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May 13, 2013, 11:09:39 PM
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now at 5.7TH/s
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May 13, 2013, 11:10:52 PM
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He moved that capacity over from asicminer on BTC guild to help them being under 50% of network.  Who is this who mines more than 25% of the entire BTC hash rate?   Why is he having so many ASICs and nobody else can get?

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May 13, 2013, 11:14:38 PM
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He moved that capacity over from asicminer on BTC guild to help them being under 50% of network.  Who is this who mines more than 25% of the entire BTC hash rate?   Why does he have so many ASICs and nobody else can get?

ASICMINER was a publicly funded company.  They developed their own ASIC hardware, and the people who invested in them at the start have already made their money back many times over with the dividends.  That's why they have so many ASICs:  They designed them.

They are now auctioning off hardware in batches as well so that they won't reach 50% as a single entity.  Oddly enough, they had no plans to sell hardware originally, and so far they're the best company to buy from because you'll actually get your product in a reasonable timeframe.

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May 13, 2013, 11:16:26 PM
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why isn't asicminer solo mining? wouldn't think it makes financial sense to mine in a pool, sharing the win with others...

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May 13, 2013, 11:19:05 PM
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I can't see this as being a good thing, having so much mining power coming online from a single source, even if it is 2 or 3 sources that comprise the majority of the hash power, then all I can see happening in the long term is that bitcoin market could be manipulated as they will become the overwhelming share holders in bitcoins and therefore undermine the whole system.
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May 14, 2013, 12:00:17 AM
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Not wanting to be junior poster painful for old geezers, but have been watching miners submit shares just fine for last several hours. 
So asking - do these seem right to others?  Shares were submitted whole time payments are saying none...

18017   2013-05-13 23:32:04   2:23:55   19980979   2239   0.00488603     236074      25.00000000    99 confirmations left
18016   2013-05-13 21:07:59   0:36:09    5009521   none   none               236064      25.21304132    89 confirmations left
18015   2013-05-13 20:31:50   0:10:33    1487486   none   none               236056      25.27437828    81 confirmations left
18014   2013-05-13 20:21:17   2:17:18   19129254   2437   0.00000286     236054      25.72511000    79 confirmations left
18013   2013-05-13 18:03:59   0:26:34    3688700    624    0.00386194     236046      25.38500000    71 confirmations left
18012   2013-05-13 17:37:25   6:28:57   54847545   8699   0.00425076     236042      25.04860000    67 confirmations left

 Huh  Huh

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May 14, 2013, 12:56:52 AM
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Not wanting to be junior poster painful for old geezers, but have been watching miners submit shares just fine for last several hours. 
So asking - do these seem right to others?  Shares were submitted whole time payments are saying none...

18017   2013-05-13 23:32:04   2:23:55   19980979   2239   0.00488603     236074      25.00000000    99 confirmations left
18016   2013-05-13 21:07:59   0:36:09    5009521   none   none               236064      25.21304132    89 confirmations left
18015   2013-05-13 20:31:50   0:10:33    1487486   none   none               236056      25.27437828    81 confirmations left
18014   2013-05-13 20:21:17   2:17:18   19129254   2437   0.00000286     236054      25.72511000    79 confirmations left
18013   2013-05-13 18:03:59   0:26:34    3688700    624    0.00386194     236046      25.38500000    71 confirmations left
18012   2013-05-13 17:37:25   6:28:57   54847545   8699   0.00425076     236042      25.04860000    67 confirmations left

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for 18014 looks like you got screwed as well...oh well better hope the db catches up and gives ya a reward...unless you had a connection failure or something...good luck Smiley

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May 14, 2013, 01:02:15 AM
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I think there are some web servers (there are many) that are down. The load-balancer sometimes sends you to an 'up' web server and sometimes to a 'down' web server. Bit worrying.

[EDIT] Based on my api ticker - it's failing about 25% of the requests - so I reckon 1/4 of the internet facing web servers are not responding.

[EDIT2] I'm still with Slush tho - and mining is unaffected by the internet facing web servers - loyalty counts - have faith

The LB is supposed to detect that and remove it from the farm. Seems that there's no probe activated in the LB.
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May 14, 2013, 01:36:01 AM
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Not wanting to be junior poster painful for old geezers, but have been watching miners submit shares just fine for last several hours. 
So asking - do these seem right to others?  Shares were submitted whole time payments are saying none...

18017   2013-05-13 23:32:04   2:23:55   19980979   2239   0.00488603     236074      25.00000000    99 confirmations left
18016   2013-05-13 21:07:59   0:36:09    5009521   none   none               236064      25.21304132    89 confirmations left
18015   2013-05-13 20:31:50   0:10:33    1487486   none   none               236056      25.27437828    81 confirmations left
18014   2013-05-13 20:21:17   2:17:18   19129254   2437   0.00000286     236054      25.72511000    79 confirmations left
18013   2013-05-13 18:03:59   0:26:34    3688700    624    0.00386194     236046      25.38500000    71 confirmations left
18012   2013-05-13 17:37:25   6:28:57   54847545   8699   0.00425076     236042      25.04860000    67 confirmations left

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for 18014 looks like you got screwed as well...oh well better hope the db catches up and gives ya a reward...unless you had a connection failure or something...good luck Smiley

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It almost looks like you lost connection. Judging by the leftovers of 18014 - looks like it probably happened about 30min before the end. And you stayed disconnected through the next two rounds (which were rather short ones - 10 and 36min) and then reconnected. For at least the last hour of 18017 you did have connection.

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May 14, 2013, 02:36:36 AM
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why isn't asicminer solo mining? wouldn't think it makes financial sense to mine in a pool, sharing the win with others...

Right now bitcoin network difficulty is at around 85 th/s from what I see. Avalon Asic = 66 gh/s or 1/1333 of that. Since 150 bitcoins are released every hour it would take you 9 hours to get 1 bitcoin. Since they are released in blocks of 25, you would need to wait ~9.4 days to get a single block... I would rather be paid regularly. If I had ~10 Asics though I would mine solo.
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May 14, 2013, 02:38:48 AM
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It almost looks like you lost connection. Judging by the leftovers of 18014 - looks like it probably happened about 30min before the end. And you stayed disconnected through the next two rounds (which were rather short ones - 10 and 36min) and then reconnected. For at least the last hour of 18017 you did have connection.

Disconnect?  да что угодно - miners submitted shares whole time.  Меня это не волнует - just curiosity more than another thing.

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May 14, 2013, 02:48:51 AM
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why isn't asicminer solo mining? wouldn't think it makes financial sense to mine in a pool, sharing the win with others...

Right now bitcoin network difficulty is at around 85 th/s from what I see. Avalon Asic = 66 gh/s or 1/1333 of that. Since 150 bitcoins are released every hour it would take you 9 hours to get 1 bitcoin. Since they are released in blocks of 25, you would need to wait ~9.4 days to get a single block... I would rather be paid regularly. If I had ~10 Asics though I would mine solo.

Sorry about this - your new and I hope you don't mind me correcting you:

1. The network hashrate is ~ 85 Thps, not the difficulty (actually, I reckon about 93Thps +/- 5%)
2. Because the network adjusts on a lagged variable, when the network hashrate constantly increases, Difficulty lags and more than 144 blocks per day are solved. Earlier in the year it got up to ~225 blocks per hour for a few days.
3. Calculate your expected income as: ( your hashrate ) / 2^32 / mining difficulty * (number of seconds in the time period over which you're assessing income - must be less than time before the next retarget, 2 weeks at most).

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May 14, 2013, 02:51:59 AM
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It almost looks like you lost connection. Judging by the leftovers of 18014 - looks like it probably happened about 30min before the end. And you stayed disconnected through the next two rounds (which were rather short ones - 10 and 36min) and then reconnected. For at least the last hour of 18017 you did have connection.

Disconnect?  да что угодно - miners submitted shares whole time.  Меня это не волнует - just curiosity more than another thing.

Don't get me wrong - I have no interest in providing you with misleading information (and for the record - neither a good one).

However, I didn't say it just because that's the way I like it - I was merely making an observation based on the facts (the btc awards that you got for each of those rounds).

A few questions for you - how do you know that your miners did actually work?
- did you check your miner for the number of shares submitted?
- did you check the web site for number of shares accepted?
- did the two numbers match? (or not?)
- At what times?
- What makes you think that you did have internet connection during that time? (for example - I have a DOS prompt with a non-stop running ping and 3000 lines buffer - that can tell me if something fishy happened recently; Aside from that several other logs and nagios alerts when things-that-are-not-supposed-to-happen actually do happen - I've caught my internet provider cutting my internet for hours at night when they think nobody will notice)

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May 14, 2013, 03:36:04 AM
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I have a DOS prompt with a non-stop running ping and 3000 lines buffer

Why are you doing that? The site is having enough issues with connectivity.

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May 14, 2013, 03:49:11 AM
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It almost looks like you lost connection. Judging by the leftovers of 18014 - looks like it probably happened about 30min before the end. And you stayed disconnected through the next two rounds (which were rather short ones - 10 and 36min) and then reconnected. For at least the last hour of 18017 you did have connection.

Disconnect?  да что угодно - miners submitted shares whole time.  Меня это не волнует - just curiosity more than another thing.

Don't get me wrong - I have no interest in providing you with misleading information (and for the record - neither a good one).

However, I didn't say it just because that's the way I like it - I was merely making an observation based on the facts (the btc awards that you got for each of those rounds).

A few questions for you - how do you know that your miners did actually work?
- did you check your miner for the number of shares submitted?
- did you check the web site for number of shares accepted?
- did the two numbers match? (or not?)
- At what times?
- What makes you think that you did have internet connection during that time? (for example - I have a DOS prompt with a non-stop running ping and 3000 lines buffer - that can tell me if something fishy happened recently; Aside from that several other logs and nagios alerts when things-that-are-not-supposed-to-happen actually do happen - I've caught my internet provider cutting my internet for hours at night when they think nobody will notice)

Last post of subject because not having friend here anymore with better english to write what I speak making me too much work.  Knowing miners  mining because of watching monitors and seeing cgminer going without errors.  Setting zero on display command when block change and watching accepting blocks count up.  It can be mystery without solution forever from this day to me.  Thank you.

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May 14, 2013, 03:52:05 AM
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I have a DOS prompt with a non-stop running ping and 3000 lines buffer

Why are you doing that? The site is having enough issues with connectivity.

ah ... sorry ... I guess I should've mentioned that I'm pinging google.com (and not slush's site).

Although - the ping is a really insignificant amount of traffic - at 32bytes/sec that's just over 100kb/hr. Just the front page alone with all images is about 150kb, so loading that once an hour would generate more traffic than the ping for an entire hour. Not to mention that the ping request takes almost no CPU effort, causes no load on the web/http server, no load for the database, etc. It probably doesn't even make it to the server - most likely the router/balancer replies.
So - even if someone did ping the site non-stop - the site would likely not even notice it. (and by the way - you can be almost certain that people actually do that)

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It almost looks like you lost connection. Judging by the leftovers of 18014 - looks like it probably happened about 30min before the end. And you stayed disconnected through the next two rounds (which were rather short ones - 10 and 36min) and then reconnected. For at least the last hour of 18017 you did have connection.

Disconnect?  да что угодно - miners submitted shares whole time.  Меня это не волнует - just curiosity more than another thing.
Don't get me wrong - I have no interest in providing you with misleading information (and for the record - neither a good one).
However, I didn't say it just because that's the way I like it - I was merely making an observation based on the facts (the btc awards that you got for each of those rounds).
A few questions for you - how do you know that your miners did actually work?
Knowing miners  mining because of watching monitors and seeing cgminer going without errors.  Setting zero on display command when block change and watching accepting blocks count up.  It can be mystery without solution forever from this day to me.  Thank you.

I don't know cgminer well enough to tell you if "cgminer reporting submitted shares" actually means that the shares did indeed get submitted. Although it probably does.

I was rather trying to hint that it is possible that during this time your miner may have gotten disconnected (without you noticing), then got reconnected and continued to submit shares (at which point you may have seen it working fine). However you wouldn't know about that hour or two when it was trying to reconnect and didn't submit any shares. That's unless you were actually watching cgminer's performance during those two rounds - between 2013-05-13 20:21:17 and 21:07:59 server time.

It is also possible that Amazon's balancer moved the end node to which you were connected, and your computer or router had cached the IP or DNS data, and took some time to learn about the new IP and reconnect. I caught this exact case in the act - see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg2108291#msg2108291 - my miners lost connection and sat idle for a while without me noticing it immediately.

As for if we'll ever know for sure - I think you're right. We may never learn for sure what exactly happened.
We should rather take the lessons learned and start more logging, so that when it happens the next time we have a better idea of what might have gone wrong.

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It almost looks like you lost connection. Judging by the leftovers of 18014 - looks like it probably happened about 30min before the end. And you stayed disconnected through the next two rounds (which were rather short ones - 10 and 36min) and then reconnected. For at least the last hour of 18017 you did have connection.

Disconnect?  да что угодно - miners submitted shares whole time.  Меня это не волнует - just curiosity more than another thing.
Don't get me wrong - I have no interest in providing you with misleading information (and for the record - neither a good one).
However, I didn't say it just because that's the way I like it - I was merely making an observation based on the facts (the btc awards that you got for each of those rounds).
A few questions for you - how do you know that your miners did actually work?
Knowing miners  mining because of watching monitors and seeing cgminer going without errors.  Setting zero on display command when block change and watching accepting blocks count up.  It can be mystery without solution forever from this day to me.  Thank you.

I don't know cgminer well enough to tell you if "cgminer reporting submitted shares" actually means that the shares did indeed get submitted. Although it probably does.

I was rather trying to hint that it is possible that during this time your miner may have gotten disconnected (without you noticing), then got reconnected and continued to submit shares (at which point you may have seen it working fine). However you wouldn't know about that hour or two when it was trying to reconnect and didn't submit any shares. That's unless you were actually watching cgminer's performance during those two rounds - between 2013-05-13 20:21:17 and 21:07:59 server time.

It is also possible that Amazon's balancer moved the end node to which you were connected, and your computer or router had cached the IP or DNS data, and took some time to learn about the new IP and reconnect. I caught this exact case in the act - see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg2108291#msg2108291 - my miners lost connection and sat idle for a while without me noticing it immediately.

As for if we'll ever know for sure - I think you're right. We may never learn for sure what exactly happened.
We should rather take the lessons learned and start more logging, so that when it happens the next time we have a better idea of what might have gone wrong.

I can say I totally believe. I had same problems and given up on the pool. I was looking at logs of cgminer showing noting wrong but shares were missing.

Log looks like that:
 [2013-05-14 08:13:33] Accepted 9c18e33e Diff 1/1 GPU 2 pool 0
 [2013-05-14 08:13:35] Accepted efb855a5 Diff 1/1 GPU 2 pool 0
 [2013-05-14 08:13:36] Accepted 2d4f916a Diff 5/1 GPU 1 pool 0
 [2013-05-14 08:13:37] Accepted 854c4a6c Diff 1/1 GPU 2 pool 0
 [2013-05-14 08:13:40] Accepted 17474462 Diff 10/1 GPU 2 pool 0
 [2013-05-14 08:13:52] Stratum from pool 0 detected new block
 [2013-05-14 08:13:54] Accepted b0de7eea Diff 1/1 GPU 3 pool 0
 [2013-05-14 08:13:55] Accepted 6c49452a Diff 2/1 GPU 0 pool 0
 [2013-05-14 08:13:57] Accepted 6e920082 Diff 2/1 GPU 2 pool 0
 [2013-05-14 08:14:03] Accepted d448d5c4 Diff 1/1 GPU 3 pool 0
 [2013-05-14 08:14:07] Accepted c45369d9 Diff 1/1 GPU 2 pool 0

So seeing
 [2013-05-14 08:13:52] Stratum from pool 0 detected new block
means that you got data about new block and stratum sends data to you.
 [2013-05-14 08:13:55] Accepted 6c49452a Diff 2/1 GPU 0 pool 0
This means that pool accepted the share. It also means that startum is sending you work since you have only about 1 minute buffer.

I had all this in logs so pool did communicate and rsbriggs also saw this on screen. So it is time to accept that pool has issues and there is no Slush to fix them. Now I hope he is only on holidays but I'm afraid for some time that that is not the case and that something happen to him.

EDIT: I didn't have any disconnections like you. Just missing shares

EDIT2: Interesting thing. We had 5 minutes downtime with my primary pool. One miner jumped to Slush the other detected it as not working and didn't connect to stratum, stratum2, stratum3 or api and concted to my old backup pool. They are on same line with same network settings and it happened in about the same time that rsbriggs reports the problem. Guess load balancers???
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May 14, 2013, 07:12:48 AM
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I can say I totally believe. I had same problems and given up on the pool. I was looking at logs of cgminer showing noting wrong but shares were missing.

Log looks like that:
 [2013-05-14 08:13:33] Accepted 9c18e33e Diff 1/1 GPU 2 pool 0
 [2013-05-14 08:13:35] Accepted efb855a5 Diff 1/1 GPU 2 pool 0
 [2013-05-14 08:13:36] Accepted 2d4f916a Diff 5/1 GPU 1 pool 0
 [2013-05-14 08:13:37] Accepted 854c4a6c Diff 1/1 GPU 2 pool 0
 [2013-05-14 08:13:40] Accepted 17474462 Diff 10/1 GPU 2 pool 0
 [2013-05-14 08:13:52] Stratum from pool 0 detected new block
Just to be clear, when you see "Accepted" or "Rejected" on cgminer, it is not cgminer submitting it but after that when it gets the pool's response, so the pool has received and acknowledged your share has been submitted.

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C:\Users\Rachael>ping stratum.bitcoin.cz
Pinging stratum.bitcoin.cz [54.225.116.221] with 32 bytes of data:
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 54.225.116.221:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),


Surely this is your issue as was posted earlier!
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