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May 17, 2013, 04:59:17 PM
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Isn't it obvious what is happening? Our share of the Pie is shrinking: http://blockchain.info/pools

As the other pools increase in Hashing power, our Luck will get worse. Blocks will take longer to find. I suspect that the other pools are attracting more ASIC miners that ours. The way i see it, the only way to improve our returns is to increase our mining power.

oh, btw, does anyone know why are hash rate varies from about 9.6 Ths to 10. almost daily? People mining here only part of the day?

Based on statistics I collected, there is a daily, periodic fluctuation - my conclusion is that more than 20% of the miners only mine part of the day. Probably some are running it in the background during working hours (not dedicated mining rigs, but generic workstation with GPU), but the opposite (mining at night) might also make sense based on how they are charged for electricity, especially for dedicated beefy GPU rigs which eat a lot of power. In both cases, this will lead to a repeating pattern in total hashrate fluctuation.

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May 17, 2013, 05:04:07 PM
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Isn't it obvious what is happening? Our share of the Pie is shrinking: http://blockchain.info/pools

As the other pools increase in Hashing power, our Luck will get worse. Blocks will take longer to find. I suspect that the other pools are attracting more ASIC miners that ours. The way i see it, the only way to improve our returns is to increase our mining power.

oh, btw, does anyone know why are hash rate varies from about 9.6 Ths to 10. almost daily? People mining here only part of the day?

Based on statistics I collected, there is a daily, periodic fluctuation - my conclusion is that more than 20% of the miners only mine part of the day. Probably some are running it in the background during working hours (not dedicated mining rigs, but generic workstation with GPU), but the opposite (mining at night) might also make sense based on how they are charged for electricity, especially for dedicated beefy GPU rigs which eat a lot of power. In both cases, this will lead to a repeating pattern in total hashrate fluctuation.

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Thanks, that makes sense. It also would account for funky returns on certain blocks, I think. If people are leaving/returning mid block, then the return on the block for people who were there the whole time might look odd.

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May 17, 2013, 07:40:08 PM
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Round 18077 is going to be invalid. BTCguild actually got it. Invalid blocks are brought about by a pool's bad connection to the network, right?

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May 17, 2013, 07:41:21 PM
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 But no you are what you are and we all know what that is.
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 Somebody else here said that you are an idiot and I agree 100%. If we ignore you long enough maybe you will go away..
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May 17, 2013, 07:51:00 PM
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Round 18077 is going to be invalid. BTCguild actually got it. Invalid blocks are brought about by a pool's bad connection to the network, right?

Unless we also find the next one....
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May 17, 2013, 08:01:19 PM
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There is a problem with the pool and not sure why slush is not here to correct any issues.

What makes you say that? (Besides the chance that you may be Lucko's alter ego  Wink )

Well from 8th of May my daily reward dropped from 0.101 to 0.052 and no I'm not anyones alter ego.

Ahh I see, yeah pool must be broke

So do you think that almost 50% drop for good few days in a row is normal? I know that luck is important, our hashing power is not increasing compare to other pools and we get smaller chunk of the pie, and difficulty is increasing but would that factor for such a difference? I was expecting drop in reward but not so quick and so much.
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May 17, 2013, 08:03:46 PM
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So do you think that almost 50% drop for good few days in a row is normal? I know that luck is important, our hashing power is not increasing compare to other pools and we get smaller chunk of the pie, and difficulty is increasing but would that factor for such a difference? I was expecting drop in reward but not so quick and so much.

Measuring just a few days of earnings is not enough data to make any reasonable conclusions, especially at these difficulty levels and slush's pool speed.  "Luck" takes a significantly longer amount of time to "even out" than what most people think it does.

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May 17, 2013, 08:05:25 PM
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Round 18077 is going to be invalid. BTCguild actually got it. Invalid blocks are brought about by a pool's bad connection to the network, right?
Yes and no. If it is one from time to time no but when you see 3 in 24 hours the answer can only be yes...
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May 17, 2013, 08:07:14 PM
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Yes and 3 others tell him that he is... So I think that answers that.
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May 17, 2013, 08:07:42 PM
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Round 18077 is going to be invalid. BTCguild actually got it. Invalid blocks are brought about by a pool's bad connection to the network, right?

Unless we also find the next one....

which we did not :

http://blockchain.info/block-index/384052/00000000000000b0e621b205fc4513d4bb5c0f396146378245592d33bfa64bb3

Height    236658 (Main Chain)
Timestamp    2013-05-17 19:56:32
Received Time    2013-05-17 19:57:46
Relayed By    82.146.45.247
Difficulty    11,187,257.46136079

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May 17, 2013, 08:09:55 PM
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So do you think that almost 50% drop for good few days in a row is normal? I know that luck is important, our hashing power is not increasing compare to other pools and we get smaller chunk of the pie, and difficulty is increasing but would that factor for such a difference? I was expecting drop in reward but not so quick and so much.

Measuring just a few days of earnings is not enough data to make any reasonable conclusions, especially at these difficulty levels and slush's pool speed.  "Luck" takes a significantly longer amount of time to "even out" than what most people think it does.

One thing is for sure if you have 2-3 times the hashing power it should theoretically blow through the unlucky blocks 2-3 times faster.

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May 17, 2013, 08:10:49 PM
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There is a problem with the pool and not sure why slush is not here to correct any issues.

What makes you say that? (Besides the chance that you may be Lucko's alter ego  Wink )

Well from 8th of May my daily reward dropped from 0.101 to 0.052 and no I'm not anyones alter ego.

Ahh I see, yeah pool must be broke

So do you think that almost 50% drop for good few days in a row is normal? I know that luck is important, our hashing power is not increasing compare to other pools and we get smaller chunk of the pie, and difficulty is increasing but would that factor for such a difference? I was expecting drop in reward but not so quick and so much.
Yes his answer was stupid... I answer you also. Read my. Or you can read eleuthria, but then I have to add that difficulty also increased.
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May 17, 2013, 08:12:56 PM
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Lets say it is connection problem, but even if the pool is directly connected to BTCguild will not have an invalid, as we will simply not have found a block in this case = no end of the round.
Unless the next round is shorter than 30-40min it doesn't matter for the score method if the block is invalid or we just didn't found it at all.

Thanks to ASICminer - BTCguild and Bitminter together are ~50% of the network = if the pool is not connected to them directly, it is not connected to half of the network - yes it is a connection problem (the last 3 invalid blocks where after they have found a block first just a few seconds before us), but not because of the pool connection, but because of ASICminer

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May 17, 2013, 08:15:05 PM
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Lets say it is connection problem, but even if the pool is directly connected to BTCguild will not have an invalid, as we will simply not have found a block in this case = no end of the round.
Unless the next round is shorter than 30-40min it doesn't matter for the score method if the block is invalid or we just didn't found it at all.

Thanks to ASICminer - BTCguild and Bitminter together are ~50% of the network = if the pool is not connected to them directly, it is not connected to half of the network - yes it is a connection problem (the last 3 invalid blocks where after they have found a block first just a few seconds before us), but not because of the pool connection, but because of ASICminer
I'm interested. How do you know it is seconds?
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May 17, 2013, 08:19:34 PM
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I refuse to quote that lucko character any more - I think he just loves the conflict - every time he's quoted he has 5 more idiot things to say.
He says he's left the pool but he insists on posting here to troll slush.
The best thing we can do as a group is to ignore his posts and don't quote him. Eventually he'll get bored and maybe move to the BFL thread where he can troll all he likes.

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May 17, 2013, 08:24:14 PM
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I feel better I've now got cg monitor running on all 3 machines with 3 different pool settings on BTCGuild/Slush

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May 17, 2013, 08:27:50 PM
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I'm interested. How do you know it is seconds?

Simple - comapre https://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/ and http://blockchain.info/ for each of them
Example for round 18050:
 we should have found 236382 if it wasn't invalid at '2013-05-16 00:59:30', but the actual 236382 ( http://blockchain.info/block/000000000000010ff86768774d6c3ea12dbbee106dcfc389e8b7bd3b64e98744 ) was found at '2013-05-16 00:57:38' (timestamp based and received from blockchain at '2013-05-16 00:59:33') from Bitminter and the next one (236383) was also found from Bitminter ... we had no chance to beat that right?

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May 17, 2013, 08:28:39 PM
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I refuse to quote that lucko character any more - I think he just loves the conflict - every time he's quoted he has 5 more idiot things to say.
He says he's left the pool but he insists on posting here to troll slush.
The best thing we can do as a group is to ignore his posts and don't quote him. Eventually he'll get bored and maybe move to the BFL thread where he can troll all he likes.
If you can't look truth in a face they yes I'm trolling. But if you look at my posts. They are fair. If there is a reason and way how something can happen without saying it is pool problem I did. If you can't accept simple facts then I can't help you. When you say you are stupid thinking there is a problem even if you see it this doesn't help and you are making more damage as you think.
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May 17, 2013, 08:40:59 PM
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I'm interested. How do you know it is seconds?

Simple - comapre https://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/ and http://blockchain.info/ for each of them
Example for round 18050:
 we should have found 236382 if it wasn't invalid at '2013-05-16 00:59:30', but the actual 236382 ( http://blockchain.info/block/000000000000010ff86768774d6c3ea12dbbee106dcfc389e8b7bd3b64e98744 ) was found at '2013-05-16 00:57:38' (timestamp based and received from blockchain at '2013-05-16 00:59:33') from Bitminter and the next one (236383) was also found from Bitminter ... we had no chance to beat that right?
OK but if I click on invalid block I get "Block Not Found" so I can't see timestamp to compare them. I'm interested in time when it was send to network not the time it was fond by the pool because nobody is saying the time is synchronised...

EDIT: just figure it out. It took 2 minutes not 2 seconds(if time is synchronised). This is too long not to detect a new block. For blockchain it doesn't matter but for a pool this it too long... If you have cgminer you can see new block detected msg before you see that info on blockchain... Sometime it is a big difference up to a minute or more.

EDIT2: Look at differences in time for last block.

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May 17, 2013, 10:10:34 PM
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I refuse to quote that lucko character any more - I think he just loves the conflict - every time he's quoted he has 5 more idiot things to say.
He says he's left the pool but he insists on posting here to troll slush.
The best thing we can do as a group is to ignore his posts and don't quote him. Eventually he'll get bored and maybe move to the BFL thread where he can troll all he likes.

I think most people know, they humour him.
Surely everyone has noticed it is BTCGuild that he promotes in his signature.
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