.

[Sithara007]

They are free to do that, like i said it's good for players for sure but it's not good for business in any sense. Also, the football market is not concentrated or dominated by just one market, it's spread fairly enough.

That's not the case with cricket, where only one country generates eyeballs. I fail to understand why people avoid connecting the dots of ICC media rights in this context, it's in front of everyone still no one considering it. The rest of the cricketing world not paying money to watch ICC tournaments and somehow people think that they will watch random t-20 leagues.

The ICC hasn't yet released the final numbers from the media rights auction. But from the available information, it looks as if 88% to 90% of the revenues originate from India. Take India out of the equation, and cricket cease to be one of the top-10 sports in terms of revenue generation. I am not sure how much money the Saudis are planning to splurge. If the amounts are quite large, then they maybe able to convince some of the top Indian cricketers (who are close to retirement) to sign up for them. I am talking about players such as Mahendra Singh Dhoni and Shikhar Dhawan. But then remember that these players are already receiving $1.0 to $1.5 million per year from the IPL. In order to lure them, they need to spend 3-4 times this amount (similar to how they got Cristiano Ronaldo playing in Saudi Arabia).

[DanWalker]

They are free to do that, like i said it's good for players for sure but it's not good for business in any sense. Also, the football market is not concentrated or dominated by just one market, it's spread fairly enough.
That's not the case with cricket, where only one country generates eyeballs. I fail to understand why people avoid connecting the dots of ICC media rights in this context, it's in front of everyone still no one considering it. The rest of the cricketing world not paying money to watch ICC tournaments and somehow people think that they will watch random t-20 leagues.

The ICC hasn't yet released the final numbers from the media rights auction. But from the available information, it looks as if 88% to 90% of the revenues originate from India. Take India out of the equation, and cricket cease to be one of the top-10 sports in terms of revenue generation. I am not sure how much money the Saudis are planning to splurge. If the amounts are quite large, then they maybe able to convince some of the top Indian cricketers (who are close to retirement) to sign up for them. I am talking about players such as Mahendra Singh Dhoni and Shikhar Dhawan. But then remember that these players are already receiving $1.0 to $1.5 million per year from the IPL. In order to lure them, they need to spend 3-4 times this amount (similar to how they got Cristiano Ronaldo playing in Saudi Arabia).

I believe that even if they do bring in some Indian players that are old and close to retirement, they are still not going to attract a good number of spectators. They will need to bring in those Indian players who are actually performing really well right now the current superstars of India.

Players like Suryakumar Yadav and others who are generally showing good entertainment in T20. Without the actual players who are superstars right now in India don't think the Saudi Cricket League is going to be able to shine properly. After all, we all know that they are the biggest revenue generator for cricket

[WatChe]

Yes, there is logic in your statement in this regard. Today politics has reached a different level. Saudi Arabia and India have have good relation, maybe the Saudi government will want to exploit that opportunity and India will also carefully calculate their gains or losses. But as Saudi Arabia is very strong economically, they will try to dominate to some extent. I believe India will not try to hindrance to their league rather if it possible they will help them. Because these two countries have good economic relations.

India has emerged as one of top global economy in recent years. Still I don't think it will be a good idea for India to annoy one of there finest business partner aka MBS. Even India doesn't joined this party then there are plenty more options for Saudi to choose from.
I was reading on NDTV that Saudis want IPL owners to set up richest league in Saudi. That's MBS way of involving IPL management into Saudi league.

[Sithara007]

I believe that even if they do bring in some Indian players that are old and close to retirement, they are still not going to attract a good number of spectators. They will need to bring in those Indian players who are actually performing really well right now the current superstars of India.

Players like Suryakumar Yadav and others who are generally showing good entertainment in T20. Without the actual players who are superstars right now in India don't think the Saudi Cricket League is going to be able to shine properly. After all, we all know that they are the biggest revenue generator for cricket

Suryakumar Yadav is quite young and he is representing the Indian team in multiple formats. There is no chance that he will opt for the Saudi league, even if he is offered 10 times his current contract value. I was hinting about some of the players who are close to retirement, such as Mahendra Singh Dhoni and Ambati Rayudu. They are in the final phase of their career, and in case they get a very sweet deal from the Saudi sheikhs, then they maybe tempted to dump the IPL and move to the new league. But all these are just rumors. The Saudis are yet to finalize their plans for the league.

[BobK71]

Yes, there is logic in your statement in this regard. Today politics has reached a different level. Saudi Arabia and India have have good relation, maybe the Saudi government will want to exploit that opportunity and India will also carefully calculate their gains or losses. But as Saudi Arabia is very strong economically, they will try to dominate to some extent. I believe India will not try to hindrance to their league rather if it possible they will help them. Because these two countries have good economic relations.

India has emerged as one of top global economy in recent years. Still I don't think it will be a good idea for India to annoy one of there finest business partner aka MBS. Even India doesn't joined this party then there are plenty more options for Saudi to choose from.
I was reading on NDTV that Saudis want IPL owners to set up richest league in Saudi. That's MBS way of involving IPL management into Saudi league.

The Saudi government has taken various steps to introduce their country to the world. Apart from various developmental works they are now paying special attention to the sports world. They are investing in sports like football and Formula 1 and are currently focusing on cricket. As a result, they have a keen eye on the Indian Premier League. They are so enthusiastic about creating a cricket league like IPL that they have expressed their concern to India and have taken the initiative to run a new tournament. However, BCCI has not yet commented on it. I think if the ICC approve the application of Saudi Arabia, maybe we can get a good result from India.

[lixer]

I believe that even if they do bring in some Indian players that are old and close to retirement, they are still not going to attract a good number of spectators. They will need to bring in those Indian players who are actually performing really well right now the current superstars of India.

Players like Suryakumar Yadav and others who are generally showing good entertainment in T20. Without the actual players who are superstars right now in India don't think the Saudi Cricket League is going to be able to shine properly. After all, we all know that they are the biggest revenue generator for cricket

I am sure no Indian player even near to retirement will take this risk and joined Saudi League because they have enough mind understanding things, and clearly it's not popular decision if someone leave IPL for this new league which is never been had certainty how long will exist because as we have things in early round of this league most chances this is going to be not good league even we have huge funds from Saudi sheikhs.

From here if they want to do something then surely they need to do some paperwork before jumping into this because having all facts and figures will surely help them for having how things will be after having first edition of this league with no Indian will be involved in this.

[Sithara007]

The Saudi government has taken various steps to introduce their country to the world. Apart from various developmental works they are now paying special attention to the sports world. They are investing in sports like football and Formula 1 and are currently focusing on cricket. As a result, they have a keen eye on the Indian Premier League. They are so enthusiastic about creating a cricket league like IPL that they have expressed their concern to India and have taken the initiative to run a new tournament. However, BCCI has not yet commented on it. I think if the ICC approve the application of Saudi Arabia, maybe we can get a good result from India.

Saudis are only interested in the publicity that they get from hosting major sporting events in their country. They have hardly taken any steps to popularize cricket to the native Arab population. It is understandable, as cricket is not an Olympic sport and is increasingly getting restricted to the South Asian community. BTW, there are some big movements from the IPL franchises. They are trying to sign deals with overseas players, to get them contracted to different teams managed by the same franchise. Details can be found here:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ipl-teams-and-international-stars-in-informal-contract-discussions-1371491

If this move succeeds, then a number of star players will opt out of international cricket and may focus solely on franchise cricket.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

The Saudi government has taken various steps to introduce their country to the world. Apart from various developmental works they are now paying special attention to the sports world. They are investing in sports like football and Formula 1 and are currently focusing on cricket. As a result, they have a keen eye on the Indian Premier League. They are so enthusiastic about creating a cricket league like IPL that they have expressed their concern to India and have taken the initiative to run a new tournament. However, BCCI has not yet commented on it. I think if the ICC approve the application of Saudi Arabia, maybe we can get a good result from India.

Saudis are only interested in the publicity that they get from hosting major sporting events in their country. They have hardly taken any steps to popularize cricket to the native Arab population. It is understandable, as cricket is not an Olympic sport and is increasingly getting restricted to the South Asian community. BTW, there are some big movements from the IPL franchises. They are trying to sign deals with overseas players, to get them contracted to different teams managed by the same franchise. Details can be found here:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ipl-teams-and-international-stars-in-informal-contract-discussions-1371491

If this move succeeds, then a number of star players will opt out of international cricket and may focus solely on franchise cricket.

So one more rich league is in making,  Saudis will come to top in cricket world with their money for sure once they will collaborate will ipl .
International players are must for them because they don't have native ones who are cricket loving.  But as we have seen Cristiano Ronaldo joining Saudi league because of money.  Same will happen with cricket money will bring top players together .

[WatChe]

The Saudi government has taken various steps to introduce their country to the world. Apart from various developmental works they are now paying special attention to the sports world. They are investing in sports like football and Formula 1 and are currently focusing on cricket. As a result, they have a keen eye on the Indian Premier League. They are so enthusiastic about creating a cricket league like IPL that they have expressed their concern to India and have taken the initiative to run a new tournament. However, BCCI has not yet commented on it. I think if the ICC approve the application of Saudi Arabia, maybe we can get a good result from India.

As I already said there is nothing confirm about this league, its all in the air. One thing which I am confident is that if KSA launches any such league then it will not be easy for India to oppose such league. I am waiting for the official news of launch of this league.

Saudis are only interested in the publicity that they get from hosting major sporting events in their country. They have hardly taken any steps to popularize cricket to the native Arab population. It is understandable, as cricket is not an Olympic sport and is increasingly getting restricted to the South Asian community. BTW, there are some big movements from the IPL franchises. They are trying to sign deals with overseas players, to get them contracted to different teams managed by the same franchise. Details can be found here:

KSA has weakest cricket team among all Gulf countries. Teams of UAE, Kuwait, Oman and Bahrain are also made up of players of South Asian origin. So its very much clear that there cricket is not a popular sports among local people. If MBS is investing too much money in league then there must be some underlying benefit for them, you cant deny the business skills of Gulf rulers.

[DanWalker]

I believe that even if they do bring in some Indian players that are old and close to retirement, they are still not going to attract a good number of spectators. They will need to bring in those Indian players who are actually performing really well right now the current superstars of India.
Players like Suryakumar Yadav and others who are generally showing good entertainment in T20. Without the actual players who are superstars right now in India don't think the Saudi Cricket League is going to be able to shine properly. After all, we all know that they are the biggest revenue generator for cricket

Suryakumar Yadav is quite young and he is representing the Indian team in multiple formats. There is no chance that he will opt for the Saudi league, even if he is offered 10 times his current contract value. I was hinting about some of the players who are close to retirement, such as Mahendra Singh Dhoni and Ambati Rayudu. They are in the final phase of their career, and in case they get a very sweet deal from the Saudi sheikhs, then they maybe tempted to dump the IPL and move to the new league. But all these are just rumors. The Saudis are yet to finalize their plans for the league.

I understand what you are saying. What I wanted to say is that even if they bring in those players the popularity is not going to be at that level which could have been if they brought in players who are actually dominating Indian cricket right now. But of course, the Indian Cricket Board is probably not going to allow that to happen. So the only hot in the players who are about to retire.

I am sure no Indian player even near to retirement will take this risk and joined Saudi League because they have enough mind understanding things, and clearly it's not popular decision if someone leave IPL for this new league which is never been had certainty how long will exist because as we have things in early round of this league most chances this is going to be not good league even we have huge funds from Saudi sheikhs.
From here if they want to do something then surely they need to do some paperwork before jumping into this because having all facts and figures will surely help them for having how things will be after having first edition of this league with no Indian will be involved in this.

It is certainly not going to be a popular decision. But as a professional cricketer at this stage of his career where he is about to retire, he will have to think about money more than anything. And I believe the Indian people will also understand that. After all, it's not like those who are about to retire are being very impactful in the nationality or they are blocked replaceable in the T20 teams franchise.

[JSRAW]

They are free to do that, like i said it's good for players for sure but it's not good for business in any sense. Also, the football market is not concentrated or dominated by just one market, it's spread fairly enough.

That's not the case with cricket, where only one country generates eyeballs. I fail to understand why people avoid connecting the dots of ICC media rights in this context, it's in front of everyone still no one considering it. The rest of the cricketing world not paying money to watch ICC tournaments and somehow people think that they will watch random t-20 leagues.

The ICC hasn't yet released the final numbers from the media rights auction. But from the available information, it looks as if 88% to 90% of the revenues originate from India. Take India out of the equation, and cricket cease to be one of the top-10 sports in terms of revenue generation. I am not sure how much money the Saudis are planning to splurge. If the amounts are quite large, then they maybe able to convince some of the top Indian cricketers (who are close to retirement) to sign up for them. I am talking about players such as Mahendra Singh Dhoni and Shikhar Dhawan. But then remember that these players are already receiving $1.0 to $1.5 million per year from the IPL. In order to lure them, they need to spend 3-4 times this amount (similar to how they got Cristiano Ronaldo playing in Saudi Arabia).

Thought about this bold part and seriously yaar cricketers get peanuts if we look at the overall picture.

Even premier cricketers like Kohli also get only $3 Million if we only look at his BCCI + IPL contract, not considering sponsorship etc in this bracket. The situation is worse for other cricketers, no wonder players are looking for financial security. 

[Sithara007]

Thought about this bold part and seriously yaar cricketers get peanuts if we look at the overall picture.

Even premier cricketers like Kohli also get only $3 Million if we only look at his BCCI + IPL contract, not considering sponsorship etc in this bracket. The situation is worse for other cricketers, no wonder players are looking for financial security. 

Well.. I could agree with that. IPL media rights alone costs some $1.2 billion per year. But the total salaries are only around $115 million, which represents less than 10% of the media rights amount. Now compare this with the English Premier League. Media rights are rumored to be around £3.0 billion per year, and the highest paid player (Enzo Fernandez) is contracted for £106.8 million. Jack Grealish's contract is worth £100 million per year. That is almost 100 times of what Virat Kohli receives from the IPL (not adding in the national contract, since it is not exactly apple to apple comparison).

[fuguebtc]

The Saudi government has taken various steps to introduce their country to the world. Apart from various developmental works they are now paying special attention to the sports world. They are investing in sports like football and Formula 1 and are currently focusing on cricket. As a result, they have a keen eye on the Indian Premier League. They are so enthusiastic about creating a cricket league like IPL that they have expressed their concern to India and have taken the initiative to run a new tournament. However, BCCI has not yet commented on it. I think if the ICC approve the application of Saudi Arabia, maybe we can get a good result from India.

Saudis are only interested in the publicity that they get from hosting major sporting events in their country. They have hardly taken any steps to popularize cricket to the native Arab population. It is understandable, as cricket is not an Olympic sport and is increasingly getting restricted to the South Asian community. BTW, there are some big movements from the IPL franchises. They are trying to sign deals with overseas players, to get them contracted to different teams managed by the same franchise. Details can be found here:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ipl-teams-and-international-stars-in-informal-contract-discussions-1371491
If this move succeeds, then a number of star players will opt out of international cricket and may focus solely on franchise cricket.

With the popularity of franchise cricket, I fear that international cricket will die out soon. Especially since the ICC is so worried about keeping test cricket alive instead of actually improving the state of cricket right now. Probably the players are going to be only interested in International Cricket because of the world cup.

After all no franchise league title is going to be more important than the world cup. But at the same time, the other tournaments light the Asia Cup and others will lose its importance.

[Sithara007]

With the popularity of franchise cricket, I fear that international cricket will die out soon. Especially since the ICC is so worried about keeping test cricket alive instead of actually improving the state of cricket right now. Probably the players are going to be only interested in International Cricket because of the world cup.

After all no franchise league title is going to be more important than the world cup. But at the same time, the other tournaments light the Asia Cup and others will lose its importance.

I don't know how much ICC tournaments are going to get impacted, but bilaterals are surely done if this happens. IPL franchises have formed a cabal, and they are now in talks with dozens of players to lure them out of international cricket. In the end, cricket will become similar to football, where club competitions reign supreme. In the long term, I am worried even about the future of ICC competitions as well. If the best players are taken out, then teams outside pig-4 will cease to be competitive. And along with that, popularity of cricket outside South Asia will drop even further.

[fuguebtc]

With the popularity of franchise cricket, I fear that international cricket will die out soon. Especially since the ICC is so worried about keeping test cricket alive instead of actually improving the state of cricket right now. Probably the players are going to be only interested in International Cricket because of the world cup.
After all no franchise league title is going to be more important than the world cup. But at the same time, the other tournaments light the Asia Cup and others will lose its importance.

I don't know how much ICC tournaments are going to get impacted, but bilaterals are surely done if this happens. IPL franchises have formed a cabal, and they are now in talks with dozens of players to lure them out of international cricket. In the end, cricket will become similar to football, where club competitions reign supreme. In the long term, I am worried even about the future of ICC competitions as well. If the best players are taken out, then teams outside pig-4 will cease to be competitive. And along with that, popularity of cricket outside South Asia will drop even further.

I am sure that international cricket is going to get affected. At the same time, I actually agree that ICC tournaments are probably not going to be affected. But other than the ICC tournament players are not going to be interested to play for the national team. Why would the players want to play for the national team when they are getting paid a lot more money in the franchise t20 league?

The franchise league being more popular would have worked if cricket was popular in all around the world. But cricket is not that popular. And that's why it is not going to be a good thing for cricket.