Why I'm an atheist

[BADecker]

Spirit, soul - now you are talking nonsense again.  There are no spirits or souls of any kind, anywhere!!!  Grow up. - So said by God allowing the decision of your free-will soul.

If free will exists in your soul, does your soul exist in our deterministic world?  Yes or no, please.

If yes, it is not free will because it must obey the deterministic laws of our deterministic universe.
If not, it cannot be the cause of anything in our deterministic universe. - In the universe, but not of the universe.

BTW, the same goes for your God object/concept, if it exists outside of our deterministic universe, it cannot be a cause of anything in this universe. If that is true, then there is no difference between your God object and any other object that does not exist.  Lack of evidence supports that notion. - Outside of the universe, and inside of the universe, but not of the universe, except in the physical part of Jesus.

For the record, I am not convinced that our universe is deterministic. If you look at the quantum effects, it becomes abundantly clear that it is not.  But please do not claim that God/souls/angels are the cause of non-deterministic quantum effects, because that would be another Christian heresy. - Nobody has proven quantum effect in nature without mankind making it... C&E.
 
BTW, the C&E regression can run ad infinitum.  I see no logical argument that it cannot.  Actually, it would be illogical to assume that it (God) started without a cause.  However, the way our universe actually started, it is actually nonsensical to talk about a cause or effect in the absence of space-time.  You need time to determine what is the cause and what is the effect. - You can't describe the qualities and attributes of God outside of the universe. What is C&E to us might be something completely different to God. But when God makes the universe, it becomes C&E to us.

As for our brain, it is an automaton; it responds to the environment, our actions are predicated on all the prior stimuli our brain received.
There is no independent free will, IMHO.  There is an illusion of free will, but our actions, our thoughts are driven by what we have experienced in the past.  Even when you make that final, split-second decision, it is made because of some last cause and the 100B neural network that processed that cause. - Another way to say what I have been stating all along. This means that there is no free will except if it is found outside the brain. "Outside the brain" can mean seeming to be within the brain, but outside of it "dimensionally."

PS. To answer your question.  I do not believe in God because I have read all three Abrahamic holy books.  It is clear that they were written by people to control other people.   Writers projected their own personalities to the God they have created.  It is fiction, a scientific nonsense.  Moral rules listed in them are abhorrent. God is a psychologically comforting concept, but it has nothing to do with reality.

You talk about the Bible killing babies. But our abortions in the US have murdered way more babies than any holy book could ever think of killing. And our abortion clinics certainly aren't religious places in the sense of formal religions.

You might be a wonderful guy, yourself. But holy books are designed to get rid of the murders, even if it takes killing the murderers to stop the murders.

If you look in Ezekiel 18, you will see that God isn't interested in killing people. He is interested in getting rid of the killing. If the murderers stop murdering, God is ready to forgive and forget their past murders. And the same with their other evils.

[af_newbie]

Spirit, soul - now you are talking nonsense again.  There are no spirits or souls of any kind, anywhere!!!  Grow up. - So said by God allowing the decision of your free-will soul.

If free will exists in your soul, does your soul exist in our deterministic world?  Yes or no, please.

If yes, it is not free will because it must obey the deterministic laws of our deterministic universe.
If not, it cannot be the cause of anything in our deterministic universe. - In the universe, but not of the universe.

BTW, the same goes for your God object/concept, if it exists outside of our deterministic universe, it cannot be a cause of anything in this universe. If that is true, then there is no difference between your God object and any other object that does not exist.  Lack of evidence supports that notion. - Outside of the universe, and inside of the universe, but not of the universe, except in the physical part of Jesus.

For the record, I am not convinced that our universe is deterministic. If you look at the quantum effects, it becomes abundantly clear that it is not.  But please do not claim that God/souls/angels are the cause of non-deterministic quantum effects, because that would be another Christian heresy. - Nobody has proven quantum effect in nature without mankind making it... C&E.
 
BTW, the C&E regression can run ad infinitum.  I see no logical argument that it cannot.  Actually, it would be illogical to assume that it (God) started without a cause.  However, the way our universe actually started, it is actually nonsensical to talk about a cause or effect in the absence of space-time.  You need time to determine what is the cause and what is the effect. - You can't describe the qualities and attributes of God outside of the universe. What is C&E to us might be something completely different to God. But when God makes the universe, it becomes C&E to us.

As for our brain, it is an automaton; it responds to the environment, our actions are predicated on all the prior stimuli our brain received.
There is no independent free will, IMHO.  There is an illusion of free will, but our actions, our thoughts are driven by what we have experienced in the past.  Even when you make that final, split-second decision, it is made because of some last cause and the 100B neural network that processed that cause. - Another way to say what I have been stating all along. This means that there is no free will except if it is found outside the brain. "Outside the brain" can mean seeming to be within the brain, but outside of it "dimensionally."

PS. To answer your question.  I do not believe in God because I have read all three Abrahamic holy books.  It is clear that they were written by people to control other people.   Writers projected their own personalities to the God they have created.  It is fiction, a scientific nonsense.  Moral rules listed in them are abhorrent. God is a psychologically comforting concept, but it has nothing to do with reality.

You talk about the Bible killing babies. But our abortions in the US have murdered way more babies than any holy book could ever think of killing. And our abortion clinics certainly aren't religious places in the sense of formal religions.

You might be a wonderful guy, yourself. But holy books are designed to get rid of the murders, even if it takes killing the murderers to stop the murders.

If you look in Ezekiel 18, you will see that God isn't interested in killing people. He is interested in getting rid of the killing. If the murderers stop murdering, God is ready to forgive and forget their past murders. And the same with their other evils.

If you are so vehemently against killing babies why are you accepting the Bible as your moral guide?  You are obviously better than your God when it comes to the issue of killing babies.

Why do you think your God in the Bible is such a primitive, ignorant asshole? 
I'll tell you why.  Because he lived somewhere around 800-2500 BC and did not know better. 

This book that you so cherish as divine is a product of human imagination.
Poorly written ancient tragic soap opera, not worth the paper it is written on.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/moloch-statue-child-sacrifice-colosseum-holy-site-christian-martyrs-233812

[iamsheikhadil]

I don't discard the idea of a God. There can be a creator for real, someone who is more intelligent than us, someone who's actually the creator of anything that exists today.

But, if he's that intelligent, I guess he will not be that boring to just tell to his creation "believe in me or I'll toast your ass in fire for eternity".

If he exists though, he's the one who's getting punished for eternity. He's lone. He's in solitude. If he is unlike anything of his creation, he doesn't have anything to compare to.

Yeah, he may say, how he knows everything. But what if he doesn't know something which he doesn't know?

Shouldn't that worry him? He's existing eternally with an eternal memory? Why doesn't he think how and why he's even there in the first place? Oh, he doesn't have a first place, shouldn't that make him worried? And lonely?

No one can really feel what he's feeling. No one can because he himself says it.

That's some real solitude to live in. Basically he can't even cease to exist. He doesn't even have a choice.

[BADecker]

If you are so vehemently against killing babies why are you accepting the Bible as your moral guide?  You are obviously better than your God when it comes to the issue of killing babies.

Why do you think your God in the Bible is such a primitive, ignorant asshole? 
I'll tell you why.  Because he lived somewhere around 800-2500 BC and did not know better. 

This book that you so cherish as divine is a product of human imagination.
Poorly written ancient tragic soap opera, not worth the paper it is written on.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/moloch-statue-child-sacrifice-colosseum-holy-site-christian-martyrs-233812

As I told you, sometimes it takes killing off the killers.

"Holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy spirit"

Just because some Christians are bad at times, doesn't mean that God is ever bad.

In your lack of recognizing that God exists, you are setting yourself up for destruction. Since you personally aren't doing a lot of destruction, God might spare you for a long time, with the hope that you will recognize Him. But if you don't, your destruction is your choice.

[af_newbie]

If you are so vehemently against killing babies why are you accepting the Bible as your moral guide?  You are obviously better than your God when it comes to the issue of killing babies.

Why do you think your God in the Bible is such a primitive, ignorant asshole? 
I'll tell you why.  Because he lived somewhere around 800-2500 BC and did not know better. 

This book that you so cherish as divine is a product of human imagination.
Poorly written ancient tragic soap opera, not worth the paper it is written on.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/moloch-statue-child-sacrifice-colosseum-holy-site-christian-martyrs-233812

As I told you, sometimes it takes killing off the killers.

"Holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy spirit"

Just because some Christians are bad at times, doesn't mean that God is ever bad.

In your lack of recognizing that God exists, you are setting yourself up for destruction. Since you personally aren't doing a lot of destruction, God might spare you for a long time, with the hope that you will recognize Him. But if you don't, your destruction is your choice.

We already have a medical term for this condition, it is called schizophrenia.

[jqprez]

If you are so vehemently against killing babies why are you accepting the Bible as your moral guide?  You are obviously better than your God when it comes to the issue of killing babies.

Why do you think your God in the Bible is such a primitive, ignorant asshole?  
I'll tell you why.  Because he lived somewhere around 800-2500 BC and did not know better.  

This book that you so cherish as divine is a product of human imagination.
Poorly written ancient tragic soap opera, not worth the paper it is written on.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/moloch-statue-child-sacrifice-colosseum-holy-site-christian-martyrs-233812

As I told you, sometimes it takes killing off the killers.

"Holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy spirit"

Just because some Christians are bad at times, doesn't mean that God is ever bad.

In your lack of recognizing that God exists, you are setting yourself up for destruction. Since you personally aren't doing a lot of destruction, God might spare you for a long time, with the hope that you will recognize Him. But if you don't, your destruction is your choice.

We already have a medical term for this condition, it is called schizophrenia.

and the medical term for the Life? How is? And for the stupidity? Cmon, change the thread name in that you think: " why i m satanist" let' s go out

[Trading]

A new study concluded that the Catholic Church converted Europeans on a more emphatic people able to trust strangers, by prohibiting marriage between close related family members, forcing people to deal with members of other communities more often.

"The policies of the medieval Catholic clergy may be responsible for modern psychology in the West."
https://www.livescience.com/catholic-church-made-westerners-weird.html

They argued that this promoted trade, exchange of ideas and so development. And also reinforced national community ties and democracy.

A sociological positive consequence of a religion? This would be something new.

However, their other conclusion that this also made Europeans more individualistic and independent of the family and local community is at odds with the classic conclusions of Max Weber, that Catholic doctrines created a more subservient and passive mentality in front of Protestantism that explained the decadence of the catholic countries and the higher development of protestant countries.

But other specialists argue that it wasn't the difference of mentalities that explained the decadence of catholic countries, but the incentive that protestant countries created for learning to read (in order to be able to read sacred texts, like in Judaism).

[BADecker]

If you are so vehemently against killing babies why are you accepting the Bible as your moral guide?  You are obviously better than your God when it comes to the issue of killing babies.

Why do you think your God in the Bible is such a primitive, ignorant asshole? 
I'll tell you why.  Because he lived somewhere around 800-2500 BC and did not know better. 

This book that you so cherish as divine is a product of human imagination.
Poorly written ancient tragic soap opera, not worth the paper it is written on.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/moloch-statue-child-sacrifice-colosseum-holy-site-christian-martyrs-233812

As I told you, sometimes it takes killing off the killers.

"Holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy spirit"

Just because some Christians are bad at times, doesn't mean that God is ever bad.

In your lack of recognizing that God exists, you are setting yourself up for destruction. Since you personally aren't doing a lot of destruction, God might spare you for a long time, with the hope that you will recognize Him. But if you don't, your destruction is your choice.

We already have a medical term for this condition, it is called schizophrenia.

When you don't accept the proof that God exists and does what He pleases, it's essentially self-denial.

[af_newbie]

If you are so vehemently against killing babies why are you accepting the Bible as your moral guide?  You are obviously better than your God when it comes to the issue of killing babies.

Why do you think your God in the Bible is such a primitive, ignorant asshole?  
I'll tell you why.  Because he lived somewhere around 800-2500 BC and did not know better.  

This book that you so cherish as divine is a product of human imagination.
Poorly written ancient tragic soap opera, not worth the paper it is written on.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/moloch-statue-child-sacrifice-colosseum-holy-site-christian-martyrs-233812

As I told you, sometimes it takes killing off the killers.

"Holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy spirit"

Just because some Christians are bad at times, doesn't mean that God is ever bad.

In your lack of recognizing that God exists, you are setting yourself up for destruction. Since you personally aren't doing a lot of destruction, God might spare you for a long time, with the hope that you will recognize Him. But if you don't, your destruction is your choice.

We already have a medical term for this condition, it is called schizophrenia.

When you don't accept the proof that God exists and does what He pleases, it's essentially self-denial.

I have told you many times, I would accept any proof you can provide.

A selfie with God and a card that says: "BADecker" would do.

A post from God in this thread would be acceptable as well  (please include my ATM card PIN number)

[BADecker]

I have told you many times, I would accept any proof you can provide.

A selfie with God and a card that says: "BADecker" would do.

A post from God in this thread would be acceptable as well  (please include my ATM card PIN number)

God is the one who produces proof. The universe is the proof of His existence. If you won't believe the universe proof, you wouldn't believe a selfie or ATM card and PIN.

[darkangel11]

God is the one who produces proof. The universe is the proof of His existence. If you won't believe the universe proof, you wouldn't believe a selfie or ATM card and PIN.

It works only if you believe that the universe was made by your god.
It all depends on the definition of a god.

Some facts to consider, even if we assume the universe was made by a god.

It was a 13 billion years ago and that being ceased to exist.
The universe was made by this being , but then evolved by itself, which doesn't make you his intentional creation. He created matter and billions of years later some part of this matter made your neanderthal ancestor. In such case should you really be praying to a god that probably doesn't even know he made you and doesn't care. Just like you don't care what bacteria will grow on the shit you flushed yesterday.

[af_newbie]

I have told you many times, I would accept any proof you can provide.

A selfie with God and a card that says: "BADecker" would do.

A post from God in this thread would be acceptable as well  (please include my ATM card PIN number)

God is the one who produces proof. The universe is the proof of His existence. If you won't believe the universe proof, you wouldn't believe a selfie or ATM card and PIN.

Oh, I would.

BTW, the universe is not proof of God's existence unless you equate God with the universe.

But, if you do, you can safely lose the extra verbiage and call it by its proper name: the universe.

C'mon, it is just a number.  Provide my PIN number and we can settle this right now. LOL.

Anyway, kidding aside, you should probably read this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Brave-New-World-Revisited/dp/0060776099/

It will put things into perspective for you.  Maybe it will make you think for once.

[BADecker]

God is the one who produces proof. The universe is the proof of His existence. If you won't believe the universe proof, you wouldn't believe a selfie or ATM card and PIN.

It works only if you believe that the universe was made by your god.
It all depends on the definition of a god.

Some facts to consider, even if we assume the universe was made by a god.

It was a 13 billion years ago and that being ceased to exist.
The universe was made by this being , but then evolved by itself, which doesn't make you his intentional creation. He created matter and billions of years later some part of this matter made your neanderthal ancestor. In such case should you really be praying to a god that probably doesn't even know he made you and doesn't care. Just like you don't care what bacteria will grow on the shit you flushed yesterday.

The strongest a person can do against believing that the universe was made by God, is to believe that he doesn't know how it was made.

Machine universe proves a maker. Combining complexity, cause-and-effect, and entropy, proves the maker was intelligent like a God would have to be. The order in the universe, and the great size of it proves that the maker was at least acting as ONE.

There is no proof for a multi-billion year old universe. Fun story, though.

There is no proof for evolution in any way we can design it. Fun story, though.

Check this out for the proof that there is no evolution - https://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2019/11/9-scientific-facts-prove-theory-of.html.

Check this out for the proof that there is no Big Bang - http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/sci-ev/sci_vs_ev_2.htm.

I know. These articles are a bit extensive, and might be difficult for a false religion believer like you to absorb in one sitting. But you should be able to see from them, that there is at least a great big chunk of doubt about the fact of evolution and BB. What this means is that you have a evolution/BB religion going for yourself until you factually answer the points presented by the articles.

[af_newbie]

God is the one who produces proof. The universe is the proof of His existence. If you won't believe the universe proof, you wouldn't believe a selfie or ATM card and PIN.

It works only if you believe that the universe was made by your god.
It all depends on the definition of a god.

Some facts to consider, even if we assume the universe was made by a god.

It was a 13 billion years ago and that being ceased to exist.
The universe was made by this being , but then evolved by itself, which doesn't make you his intentional creation. He created matter and billions of years later some part of this matter made your neanderthal ancestor. In such case should you really be praying to a god that probably doesn't even know he made you and doesn't care. Just like you don't care what bacteria will grow on the shit you flushed yesterday.

The strongest a person can do against believing that the universe was made by God, is to believe that he doesn't know how it was made.

Machine universe proves a maker. Combining complexity, cause-and-effect, and entropy, proves the maker was intelligent like a God would have to be. The order in the universe, and the great size of it proves that the maker was at least acting as ONE.

There is no proof for a multi-billion year old universe. Fun story, though.

There is no proof for evolution in any way we can design it. Fun story, though.

Check this out for the proof that there is no evolution - https://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2019/11/9-scientific-facts-prove-theory-of.html.

Check this out for the proof that there is no Big Bang - http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/sci-ev/sci_vs_ev_2.htm.

I know. These articles are a bit extensive, and might be difficult for a false religion believer like you to absorb in one sitting. But you should be able to see from them, that there is at least a great big chunk of doubt about the fact of evolution and BB. What this means is that you have a evolution/BB religion going for yourself until you factually answer the points presented by the articles.

Not really:

https://arxiv.org/abs/1404.1207

https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/a-mathematical-proof-that-the-universe-could-have-formed-spontaneously-from-nothing-ed7ed0f304a3

[BADecker]

Not really:

https://arxiv.org/abs/1404.1207

https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/a-mathematical-proof-that-the-universe-could-have-formed-spontaneously-from-nothing-ed7ed0f304a3

Except that the science you show in the links is circular science. It doesn't have anything scientific at its base.


Check this out for the proof that there is no evolution - https://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2019/11/9-scientific-facts-prove-theory-of.html.

Check this out for the proof that there is no Big Bang - http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/sci-ev/sci_vs_ev_2.htm.

[darkangel11]

The strongest a person can do against believing that the universe was made by God, is to believe that he doesn't know how it was made.

Machine universe proves a maker. Combining complexity, cause-and-effect, and entropy, proves the maker was intelligent like a God would have to be. The order in the universe, and the great size of it proves that the maker was at least acting as ONE.

There is no proof for a multi-billion year old universe. Fun story, though.

There is no proof for evolution in any way we can design it. Fun story, though.

Check this out for the proof that there is no evolution - https://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2019/11/9-scientific-facts-prove-theory-of.html.

Check this out for the proof that there is no Big Bang - http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/sci-ev/sci_vs_ev_2.htm.

I know. These articles are a bit extensive, and might be difficult for a false religion believer like you to absorb in one sitting. But you should be able to see from them, that there is at least a great big chunk of doubt about the fact of evolution and BB. What this means is that you have a evolution/BB religion going for yourself until you factually answer the points presented by the articles.

So we did not come from Neanderthals... There was no homo habilis and homo erectus and this god made us the way we are now. It's all a myth. All those skeletons found, the dna sequence that's very similar to the one of modern monkeys. God created Adam and Eve and they kept fucking their children until there was a whole town of them inbreds.

I'm not a religion believer of any kind. I don't believe in bedtime stories about some guy being born of a virgin, who had a husband, who believed her when she told him that god came down and put a child into her belly.

[iluvbitcoins]

There is no missing link. That's a myth.
Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon, Homo floresiensis, Homo erectus, Homo ergaster, Homo habilis, Paranthropus boisei, Paranthropus aethiopicus, Australopithecus africanus, Australopithecus afarensis ....

How come all these 'species' of humans existed in different times if evolution isn't true?

[notbatman]

There is no missing link. That's a myth.
Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon, Homo floresiensis, Homo erectus, Homo ergaster, Homo habilis, Paranthropus boisei, Paranthropus aethiopicus, Australopithecus africanus, Australopithecus afarensis ....

How come all these 'species' of humans existed in different times if evolution isn't true?

I've highlighted the problem with your argument; sausage links are made for a hotdog party not good science.

You see different races of humans like dogs or rabbits doesn't prove Epstein didn't kill himself. How come all these rabbit holes exist if he hung himself on his knees?

[BADecker]

There is no missing link. That's a myth.
Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon, Homo floresiensis, Homo erectus, Homo ergaster, Homo habilis, Paranthropus boisei, Paranthropus aethiopicus, Australopithecus africanus, Australopithecus afarensis ....

How come all these 'species' of humans existed in different times if evolution isn't true?

I've highlighted the problem with your argument; sausage links are made for a hotdog party not good science.

You see different races of humans like dogs or rabbits doesn't prove Epstein didn't kill himself. How come all these rabbit holes exist if he hung himself on his knees?

The point is, if there was any evolution, there would be all kinds of failures in the fossil record. But there aren't any. But if there are one or two, there are not anywhere near the millions that would be required to exist if evolution were real.

The alternative - God - is proven again!

[notbatman]

@BADecker,

   Your misleading statements only serve to steer or move people away from the truth. Illustrations or engravings of a ball (ba'al) earth are a violation of the second commandment as written by the hand of zeus himself. Claiming God works within this paradigm is heresy.



Your children are sacrificed to BADecker's ba'al earth god!