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May 29, 2013, 06:30:53 AM
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Thank`s and respect to Slush and the constructive folk who keep the forum useful!
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May 29, 2013, 06:38:01 AM
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If I have had all my miners hire I would have lost 0.03 BTC...

Are you hiring your miners? ;-)

Quote from: Lucko link=topic=1976.msg2299857#msg2299857
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Pool is good when Slush is hire.

And even hiring Slush??? :-)))))))))))))))
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May 29, 2013, 06:44:13 AM
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The stats page only shows stats for the past 48 hrs or so. Does anyone know how to get stats for a longer period (e.g. last 30 days)?
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May 29, 2013, 06:48:10 AM
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If I have had all my miners hire I would have lost 0.03 BTC...

Are you hiring your miners? ;-)

Quote from: Lucko link=topic=1976.msg2299857#msg2299857
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Pool is good when Slush is hire.

And even hiring Slush??? :-)))))))))))))))


Excellent! You've found an issue in Lucko's English! That's quite an achievement! Are you now happy? Did that help you feel better?

And more importantly - did your post help everyone (or even anyone?) in the forum?

Please - let's stop with the personal stuff. That doesn't help us.
The least helpful thing for us to do would be to start picking on each other. Let's instead get back to mining and helping each other.

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May 29, 2013, 06:51:09 AM
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I just posted a reason what you are having invalid blocks and added that it is relay bed time for Slush to have personal problems(since the problem is well know already).
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Yes, at 11:21:56 PM UTC, i.e. 01:21:56 AM CEST, it was really "bed time" for Slush.
(But it has nothing to do with anything you're writing about.)
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May 29, 2013, 07:24:29 AM
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I just posted a reason what you are having invalid blocks and added that it is relay bed time for Slush to have personal problems(since the problem is well know already).
(...)

Yes, at 11:21:56 PM UTC, i.e. 01:21:56 AM CEST, it was really "bed time" for Slush.
(But it has nothing to do with anything you're writing about.)

Yes as I was totally wrong last time when Slush confirmed all that I was saying about invalid problems. Just one quote from one pool admin so you will feel no need to believe me... He already did patch that Slush did last time we saw him and didn't solved the problem completely...

... What I'm doing is porting the merge mining modifications to the 0.8.2 bitcoin branch. That'll help with the orphans. ....

But I do agree I can't see what is going on at the pool so it is just a informed guess... Can you say the same for your statement?
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May 29, 2013, 07:38:37 AM
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Hy all!

I have a little problem with the pool reward.
On the statistics page in the first row i see this:
#      Block found at      Duration   Total shares    Your shares    Your BTC reward    Block #   Block value      Validity
18271    2013-05-29 06:27:07    1:15:21    11843305       21          0.00000000    238470    25.24835000    91 confirmations left

My question is, why is zero my earning?

(25 BTC + block fees - 2% fee) * (shares found by user's workers) / (total shares in current round)

( (25 + 0,24835) * 0,98 ) * 21 / 11843305 = 0,00004387382095 BTC

What is wrong?Smiley

Thank you very much!

Best regards:
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May 29, 2013, 07:47:33 AM
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Hy all!

I have a little problem with the pool reward.
On the statistics page in the first row i see this:
#      Block found at      Duration   Total shares    Your shares    Your BTC reward    Block #   Block value      Validity
18271    2013-05-29 06:27:07    1:15:21    11843305       21          0.00000000    238470    25.24835000    91 confirmations left

My question is, why is zero my earning?

(25 BTC + block fees - 2% fee) * (shares found by user's workers) / (total shares in current round)

( (25 + 0,24835) * 0,98 ) * 21 / 11843305 = 0,00004387382095 BTC

What is wrong?Smiley

Thank you very much!

Best regards:
-iFA88


21 shares in 1 hour and 15 minutes in very little. First of all your formula is wrong. You should use formula for Slush method. Your shares are converted into score and closer to the end of the round is higher the score for a share. If you are that slow it could happen that you didn't send any shares at the end of a round so your score is so low that you don't get nothing. But if you are faster and you did stop mining all shares were at the start of a round and they have even lower score.
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May 29, 2013, 08:15:54 AM
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OK on that case

amount due for yesterday is 0.0022 * 3 = 0.0066.

Reason? 2 or 3 invalid blocks that are too much not to be a pool error. Let see if you will be truth to your word.

And please do post statistic so I can find more...

EDIT: and my karma is OK. Yesterday we had 200% luck and I got a donation from a user that I helped troubleshot a strange problem... I was sure that will never happend but it did...

2 invalid blocks out of 30 in my statistics page, looks like ok to me. Some bad luck.

And congratulations on the donation.

About being true to my word, I stated that I will send double the loss if I, that is me, misteranf, gets screwed up reward block or a lot of missing shares per round having no miner downtime.
I have never seen that. I guess hundreds(thousands?) of Slush`s pool miners haven`t.
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May 29, 2013, 08:31:16 AM
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2 invalid blocks out of 30 in my statistics page, looks like ok to me. Some bad luck.

And congratulations on the donation.

About being true to my word, I stated that I will send double the loss if I, that is me, misteranf, gets screwed up reward block or a lot of missing shares per round having no miner downtime.
I have never seen that. I guess hundreds(thousands?) of Slush`s pool miners haven`t.


So you are backing out? You will not post statistics and things I can prove without seeing them you are saying that they are not relevant? Your words were: "And if there will be some losses in blocks for me, I promise, i will send you twice the amount. Yes, I`m that confident, that I can triple the amount. Easily."

You had 2 invalid blocks and that is 100% loss on a block. 1 is bed luck 2 is a error and look at other my posts to see explanation why... And for the rest I just have to trust you that you will tell me? Well I never expected that you will pay up... Just show you how stupid you were to promise that.
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May 29, 2013, 08:46:35 AM
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Lost a little on some block a while back, gained some on a block a while back

Worked out exactly where it was supposed to be

Complaining about pennies just so you know they are discontinued (in Canada) Eat my shorts!

I have had nothing but good times on Slush's pool.
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May 29, 2013, 08:52:28 AM
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Hy all!

I have a little problem with the pool reward.
On the statistics page in the first row i see this:
#      Block found at      Duration   Total shares    Your shares    Your BTC reward    Block #   Block value      Validity
18271    2013-05-29 06:27:07    1:15:21    11843305       21          0.00000000    238470    25.24835000    91 confirmations left

My question is, why is zero my earning?

(25 BTC + block fees - 2% fee) * (shares found by user's workers) / (total shares in current round)

( (25 + 0,24835) * 0,98 ) * 21 / 11843305 = 0,00004387382095 BTC

What is wrong?Smiley

Thank you very much!

Best regards:
-iFA88


21 shares in 1 hour and 15 minutes in very little. First of all your formula is wrong. You should use formula for Slush method. Your shares are converted into score and closer to the end of the round is higher the score for a share. If you are that slow it could happen that you didn't send any shares at the end of a round so your score is so low that you don't get nothing. But if you are faster and you did stop mining all shares were at the start of a round and they have even lower score.

I have the last 10 minute connected to the pool, i was offline before.
Where i find the used Slush method? I think i has for this block with 21 shares a little score ^^
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May 29, 2013, 09:12:44 AM
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Hy all!

I have a little problem with the pool reward.
On the statistics page in the first row i see this:
#      Block found at      Duration   Total shares    Your shares    Your BTC reward    Block #   Block value      Validity
18271    2013-05-29 06:27:07    1:15:21    11843305       21          0.00000000    238470    25.24835000    91 confirmations left

My question is, why is zero my earning?

(25 BTC + block fees - 2% fee) * (shares found by user's workers) / (total shares in current round)

( (25 + 0,24835) * 0,98 ) * 21 / 11843305 = 0,00004387382095 BTC

What is wrong?Smiley

Thank you very much!

Best regards:
-iFA88


21 shares in 1 hour and 15 minutes in very little. First of all your formula is wrong. You should use formula for Slush method. Your shares are converted into score and closer to the end of the round is higher the score for a share. If you are that slow it could happen that you didn't send any shares at the end of a round so your score is so low that you don't get nothing. But if you are faster and you did stop mining all shares were at the start of a round and they have even lower score.

I have the last 10 minute connected to the pool, i was offline before.
Where i find the used Slush method? I think i has for this block with 21 shares a little score ^^
Well if you had last 10 minutes connected that is a different story. The calculation you made is too low. It should be more. My estimate is that you should get 20 to 30% normal reword. This is probably mistake in the reword system. Anyone else seeing error on that block?

If not then is not a reword system but stratum. Sometimes it happens that they stop recording shares for up to 15 minuts+ and if you are unlucky enough for block to end you loss all the shares since they are not scored in time. Only Slush can fix this. He told us that he knows about this error but we are still waiting for fix...

For Slush method see: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg50002#msg50002
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May 29, 2013, 09:30:02 AM
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I have the last 10 minute connected to the pool, i was offline before.
Where i find the used Slush method? I think i has for this block with 21 shares a little score ^^
Well if you had last 10 minutes connected that is a different story. The calculation you made is too low. It should be more. My estimate is that you should get 20 to 30% normal reword. This is probably mistake in the reword system. Anyone else seeing error on that block?

If not then is not a reword system but stratum. Sometimes it happens that they stop recording shares for up to 15 minuts+ and if you are unlucky enough for block to end you loss all the shares since they are not scored in time. Only Slush can fix this. He told us that he knows about this error but we are still waiting for fix...

For Slush method see: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg50002#msg50002
Thank you very much, then it was unlucky:)
I use CGminer with stratum protocol for mining.
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May 29, 2013, 10:16:03 AM
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So you are backing out? You will not post statistics and things I can prove without seeing them you are saying that they are not relevant? Your words were: "And if there will be some losses in blocks for me, I promise, i will send you twice the amount. Yes, I`m that confident, that I can triple the amount. Easily."
You had 2 invalid blocks and that is 100% loss on a block. 1 is bed luck 2 is a error and look at other my posts to see explanation why... And for the rest I just have to trust you that you will tell me? Well I never expected that you will pay up... Just show you how stupid you were to promise that.

I wanted to post my statistics page, but did not find a "spoiler" feature to hide this unnecessary blunter from the innocent people.
For the sake of the argument

18273   2013-05-29 09:42:24   1:22:27   13088915   650   0.00114137   238497   25.00450000    97 confirmations left
18272   2013-05-29 08:19:57   1:52:50   17775481   907   0.00113449   238482   25.26010000    82 confirmations left
18271   2013-05-29 06:27:07   1:15:21   11843305   623   0.00137896   238470   25.24835000    70 confirmations left
18270   2013-05-29 05:11:46   0:20:59   3297610   198   0.00163159   238462   25.09089000    62 confirmations left
18269   2013-05-29 04:50:47   4:58:42   46749307   2439   0.00131739   238454   25.22222633    54 confirmations left
18268   2013-05-28 23:52:05   0:13:30   2097464   114   0.00168058   238429   25.28961592    29 confirmations left
18267   2013-05-28 23:38:35   4:44:39   44202313   2227   0.00160378   238427   25.40272048    27 confirmations left
18266   2013-05-28 18:53:56   0:32:25   5058755   277   0.00129519   238395   25.23161000    confirmed
18265   2013-05-28 18:21:31   0:25:48   3987512   204   0.00153504   238391   25.35240000    confirmed
18264   2013-05-28 17:55:43   1:53:07   18039281   934   0.00101019   238386   25.50411000    invalid
18263   2013-05-28 16:02:36   2:15:30   21570361   1072   0.00142417   238376   25.11542000    confirmed
18262   2013-05-28 13:47:06   1:11:20   11408541   613   0.00132520   238357   25.23940002    confirmed
18261   2013-05-28 12:35:46   0:49:15   7822304   395   0.00120932   238346   25.45229566    confirmed
18260   2013-05-28 11:46:31   0:29:31   4675579   268   0.00149572   238338   25.20125000    confirmed
18259   2013-05-28 11:17:00   2:18:20   21656874   1126   0.00129505   238334   25.41659740    confirmed
18258   2013-05-28 08:58:40   1:06:49   10472191   554   0.00114605   238322   25.39736000    confirmed
18257   2013-05-28 07:51:51   1:35:51   14676098   740   0.00116156   238317   25.28751427    confirmed
18256   2013-05-28 06:16:00   5:45:10   53434930   2852   0.00112859   238307   25.60617088    confirmed
18255   2013-05-28 00:30:50   1:04:13   9801284   494   0.00147642   238275   25.07410000    confirmed
18254   2013-05-27 23:26:37   0:43:35   6676254   343   0.00157125   238269   25.15720000    confirmed
18253   2013-05-27 22:43:02   0:20:40   3152543   173   0.00153428   238265   25.25668010    confirmed
18252   2013-05-27 22:22:22   0:26:46   4018390   221   0.00109303   238262   25.32260000    confirmed
18251   2013-05-27 21:55:36   1:34:13   14367591   760   0.00103090   238259   25.24224381    confirmed
18250   2013-05-27 20:21:23   1:19:31   12222170   648   0.00137531   238247   25.36623001    invalid
18249   2013-05-27 19:01:52   0:19:42   3032377   171   0.00136541   238239   25.24435200    confirmed
18248   2013-05-27 18:42:10   2:11:11   19944005   1079   0.00115050   238235   25.12672000    confirmed
18247   2013-05-27 16:30:59   1:16:00   11559547   622   0.00114837   238217   25.72503554    confirmed
18246   2013-05-27 15:14:59   0:55:52   8414593   458   0.00126740   238213   25.40305771    confirmed
18245   2013-05-27 14:19:07   0:22:03   3337326   183   0.00130511   238204   25.03195000    confirmed
18244   2013-05-27 13:57:04   0:46:28   7027691   360   0.00186789   238200   31.85386000    confirmed

...1 is bad luck 2 is an error...
Why not "both = error" then? Cheesy In my book that`s below statistical noise level - just as with pool luck, not measurable in a couple of days.
If we had 3 invalids in a row - that would be more believable to be a pool system issue. But not random 2 out of random 30...

P.S. I apologize to all the readers for the clutter. (maybe there is a spoiler feature I did not notice?)
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May 29, 2013, 10:29:02 AM
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Sorry, but Lucko could be right here - compared to the number of invalids we typically get when all is well, 2 invalids so close together is an alert - especially considering we have a recently known issue here - I just hope we don't see any more...

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May 29, 2013, 10:38:50 AM
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Thank you very much, then it was unlucky:)
I use CGminer with stratum protocol for mining.
From blocks that MisterAnf publish I can tell you that you had a stratum error.
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May 29, 2013, 10:46:43 AM
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Lost a little on some block a while back, gained some on a block a while back

Worked out exactly where it was supposed to be

Complaining about pennies just so you know they are discontinued (in Canada) Eat my shorts!

I have had nothing but good times on Slush's pool.

That's great.  So if your bank randomly starts charging you for purchases you didn't make, but then makes phantom deposits at other random times, you're okay with this as long as it seems like it evens out in the end.  The problem is, how do you know if it's really evening out?  If the accounting algorithm is broken, there is no way to know if someone is skimming off the top or not.  Not saying Slush is doing that at all, but just that it would be impossible to know for sure.  
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May 29, 2013, 10:49:42 AM
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Lost a little on some block a while back, gained some on a block a while back

Worked out exactly where it was supposed to be

Complaining about pennies just so you know they are discontinued (in Canada) Eat my shorts!

I have had nothing but good times on Slush's pool.

That's great.  So if your bank randomly starts charging you for purchases you didn't make, but then makes phantom deposits at other random times, you're okay with this as long as it seems like it evens out in the end.  The problem is, how do you know if it's really evening out?  If the accounting algorithm is broken, there is no way to know if someone is skimming off the top or not.  Not saying Slush is doing that at all, but just that it would be impossible to know for sure.  

Why would it be impossible to know? Everything is on the blockchain and can be reviewed if concerns arise.
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May 29, 2013, 10:53:11 AM
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Lost a little on some block a while back, gained some on a block a while back

Worked out exactly where it was supposed to be

Complaining about pennies just so you know they are discontinued (in Canada) Eat my shorts!

I have had nothing but good times on Slush's pool.

That's great.  So if your bank randomly starts charging you for purchases you didn't make, but then makes phantom deposits at other random times, you're okay with this as long as it seems like it evens out in the end.  The problem is, how do you know if it's really evening out?  If the accounting algorithm is broken, there is no way to know if someone is skimming off the top or not.  Not saying Slush is doing that at all, but just that it would be impossible to know for sure.  

Why would it be impossible to know? Everything is on the blockchain and can be reviewed if concerns arise.

Perusing the last 10-15 pages of this thread, you guys can't even agree on which blocks were missed.  I really doubt someone is going to go through the trouble of a REAL audit when they can simply change pools until all these bugs are fixed.  Those that are content with the bugs won't bother, and those that aren't simply move on.
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