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November 20, 2014, 03:45:25 PM |
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The statement regarding not getting a share is the same as saying: I picked a card 20 times and didn't get a Jack - there's something wrong with the deck of cards.
It's more like saying, I'm using one of those card dealing machines from Vegas to deal me 3 cards a second. For the last two weeks I've gotten 1-3 four of kinds every 24 hours, then for 35 hours, I get zero, and I think a card got stuck in the machine. I did finally get a share today but, then it got orphaned. Is it normal with 2TH/s to have a stretch of 35 hours with no share? Is 2.5TH/s big enough to compete in p2pool? If we're talking about random odds, it seems less likely that I would go that long without getting a share than it does that I would get three shares in a day. I'm fine if this is normal, just trying to learn what to expect, and trying to make sure my systems are configured correctly. I have also had bad luck lately. I have 10TH/s (from only 7 miners) and recently went 10-11 hours without a share, and have gone 6 hours without a share many times over the past 5 days. My "expected time to share" is under 2 hours. I am not sure if that statistic is accurate anymore. I'm having a hard time convincing myself to stay with P2Pool.
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November 20, 2014, 03:53:01 PM |
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It's variance & luck guys - keep with it. Patience is the key with p2pool On a different note, Evan (DRK dev) over on the Darkcoin thread wants everyone to use p2pool for mining, but has also suggested that it needs a complete re-write. I've posted asking him if he knows of anyone who could manage it - maybe with a few more of us giving him some inspiration? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=213051.msg2234739#msg2234739Judging by what he has done with DRK - he certainly is an excellent coder.
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November 20, 2014, 04:01:25 PM |
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The statement regarding not getting a share is the same as saying: I picked a card 20 times and didn't get a Jack - there's something wrong with the deck of cards.
It's more like saying, I'm using one of those card dealing machines from Vegas to deal me 3 cards a second. For the last two weeks I've gotten 1-3 four of kinds every 24 hours, then for 35 hours, I get zero, and I think a card got stuck in the machine. I did finally get a share today but, then it got orphaned. Is it normal with 2TH/s to have a stretch of 35 hours with no share? Is 2.5TH/s big enough to compete in p2pool? If we're talking about random odds, it seems less likely that I would go that long without getting a share than it does that I would get three shares in a day. I'm fine if this is normal, just trying to learn what to expect, and trying to make sure my systems are configured correctly. Shares are all about luck. Your miner(s) process a hunk of data, then looks at the result. If the result is of "high" enough value, it's submitted. p2pool then looks at the work submitted, and if it's of "high" enough value for the share chain, it's submitted to the rest the pool. The rest of the pool either accepts it, or rejects it (orphan/dead). That's what mining is all about. Higher hash rates simply means your miners are doing more of what I stated above more often. That means it's more likely to find a "higher" value share, but it's still all about luck. BTW, the same logic applies to blocks. If the share is REALLY "high", then it's considered a block and submitted to the Bitcoin network. If it's accepted, payout occurs based on the content of the block. If it's not.. it's called an orphan. M
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November 20, 2014, 04:30:05 PM |
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Thanks for the replies guys, I'm starting to understand a little more. I'd like to be able to play with this and other settings but, it's unclear to me what happens if I restart the p2pool service on my local node. Can I restart p2pool and have it pick back up where it left off, or do I need to wait some period of time after restarting to see if my changes affected anything? Is there a penalty when I shut my service down and my miners fail over to an external p2pool service? I understand that with the randomness of what we're doing this is not set in stone, my question is if there is something built in to p2pool to force me to wait after a restart of the service. I see mention of a ramp up time, is p2pool doing something specific during the ramp up, or is that just referring to the time it takes to wait for random luck?
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November 20, 2014, 04:58:11 PM |
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Thanks for the replies guys, I'm starting to understand a little more. I'd like to be able to play with this and other settings but, it's unclear to me what happens if I restart the p2pool service on my local node. Can I restart p2pool and have it pick back up where it left off, or do I need to wait some period of time after restarting to see if my changes affected anything? Is there a penalty when I shut my service down and my miners fail over to an external p2pool service? I understand that with the randomness of what we're doing this is not set in stone, my question is if there is something built in to p2pool to force me to wait after a restart of the service. I see mention of a ramp up time, is p2pool doing something specific during the ramp up, or is that just referring to the time it takes to wait for random luck?
When you restart your node your existing shares are not affected. You will break the connection you have with any peers and they will have to be re-established. Also, it does take a few minutes to re-download the share chain, and on most front ends your stats will reset. A cool feature for minimum downtime is that you can have 2 instances of p2pool running at once (while only one is active). So if you start the new instance before killing the old one and wait a few minutes to kill the old one you will have a very small window of downtime.
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November 20, 2014, 05:05:29 PM |
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The statement regarding not getting a share is the same as saying: I picked a card 20 times and didn't get a Jack - there's something wrong with the deck of cards.
It's more like saying, I'm using one of those card dealing machines from Vegas to deal me 3 cards a second. For the last two weeks I've gotten 1-3 four of kinds every 24 hours, then for 35 hours, I get zero, and I think a card got stuck in the machine. I did finally get a share today but, then it got orphaned. Is it normal with 2TH/s to have a stretch of 35 hours with no share? Is 2.5TH/s big enough to compete in p2pool? If we're talking about random odds, it seems less likely that I would go that long without getting a share than it does that I would get three shares in a day. I'm fine if this is normal, just trying to learn what to expect, and trying to make sure my systems are configured correctly. I have also had bad luck lately. I have 10TH/s (from only 7 miners) and recently went 10-11 hours without a share, and have gone 6 hours without a share many times over the past 5 days. My "expected time to share" is under 2 hours. I am not sure if that statistic is accurate anymore. I'm having a hard time convincing myself to stay with P2Pool. This is exactly why we implemented a new payout system for NastyPool. You will not have this variance if you mine on our P2Pool node at nastyfans.org:9332 and add -PPS to the end of your Bitcoin address...
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November 20, 2014, 06:01:06 PM |
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Is it me - or is everyone jumping on the decentralized p2pool band wagon? @Ognasty: Is your pool connected to the p2pool share chain? The only way this will benefit p2pool is if you were, & I can't see it anywhere. Or am I just not getting it?
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November 20, 2014, 06:05:21 PM |
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Is it me - or is everyone jumping on the decentralized p2pool band wagon? @Ognasty: Is your pool connected to the p2pool share chain? The only way this will benefit p2pool is if you were, & I can't see it anywhere. Or am I just not getting it? It is of course connected to the p2pool share chain (and we announced our plan to offer this more than a year ago). The goal for us was to build upon the back of p2pool, not try and steal the idea. The address we're using for our custom payout system is 1NastyBTCcxbAQQ22kEijbXqgyBPRujftL and should be independently verifiable as mining on the p2pool share chain.
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IYFTech
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November 20, 2014, 06:11:28 PM |
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Is it me - or is everyone jumping on the decentralized p2pool band wagon? @Ognasty: Is your pool connected to the p2pool share chain? The only way this will benefit p2pool is if you were, & I can't see it anywhere. Or am I just not getting it? It is of course connected to the p2pool share chain (and we announced our plan to offer this more than a year ago). The goal for us was to improve upon the back of p2pool, not try and steal the idea. The address we're using for our custom payout system is 1NastyBTCcxbAQQ22kEijbXqgyBPRujftL and should be independently verifiable as mining on the p2pool share chain. Ah, I see it now - was looking for a different address - thanks I presume you've changed the p2pool code - is there a link to it anywhere?
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November 20, 2014, 06:24:22 PM Last edit: November 21, 2014, 07:18:51 PM by OgNasty |
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Is it me - or is everyone jumping on the decentralized p2pool band wagon? @Ognasty: Is your pool connected to the p2pool share chain? The only way this will benefit p2pool is if you were, & I can't see it anywhere. Or am I just not getting it? It is of course connected to the p2pool share chain (and we announced our plan to offer this more than a year ago). The goal for us was to improve upon the back of p2pool, not try and steal the idea. The address we're using for our custom payout system is 1NastyBTCcxbAQQ22kEijbXqgyBPRujftL and should be independently verifiable as mining on the p2pool share chain. Ah, I see it now - was looking for a different address - thanks I presume you've changed the p2pool code - is there a link to it anywhere? *I* cannot claim responsibility for the development. nonnakip wrote the payout system from scratch in C-code and it runs on top of the default p2pool code.
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November 20, 2014, 06:49:38 PM |
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Gotcha. So he made the changes on git I presume - can you ask him to post a link to it? Thanks
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November 20, 2014, 09:18:46 PM Last edit: November 21, 2014, 07:20:06 PM by OgNasty |
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Gotcha. So he made the changes on git I presume - can you ask him to post a link to it? Thanks No. We use the default p2pool code so there are no changes to be made on git. It is a separate payout system developed for NastyPool that is written in a different computer language (C vs Python).
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November 20, 2014, 09:20:59 PM |
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Gotcha. So he made the changes on git I presume - can you ask him to post a link to it? Thanks No. I don't believe any changes were made or are planned to be made on git. It is a separate payout system developed for NastyPool that is written in a different computer language (C vs Python). Are there plans to open source that code and allow others to use it on their nodes?
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November 20, 2014, 10:02:47 PM |
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Gotcha. So he made the changes on git I presume - can you ask him to post a link to it? Thanks No. I don't believe any changes were made or are planned to be made on git. It is a separate payout system developed for NastyPool that is written in a different computer language (C vs Python). Are there plans to open source that code and allow others to use it on their nodes? I find it interesting that all of the communications I've received so far are asking if there are plans to give this development away, but nobody has even tried mining on our node with it yet.
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November 20, 2014, 10:16:03 PM Last edit: November 20, 2014, 10:30:59 PM by PatMan |
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Gotcha. So he made the changes on git I presume - can you ask him to post a link to it? Thanks No. I don't believe any changes were made or are planned to be made on git. It is a separate payout system developed for NastyPool that is written in a different computer language (C vs Python). Are there plans to open source that code and allow others to use it on their nodes? I find it interesting that all of the communications I've received so far are asking if there are plans to give this development away, but nobody has even tried mining on our node with it yet. Give it time People are wary of closed source mining software, and rightly so. Personally, I won't touch anything that's not open source, which was one of the reasons I chose p2pool in the first place. I'm not for one moment suggesting that your software isn't kosher, & I congratulate you on your efforts - I just prefer to see what code I'm using, as do most others I'm sure you'll get some testers soon, and look forward to seeing the results
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November 21, 2014, 01:22:19 AM |
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Gotcha. So he made the changes on git I presume - can you ask him to post a link to it? Thanks No. I don't believe any changes were made or are planned to be made on git. It is a separate payout system developed for NastyPool that is written in a different computer language (C vs Python). Are there plans to open source that code and allow others to use it on their nodes? I find it interesting that all of the communications I've received so far are asking if there are plans to give this development away, but nobody has even tried mining on our node with it yet. Give it time People are wary of closed source mining software, and rightly so. Personally, I won't touch anything that's not open source, which was one of the reasons I chose p2pool in the first place. I'm not for one moment suggesting that your software isn't kosher, & I congratulate you on your efforts - I just prefer to see what code I'm using, as do most others I'm sure you'll get some testers soon, and look forward to seeing the results I'm happy to test it on my node and my main point of asking that was are you willing to share your efforts to benefit everyone. I looked at your pool way back but couldn't see how i could use it since all memberships were filled and you had to be a member to mine on it apparently. Nasty always to me seemed a boys club that only the privileged are given access to so I gave up on it.
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November 21, 2014, 02:10:06 AM Last edit: November 21, 2014, 03:21:21 AM by OgNasty |
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I looked at your pool way back but couldn't see how i could use it since all memberships were filled and you had to be a member to mine on it apparently. Nasty always to me seemed a boys club that only the privileged are given access to so I gave up on it.
It isn't my pool, but NastyPool has always operated as a default p2pool node with 0% fee. You don't need to own a NastyFans seat to mine on it or see your stats, even now with the new -PPS option. If you did want the benefits of owning a NastyFans seat, they can be purchased currently for ~0.01 BTC. That's hardly a boys club that only privileged are given access to. I'm sorry you feel that way. I just prefer to see what code I'm using, as do most others Fair enough, although you wouldn't be the one executing the code so even seeing it wouldn't be proof enough for you to switch to NastyPool. Independent testing would be the only thing that would convince we are truly operating fairly with a 0% fee.
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November 21, 2014, 05:37:47 PM |
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A cool feature for minimum downtime is that you can have 2 instances of p2pool running at once (while only one is active). So if you start the new instance before killing the old one and wait a few minutes to kill the old one you will have a very small window of downtime.
Do I need to copy the p2pool code to a second directory to run a second instance? And some other questions, What is the advantage for me in opening port 9333 on my firewall, and why would p2pool tell me I have incoming peers when I don't have the port open? "Peers: 18 (12 incoming)" I know the port is currently closed to the outside, maybe my modems firewall allows established connections like my iptables? Does p2pool ever rotate data/bitcoin/log ?
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PatMan
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November 21, 2014, 05:53:33 PM |
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No, you can just run another instance from the same directory. Helps finding peers, but you seem to be doing fine - so I'd leave it as is. Not sure what you mean by the third question though, sorry
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November 21, 2014, 06:01:18 PM |
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Does p2pool ever rotate data/bitcoin/log ?
It does not rotate it, however it is capped at a certain size, I think 100MB.
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