Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[HeRetiK]

wouldn't it make better sense for KnC to allow all customers (hosting and non-hosting) to join the KnC mining pool?

wouldn't it be a better result for all KnC customers?

If they deliver as promised that could kill the network.

[titomane]

wouldn't it make better sense for KnC to allow all customers (hosting and non-hosting) to join the KnC mining pool?

wouldn't it be a better result for all KnC customers?

If they deliver as promised that could kill the network.

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But if KNC meet promised. They will break the network. It has no logic.

[FeedbackLoop]

Sorry, I can't find what KNC "has promised". Is there some large number of promised and announced units to be released?

[superfluouso]

For those not opting for KnC hosting, can anyone recommend a pool?  Not sure what to go with since KnC's pool will be closed to hosted only...

[ASIC-K]

For those not opting for KnC hosting, can anyone recommend a pool?  Not sure what to go with since KnC's pool will be closed to hosted only...

i go with 50btc. honestly i chose it purely for the webpage aesthetics. probably a dumb choice, but its just so easy to navigate and check stats etc.

[yuriygeorge]

... this is disappointing and a tad bit concerning.

Sadly I have to admit I get the same impression.

You shouldn't be concerned or sad about the hosting plan.  They could have not offered one and if you have a better/cheaper way of hosting just do not purchase it. 

Some people will find that it is a better solution for them and that's that.

Actually, if you go to their "About Us" page, they talk about how the hosting/renting options are one of the reasons why they stand out from the competition: https://www.kncminer.com/pages/aboutus

" Imagine if you could rent your mining machine or a quarter of a machine instead of buying it. Then you could get started with less money and you could easily upgrade whenever it suits you. You would then not have to bother about all technical issues to set up your own machine and you have it fixed sooner if anything [breaks].
Imagine if you could actually decide what Hash-rate you would like to use for the next period and only pay for that.
Or, if you already into this game you probably would like to own your own high performance machine, but you rather have it in a datacenter with high security and proper air conditioner, avoid your own electricity cost and assure you are up and running the day after your purchase of your product."

Plus, I think hosting with KNC is a safe way to ensure the product will work in the first 6-12 months and if something breaks, they'll be able to fix it onsite. It's almost like an extended warranty.

For many of us, a Jupiter on its own is already a large/risky investment. And having to fork up another large sum of money for upfront hosting is disappointing. I think many people agree that any investor in ASICs should be prepared to risk losing it all. I'd be more accepting if I lost $7k for a failed/indefinite ASIC Jupiter experiment, but losing another $2-3k to a hosting package is too much. I hope if enough people demand a month-to-month option, that they'll open it up.

[canth]

A bit disappointed that they're asking for the hosting $$$ up front. I thought it would be on a month-to-month basis. Anyone else disappointed?

Nope - doesn't bother me at all. It'll be painful for them to chase after people that don't pay their month to month hosting and then they have to be concerned about shutting off customers who just forgot to pay a bill.

I'm all for paying up front.

[canth]

wouldn't it make better sense for KnC to allow all customers (hosting and non-hosting) to join the KnC mining pool?

wouldn't it be a better result for all KnC customers?

or is this difficult to implement and control the different mining machines connecting to pool?

I'm one who prefers and enjoys gadgets, a gadget junkie you could call me and will be hosting my miners at home.
PS. I will also probably be the first to pull apart one these machines and take some photos of course. I just have to see one in real life 

No, this would not be better. I imagine that the pool will only be available for internal network connections at the KnC hosting facilities and this reduces the likelihood of a denial of service attack. Reliability is what we want - not massive scale for KnC to make more pool profits.

[nightengale]

The host or not to host choice is still a matter of what difficulty is when the miner ships, and what BTC is trading at.

[canth]

The host or not to host choice is still a matter of what difficulty is when the miner ships, and what BTC is trading at.

Yep - it's essentially the same question as whether the purchase price is worth the cost, except hosting puts more emphasis on electricity in the formula. If you have free electricity, hosting is less interesting. If you have a high cost for electricity, then it's almost a no-brainer for at least the first 6 months.

[yuriygeorge]

A bit disappointed that they're asking for the hosting $$$ up front. I thought it would be on a month-to-month basis. Anyone else disappointed?

Nope - doesn't bother me at all. It'll be painful for them to chase after people that don't pay their month to month hosting and then they have to be concerned about shutting off customers who just forgot to pay a bill.

I'm all for paying up front.

That could be remedied by not returning the miner to the customer until balance is paid in full, or implementing late fees and service disconnection. I don't think that's too difficult to do. If people are getting ROI, I don't see why customers wouldn't pay the monthly fee to continue to get even more ROI.

[ASIC-K]

A bit disappointed that they're asking for the hosting $$$ up front. I thought it would be on a month-to-month basis. Anyone else disappointed?

Nope - doesn't bother me at all. It'll be painful for them to chase after people that don't pay their month to month hosting and then they have to be concerned about shutting off customers who just forgot to pay a bill.

I'm all for paying up front.

That could be remedied by not returning the miner to the customer until balance is paid in full, or implementing late fees and service disconnection. I don't think that's too difficult to do. If people are getting ROI, I don't see why customers wouldn't pay the monthly fee to continue to get even more ROI.

Look, this is stupid. KNC is catering to the high end for people who can afford it. this makes it exclusive. go save your pennies and buy a BFL is you dont like the system.

[titomane]

wouldn't it make better sense for KnC to allow all customers (hosting and non-hosting) to join the KnC mining pool?

wouldn't it be a better result for all KnC customers?

or is this difficult to implement and control the different mining machines connecting to pool?

I'm one who prefers and enjoys gadgets, a gadget junkie you could call me and will be hosting my miners at home.
PS. I will also probably be the first to pull apart one these machines and take some photos of course. I just have to see one in real life 

No, this would not be better. I imagine that the pool will only be available for internal network connections at the KnC hosting facilities and this reduces the likelihood of a denial of service attack. Reliability is what we want - not massive scale for KnC to make more pool profits.

It is absurd, putting a limit to 5s for denial solves the problem of a DDOS attack. Any current firewall has this option.

[superfluouso]

A bit disappointed that they're asking for the hosting $$$ up front. I thought it would be on a month-to-month basis. Anyone else disappointed?

Nope - doesn't bother me at all. It'll be painful for them to chase after people that don't pay their month to month hosting and then they have to be concerned about shutting off customers who just forgot to pay a bill.

I'm all for paying up front.

That could be remedied by not returning the miner to the customer until balance is paid in full, or implementing late fees and service disconnection. I don't think that's too difficult to do. If people are getting ROI, I don't see why customers wouldn't pay the monthly fee to continue to get even more ROI.

To me it looks like you pay a premium to start mining in September.  But unless BTC is $150 or higher, its just gonna kill profitability on these with the insane rate of difficulty...I guess so long as you're mining btc, you could just look at it as a deferred ROI if btc doesn't hit or exceed $150 for another 6 months..

[canth]

No, this would not be better. I imagine that the pool will only be available for internal network connections at the KnC hosting facilities and this reduces the likelihood of a denial of service attack. Reliability is what we want - not massive scale for KnC to make more pool profits.

It is absurd, putting a limit to 5s for denial solves the problem of a DDOS attack. Any current firewall has this option.

You, sir, appear to have never been under a real DDoS attack. Maybe a denial of service attack, but not a distributed attack. Maybe you think that NetworkSolutions for example, just didn't check off the right box on their firewall.

http://www.informationweek.com/security/attacks/network-solutions-recovers-after-ddos-at/240158685

[jmaccoin]

mining.thegenesisblock.com

Pick a Jupiter in October, add in hosting fee, change power costs to 0, change pool fee to 1.5%.

[titomane]

No, this would not be better. I imagine that the pool will only be available for internal network connections at the KnC hosting facilities and this reduces the likelihood of a denial of service attack. Reliability is what we want - not massive scale for KnC to make more pool profits.

It is absurd, putting a limit to 5s for denial solves the problem of a DDOS attack. Any current firewall has this option.

You, sir, appear to have never been under a real DDoS attack. Maybe a denial of service attack, but not a distributed attack. Maybe you think that NetworkSolutions for example, just didn't check off the right box on their firewall.

http://www.informationweek.com/security/attacks/network-solutions-recovers-after-ddos-at/240158685

If you have a Router/os  Router insert this rule in firewall

Code:

ip firewall filter
add action=accept chain=input comment="Aceptar conexiones establecidas" \
    connection-state=established disabled=no
add action=accept chain=input comment="Aceptar related conexiones" \
    connection-state=related disabled=no
add action=drop chain=input comment="Rechazar conexiones invlidas" \
    connection-state=invalid disabled=no
add action=drop chain=input comment="Bloquear Lista SSH" disabled=no \
    src-address=!192.168.1.0/24 src-address-list=SSH
add action=drop chain=input comment="Bloquea Lista Telnet" disabled=no \
    src-address=!192.168.1.0/24 src-address-list=Telnet
add action=drop chain=forward comment="Bloqueo Lista P2P" disabled=no \
    src-address=!192.168.1.0/24 src-address-list="Bloqueo de P2P"
add action=drop chain=input disabled=no src-address-list="Bloqueo de P2P"
add action=drop chain=output disabled=no src-address-list="Bloqueo de P2P"
add action=add-src-to-address-list address-list="Accesos Via Web" \
    address-list-timeout=1d chain=input comment="Conexion WebBox" disabled=no \
    dst-port=80 protocol=tcp
add action=accept chain=input disabled=no dst-port=80 protocol=tcp
add action=add-src-to-address-list address-list="Winbox Aceptado" \
    address-list-timeout=1d chain=input comment=\
    "Agrega IPs Que entran por Winbox" disabled=no dst-port=8291 protocol=tcp
add action=accept chain=input disabled=no dst-port=8291 protocol=tcp
add action=log chain=input disabled=no dst-port=8291 log-prefix=\
    "Entrada por Winbox" protocol=tcp
add action=accept chain=input comment="Aceptar pings limitados" disabled=no \
    protocol=icmp
add action=add-src-to-address-list address-list="Entradas por FTP" \
    address-list-timeout=2d chain=input comment=\
    "Crea Lista de IPs que entran al FTP" disabled=yes dst-port=21 protocol=tcp
add action=accept chain=input disabled=yes dst-port=21 protocol=tcp
add action=add-src-to-address-list address-list=SSH address-list-timeout=2d \
    chain=input comment="Crea Lista de Entradas SSH" disabled=no dst-port=22 \
    protocol=tcp
add action=accept chain=input disabled=no dst-port=22 protocol=tcp
add action=add-src-to-address-list address-list=Telnet address-list-timeout=2d \
    chain=input comment=ListaTelnet disabled=no dst-port=23 protocol=tcp
add action=accept chain=input disabled=no dst-port=23 protocol=tcp
add action=add-src-to-address-list address-list="Bloqueo de P2P" \
    address-list-timeout=1d chain=forward comment=P2P disabled=no p2p=all-p2p \
    protocol=tcp
add action=drop chain=forward disabled=no p2p=all-p2p protocol=tcp
add action=drop chain=input disabled=no p2p=all-p2p protocol=tcp
add action=drop chain=output disabled=no p2p=all-p2p protocol=tcp
add action=accept chain=input comment="Conexiones desde la red Local" disabled=\
    no src-address=192.168.1.0/24

So it is impossible to suffer because of a DDos attack.
So you put a limit connections to 1 every 5s rejected. If you has more than 100 reject per second.
With other firewalls, it is much easier. Because I have incorporated anti-DDoS

[nightengale]

mining.thegenesisblock.com

Pick a Jupiter in October, add in hosting fee, change power costs to 0, change pool fee to 1.5%.

Don't know if their 62% difficulty increase is realistic... maybe worst case scenario?

[jmaccoin]

Don't know if their 62% difficulty increase is realistic... maybe worst case scenario?

It's the change over the last 30 days. I don't know how any other number could be considered more realistic than what has happened in the last month.

[JohnyBigs]

yeah the whole upfront hosting kinda kills it for me also, maybe if they give you a month window to pay for it so we can use the profits of mining to pay for it other than that, it just adds more and more costs.