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Author Topic: [2.5+ EH] Slush Pool (slushpool.com); World's First Mining Pool  (Read 4326743 times)
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May 26, 2013, 11:28:18 PM
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ok, I went through my rewards for the last 30 blocks, and this is my result;

Should have   Actually got
0.00214735    0.00216359    (+0.00001624)
0.00210076    0.00169320    (-0.00040756)
0.00220479    0.00232812    (+0.00012333)
0.00234641    0.00208303    (-0.00026338)
0.00236026    0.00199255    (-0.00036771)
0.00217719    0.00217718    (-0.00000001)
0.00373447    0.00380921    (+0.00007474)
0.00216618    0.00215662    (-0.00000956)
0.00223093    0.00153012    (-0.00070081)
0.00225072    0.00225071    (-0.00000001)
0.00239262    0.00230805    (-0.00008457)
0.00234718    0.00204312    (-0.00030406)
0.00227435    0.00210339    (-0.00017096)
0.00234844    0.00253735    (+0.00018891)
0.00216790    0.00216790    (spot on)
0.00235738    0.00252040    (+0.00016302)
0.00204599    0.00173246    (-0.00031353)
0.00216293    0.00203870    (-0.00012423)
0.00259688    0.00258963    (-0.00000725)
0.00226194    0.00252865    (+0.00026671)
0.00227676    0.00229782    (+0.00002106)
0.00225564    0.00250850    (+0.00025286)
0.00217043    0.00236650    (+0.00019607)
0.00212075    0.00204352    (-0.00007723)
0.00291798    0.00283840    (-0.00007958)
0.00215613    0.00222617    (+0.00007004)
0.00203890    0.00180461    (-0.00023429)
0.00225685    0.00228657    (+0.00002972)
0.00224263    0.00206756    (-0.00017507)
0.00226371    0.00219391    (-0.0000698)
TOTAL           TOTAL           TOTAL DIFF
0.06937445    0.06738754    0.00198691 (OR $0.23)

On average, I should have got 0.002312482 per block

So in 30 blocks, I lost less than one average payment, which doesn't really worry me that much. If I was on some other pools, I'd lose the extra (and more) in fees.

So when I commented on the ups & downs in calculation - I wondered merely if anyone actually took into consideration the positive differences.
Ok, I may have put it into less inflammatory words, I guess. Sorry for that.

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You were lucky. I don't have time to do what you did but you have last line in statistic.
Total:   360867254   50048   0.09695804       757.36552008
So 50048/360867254*757.36552008=0,105037598 and I got 0.09695804.

And that is not full 30 rounds. I was testing if Slush fixed the pool for about 24 hours and about 6 hours was with all miners and lost out on 0.01 BTC. So if I calculate for all miners on this pool for 24 hours that would be 0.04BTC0.03BTC. And if you take 30 days that is 1.2 0.9BTC. If this is not a problem for you it is for me. This is more then 150120$ if every day would be like this one... I can't afford that.

EDIT:And I moved miners in in a middle of a Block and got practicably full reword since I did 1 hour in the run and it was 3 hour run. So teoretecly I lost even more in reword system crash.
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May 26, 2013, 11:33:22 PM
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Well, of course, when my ASICs arrive, it will be of a lot more concern to me.

I guess my low hashrate (and - believe it or not - easy going nature) clouds my judgement a bit.

I wonder what is causing the miscalculations?
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May 26, 2013, 11:36:01 PM
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Using a bit of simple java to read slush's api - I am now storing all results going forward - here's what I have for the last 96 blocks...

Pretty consistent I find... Note the result for 237575 - I don't mind admitting this was way more than expected and others complained about this block.

block=start_time,duration,reward,hashes,luck,difficulty,confirmations
238076=2013-05-26 22:26:09,0:42:39,0.00722143,10284,0.93,12153411,
238072=2013-05-26 21:43:30,0:35:45,0.00809340,10804,1.03,12153411,
238067=2013-05-26 21:07:45,2:23:55,0.00704795,10595,1.08,12153411,
238052=2013-05-26 18:43:50,0:20:55,0.00641399,10583,0.91,12153411,
238048=2013-05-26 18:22:55,2:14:21,0.00717486,10482,0.94,12153411,
238033=2013-05-26 16:08:34,1:11:51,0.00704562,11814,0.88,12153411,
238029=2013-05-26 14:56:43,2:04:08,0.00745546,10597,0.90,12153411,
238017=2013-05-26 12:52:35,1:14:40,0.00619396,10766,0.88,12153411,
238003=2013-05-26 11:37:55,1:21:22,0.00620576,10772,0.89,12153411,
237996=2013-05-26 10:16:33,1:24:44,0.00733699,10410,0.88,12153411,
237983=2013-05-26 08:51:49,2:13:47,0.00743041,9189,0.90,12153411,
237971=2013-05-26 06:38:02,3:11:30,0.00717705,10238,1.02,12153411,
237951=2013-05-26 03:26:32,2:54:45,0.00710204,10340,1.41,12153411,
237930=2013-05-26 00:31:47,0:33:15,0.00847152,10582,1.08,12153411,
237928=2013-05-25 23:58:32,0:25:35,0.00719589,10502,1.01,12153411,
237921=2013-05-25 23:32:57,1:00:46,0.00725148,10399,0.99,12153411,
237915=2013-05-25 22:32:11,0:26:24,0.00692039,10658,1.01,12153411,
237911=2013-05-25 22:05:47,0:39:06,0.00715212,10543,0.94,12153411,
237904=2013-05-25 21:26:41,0:01:08,0.00719272,10639,0.86,12153411,
237903=2013-05-25 21:25:33,0:28:52,0.00755953,10650,0.86,12153411,
237901=2013-05-25 20:56:41,4:16:32,0.00771986,10560,0.95,12153411,
237878=2013-05-25 16:40:09,2:42:32,0.00676582,10401,0.98,11187257,
237854=2013-05-25 13:57:37,1:33:22,0.00725034,10533,0.99,11187257,
237840=2013-05-25 12:24:15,1:04:10,0.00730492,10564,1.09,11187257,
237833=2013-05-25 11:20:05,0:01:38,0.00736490,10489,1.14,11187257,
237832=2013-05-25 11:18:27,3:04:34,0.00771931,10504,1.14,11187257,
237818=2013-05-25 08:13:53,0:08:27,0.00794650,9750,1.14,11187257,
237817=2013-05-25 08:05:26,1:39:50,0.00806913,9621,1.14,11187257,
237807=2013-05-25 06:25:36,0:29:47,0.00783007,10626,1.13,11187257,
237802=2013-05-25 05:55:49,0:32:47,0.00780047,10622,0.93,11187257,
237799=2013-05-25 05:23:02,0:18:18,0.00785517,10668,0.90,11187257,
237796=2013-05-25 05:04:44,0:44:33,0.00764717,10544,0.87,11187257,
237791=2013-05-25 04:20:11,0:13:41,0.00746889,10642,0.81,11187257,
237789=2013-05-25 04:06:30,0:39:30,0.00735985,10590,0.81,11187257,
237787=2013-05-25 03:27:00,0:05:17,0.00755139,10640,0.77,11187257,
237785=2013-05-25 03:21:43,0:15:41,0.00727747,10611,0.78,11187257,
237784=2013-05-25 03:06:02,1:57:45,0.01005058,10515,0.73,11187257,
237770=2013-05-25 01:08:17,7:13:34,0.00784526,10564,0.96,11187257,
237719=2013-05-24 17:54:43,0:02:26,0.00866961,10413,1.21,11187257,
237718=2013-05-24 17:52:17,0:04:50,0.00671417,10399,1.21,11187257,
237717=2013-05-24 17:47:27,4:38:12,0.00875716,10376,1.08,11187257,
237692=2013-05-24 13:09:15,0:00:47,0.00659933,10251,1.11,11187257,
237691=2013-05-24 13:08:28,0:21:19,0.00809546,10259,1.11,11187257,
237687=2013-05-24 12:47:09,0:49:59,0.00851697,10232,1.10,11187257,
237682=2013-05-24 11:57:10,0:17:29,0.00787294,10179,1.08,11187257,
237679=2013-05-24 11:39:41,1:46:36,0.00817001,10088,1.09,11187257,
237666=2013-05-24 09:53:05,1:41:22,0.00733902,10022,1.15,11187257,
237652=2013-05-24 08:11:43,0:18:19,0.00839849,9551,1.15,11187257,
237648=2013-05-24 07:53:24,0:05:31,0.00743627,9637,1.03,11187257,
237647=2013-05-24 07:47:53,1:48:51,0.00808714,9718,1.03,11187257,
237634=2013-05-24 05:59:02,5:59:04,0.00805881,9854,1.37,11187257,
237593=2013-05-23 23:59:58,2:17:42,0.00833270,9817,1.45,11187257,
237575=2013-05-23 21:34:50,0:07:57,0.02476670,10034,1.38,11187257,
237574=2013-05-23 21:42:16,0:07:26,0.00742560,9665,1.38,11187257,
237573=2013-05-23 21:26:53,0:06:46,0.00705477,9984,1.38,11187257,
237571=2013-05-23 21:20:07,0:28:39,0.00750324,9964,1.38,11187257,
237567=2013-05-23 20:51:28,2:06:53,0.00531363,9869,1.32,11187257,
237559=2013-05-23 18:44:35,1:40:46,0.00840785,9782,1.36,11187257,
237546=2013-05-23 17:03:49,0:12:37,0.00849736,10025,1.22,11187257,
237543=2013-05-23 16:51:12,0:18:22,0.00750947,10025,1.17,11187257,
237541=2013-05-23 16:32:50,0:09:48,0.00772226,9895,1.09,11187257,
237540=2013-05-23 16:23:02,0:37:17,0.00812397,9867,1.09,11187257,
237534=2013-05-23 15:45:45,3:00:18,0.00925976,9716,1.18,11187257,
237517=2013-05-23 12:45:27,0:15:24,0.00806292,9663,1.23,11187257,
237515=2013-05-23 12:30:03,0:41:01,0.00737965,9567,1.18,11187257,
237506=2013-05-23 11:49:02,1:40:20,0.00873779,9401,1.20,11187257,
237495=2013-05-23 10:08:42,0:37:26,0.00868290,9416,1.26,11187257,
237493=2013-05-23 09:31:16,2:23:19,0.00842615,9206,1.35,11187257,
237468=2013-05-23 07:07:57,0:26:47,0.00878185,9515,1.18,11187257,
237463=2013-05-23 06:41:10,0:58:02,0.00763858,9457,1.17,11187257,
237455=2013-05-23 05:43:08,0:12:24,0.00729014,9475,1.06,11187257,
237454=2013-05-23 05:30:44,0:37:06,0.00768914,9348,1.06,11187257,
237447=2013-05-23 04:53:38,3:17:55,0.00802322,8912,1.17,11187257,
237430=2013-05-23 01:35:43,0:04:00,0.00742885,9404,1.06,11187257,
237429=2013-05-23 01:31:43,0:06:52,0.00844826,9387,1.06,11187257,
237427=2013-05-23 01:24:51,0:13:37,0.00872385,9399,1.02,11187257,
237426=2013-05-23 01:11:14,0:25:39,0.00872593,9450,1.00,11187257,
237423=2013-05-23 00:45:35,0:07:22,0.00838761,9474,1.03,11187257,
237422=2013-05-23 00:38:13,4:04:19,0.00840443,9444,1.03,11187257,
237404=2013-05-22 20:33:54,2:16:21,0.00872369,9649,1.03,11187257,
237396=2013-05-22 18:17:33,3:04:10,0.00841272,9377,1.10,11187257,
237373=2013-05-22 15:13:23,0:16:44,0.00714505,9546,1.06,11187257,
237371=2013-05-22 14:56:39,1:26:03,0.00824117,9459,1.07,11187257,
237358=2013-05-22 13:30:36,0:18:05,0.00772997,9566,0.90,11187257,
237355=2013-05-22 13:12:31,1:26:50,0.01115425,9484,0.90,11187257,
237343=2013-05-22 11:45:41,0:09:11,0.00820818,9427,0.90,11187257,
237340=2013-05-22 11:36:30,1:28:06,0.00911549,9351,0.84,11187257,
237331=2013-05-22 10:08:24,0:05:28,0.00823078,9468,0.74,11187257,
237330=2013-05-22 10:02:56,0:45:39,0.00851554,9419,0.74,11187257,
237322=2013-05-22 09:17:17,3:48:29,0.00851632,9354,0.80,11187257,
237296=2013-05-22 05:28:48,1:38:40,0.00833779,9147,0.77,11187257,
237286=2013-05-22 03:50:08,2:18:08,0.02264307,9074,0.77,11187257,
237274=2013-05-22 01:32:00,0:22:36,0.00856823,9147,0.66,11187257,
237270=2013-05-22 01:09:24,0:44:11,0.00845058,9200,0.66,11187257,
237265=2013-05-22 00:25:13,2:00:35,0.00891731,9017,0.65,11187257,

[EDIT] my post is longer than yours Smiley

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May 26, 2013, 11:39:25 PM
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I wonder if the total volume is balanced out across the pool?

i.e. if x people are being underpaid, are y people being overpaid on that block, equal to the full volume of BTC per that block?

Or is there a deficit?
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May 26, 2013, 11:50:21 PM
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I wonder if the total volume is balanced out across the pool?

i.e. if x people are being underpaid, are y people being overpaid on that block, equal to the full volume of BTC per that block?

Or is there a deficit?

Probably more than 30 pages ago did we see these problems happen for some people while others get extra. When the issues were new, some reported getting just dust and someone else chimed in "I guess I got all that lol".  Just last night I saw my estimate go to .22 BTC (it's usually around .0022) but the round had the nerve to continue another hour and I got a normal reward. Maybe this is all an elaborate bonus system  Shocked

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May 26, 2013, 11:59:27 PM
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I wonder if the total volume is balanced out across the pool?

i.e. if x people are being underpaid, are y people being overpaid on that block, equal to the full volume of BTC per that block?

Or is there a deficit?
No it is balanced out. nottm28 is example of this. He got 4 times normal on one of the blocks and it didn't get fixed so my guess is that system didn't detect a mistake. As I was saying. I saw 20% mistake not being fixed so for positive mistake this number must be much higher. But the number of underpaid is bigger then number of overpaid. I newer got overpaid or even see mistake in positive direction so I guess it must be a number of underpaid allot bigger then overpaid or they are always the same peoples.

EDIT: Probably if I would not be afraid that Slush will fixed this I could say to myself that it will balance out. But Slush might came back and start taking care of his pool and if I would be just loosing out till then... Well you get the idea...
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I wonder if the total volume is balanced out across the pool?

i.e. if x people are being underpaid, are y people being overpaid on that block, equal to the full volume of BTC per that block?

Or is there a deficit?
No it is balanced out. nottm28 is example of this. He got 4 times normal on one of the blocks and it didn't get fixed so my guess is that system didn't detect a mistake. As I was saying. I saw 20% mistake not being fixed so for positive mistake this number must be much higher. But the number of underpaid is bigger then number of overpaid. I newer got overpaid or even see mistake in positive direction so I guess it must be a number of underpaid allot bigger then overpaid or they are always the same peoples.

I guess it may is occur by miner, rather than worker - so someone with a larger share rate has a better chance of gaining from the error.
 Thanks for the info.
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May 27, 2013, 12:15:05 AM
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I wonder if the total volume is balanced out across the pool?

i.e. if x people are being underpaid, are y people being overpaid on that block, equal to the full volume of BTC per that block?

Or is there a deficit?
No it is balanced out. nottm28 is example of this. He got 4 times normal on one of the blocks and it didn't get fixed so my guess is that system didn't detect a mistake. As I was saying. I saw 20% mistake not being fixed so for positive mistake this number must be much higher. But the number of underpaid is bigger then number of overpaid. I newer got overpaid or even see mistake in positive direction so I guess it must be a number of underpaid allot bigger then overpaid or they are always the same peoples.

I guess it may is occur by miner, rather than worker - so someone with a larger share rate has a better chance of gaining from the error.
 Thanks for the info.

I have had several blocks where my reward was well under too - but these were prior to java app recording the results so I cannot show. And as 'autonomous42' pointed out when he quoted someone as saying 'lol I got the lot' - that was one of the blocks where my reward was almost zarro. So I think we can assume that for the occasional problem blocks, someone in the pool is benefiting. But I guess it balances out over time...

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May 27, 2013, 12:16:44 AM
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I wonder if the total volume is balanced out across the pool?

i.e. if x people are being underpaid, are y people being overpaid on that block, equal to the full volume of BTC per that block?

Or is there a deficit?
No it is balanced out. nottm28 is example of this. He got 4 times normal on one of the blocks and it didn't get fixed so my guess is that system didn't detect a mistake. As I was saying. I saw 20% mistake not being fixed so for positive mistake this number must be much higher. But the number of underpaid is bigger then number of overpaid. I newer got overpaid or even see mistake in positive direction so I guess it must be a number of underpaid allot bigger then overpaid or they are always the same peoples.

EDIT: Probably if I would not be afraid that Slush will fixed this I could say to myself that it will balance out. But Slush might came back and start taking care of his pool and if I would be just loosing out till then... Well you get the idea...

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May 27, 2013, 12:38:59 AM
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Only once did I show a larger than normal payout...it was about 20 times normal...everyone was claiming the block was off and it was adjusted and my payout went back to normal. Now I had a lot of questionable lower ones that were never adjusted and have had a lot that were adjusted. And had the one that was never posted but Slush made up for on the next one. I guess with so many problems it kind of makes us all look for mistakes even if they are there or not.  I do notice my payouts seem lower when the pool hash rate is higher ?
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May 27, 2013, 12:41:27 AM
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Well, of course, when my ASICs arrive, it will be of a lot more concern to me.

I guess my low hashrate (and - believe it or not - easy going nature) clouds my judgement a bit.

I wonder what is causing the miscalculations?
From what I can see and was reported on forum is the reset of the score. Some workers don't get resetted. And since they have really hi score compeer to the rest of the workers they got a big reword. I have no idea why... But if I have to guess I would say they just send a share when a reset accrued and after the reset system re-entered a previous score. But this is only speculation...
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May 27, 2013, 12:43:48 AM
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I'm happy to post my java code here if others want to see what they 'really' get as time goes by...

[EDIT] you just need to run it on a box that has 24x7 internet access - i.e. one of your mining servers...

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May 27, 2013, 12:44:00 AM
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Only once did I show a larger than normal payout...it was about 20 times normal...everyone was claiming the block was off and it was adjusted and my payout went back to normal. Now I had a lot of questionable lower ones that were never adjusted and have had a lot that were adjusted. And had the one that was never poasted but Slush made up for. I guess with so many problems it kind of makes us all look for mistakes even if they are there or not.  I do notice my payouts seem lower when the pool hash rate is higher ?
Yes payouts are smaller but you get more of them... So it is the same. But if you are looking only last days you need to know that difficulty went up.
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May 27, 2013, 12:52:27 AM
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Using a bit of simple java to read slush's api - I am now storing all results going forward - here's what I have for the last 96 blocks...

Pretty consistent I find... Note the result for 237575 - I don't mind admitting this was way more than expected and others complained about this block.

block=start_time,duration,reward,hashes,luck,difficulty,confirmations
238076=2013-05-26 22:26:09,0:42:39,0.00722143,10284,0.93,12153411,
(...)

[EDIT] my post is longer than yours Smiley

I store stats of blocks found by the pool since the DDoS mid April, and also plot various charts via gnuplot every 6 hours - all automated via cron & a couple of scripts.
I also include the difficulty increase so I can correlate it with the trends in my cumulative reward. But I do not think it would be a bright idea to paste all the data right here Smiley

Using http://pastebin.com/ or similar services for bulk data could help a lot in keeping posts short and to the point.

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May 27, 2013, 12:53:32 AM
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Only once did I show a larger than normal payout...it was about 20 times normal...everyone was claiming the block was off and it was adjusted and my payout went back to normal. Now I had a lot of questionable lower ones that were never adjusted and have had a lot that were adjusted. And had the one that was never poasted but Slush made up for. I guess with so many problems it kind of makes us all look for mistakes even if they are there or not.  I do notice my payouts seem lower when the pool hash rate is higher ?
Yes payouts are smaller but you get more of them... So it is the same. But if you are looking only last days you need to know that difficulty went up.

Yes I seen the difficulty went up and do understand the payouts are smaller and that we should find more with the higher hash rates.... I guess it all seems right .. but I  like when the hash rate drops below 9500GHS as my payout goes up and then hope for those 2 -5 mins blocks!

I am still mining and plan on staying but it does concern me when it took so long to get people to agree that we have a problem as we did last week with all the invailds and to understand when certain block payouts are not  normal at all.
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May 27, 2013, 12:57:50 AM
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[EDIT] my post is longer than yours Smiley

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So are your payouts.

And your hashrate.

I feel so inadequate now Cry

C'mon ASIC's, arrive already XD

[EDIT] This is a humourous post, btw Cheesy
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May 27, 2013, 01:08:02 AM
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[EDIT] my post is longer than yours Smiley

Show off Tongue

So are your payouts.

And your hashrate.

I feel so inadequate now Cry

C'mon ASIC's, arrive already XD

[EDIT] This is a humourous post, btw Cheesy

I get it Smiley

[EDIT] Note also the payouts going down over (a short period of) time - as the difficulty increases and the overall community hash rate increases...

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May 27, 2013, 02:51:05 AM
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With the setup I have, I can have a hot sauna during the day. But seriously it is so hot I have to retreat to my room or down stairs. With the high temperatures around 85-87, I do not know how I am going to mine during deep summer temperature in the 100's...
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May 27, 2013, 07:34:30 AM
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Every single one you (almost), need to rethink how you view bitcoin and your rewards in this pool.  You act as if you do something you deserve, hahaha lol deserve a reward for it.  And then post many inane data filled clusters about that proof, and don't still realize one simple thing.  I can say none of you get it because the increasing page posts about this and that and how mandy shoulda done this and that within roughly the last half of  the totality of the posts on this thread that I've read does not mention this maxim.


If I do A then I will get B, this is what happens at a J.O.B.  If you endeavor into this realm where A does not mean at all then that B proceeds then you will have learned a lot about life.  If you mine and you have introduced to the pool so many hashes this does not mean you will get rewarded what so ever, and if you do it may not be what you expect.  This is understood, and accepted, it might be a hard concept with which to wrap your head around, but that is it.  And if you have made a huge investment in this endeavor then you did so at your own will.  No one, Not Slush Nor you held a gun to your head and said throw away your money, or risk it.  This is your risk, no one else's, your choice.
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May 27, 2013, 08:04:42 AM
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With the setup I have, I can have a hot sauna during the day. But seriously it is so hot I have to retreat to my room or down stairs. With the high temperatures around 85-87, I do not know how I am going to mine during deep summer temperature in the 100's...
Move the computers outside...

Put a fan in the window, and seal-off the AC to that room... (Two fans, one blowing in, one sucking-out... move the computer exhaust right near the one exhausting out the room. To a computer 100F(38c) is nice and cool! Compared to the 176F (80c) of the GPU.)
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